Thanks, my lord. I will dehydrate until next video.

@dgodiex

2 ай бұрын

🤣

@NviGWarren

2 ай бұрын

Rofl😂😂😂

@WilliamJames48

2 ай бұрын

It's the same down here in Houston. Just roll me up and smoke me lol.

@danielpfaff1802

2 ай бұрын

😂

@Meilk27

2 ай бұрын

lmao dude, this sent me

If anyone is interested, here's the actual Einstein joke explained: > So, Einstein dies. He finds himself in heaven, and he has his violin. He's overjoyed. He loves his violin. More than physics. Even more than women. This introduction sets up Einstein as a representation of a civilization, with his violin symbolizing the civilization's technological capabilities and achievements. > He's excited to find out how well he can play in heaven. He imagines he'll be pretty damn good. So he starts tuning up, and the angels rush at him. "What are you doing?" they say. "I'm getting ready to play." "Don't do that. God won't like it." "He's a saxophonist." Einstein's eagerness to showcase his musical abilities in heaven mirrors a civilization's desire to demonstrate its advancements and make its presence known in the universe. The angels' warning not to play because "God won't like it" suggests that revealing one's capabilities to a superior civilization can lead to unfavorable consequences. > So Einstein stops. He doesn't play, but it's difficult. He loves music, and there's actually not much to do in heaven. And sure enough, from high above, he hears a saxophone. It's playing "Take the A Train." Despite the warning, Einstein struggles with the temptation to engage with the superior civilization (God), much like how a less advanced civilization might be tempted to initiate contact or compete with a more advanced one. > So he starts playing "Take the A Train." The saxophone stops, and God appears. He marches over to Einstein and kicks him in the balls, which hurts, even in heaven. Then he smashes Einstein's beloved violin to bits. When Einstein gives in to temptation and starts playing, God swiftly retaliates by causing him pain and destroying his violin. This represents the potential consequences of a less advanced civilization revealing its presence and capabilities to a superior one, resulting in its destruction. > Eternity without music. Heaven has become hell for Einstein. And, as he writhes on the ground, holding his smashed balls, an angel comes over and says, "We warned you." "Never play with God." The punishment inflicted upon Einstein serves as a warning to other civilizations: "Never play with God," or in other words, never attempt to engage or compete with a superior civilization, as doing so can lead to dire consequences and the loss of everything they hold dear. The joke, as told by Ye Wenjie, is a cautionary tale about the risks of revealing one's presence and capabilities in a universe where the intentions of other civilizations are unknown, as described by the dark forest theory in cosmic sociology. It emphasizes the importance of maintaining silence and avoiding contact with potentially hostile civilizations to ensure survival.

@JusAnIdea

2 ай бұрын

I'm so glad someone else brought this up - felt I was going crazy that no one has been talking about how it's an analogy for the Dark Forest!

@AllTheArtsy

2 ай бұрын

Ah, I just commented this but more concisely. I was shocked Quinn thought it was irrelevant when it was a pretty obvious reference to the Dark Forest.

@fieryfirevivin

2 ай бұрын

She definitely ain't gonna be popular in stand up comedy that's for sure

@flyingurchin

2 ай бұрын

I loved that they turned the cosmic sociology primer into a good, bad Einstein joke. When I watched, I thought she was going to go into the whole axioms thing after the joke, but instead it was a mic drop.

@jason-jones

2 ай бұрын

@@fieryfirevivin Yeah, I agree, thought the fact it wasn't funny was a huge clue. This specific scene is better in the book.

What!!! 2 hours of 3 body talk, I'm re-hydrating for this!

@Bokmoh

2 ай бұрын

If you survive we all survive

@KeePDasMe

2 ай бұрын

😂 Best. Comment. EVER!

@KeePDasMe

2 ай бұрын

@@Bokmoh haaaaa!

@rufangzhao555

2 ай бұрын

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

People really complaining about swear words and marijuana? That’s about as silly as it gets lol

@KabbalahSherry

2 ай бұрын

Right? 😂 Such Boomer energy jeez

@AllTheArtsy

2 ай бұрын

i dont even hear that complaint lol not sure where he got that

@JoeSchmoer

2 ай бұрын

@@KabbalahSherry zoomers are the new boomers. They're even bringing back prudishness.

@chrisb7528

2 ай бұрын

He's reading an anecdotal comment then laughing at his fans then quoting the book. Rinse and repeat. People and mainstream media do that with anecdotal tweets all the time.

@pumpuppthevolume

Ай бұрын

they should watch the boys lol

I just spent the last few nights watching almost all of your three body videos. Incredible. New fan of Quinn. Such brilliant summary of the whole story. Amazing breakdown of concepts. This is quality.

@3373just

2 ай бұрын

That was me a few months back! Lots of great content on this channel to binge on!!! 💥

Also this is a really random thing but Changing "Trisolarans" to "The San Ti" has the added benefit of making the title of the first book hit harder. Because "San Ti" = "Three Body". So the title "Three Body Problem" now refers both to the difficult astronomical conditions of the Trisolaran homeworld, and to the fact that earth "Has a problem with the San Ti"

@IronKurone

2 ай бұрын

Trisolar also means three body I think.

@kennethyu3950

2 ай бұрын

@@IronKurone naw, Tri Solar is “Three Sun.” It’s a good, sci-fi-sounding translation that focuses on what the bodies in the problem actually are, but you still lose the play on words.

@IronKurone

2 ай бұрын

@@kennethyu3950 Okay thats fair.

@HY-vz3ks

2 ай бұрын

@@kennethyu3950 we do refer to stars as astronomical "bodies"?

