Kohle: if you like this tone something is wrong with you. Black Metal Guitarist: slowly walks away...

@havokca

3 жыл бұрын

I usually have a hard time hearing tonal differences of a distorted signal... but jumping back and forth between the first time Kohle played each cab.... yeah, the Marshall is super fizzy by comparison.

@Timetofly8888

3 жыл бұрын

mate, sooo true. Some mid 90's Black metal bands, I'm sure they literally tried to make a Metal Zone pedal sound as shit as possible, which isn't hard at all if you have zero ideas how to use a semi-parametric eq while thinking "nailed it!" all at the same time!

Dude the 75 watt marshall speaker just nails that early meshuggah tone. It's just so perfect. Honestly, I love those speakers.

@patjustice1203

3 жыл бұрын

I do too man. I don't understand the hate behind them.

@brendonriley

3 жыл бұрын

Same here. I’ve used my JCM900 Marshall 4x12 with the original GT12-75’s in since 1998 live, and it’s so, so good. I do, however, slightly prefer the tone of the V30 for studio application. Have you seen this guys 75 speaker vid where he ‘conquers’ it with mic’ing it up? It’s awesome.

@countk1

3 жыл бұрын

Agree. I guess it depends with what speakers you grew up with?

@snapascrew

2 жыл бұрын

@@brendonriley I believe that head was voiced with that cab in mind so nothing shocking there

@brendonriley

2 жыл бұрын

@@snapascrew I don’t use the 900 head. I’ve used a whole bunch of heads with it, but not a JCM900 head 😉

My experience of mixing bands live with Marshall Vs Mesa, is that Marshalls don't sound as pleasant, but are easier to sit in the mix. The extended top end of the Mesa gets in the way of everything else very easily. While the gnarly mids of the Marshall allowed me to sit the guitar back a little and still hear bucket loads of attitude. The cabs that really blew me away for metal were Engle. They sound massive but play nicely with the drums.

@jmluna86jl

3 жыл бұрын

thats some good info man! i've been looking into a new cab

@impo64

3 жыл бұрын

I pretty much agree with you dead on. Mesa cabs never worked for me in the mix and I stuck with Marshall 4x12 for years until I heard an Engl, it's like a Marshall but just a bit better.

@tonedowne

3 жыл бұрын

@@impo64 Yeah, Engle have that extended frequency range for lower tunings, but still have the gnarly mids like a Marshall.

@chrismonaut

3 жыл бұрын

Engl v30 cabs sit SO WELL in a metal mix. I play mine live and for rehearsals and I think it's perfect for that. Leaves enough space in the low end, gnarly mids...

@Timetofly8888

3 жыл бұрын

yeah for me over the years, i always tend to have more issues with guys and girls using Mesa cabs that want to be the bass player as well in their tone and have little idea about sculpting a tone that fits in even before the Bass player arrives by either cranking the fuck out of the low end and/or removing all the mids and turning it up louder for that "..and justice" type tone. I typically try and have a wee conversation about rolling off a little of the lows and putting a bit of the mids back in at the source so I have a better chance at gett them to fit nicely out front. Most of the time they ignore me, so my little friend Mr High Pass comes in handy and 1176 compression (which I typically hate using on heavily distorted Electric guitars as it's really not necessary, it's already compressed, that's the point! I also will swap the mic from a typical 57 to a large-diaphragm condenser like an AT4050 or similar as well, which really helps. I really don't like having to mess with guitar tones too much as really all I'm doing is trying to polish their ignorant turd where possible.

Kristian always delivers the best content!! I have both cabinets!! I love my Marshall, which has original 30 watt Celestions! (before they were called Vintage, so they are actually proper Vintage! Haha)

@KohleAudioKult

3 жыл бұрын

So there's even another one? Damn! Time for another video.

@Producelikeapro

3 жыл бұрын

@Frank Lee thanks my friend!

@Producelikeapro

3 жыл бұрын

@@KohleAudioKult haha yes, I was telling you about this cabinet! It was Vivian Campbell's! We created an IR of it which is amazing!

@KohleAudioKult

3 жыл бұрын

@@Producelikeapro Looks like I need that IR! In case you forgot that cab in the UK, I can pick it up for you, haha!

@Producelikeapro

3 жыл бұрын

@@KohleAudioKult hmmm...it's here, in Lalaland!

The marshall with the mesa speaker was actually my favorite sound from the video! Its GREAT!

JCM2000s are such underrated amps for metal.

@KohleAudioKult

3 жыл бұрын

I just had my rebirth too!

