You are absolutely right Armin! When I first started shooting shallow hook I had been shooting 60lbs with the deep hook. After two shots with shallow hook at 60lbs I decided I needed to go back down to 30lbs to learn the shallow hook properly. Always releasing early is no fun. Great review as always.

Amazing information! Watching your channel is like a free archery education. :)

I've learned so much from you that I picked up my first bow. The Samick skb 30lb. Thank you for all your patience, passion and wisdom!

Thank you, Armin. I've been trying to learn to use the shallow hook thumb ring since you first reviewed the Alibow version a while ago. I find it to be a challenge to not have the string slip off and then smack yourself in the jaw with your hand. I'm glad to hear that you find it to be a challenge also. Just when I feel confident with my 20 pound fiberglass Alibow tatar, I go to my 30 pound laminated Groser tatar and the learning curve seems to start all over again. But I am committed to mastering this ring. Just need to practice much more.

@ArminHirmer

2 жыл бұрын

it is worth it working the way up in poundage. there is no better ring out ;)

@TheWayTeller

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I had had a similar problem with mine. I was shooting a 30lb bow and then the mighty Keshig @ 40lb and nearly broke my nose! Lower poundage and shorter distance to start. Aim small, miss small.

@cjdarts

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArminHirmer Comparing the photos of the Fuhao and the Painless ring on the Alibow website, I see that the Fuhao is more rounded. The Painless has a sharp V shape at the front where you press it into your middle finger. I find that uncomfortable. I didn't know if the V was important to the function of the ring, but it seems now that it is not. So I will file and polish my painless ring to be more rounded like the Fuhao, and hopefully that will help.

Thank you very much Armin how good you explain with so much patience and details. Enjoy the weekend 🏹😃👍

@ArminHirmer

2 жыл бұрын

and you enjoy your new bow :D

Such an interesting flow of information! And I love seeing the Xongkoro in action one more time! So excited to know who will get this beautiful piece of craft! Good luck to you all patrons!

Hi Armin. Very, very interessting and so well explained. Thanks a lot! Have a nice weekend, enjoy shooting the bow and arrow and btw, I love the bells ringing in the background, we can hear in many of your videos, very much. Makes watching your videos to a meditation :-).

@ArminHirmer

2 жыл бұрын

Hahaha yeah meditation… thank you

Thanks for a great review of these rings. I would love to see a comparison of my design to them both. I think the design I made will give a smoother release as noted before in your last comparison. Thanks for another honest review.

Very smooth buddy , Very smooth

Very interesting. Awesome explanation.

Dear Armin! I use a ring similar to the Yuwen style, but with a manchu release technique. (Clockwise rotation for right-handed pulling.) Smoother release when exiting the groove...

🙏 Great explanation! It's not easy getting the technique right with the Fuhao ring, but after a while you want nothing else 😁

@ArminHirmer

2 жыл бұрын

True that

Actually the best shallow-hook thumb ring is 四捷机, designed by 高颖 in 明 dynasty

Nice. I bought the same ring from Aliexpress. Love the design!!

I'm toyig with buying one of those but the leather thumb guard I made for myself is working really well when I combine all your techniques and I'm more accurate than I am with Mediterranean style

I find it difficult to shoot with rings, because one day they are too loose, the other day they are too tight... But it’s quite a challenge! I bet it’s a good feeling, mastering the Shallow ring! Thank you so much for the review, Armin! ☺️🙏 PS: nice to see the beautiful Manchu bow by Grózer again 😇😊

@ArminHirmer

2 жыл бұрын

Hehe yeah me too

@agamagreen

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArminHirmer 😁👍

thousand dollar worth of thumbrings on the table. 😎

My 50# Grozer is pretty tough to shoot with the thumb. I am putting a LOT of pressure on the arrow nock in the string while I'm drawing it. I know I'm doing something wrong but don't know what it is. I'm not having as much trouble with the 40 # Paragon.

Since my thumb only bends 45 degrees at best, I was forced into the shallow hook. And yes, always point at the target! It doesn't happen like it used to, but it still slips out once in a while. You naturally blink and flinch just like Armin did and you have no idea where your arrow went.

