Just to be CLEAR... This video was only intended to show how much brighter a non orange cab is in comparison running the SAME speakers with the same EQ dialed in. I wasn't aiming to dial in the HB cab to sound good... Just showing that you have to max out the settings to get a decent amount of brightness with this orange combination while only needing to dial in modestly to get the same brightness on the HB. Sounds horrible when you max it out on the HB as it should...

@matthewfoster2684

Жыл бұрын

I do agree but it still sounds awesome. 😂

To be honest, in this recording, I liked the Orange cabinet better. It didn't sound muddy at all; it's got a more smooth top end, yet it sounds more aggressive with excellent note separation. It's just more well-balanced overall. Whereas Harley Benton is too fizzy.

@KaddysJamKave

Жыл бұрын

Yeah fair enough... I do like a brighter tone though myself... Although I admit it might of been a bit TOO bright here. I was just showing how big of a difference the 2 are at the same settings.

Honestly the sound of the orange cab with treble at 3oclock was absolutely glorious

I love how the comments are all, "I loved the Orange cab." Haha. You really can't go wrong with any Orange product.

I'm for the Orange Cab. However, it makes sense this dude would hate the Orange considering how many Pantera posters are on his wall.

@ScottDreyfus

Жыл бұрын

You’d think he’d love a Randall

@jmasson3272

11 ай бұрын

😂 dumbest comment. He's totally right.

@rexnhogz

9 ай бұрын

Hey now 😂

@MRJuiceB0xxx-yc6rc

7 ай бұрын

I'm an AT the gates and DEATH guy I play a super crush 100 threw a marshall origins 2x12 with a beringer destortion wow you would be surprised it sounds sick and loud

Same here. I own a PPC112 and personally I prefer the way it sounds when it’s open. At least to me, sounds better as an open cab. It sounds less ‘covered’.

I’m glad I watched this because I wasn’t even thinking about the grill cloth. I did try out one of their V30 2X12 cabs and a Guitar Center once and I thought that it sounded good so now I want to go back and try it again but look at the amp settings. Awesome honest review!

@chadwickwright2833

6 ай бұрын

Dude, his amp sucks. It’s not the cab.

I absolutely agree. Orange cabs sound kind of muffled. They look awesome, though haha

Thanks for this !!! What u think of the Marshall 1960B cab ??? I got a JVM410 and a bunch of 2x12 cabs with V30s …. Part me of me wants a Marshall cab just not sure if I’d like it ? Alexi had one for years

@KaddysJamKave

20 күн бұрын

Never had one mate so I'm not too sure...

I agree with you here. I have the PPC 112 and the PPC 212 they’re very dark cabinets. The high-end is absolutely muffled some people like closed back cabinets, orange lakes, closed front cabinets.

10 band EQ 18 volt MXR in the EFFECT LOOP brightens it up.

I suspect part of the reason is that th HB uses 16 ohm v30 while the Orange uses 8 ohms V30. 16 ohm speakers are brighter. I have my rockerverb paired with a 2x12 cabs that has 8 ohm v30 and it’s dark as hell. But the Mesa you’re talking about should have 8ohm speakers too… so I’m confused. Maybe it’s a combination of all the factors, wood, grill cloth and 8 ohm speakers… Anyway, with my setup I have to keep the treble very high and I don’t really like doing that.

I have a rocker terror 15. Its almost too thick on its own. I definitely have to eg it to tame that a bit and thats through a diy cab.

You have given me something to think/consider. I kind of like the smoother/darker orange cab. For what it’s worth I like Doom and stoner metal , treble makes my brain hurt. Greetings from Canada!

@HypnoticPattern

Жыл бұрын

same. treble is the enemy. i want to feel my music rattling my neurons loose.

@djmcgil8137

Жыл бұрын

@@HypnoticPattern YES, well said!!

I totally agree. I own an Orange Jim Root 212 cab and a TH30 and OR15 amps, and they get super muddy together. I like that tone with the right guitar and chords, but it's not a versatile cab. I also have a Soldano and Victory 2x12 cabs with Celestion Vintage 30, and they're amazing! Fill the rest of the tones I want, but can't give me the heavy muddy Orange tone. So I have to say it's a matter of taste and music styles

Both sounded really balanced and I don't think neither enhanced or killed any frequency in mega significant way. When it comes to taste I would pick the orange though. I really don't like excessive high end.