@AndreiGrozea

3 жыл бұрын

@@barryenright2320 green channel is supposed to be some sort of a JCM800 flavour iirc. Absolte favorite amp

@jean-philippemorin1176

3 жыл бұрын

The more classic channel sounds really nice.

@KohleAudioKult

3 жыл бұрын

@@barryenright2320 What's wrong with the TSL?

@andresilvasophisma

3 жыл бұрын

So are the VS 8100

Subscribed to the newsletter. I loved the sound of both cabs. Probably sounds really nice when combined in a mix. Your 'Why you hate your guitar tone' video for URM Academy was really useful to me. Keep up the good work. 👍

This is easily becoming one of my favorite channels! And what about that riff, so good!

So scientific; so German. I love it.

The best sounding 1960 cabs are loaded with G12M Greenbacks IMO. I also dig the G12T75's in an X pattern with V30's. You should do a video with one of those setups.

@in.der.welt.sein.

3 жыл бұрын

The g12t75's and v30s in an x pattern is what came in the mesa cab I have. Really nice combo.

Thanks so much for this test. I never thought two 4x12 cabs sounds SO different with the same speaker.

Honestly, there was never a mailing list I was excited to subscribe to. Well done, man. Can't wait for the courses and everything else, I want to learn!

@KohleAudioKult

3 жыл бұрын

Welcome!

Hey i was way stoked to check out this new vid of yours. I love hearing the difference in cab tone in controlled tests. Very comprehensive. I was also very happy that you said, " a matter of taste" at the latter stage of your vid. Because different tests will always yield a different result and hence a different flavor. Thank you!

@KohleAudioKult

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks man! One of my my driving forces is: "my taste is not yours". I always try to understand the good and bad sides of every tone. No matter if I personally like them or not.

I like the G12t-75 speakers a lot. Actually switched from long term use if V30s(normal ones not the Mesa ones). They are much different sounding and require you to dial them in much differently than V30s, but when done well I quite like them.

That RIFF though.... through the mesashall cabinet, that's all kinds of old-school, like candlelight-era Opeth or at least that harmonic richness and sonic complexity.

@KohleAudioKult

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Love their Candlelight albums!

That’s a really interesting conclusion! The speaker is more important than the cabinet itself! Great video, as always! I just subscribed to the mailing list! ;) I’d love to have that IR! Greetings from Colombia!

So in the final test, the Marshall has more bite in the top end, but the mesa sounds more well rounded. Both sound absolutely awesome though. I’d go for the mesa myself though.

JCM2000 with the Mesa speaker in Marshall cab was surprisingly satisfying and awesome

Really well executed and entertaining tests as usual. Keep it up!

Interesting, usually it's impossible to tell sound demo differences on you tube but with this demo it was distinctly different. The mesa had more note definition, tight, punchy, not harsh at all and balanced beautifully. The difference is just wow!

"it sounds honky and scooped at the same time somehow" I laughed out loud!

The Marshall with the Boogie speaker sounded badass, I'd love to have an IR of that sound

@hungnose666

2 жыл бұрын

Fortin nameless suite

Long time wanted to make that test with same speaker in different cabs... Thank you for saving my time! ))

This was a huge surprise and great to learn! Thanks for making this!

Great video man! The OS Rec 4x12 is probably one of my most used cabs for sure!

@KohleAudioKult

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely Alex! The Mesa cab is a legend

Nice demo mate. I loved the sound of the Mesa V30 in the Marshall cab. \m/

I'm pretty surprised as well, thanks for the video Köhli!

I liked the Marshall cab with it's pre-loaded speakers too.

Definitely keen to hear what they might sound like blended together too :3

Great scheiBe Kohle! You just can't beat the recto, it delivers every single time.

The more informative and honest channel in this web!!! thank you!!!

Many years I have been a Mesa 412 oversize cabs from 1996. A couple years ago I bought a jcm900B cabinet from 96 and a 1960 Lead A cab from 2009. I installed two of the UK G12T75's from the B cab into the A cab, pulled the Chinese ones out and installed two V30 speakers in each with the UK G12T75's. My a/b'd them against my Mesa Cabs. From heavy metal, down tuned madness to cleans and all in between. I kept the Marshalls and after all those years I sold the Mesas. My rig was perfect with these cabs and those speakers. Everyone that listened to them back to back agreed. I do love the way the Mesa Cabs look but tonally with my rig, these Marshalls kill. I have a third cab in the mix now that is also a Marshall recovered. I run everything in a dual mono setup that is basically wet and dry. I can actually say I'm 100% satisfied and loving my tone for the last 2 years solid straight.

