thanks for the shoutout :) tricky ey :D

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

You are just 100 times (literally) bigger channel, no need of shoutout. I just wanted to say thanks to you for amazing work you do here on KZread. Always when looking for answers about archery I type in: "Armin Hirmer /the thing I search for/" :)

@ArminHirmer

2 жыл бұрын

@@CharliesRunningArchery hahaha its not the size that matters Charlie :D

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

... nah... :D

You can shoot thumb release without a thumb ring. If speed is your thing, just use leather thumb protection. I would disagree with you on what technique is easier for heavy bows. Slavic with 3 fingers under (including the pinky) is much easier to pull heavy bows, then with just your thumb. I noticed you have a very static release. This usually means no back muscles are engaged. Because if they were, your hand would fly back after release. This will prove very problematic for you if you try shooting a 70 pound bow, as they require a lot of back engagement. But... we'll see 😂 Nice video as usual. Glad you're liking the thumb draw 😁

@miguelveratraditionalarche9374

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely I prefer 100% thumb leather protector, for me work great for sniper shooting 😅👍

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

As I said, this is just the beginning. I ordered some leather "thumb rings" so I will try it as you and Miguel Vera say :)

@jareth7456

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah buddy I agree he shoots static with Slavic also ...neither of these should be static ..leave that crap for the traditionalists and there Mediterranean BS ...he's a buddy of mine and I'll keep trying to get through to him ...the problem is when people have been doing things a certain way for so long they resist change because they are comfortable where they are ...but I'll be a good influence I promise

Congratulations on your first sponsor bro! You earned it!

Amazing review thank you 😊

Great video Charlie, keep them coming 👍

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Nice to see you shooting and practice thumb release. Well done 😀👍

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for personal video you sent me. You are amazing!

@miguelveratraditionalarche9374

2 жыл бұрын

@@CharliesRunningArchery I love your videos very Pro. 🙏

I live in Phoenix and I just started using a Mongolian horse bow 45 lb draw at 28 in. I bring my hand back behind my ear for the full 28 in and then I release the string as I've brought the arrow on the target I am looking at the Target I am not concentrating putting the arrow on the target. Give that a try concentrate on the target with your eyes. It's kind of like hitting a ball with a baseball bat. You're looking at the ball not the bat. After practice you will get good. I'm starting to get good myself. But I did this with a left-hand shelf longbow. But I like the thumbdrawal whole lot better.

@CharliesRunningArchery

Жыл бұрын

Will try :)

And I agree with u brother. What’s ur thoughts on the power coming the push and pull. And the kahtra, When I did my warbow speed shooting video. Slavic was easier. (I wasn’t using a ring). But that was only 75 pounds and when I shoot (just regular) my 120 pound bows thumb draw is so much easier. It’s awesome you say this like you did. Ur awesome bro

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for confirmation of my theory :)

@AllofArchery

2 жыл бұрын

@@CharliesRunningArchery yes sir. I’m in accord 100 percent

Its all about practicing! Btw if the ring is a little to big use some string wax.

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for a tip!

Congratulations to your new bow! Great choice! 😁👍 Thumbdraw is very nice, but I struggle to use thumbrings, because I often let slip the arrow or cannot nock properly (the ring tongue is in the way). Therefore I have created myself thumb protection, made of cordovan leather. Works pretty well! Since I will most likely not able to draw high poundages, I will be fine with leather protection ☺️ Very good results for your first shots with thumbdraw! 👍 You have now entered another area in the big field of archery - it will be an amazing journey! Happy shooting and keep enjoying! 🏹🔆

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Agama, the lady with a new bow every week :) I will try also thumb protectors :)

@agamagreen

2 жыл бұрын

@@CharliesRunningArchery LOL 😂 Wish you lots of fun! 🏹🔆

@Daylon91

2 жыл бұрын

The Mongols used leather thumbrings with heavy bows as well as the Egyptians. I draw 65# with my leather thumb protector. Just about the finger and tendon strength plus a nice callus