@ArminHirmer

2 жыл бұрын

hehe yeah I need first more practice with a snake bow hahaha

I'm very new to thumb draw. I've tried two different styles of Vermil thumb rings and just can't seem to get a secure hook. I shot very few arrows and my thumbnail was sore for days. And I had a couple of accidental releases. Just not comfortable with the technique at all at this point. Everyone makes it look so easy, but I'm not finding it to be at all! It appears that the range of motion, and perhaps the length of my thumb is not allowing me to get a steep enough angle on the string such that when "locked on", the face of the ring is roughly 45, MAYBE 60 degrees to the string. Even with my 35# bow this puts a lot of pressure on my thumb as the string tries to slide off the ring with any amount of draw. Maybe the shallow hook design will work for me as it doesn't need such an acute angle of the thumb to hold securely. Or maybe I should just stick with fingers and forget the Asiatic bow... 😕

Very informative video. One question: would you consider the Elong "Ming Guang" thumb protector a shallow-hook ring?

thank you for the tips. But I don't think I have the courage to try. I am using shallow hook thumb rings, but I lock my thumb, for safety purpose.

@ArminHirmer

2 жыл бұрын

Then better get a normal ring

Thank you sir for the explanation, but what is the benefit of the shallow over the deep hook? The deep seems safer a. Man those arrows here all over the place love the slow mo. 👍🏼🏹🇺🇸

@ArminHirmer

2 жыл бұрын

cleaner release (once you managed :D )

the slo-mo arrow flight has quickly become my favourite part of your videos. interesting results, with the snake bow plus alibow ring you have the best flight i have seen since you have been doing this view. then the next bow just awful. 3rd bow about your normal again. what do you think is causing the difference? i'd love to see a viewpoint directly behind the bow to watch the string. i think the right amount of sideways string travel is the key to getting a straight arrow without tuning.

@OlivierNeu

2 жыл бұрын

Your point about sideways travel makes sense. I have a Fuhao ring from Alibow and the arrow keeps hitting the bow. No problem with the deep hook rings I have... When you increase the brace height the problem goes away. You loose power this way, but gain accuracy from the crisp release.

@ArminHirmer

2 жыл бұрын

Just my bad shooting and getting used to the rings, did not shoot them a long while and not often

@jrs4516

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArminHirmer that was 3 beautiful arrows in a row on the snake. wish my bad shooting was like that

Very soft Arrows in Spine?

Can someone provide a link for the Fu hao ring ? I got the Alibow version but the grove is a quite different. And I think the bigger grove will help me with my issue. ( the alibow one is working for now with my 30" , the 50" I just got and I have to work on the strength to pull it back at all, not only with a ring ) Having big palm with fck short fingers ( literally it looks like I am missing a joint on all of them ) when I lock my thumb and index fingers , there is no place at all for the string - so I naturally string twist otherwise I cannot draw at all.

🏹🎯

I purchased a shallow hook ring from alibow ,but with the 40 and 45 pound bows I shoot I never could get the hang of it. I suppose I dont have the patience for as much practice as it takes.

@ArminHirmer

2 жыл бұрын

Continue its worth it

"it shoots" is all about the string twist? I thought it was something deeper than that 😂

@ArminHirmer

2 жыл бұрын

thats what they like to tell you :D

@SwissFiveNine

2 жыл бұрын

I have been practicing Kyudo for a number of years now. And yes, IT shoots. But IT is nothing unearthly. It's all mechanics and physics, like the whole universe, but at some point you get to the point where you stop thinking about IT. You internalized IT and so the shot "just happens". But I've also experienced the same since I've been shooting so-called classic long and recurve bows. IT just shoots. Kyudo is meditation while standing. You can achieve the same thing with any kind of archery. My opinion and, I continue to practice Kyudo, every day :-).

@gizmonomono

2 жыл бұрын

@@SwissFiveNine Awesome 😁. Thanks for the clarification. I always thought of it as a state of mind.

@SwissFiveNine

2 жыл бұрын

@@gizmonomono My pleasuere, ..., thanks for reading my answer. Shoot straigh, enjoy the "IT" when it happens :-).

It's a bloody hair trigger.

Honestly? Thumb rings are like condoms, hate them both.😂 I've yet to find a ring that doesn't feel like it's separating me from my bow. Have a great weekend everybody!

@ArminHirmer

2 жыл бұрын

I understand :) never used the latter but thumb rings make sense sometimes :D

@jenjen7728

2 жыл бұрын

@bondes des Perhaps👍

Actually the best shallowhook thumb ring is 四捷机, designed by 高颖 in 明 dynasty