That scooped voicing on the JCM 2000 with the Mesa V30 in the Marshall cab is perfect for that oldschool thrash sound!

@KohleAudioKult

3 жыл бұрын

It has a certain early 90s vibe. That's how I felt about it.

@bestevaer1977

3 жыл бұрын

Subscribed - How much impact on the sound would the interaction between the speakers have? Swapping out all 4 speakers from the Mesa to the Marshall cab would give you that answer 🙃 i love the Mesa cabs. Most of the tones i make start with Ownhammer IR’s from Mesa or an Orange ppc 412 with V30’s.

I was suprised how Marshal cab sounds with MB speakers. I might getting one in near future :)

Appreciate your unbiased demo's, you never disappoint sir

Damn man, you knocked this video and the riffs out of the park!!!! Really taking it to the next level... unreal video

i brought an old JCM900 cab, threw in some WGS vet30's & Invaders in an X pattern...unreal sound...& my fav cab has always been the Mesa...looks like the quality of the Mesa V30's over the rest makes a huge difference too...excellent education once again, thanks!

@KohleAudioKult

3 жыл бұрын

Gonna show the Vet30s in a video soon. stay tuned!

@bradhill935

3 жыл бұрын

@@KohleAudioKult awesum! look forward to it

I am shocked with how good your results are haha. Thanks for doing this Kristian! Could we get something like this with the Orange 4x12 vs the Mesa OS 4x12 ? Perhaps an anatomy video of the cabs?

@KohleAudioKult

3 жыл бұрын

I just don't have an Orange cab here. I remember them to sound a little dark and boxy though.

That Marshall with Mesa speaker sounded surprisingly good. I wasn't expecting that V30 would be made differently for different cabs. I thought that they would sound closer to each other.

I love your videos! always learning something.

Honestly, I was not expecting the UK V30 to sound that much better. Makes you wonder what's different in the manufacturing that leads to such a different result with something that's supposed to be the same speaker.

@silverjaw138

3 ай бұрын

I think they are wired heavier (wattage) than they state. It would help explain how they have a different eq curve and they seem to take abuse better. Just my theory

IRs?! Gotta catch them all! :D "One never has enough IRs!"

My opinion just came along your channel I'm playing for 7 years now and you allready teached a lot of stuff to me about amps and cabs! Best guitar channel on KZread!! Greetings from Rotterdam 😀🤟🏻🤟🏻

@KohleAudioKult

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks man! Spread the word! 🍺❤️

What a great explanation and exercice! Good work on the video production too! Cheers

fantastisches Video, wie immer.

I think they all have their place in a mix, depending on what you are after. I personally have always preferred the Marshall sound & never really taken to the Mesa sound. However, I do agree the 75s in the Marshall suck & am looking at changing mine out for a selection of the speakers you highlighted in your video comparing various models. Cracking video dude!!!

HOLY SHIT! I have recently been thinking about selling my 1960AV due to it sounds the way it the way it does. NEW SPEAKERS IT IS! Tack så mycket Kristian, din hemliga beundrare från Norge Hans Peter

@KohleAudioKult

3 жыл бұрын

Är det du igen, haha! Tack!

Best cabinet I've ever had for metal was a Marshall Vintage Modern slant with greenbacks. Sounded absolutely righteous with my JCM800 and ESP Eclipse with EMGs. I played hardcore and metalcore with that setup and it worked great for my needs.

You saved me from wasting money on a 1960A. This is my 1st time seeing you. You just casually explained everything ever to me in 10 minutes with the best comparison video in KZread history. Subscribed.

@KohleAudioKult

2 жыл бұрын

You’re welcome! Spread the word! 🍺❤️

very interesting video, Already knew the mesa speakers are different after owning both cabs (mesa oversized and marshall 1960BV and AV, but not that the difference is this big. I wonder how the cheap harley benton cabs with V30's compare.

I love so much you have your own channel now. MAN so funny though I was reacting along with this demonstration, been playing Marshall forever but this blew me away when you got that tone through it. I'll definitely keep my cab and re speaker it in the future. Fuckin awesome thanks for doing this pimp. Having so much fun with you as a mentor

@KohleAudioKult

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks man! check out my new video about thre DV-77 speaker. Will blow your mind!

@steveiak9970

3 жыл бұрын

@@KohleAudioKult HA, I literally just got it! About to jam it but saw you responded and I gotta say all the content is SUPERB and all the commentary with the other producers pops. I'm getting better results now because of you guys. It's immeasurable how much I appreciate what you and your team are doing. I'm very thankful for this Life changing knowledge, I hope you to see more abundance in all aspects of your life \m/

Thanks for this kind of tests !