@kenthatfield4287

Жыл бұрын

I work with leather quite a bit have made several gun holsters as well. So I made my own thumb ring well because I couldn't find my ring size on the internet. So I made my own and it works great

once you begin adding khatra and string twist you will become addicted lol

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

I know that, thats why I give it a time :)

I think thumb release is an excellent technique for precision/accuracy shooting, and also to shoot powerful arrows because for now in the video you have been shooting around 28 inches draw length but you can go up to 31-34 inches draw length depending on your bow with this technique. Also Armin Hirmer's videos about khatra (that I totally fail to master yet XD) gives better results

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I need to work on that!

@otavio.a.8.r

2 жыл бұрын

Khatra is not so difficult, don't over move your hands to the side, as Armin says, and also think about the timing. Timing of the end of draw pulling and release is quite important as well.

@Scario45

2 жыл бұрын

@@otavio.a.8.r Yes I figured this out too. Now I have to replicate XD. Thanks for the advise ;-)

It’s been to be super easy using the thumb draw on horseback as the arrow stays stable while riding.

Hey there. I follow your and Armins Chanel for a while. I do thumb release for a 1 year now. I tryed the same thumbring at the beginning. I Was very clumsy then. I practised with out a Ring and then started with Ring again. Now I'm fast and accurate with Ring.

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tips!

I wasn't able to draw my own bows with my thumb the first time. The second time it turned out to the right like crazy. On the 3rd run, I was able to take a single shot and missed my polyfoam target (60x60cm) from 5 steps. And it was my 50# light bow. It was a swim in the river of pain. I keep shooting three fingers under the nock and arrow on the left. But my primary focus is long-range accuracy over speed. I think the thumb ring was one of the most common in 9th-10th century military horseback archery. But it is definitely not my style. In my very case as I mentioned before arrow on the left side of the bow, three-finger under the nock (index finger touching the nock). Close range full instinctive shooting for aiming. Between 30-70m I look in the window between the bow and the string directly above the arrow. From 80 to 200+ I see the target on the right side of the bow and I give elevation using my bow only as a point of reference and I focus on the target itself to have a better feel for windage. When I was really a beginner sometimes I had a sneak peek up at the arrow to see its relation with the axis of my eye and the target on the horizon. By the time I left it behind. Long-range archery working best when it is a semi-instinctive method. But there are many helping tools for absolute beginners. And yes! You can hit a man-size target out to 200 meters. If not for the first time then probably 2nd or 3rd practice day. I recommend using brand new arrows and don't use your long-range arrows for anything else. You probably gonna find the need for a bit different arrow built. Smaller fletching and in some cases even a different shaft or/and length will better work.

@jake4194

2 жыл бұрын

50# is way too heavy to start out with thumb draw. try 30#

2 жыл бұрын

@@jake4194 This is my lightest bow. Yesterday I was on a horseback archery competition and horseback archers gave me their toy bows to try them out. They felt like a child's toy, to be honest. Arrows flow in slow motion and they had dropped on 20 meters as I never saw before. They were all shooting around 30# bows. It was a shocking experience for me. I always shot hunting or war bows and I never even tried these things. Yep! That helps with learning new techniques big time. On the other hand, I immediately figured out few things. First. I gonna switch from wooden arrows to carbon arrows simply because they are so much more durable. I literally gave up on wooden arrows. As I am a hobby and not a competition archer I don't answer to anyone or any rules and regulations so I can use any gear I want. And second I not gonna force myself to shoot from the right side of the bow or thumb draw. I shoot 50-80# bows. (The compounds are obviously different stories as I shoot them by release.) It's a huge step backward so to speak. Originally I wanted to keep open a window of opportunity in feature for competition. But for the next two years, all I want is to focus on being better with what I do. Congratulation on your new bow! It's always a joy to watch your content! Greetings from Hungary!