I have the SC100 combo...luckily the front grill comes off easily...its only affixed by velcro....so for mic'ing purposes this is resolved.

maybe it's cause i'm more on the producer end of the spectrum (guitar is still my main instrument but i dabble in everything), but imo guitars main real estate should be in the 200hz-5.5k region, which is pretty much all mids. having ACTUAL low end or high end in a guitar tone will not make it sound louder or cut through a mix, it will just eat up headroom that other instruments need. ofcourse this line of thinking goes out the window for people just playing by themselves in their room or w/e, just another perspective

Love this video! I have a Th30112c on top of a ppc212v and this muddy shit is exactly why I'm on YT right now looking for solutions.

@Chris-ob6es

Жыл бұрын

I have this same cab, the PPC212V has Creambacks with a Neodymium magenet (Neo Creamback), these do NOT have V30s. Totally different speaker!

@WilliamZuest

Жыл бұрын

@Chris where did I say that it is loaded with V30s? I didn't. I know it's loaded with Neo Creams, that's why I put a Neo Cream in the TH30c as well. The cab is still muddy because it's an open back with that Orange grill, which is way too thick. Your comment was absolutely pointless.

My opinion is the same. I have an engl 212 and two marshall 412s. I cant wait the SuperCrush to arrive.

lmao the Orange cab sounded way better

@KaddysJamKave

Жыл бұрын

As mentioned in the video... It's just a comparison of how much the orange cab sucks tone. I didn't dial it in to sound good on the HB. In real life it virtually has no bass and treble has to be maxed out to sound decent with this amp and cab combination.

@DavidAllenMD

Жыл бұрын

​@@KaddysJamKave all arrange heads seem to have weak bass

I’m honestly glad to see this video.. I bought the orange super crush 100 head, and the orange pro 412 cabinet. Once it came in, hooked everything up, and in my opinion, God it sounded horrible.. so I’m guessing replacing the front cloth is the way to go?

@LiamDarden

Жыл бұрын

Funny you say this. I'm having the same problem right now but I'm changing the speakers out for some creambacks to see if I like them better than the VOTW that come stock with the crush cab. Hopefully it helps since speakers play a big role

@KaddysJamKave

Жыл бұрын

@mastencarr798 In your case doesn't the pro 4x12 you bought come with weird ass speakers? Voice of the world I think it's called. I have no idea if they sound good or not, just pointing it out. I think the super crush is complete crap for high gain stuff unless you add an EQ in the fx loop and an overdrive boost no matter what speaker cab you go through.

@mastencarr798

Жыл бұрын

@@KaddysJamKave yes sir, the setup that i bought was my first head and cabinet. I was so frustrated with the sound of the overdrive channel, so i went and started building a pedal board that I could play through the clean channel, and boom.. same horrible, muddy, boxy tone. The pedal board consists of the Friedman BE-OD, Ibanez Tube Screamer TS-808, and a Boss EQ-7 (trying to chase an Alice in Chains / Jerry Cantrell tone). But anyways, in a couple of days, i'm going to pick up a used Marshall AVT-150H and a Peavy 412 from one of my buddies. So with that being said, hopefully ill be able to mix and match a little bit and see where the sound is coming from that i hate so much.

@KaddysJamKave

Жыл бұрын

@@mastencarr798 Arghhhh it sucks when you buy a piece of gear and end up hating it... I bought my Super Crush after watching glorious reviews... but as far as I'm now concerned now... most are paid shills that will promote almost anything for $$$ That being said... be sure to watch my video "Americanizing an Orange Super Crush" because you can get it to sound REALLY good with an EQ in the fx loop and a boost out front even with these tone sucking orange cabs. If you do buy your mate's Peavey cab... I'm sure you'll test it out first and make sure you like it I hope? Cause their older cabs were well known back in the day for having horrible Sheffield speakers in them. But I notice the newer ones often come with V30's...

@mastencarr798

Жыл бұрын

@@KaddysJamKave Same here, i watched video after video of how amazing the super crush was and after finally getting it, i wasn't impressed lol but yes sir, i've heard this cabinet before, but if I end up not being satisfied with that, i'm just gonna slap some V30's in it. For a peavy cabinet for $100, its worth a shot!