Still waiting for that Hesu Demon Speaker to make an appearance in one of your speaker related clips. Thomann stocks Hesu stuff now, just in case... :) But cheers again for this one - very nicely done and finally some actual evidence regarding the whole "mesa-voiced V30" myth. Never had I expected the difference to be THAT noticeable.

@KohleAudioKult

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! I should get in touch with Hesu. I still have enough untested speakers here though

Amazing video! I had always suspected those Mesa UK V30s were the king of the V30s you can buy today. This makes me feel good about when I ordered a genuine UK V30 direct from Mesa recently to replace a standard Chinese V30 in a 1x12 I have. And wow, fascinating results here too swapping the Mesa speaker into a 1960. Cheers

@KohleAudioKult

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks man! You had the right instinct!

@bojangles4704

3 жыл бұрын

wait, you can order just the speaker from boogie?

@metal571

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed you can order one directly using their website, which is what I did. Although now that I've read up even further, the T4335B is what you'll get now (the one I have), but the older standard T4335 is the loved one. Sigh. There are too many!! I wonder which specific variant Kristian has in his cab there

@marcelopm3

Жыл бұрын

@@metal571 2002 T4335. Watch his video with Nolly

Awesome comparison 🤘🏻 I definitely like bands that are trying new gear and combinations to give themselves a unique sound/tone as well.

I just sold my sold... So far it feels awesome! Great knowledge over here, danke schön!

The speakers in the Mesa sound more like my WGS Veteran 30 than the Celestion V30 I had before. The V30s from the Marshall cab sound exactly like I remember V30s to sound like most of the time.

@KohleAudioKult

3 жыл бұрын

I’m gonna test the Vet30 soon!

Subscribed. I would love to have heard a third option, the difference between the Standard size Mesa against the Marshall and the OS Mesa. I always find myself gravitating towards the standard size Mesa more and I think it has some of the properties that made the Marshall sound great.

@chrish8553

3 жыл бұрын

Yes +1

Very insightful experiment. Subscribed to the email list. Looking forward to more vids from this channel too, now that you're only making vids for this one.

Never miss yer Vids!! Thanks!!

2:04 that was riff was awesome

@KohleAudioKult

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! But this was just some spontaneous riffing this morning!

I thought it would be closer in the mix... to my ear it's where the Mesa really proved itself. Great video again and as always! Oh, and btw, what about differences between a straight and angled cab? ❤️

the 2 cabs at the end actually sound like they would blend brilliantly on a double tracking or 2 panned guitars

Good video, Kohle! I'm signed up for the list! Thanks for this and all the URM stuff you've done!

When I heard the LP scratch I thought I was gonna hear "Fast as a Shark"!!

Marshall kinda has a juicy, more vocal sound. Mesa sounds more direct, roaring, and open.

Your videos are fantastic! Keep up the nice work! Thank you :)

Man, you're an inspiration (and an expense!!! Now I'm looking online for speakers!). I humbly thank YOU!

I own the Marshall Silver jubilee Cab. It has the V30's made in england, rumors say they are the exact same as in the Mesa Cabs. Now when I compare your Marshall V30's to mine, they sounds pretty different (I like mine a lot more), I think the rumors might be right. I'd really like to compare the IR of your Marshall with my Marshall Cab! PS: Richtig geiles Video, Experimente mit solcher Hingabe und Genauigkeit würde ich gerne mehr sehen! +1Abo

@nothingEvil101

3 жыл бұрын

Silver Jubilee rules!

I use a JCM2000DSL 😁 and have always thought it was a great amp. Been using it for 15 years. I also have a 1960A with stock speakers. I like them but now I don't know what to think 😵

@KohleAudioKult

3 жыл бұрын

Haha! Sorry!

Nicely done! Definitely joining the mailing list. Cheers

I love the way my Blackstar Series One Pro 4x12(a) cabinet sounds with their custom-voiced Celstion Vintage 30's. It has a great sound. Lots of depth. Lots of bass. Lots of everything. I would love to see yall compare one of these to the Mesa and Marshall 1960 and other cabs with V30's in them. 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻

Kohle is king

@JeremiahKane

3 жыл бұрын

Always has been!

@KohleAudioKult

3 жыл бұрын

Haha! Trying hard. Long way to go still!

@Producelikeapro

3 жыл бұрын

He’s pretty awesome! Just don’t let him know! Might go to his head!

@De50lat0r

3 жыл бұрын

Köhlnig?

Great video, but there's one thing you were kinda unclear about. Do the G12T-75 suck or not?