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting comparison and experience!

2 жыл бұрын

@@CharliesRunningArchery Sorry I didn't mean to be salty or something! No way! No place for offense! And yes the experience is priceless! What they do is so so different. And the opportunity to share experiences and knowledge with them is so rare. This is soul food.

Its definitely just as fast. And the accuracy will come brother. I’m glad your doing thumb draw.

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

Need to practise a lot :)

@AllofArchery

2 жыл бұрын

@@CharliesRunningArchery dude I’m hyped to see this.

@AllofArchery

2 жыл бұрын

@@CharliesRunningArchery like badass bro.

mi personally,ring on 50 plus pond,leather thumb guard 40/45 pound and bare thumb under 40pound,but slavic for speed.

You should try shallow hook thumb release next. Tho I recommend first using a lighter bow

@CharliesRunningArchery

Жыл бұрын

I'll take a look! Thanks

I too am practicing thumb draw 👍🏼

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

Great 👍

Great review... Where did you buy your arrow !!

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

It's the cheapest possible carbon arrows with interchangable nocks :)

Loading consistently is a big reason why horse archers used a nocking point with thumb ring. I use a leather thumb protector. Never tried ring. I can pull my angular bow to my max draw 32 (65#) with a leather thumb protector. Some cultures who shot with thumb never used rings like the Egyptians.

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not frequently usind thumb draw, this was just a test. Never fell in love with this style :) Thanks for your comment :)

THUMBDRAW IS AMAZING!!! I AM REALY HAPPY YOU DECIDED TO GIVE IT A TRY... AND YOU SHOULD DEFINITELY GIVE IT SOME MORE ATTENTION FOR YOUR RUNNING STYLE... REMEMBER THAT MONGOLIAN WAR ARCHERS USE THUMBDRAW FOR HORSE ARCHERY... SO... IT COULD BE A GREAT ADDITION TO YOUR RUNNING ARCHERY...

That's so nice You have opportunity to make some sponsored videos. Your channel is so professionally made so i'm shocked it's so small. You've got much info in description, could You add info about bow and arrows present in videos? Bro, You really inspired me. I'm doing a lot of stupid archery stuff (like bow drive-by on lawnmower) but now i want to try running archery.

@paweszymonjasinski7158

2 жыл бұрын

oh, You included bow info in video :D Not finished watching yet.

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

Bow is short Tatar from Alibow and Arrows are the cheapest carbon arrows with interchangable nocks. I'm glad you liked it :)

I didn't see that you were using a pinch technique in the past! I haven't seen that before. I use a thumb draw, and either I form a callus (which sometimes I prefer) or I wrap bandage tape around my thumb. Anything else feels too distracting to me. I was wondering though, how do you sense if the arrows feathers are facing the correct direction if you're wearing a glove? I have to have my wrist feel it. Sometimes when it's freezing out though, it would be nice to be able to have my hands gloved!

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Nina! When I wear glove on my bowhand, I well nothing. It's about to set properly your nocking point. I hope I understood your question and answered what you have asked for :)

@SD-xo8tx

2 жыл бұрын

@@CharliesRunningArchery Hi Charlie, I'm sorry, my explanation was unclear! In order to make sure the correct feather is pointing out, I use my wrist to feel where the small bump on the arrow nock is. This way I don't have to look at the arrows as I load them. However, I'm unable to then use gloves. I was wondering how you do this when you are wearing gloves? :) Thank you!

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

@@SD-xo8tx Ah! Now I understand. Well, I dont care about the right possition of the arrow. I used be very picky about that but for speed shooting I had to change my mind. Did I help?