Orange amps with Mesa cabs is a great combination. I use a Rectifier 412 with my Rockerverb mkIII and it's glorious. I think anything would sound good with that cab. Never tried an Orange cab, but I have wondered if grill cloths in general might be an underrated part of your tone. Seems like they've quite literally thrown a blanket over it lol. On the other hand though, treble can become pretty intolerable at higher volumes. I wonder if the Orange would actually sound more balanced and appropriate at show volume.

@kosmonument2682

19 күн бұрын

Orange is made to be played loud, so yeah. I think you're spot on.

they both sound ok to me?

I agree! I’ve wanted to buy an orange cab for years, but every time I play through one they sound too dark like demonstrated here. That Harley Benton sounds great!

The hb cab is just a sturdy as the orange. The front edge of the orange is a picture style frame and gives it a chunkier look…but I’m sure it’s still helps. I do think the grill makes the difference on the orange. It’s thick and i feel certain that material like that have a wax layer during manufacturing added. I haven’t tried the hb but I hear great things

I agree I had the 2by 12 closed back and thought it was ok but the mids are to middy and had almost to much low end then I bought a peavey invective 2 by 12 with a vintage 30 and a cream back combo it it was so much better and balanced.

Nothing wrong with the orange tone thru the orange cabinet, yes less hi’s but still sounds good.

Its not the wood. Speakers are loaded differently. And usually you cant stand that treble bump at higher volumes.

Please KZread never suggest me another video from this channel 🙏

@KaddysJamKave

7 ай бұрын

Awwwww that's not nice. Must be a loyal orange fan 😜

Interestingly enough, i much preferred my supercrush 100 on top of my orange 2x12. I originally put it on top of my Marshall oversized MF400 cab and i fuckin hated it even with the much touted "10 band EQ in the loop" i decided to swap some heads around and found the super crush not to sound nearly as flat to my ears on the orange cab. I havent tried it on my HB 2x12 yet. I also have a dark terror and ive had it on all 3 cabinets and it sounds good on all of them, different, but still good no matter which one its sitting on.

My favorite guitar cabs are orange. And amplifiers. Some of the best with great sound. Bright and open sound. Excellent build quality. Plywood is 18mm, most manufacturers have 15mm.

The neo creams are meant to be smooth. The PC212CB is a bit brighter but i totally agree. Had all the cabs and don't care for them either. Darker and muddy as you said. They do work well with very bright amps to help balance but with orange amps IMO they aren't a good match.

@tyroneenglish8396

7 ай бұрын

They also sounds great with the amp wide open - Orange amps and cabs are designed for huge volume.

@markstraub1879

7 ай бұрын

@@tyroneenglish8396 Indeed they sound better cranked up since they cut a big amount of fizz/presence. Since I barely turn my amps up anymore the darkness of the cabs just makes every amp sound dull and muted. When I was gigging I played a RV100MK1 into a PPC412 and was constantly lost in the mix. My bandmates would say they could never hear me and I had to run the amp super loud to compensate. When I wasn't jamming with them they missed the "thickness" that my amp added to the band mix. I now consider Orange cabs to be "mix thickeners". They sound fantastic layered with other cabs to fill things in. When my current band records we always double track through my old Orange combo to add some beef to the mix. I was beyond shocked when I discovered my PortCity OS212V (v30 loaded) sounded more open and clear compared to the PPC412 I had at the time. I then swapped to a PPC212CB which I preferred over the 412 but it was extremely directional and impossible to move by myself (they are very deep and awkward). I then swapped to a 212V which I was very pleased with for a few years. I then pulled the old PortCity cab out of storage did another comparison and it destroyed the 212V in terms of clarity and definition. I started with the PPC112, great boxy sound for recording but not amazing in the room. I also owned the 212OB for a few days but it was way too loose/boomy for my style. If you want to get an Orange cab the best by far is the PPC212CB. Sounds massive compared to the PPC112, more open than the 212V/OB, and less muddy than the 412. Just a pain to move around alone. I've since sold the OS212V and replaced it with an OS112 (Governer) and a Hesu112 (Demon). The Port City does the boomy/massive bigger cab thing and the Hesu does the tight clear metal/prog thing. Both are extremely portable and I haven't had any cab GAS for a few years now.