@KohleAudioKult

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaaa!

@joristimmermans5058

3 жыл бұрын

It's clear that that's just a matter of taste. As in, if you like the G12T-75, you have no taste.

@lovecraftmusic8717

3 жыл бұрын

@@joristimmermans5058 yah, tell that to Jeff Waters who recorded almost all his album with those, until Carnival for sure. Does he have a bad tone? I find he has one of the most awesome tones ever heard. Stop living of stereotypes

@johnk9762

3 жыл бұрын

Not.

@Nghilifa

3 жыл бұрын

@@lovecraftmusic8717 The G12T75 made in the 80s are not anything like the ones produced today. The old ones were more akin to Greenbacks on Steroids, the ones we have today are nothing like that.

Love your videos man. Keep on rocking

Nice content one more time ! Learning a lot from here

Once you switched the speakers on the Marshall, I really liked it! Just a different character. Awesome video as always!

Wow..the Mesa kicks the Marshall, yet when you transplanted the speakers from the Mesa it brought it to life. Have you ever mic’d up each individual speaker of a 4x12?

@KohleAudioKult

3 жыл бұрын

I do that every time before recording a 4x12.

@thephoenixcycle8854

2 жыл бұрын

How different are each speaker generally?

I'd be lost without your videos. Thanx!!!

Hello! The Marshall cab is a JCM900 1960B lead? can you tell me what is written in the golden plate at the left bottom corner of the cab?

The JCM2000 boosted with a Metal Zone is death metal heaven. Great video as always Kohle!

the marshall 19060 with t75s is the sound of every deftones record, most meshuggah records, smashing pumpkins, early machine head, and dead heart in a dead world from nevermore . have a more open mind with those speakers

@koffieverslaafde627

3 жыл бұрын

They have their place imo, but the don’t sound ‘good’. They’re raw af though

Great video! As always. :)

Are the speakers the same distance from the front of the grill cloth in both cabs?

I love the Marshall better. I am kind of tired to hear every album that comes out, sound the same year after year. It’s nice to try different things.

@KohleAudioKult

3 жыл бұрын

Stay tuned for more "different things"

Kohle... My first reaction was: there's nothing wrong with Marshall original tone.... If I was in the studio with you and offered both I would probably go for that one.... A bit more bite.... Then I listened the two cabs in the mix and I by far preferred the Mesa as I thought I was more "present" where it actually matters... Am I the only one...?

Brilliant video man, thankyou!

Love these videos!!

The Mesa sounds like it has a blanket thrown over it.

Great stuff, dude! Of course, the ENGL cab is far superior to the Mesa ;) ... and so is the Laney! :p

@Producelikeapro

3 жыл бұрын

Haha got to LOVE both the ENGL (German...Kristian?) and Laney (English...me? Ha)! I do have a soft spot (heavy?) for the Mesa!

@KohleAudioKult

3 жыл бұрын

Haha! I remember the Engl cab to sound a kinda thin. The oversized Engl was the only one that worked for me. But that was more than 10 years ago, maybe I should compare it in another video!

@KohleAudioKult

3 жыл бұрын

Haha, right! I have never tried a Laney cab. Perhaps I should do that as well.

@joshuamunson5841

3 жыл бұрын

I just couldn't get on board with the Laney cab. I use a Harley Benson v30s with my Laney head.

@fredriksvard2603

3 жыл бұрын

Lol laney

The guitar face melting at the beginning of this video is wicked!

Love both. Have a Mesa Boogie Rectifier slant 4x12 and love it. My main cab. But I also have a beat up mid 80s Marshall JCM 800 cab with some old vintage 30s that sounds amazing as well. But they are quite different. They both do things for different styles of playing that make them great imo.

I think the Orange 4x12 buries both of these... Voice of the World speakers.

@MaestroJericho

3 жыл бұрын

I feel like these are industry standards but there's nicer stuff. Like the Orange(US made)/Bogner/Friedman/whoever makes Victory cabs all felt nicer than Marshall or Mesa cabs. The Friedman and Bogner are both made in LA too so I don't know if it's the same builder. The grill on my Friedman head is the same as the grill on my Bogner if that means anything.

Marshall sounds horrible! but Idk why I like it for thrash metal hehehe

Great comparison and great tone Kohle!

Great vid as always!

That was surprising in a great way. You've earned my soul, er... Subscription.

the riff at 10:19 sounds so familiar but I can't remember the name of the song. Anyone knows where it's from?

I have a JCM2000 and looove it. Those riffs were freakin fantastic!

you the man. thanks for all the hard work!