@SD-xo8tx

2 жыл бұрын

@@CharliesRunningArchery Ohhhhh... interesting! I wonder how much of an actual difference it makes in accuracy. Next video suggestion! 😉 😁 Taking out the speed element, how much does the feather position effect accuracy? Then we'd know if it's worth paying attention to if speed was then added! I'd be so curious! :)

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

Long story short :) if you choose the right arrows, it has no effect, because after release the arrow bends. And if you shoot woth Khatra (which I still do not but once will) it doesn’t matter at all :)

For loading phase velocity it would be better for you to hold arrows on the shooting hand. Or by holding the nocks, the heads or even by holding the arrows between your other fingers just like "wolverine claws". I can't remember the correct name for the last one, just know it's part of turkish techniques, but it reminds me of Marvel's Wolverine.

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

I haven't shot thumb ever since this video. I do my style of shooting is pretty much different now. But! Thanks for the advice and your sharing! :)

Thumb release looks cooler than 3 finger release. It also looks manly 💪🏻

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

So check out how does slavic release looks, thats classy :)

This guy is using a 35lb bow, I just bought a 70lb bow that thing is heavyyyy! I was thinking about purchasing a lighter draw bow, but I am able to draw my 70lb bow AND hold it for some time, so I think I'm fine, but I don't know if I'll be able to thumb draw it.

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

You can do it! Just practice and do some workout for hands and fingers…

@youcanthandlethetruth6976

2 жыл бұрын

@@CharliesRunningArchery I saw those ming Chinese thumb rings, I thought maybe I'll practice with those. Going to order their ring sizers and get one.

@jankovac469

2 жыл бұрын

If you are a beginner, 70 pounds is insane and you just ruin your back and front arm. If you do not need to hunt or shoot at a distance of 200 m, forces over 50 pounds are useless and it is more of an egobooster

@youcanthandlethetruth6976

2 жыл бұрын

@@jankovac469 Well I just bought a traditional bow, and it happened to come in at 70lb draw weight. Bought it on ebay and they didn't list the draw weight as 70lbs. I'll keep the 70lb as a warbow and to practice with, but for sure I think I'm going to get a lighter bow.

Hah tiez mam doma par prstenov z alicka, ktore mi nepasuju na palec. Nakoniec som si vyrobil vlastny kozeny. S palcom sa hlavne lahsie natahuje dalej ako normalne. Pri palcovom natahujem az mam letky na lici. Skus to, strela je silnejsia a je to skvely pocit.

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

Pracuju na tom, díky :)

Turks nickname Oghuz literally means (arrow clans) like Old Hungarians Associated with ONOGURs Turkic (10 arrow clans). Thumb draw should be made with your 2 fingers. if you introduce other 2 it will not use correctly, It will give more muscle power, but you lose control of aiming and get tired quickly. Turks , or Avar turkic, bulgar turkic , Tatar turkic developed a game called Asik bone game which is played from childhood and that game basically trained your thumb tendons and your muscles because you try tor put power in your bone to hit other bones . Basically a different version of marble game. so you should first train your thumb to more power. also, why don't you use Turkish style of holding arrows, this gives you more Speed for loading...

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for in depth look! Great article and very interesting reading!

3:26 the back of your hand should be 90 degrees to the string, which means your hand should be horizontal. Otherwise, your index finder will be hit by the string. Not good for your finger, also not good for accuracy.

@xiaolongmu

2 жыл бұрын

Don't intend to open your index finger, let your index finger relax and string escape away. Why do some people open their index finger L shape? because the poundage is high and the string bumps the finger away.

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for very useful tips!

Static release doesn't work out so good with thumb draw...you need to still be drawing as you release and a good khatra helps immensely, press the bow forward hard right before release...keep a tight grip on the bow and khatra should come naturally

@CharliesRunningArchery

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing your expertise Barton 🍀🍀

Thumb draw is the best and more stable than slavic draw.. And your last 3 finggers need to held tight.

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

Not for me... I just feel better with Slavic.

you learned slavic before thumb draw? weird

@CharliesRunningArchery

Жыл бұрын

Why?