Orange with V30s is a beast with my Mesa Triple Recto

I actually have the exact opposite response. Most of my 2x12s are 8ohm celestion V30s and the orange 2x12 is 16ohm v30s. The 8ohms sound incredible and the PPC212 sounds insanely unusably bright at those same settings. I think I run treble around 3 with the PPC212

@KaddysJamKave

3 ай бұрын

I know some V30 production years have had horribly bright and fizzy tone when played and it's been documented on YT. I don't think it's due to the ohms, but I know there are certain years of production where they changed a spec for the worse and it's been up and down over the decades

Dude idk what your talking about, i had the dark terror and 1x12 combination and it sounded amazing, was not muddy at all. Only pedals i have are. Tube screamer and boss ns-2 and it kicks major ass.

Dude you're comparing straight vs angled cabs which 100% do sound different even with the same speakers! That's why I only play straight cabs, I find angled cabs too bright and thin for my taste.

I agree i rarely like an orange amp with the cab but they sound great with other brands amps. Honestly i think u can find better amps u buy the cabs dor the reliability as a working musician

Sounds badass to me

What pickups are in your Dean?

@KaddysJamKave

9 ай бұрын

Stock Dean DMTs

But you do know that the Orange cab is not that thick all the way around, right? The front is actually a frame that makes it look beefy, but if you look at the rear of the cab you'll see the true thickness of the cab which isn't that much thicker than most other cabs. Still more solid than most cabs but the front view is an illusion.

@KaddysJamKave

Жыл бұрын

Yes... But my gripe isn't with the thickness of the cabinet, it's the thickness of the front material which severely muddy's the tone.

I’ve heard that the vintage 30’s in the Harley Benton are made in a different factory. Don’t know if that’s real. I think I prefer the body of the Orange. Sounds more balanced to my brain.

I have this same cab, the PPC212V has Creambacks with a Neodymium magenet (Neo Creamback), these do NOT have V30s. Totally different speaker!

@KaddysJamKave

Жыл бұрын

Except this is NOT a PPC212v... It's a PPC212OB that I modded.

@JoeyStarkey

Жыл бұрын

​@@KaddysJamKave Not to suggest you didn't mod it, but this is a PPC212V (they too have open back). Supercrush100=21.65″ & PPC212 V=21.46" ... but PPC212OB=26" width and we can see it line up. If it was the OB the amp would extend out the sides. It may be that you prefer the v30s. Or can you show us the mod? Was it difficult?

@KaddysJamKave

Жыл бұрын

@@JoeyStarkey lol yeah ok I must be too dumb to know if it was a vertical or horizontal cab when I bought it or I go around making stuff up. I literally have a video of this cab when it was horizontal and I mod it in the video. It's titled "Orange 2x12 OB to CLOSED back MOD".

@JoeyStarkey

Жыл бұрын

​@@KaddysJamKave I didn't say you were too dumb or that you make stuff up, but it is easy to imagine someone making a mistake and sharing incorrect information without meaning too. Sharing your other video is helpful because otherwise we have don't have the context that you took a different cab and rotated the logo, so thank you! I imagine your longtime viewers already knew that, but I didn't, and I do see what you were saying now.

Im surprised orange never got into selling treble boosters haha.

The PPC12V does sound a lot different to the horizontals - different speakers!

@KaddysJamKave

8 ай бұрын

They are v30s

@DavidSmith1307

8 ай бұрын

@@KaddysJamKave I only chipped in becasue Orange say the PPC12V has Celestion Neo Creambacks. Assuming you haven't changed them in which case I take it back.

@KaddysJamKave

8 ай бұрын

@@DavidSmith1307 It was a vertical 2x12 that I converted. Mentioned it in the comments somewhere and have an entire video showing the process I took. But anyways, all good.

Can't the problem be solved with some pedals or an extra eq? Something like the Boss Metal Zone maybe?

@KaddysJamKave

Ай бұрын

Somewhat... Check my video "Americanizing an orange super crush"

what harley cab is this?

@KaddysJamKave

Жыл бұрын

Harley Benton G212 Vertical Celestion V30

I swear I thought I was the only one but yeah Orange doesn't really had great treble settings and sounds muddy compared to a Peavey or Ampeg

My Orange PPC212 pairs well with a JCM800, the Marshall being a brighter amp.

To my ears the orange cab sounds miles above the HB cab. The HB cab sounds cheap, thin, and tinny whereas the orange cab sounds full, warm, and robust. It sounds like it has the potential to be extremely versatile in shaping a tone whereas the HB cab just shoots out to much unwanted high frequencies.

Super crush 100 Is one of the best amps I've ever owned. I was not paid to say this. 😂

Why does my line 6 cab sound louder then my Orange?? Seriously cus I just bought one .. the line 6 cab sounds alot louder

@KaddysJamKave

Жыл бұрын

Probably because of the thick cloth acting like a wet blanket haha. I dunno... It definitely dampens the sound and needs extra presence / treble.

@Ottophil

Ай бұрын

Most likely different impedances

Wow, the difference is stark.

KISS "Heart of Chrome"

I have two similar cabs and have a very similar thing. They sound far away almost, at least playing in the room. I did a quick phone video and it sounds way different than the room sound. On the other hand, my Harley Benton cab sounds super clear and studio like. Damn shame. The orange cab here sounds great with your mic however and I am super super picky

@KaddysJamKave

Жыл бұрын

It definitely sounds better on my recording than "in the room" where I think it sounds muddy and dull like there's a wet blanket over the speakers.

@C0nnie

Жыл бұрын

@@KaddysJamKave same thing here man. Super strange. Even my iPhone camera picked up the sound and it’s not half bad

I understand where he’s coming from but I think it’s an acquired taste I mean it’s based on the person who’s buying it but I respect his option none the less

Don't need bright for doom 😄

yeah the orange cab definitely sounded better.

Its called cancellation.. Lighter wood distorts the speakers actual sound.

It must be your taste in tone, but I thought the orange cabinet sounded much better than the HB cab….the HB cab in my opinion was too bright…orange for me.

@KaddysJamKave

7 ай бұрын

Obviously you didn't read my pinned comment.... That's not what I'm doing here. I'm comparing brightness at the same settings... Not dialling in good tones for the HB

I think you should swap out the voice of the world speakers

@KaddysJamKave

Ай бұрын

Uh, that would be difficult since I don't have them

is well known Orange amps/cabs are dark, they are on they low miss..

Orange cab way fuller, warmer and present. That other thing drowned

@KaddysJamKave

Жыл бұрын

Depends at which settings you're talking about... Read my pinned comment... In short, I was only comparing the difference in brightness with the same settings because the grill is so thick on the orange which drowns the tone until you start almost maxing out the Eq. To get the same thick / full tone on the HB you would dial back the EQ way more to get the same result. Maybe this needs an update video showing a matched tone and how different the EQ's are to get the same result... but as mentioned... I wasn't trying to dial in a good tone on the HB. It does sound too harsh because I only dialed in from noon onwards.... dial back the treble to 9'oclock and it would be comparable to having the treble at 3'oclock on the orange cab.

I never liked Orange 🍊. Gimmicky

Spend less time/money hanging pantera posters… and buy a tube orange head. Also… clearly the orange sound isn’t for you- sell your orange gear (you know you can’t get rid of it fast enough because of your self proclaimed “brightness”) and continue down the road to becoming the worlds top ice picking champ with your love of highs/heights. I mean you’re right- crappier construction, cheaper parts/materials- always results in better tone! Thanks for “confirming that”

@KaddysJamKave

10 ай бұрын

Now that's one butt hurt orange fan...

The issue is 100% in the grill cloth. It's so thick and tight that it naturally filters out a lot of higher frequencies. If you replace the grill cloth with Marshall 1960 cloth (or something comparable) Orange cabs sound great.

You’re also using a $400 solid state amp that’s muddy as hell. It’s not your cab, it’s your amp.

@KaddysJamKave

6 ай бұрын

It's a combination of having no presence control on this amp AND the thick material reducing the high end. It's not a problem when using THIS amp with a different cab and it's not a problem when using an amp with a wider sweep / presence on this cab to overcome the high end tone suck. I have the same problem when using a H&K tube meister 40 with THIS cab... No presence knob to overcome the tone suck

I did try and watch through, honest. You get what you pay for. Didnt really see any justification for the negativity and it was down to your personal choice.

@KaddysJamKave

11 ай бұрын

Can't make my point much clearer... The thick material on the front of orange cabs sucks all the treble compared to any other cab with the same speakers. It's hard to translate that REAL WORLD reality on a video but it's true and I tried to show it. You literally have to max out the bass and treble with this amp and cab combination for high gain because of that issue where as you can have much lower EQ settings on a non orange cab to get the same tone. Maybe I'll redo the video better one day...

@T5Zplayer

11 ай бұрын

@@KaddysJamKave Thanks for responding. Not casting doubt on what you say, its just a YT isnt going to show much of real life quality. The reason I mainly looked at your vid was because I am looking for a cab now. I have done the rounds looking at them all. Its a toss between Orange an Marshall now.

@KaddysJamKave

11 ай бұрын

@@T5Zplayer If your amp has a presence knob it's not as much of a big deal... But the super crush doesn't which makes it a pain to pair them in my opinion. Sounds great when I use an EQ in the fx loop though... Then it's a non issue.

Hb cab is way too bright sounding orange is so much nicer to listen to

@KaddysJamKave

11 ай бұрын

read the pinned comment

Mate, that HB tone sounds brittle and harsh. You're equating more treble with better. The Orange sounded better as others have told you in the comments. Another thing you have to remember as well, is that when volumes are very loud, you will hear significantly more treble and you usually need to back off the highs for loud gig volumes. The Orange wins dude, sorry.

@KaddysJamKave

2 ай бұрын

Another one that doesn't read my very clear statements before commenting 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

Orange amps sound better on other brands and other brands sound better on Orange cabs.

So to be clear,... You don't like them so you bought all of them? Neat.

@KaddysJamKave

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I knew I wouldn't like them so I bought them just to complain.

@michaelduncan298

Жыл бұрын

@KaddysJamKave Well, if that ain't rock and roll, then I don't know what is. You keep on rockin' in the free world, my brother. I rock an 8x10 orange cab with a 300 fender super bassman. I am unsure if my tone is muddy, but I do know I can be heard in the next county over. Love orange cabs!!

The Orange one is a real cabinet, with solid construction and great balanced sound! The black one is just a crappy box with 2 speakers inside.... There is no comparison imo.

@KaddysJamKave

10 ай бұрын

balanced sound? You obviously didn't watch the video... the orange grill sucks all the tone out of the amp which has no presence knob and = MUD. The hb cab is very bright which means you don't have to max out the treble and bass on the amp to dial in a good tone. Sorry, but the Orange cab sucks hairy bollocks in combination with an amp that has no presence and the cheaper hb cab wins all day every day.

I get tired of hearing that orange cabs are 3 times the price of Harley Benton cabs. That's BS. In the US, an orange ppc112 is 449.00. A Harley Benton 1x12 is 259.00 through Reverb. Still a big price difference but actually not even twice. Quit exaggerating!

@KaddysJamKave

6 ай бұрын

First of all you're comparing 1x12s... Second of all you're a plonker. In my neck of the woods the average price for an Orange 212 closed back is $1499 aud and a HB 212 closed back is $425 aud plus shipping costs on top so I am ACCURATE to say 3 times the price.

JUST LOOK AT THE MIRROR. *WHO* ARE YOU AND *WHO" IS ORANGE? .... RIDICULOUS.

@KaddysJamKave

3 ай бұрын

????

I think you need your ears syringing.

@KaddysJamKave

Ай бұрын

I think you need your eyes tested

The tone your chasing is engl evh soldano not orange. That amp just isn’t going to fit what you are trying to accomplish.

The only orange cab id buy is the 212v with Celestion creamback 12s. The voice of the world speaker sucks. It’s just muddy.

@KaddysJamKave

Жыл бұрын

This is not the Voice of the world speakers... They are V30s.

@ScottDreyfus

Жыл бұрын

@@KaddysJamKave same thing then , I like the creamback heavy magnet much better than the v30 it’s just a nicer cut

@KaddysJamKave

Жыл бұрын

@@ScottDreyfus Did you even watch the video? It's not the V30's that are muddy... it's the thick woven grill cloth that makes the speaker muddy. No rationale person would ever say that V30's are muddy.

@ScottDreyfus

Жыл бұрын

@@KaddysJamKave I’m not allowed to like what I like. Thanks. I did watch the video. I guess you can’t read though cause I didn’t say the v30 was muddy just that I’d still rather have the creamback but don’t worry I won’t bother watching anymore of your videos or comment my fucking opinion. Why don’t you pull your panties out of your ass.

@KaddysJamKave

Жыл бұрын

@@ScottDreyfus Lol what? You said VOW speakers are muddy and I said these are V30's and you said "Same thing". I'm not criticizing you for liking Creambacks, I like them too... I"m just saying that V30's aren't muddy and that the grill cloth cuts frequencies to make it sound muddy which is what the whole video is about.