@TheChronozoan

2 ай бұрын

​@HY-vz3ks Don't be pedantic. Yes they are celestial bodies but solar applies to exactly one type, thus the name.

I'm just happy people are finally rememebering Hu Wen exists. Not because he is super important, but because it proves the show isn't making up things to pad for casting... all the people we're there. Some of the details got changed, and they're mixing things up here and there, but the core of the characters are still there. (Random aside, I am convinced Auggie is going to be the second Swordholder, since it will play better with her feelings over Judgement Day)

@ChengXin-fu2ih

2 ай бұрын

Isn't it Jin Cheng (Cheng Xin) that will be the second swordholder? What are the reasons that many think Auggie will be one? It is shown that Jin Cheng is naive and very attached emotionally on humanity, which the book Cheng Xin is a representation of empathic moral values of humanity after Deterrence Era, and she will be in contrast to Thomas Wade in his ideology of "Only Advance".

@paulchaisson8301

2 ай бұрын

@ChengXin-fu2ih In the book, Cheng Xin is indeed the second swordholder. But Wang Miao does not go to the future in the books. Nor do they spend much time with his guilt over making the nanowire that ultimately killed a bunch of people. Auggie feeling guilt over the Judgement day will mean that, if she holds the sword, when the time comes to use it to broadcast and ultimately doom even more people, she won't be able to. Cause it's either that or be Saul/Luo Ji's perfect waifu, but that feels like a waste of the character.

@Latesp

2 ай бұрын

Funny name, who? when? Now that explains it, Jack Rooney also sounds funny.

@iksaglam

2 ай бұрын

Beware spoilers for the show and books below: Yes I agree that in the show they seem to be setting up auggie to be the second sword holder. They made a point to emphasize her value of humanity and helping those in need. They also set up bad blood between Auggie and Wade which also mirrors the rivalry of Cheng Xin and Wade in the books. It seems as if Auggie and Jin Cheng are gonna interchangably represent Cheng Xin and AA in the books.

@LoveMuse222

2 ай бұрын

Nice one! I thought that would be Jin but you're right, Auggie seems a good option. Also it seems she has something with Saul so that would make quite a scene.

the "I can't believe Saul smokes weed" is fucking hilarious given who the character is. I cannot fucking wait for season 2 when he goes FULL hedonist, I remember laughing at the Luo Ji sections in the book so many times, it's gonna be even funnier in the show

@aegyo9272

2 ай бұрын

And i wait for *SPOILER*......Zhang Beihai/Raj grabbed a ship and ran away into deepspace like a coward. Lol... his character was so strong before that.

@LoveforAaronBushnell

2 ай бұрын

Has a taste of 'not liking that he's a black man' and everything that goes with that!!

@DDoubleEDouble

2 ай бұрын

I forget that some people (especially in Asian countries) still believe all the propaganda about weed lmao

@scottwatrous

2 ай бұрын

​​@@aegyo9272see I appreciated the pragmatism of dipping out. And that was always his MO. It's not like he was a badass who ran away, he was a badass in order to run away.

@edgbarra

2 ай бұрын

​@@aegyo9272I disagree about the coward thing. It was the best option at the time. Thanks to that humanity survives outside the solar system

This is one of those divine interventions, I literally got into science fiction yesterday night because of this guy, I couldn’t sleep because I stayed up the night before messing my sleep schedule, so I was wide awake at 2am and somehow KZread recommended me a 4.5 hour video of the TBP sci-fi series and thought “ahh what the hell” finished that one video in one sitting snuggled up under my covers letting my mind go wild, I just ordered the series of Amazon and am looking for more into sci-if novels, so thanks!

@ryan555.3

2 ай бұрын

I had this experience a year ago. You won’t regret delving deeper!

@Meilk27

2 ай бұрын

welcome aboard man. check out DUNE! ASAP~

@yashen12345

2 ай бұрын

yooooo thats nuts, i did this exact same thing a few months ago. ruined my sleep schedule but didnt regret it at all.

@Temerold_se

2 ай бұрын

If you enjoy Cixin Liu's hard sci-fi, I recommend that you also read Peter Watt's "Firefall" duology, starting with "Blindsight". I really enjoyed the "Remembrance of Earth's Past" trilogy ("The Three-Body Problem" series), but I prefer "Blindsight" over all of them. Happy reading!

@franzfrikadelli6074

2 ай бұрын

Good luck on the ride. And one hell of a ride it is :D

About the ETO raid, in the book, the girl that Tatatina may took the role of threatens to kill everyone with a mini nuke if they don't let Ye Wenji go. Dai Shi called it bullshit then one guy in his team toss her some scale, the first 2 "bombs" did nothing, but the third one makes it tip, that guy stops smirking. Dai Shi immediately come up with a plan, he tells the girl that they have found her mother, when she is distracted, he shoot the bomb, thus neutralizing it. When asked how he know about her mother, Shi said that he know jack shit about it, but people like her definitely lack a mother in their life.

@Kingbimmy

2 ай бұрын

Da Shi is by far the best character in the books. I wish there could’ve been a way for him to be in all three books 😭❤️ And yeah, I don’t think people are realizing that Tatiana is supposed to represent Shen Yufei, from the Frontiers of Science group. She’s basically the recruiter just like Shen, she’s sly and conniving like her, and sneaks around, getting away with stuff mysteriously like Shen too. The main differences are that Tatiana is seen doing more gruesome shit (killing Jack), and very clearly is going to serve a purpose in the next season and is actually favored by the trisolarans after they had decided to cut off humans. They both have a very cruel and cold mind though, and have no real family other than the cult group they are a part of. (Shen has a husband, but in the book it even states that there’s no real passion or love in their relationship.)

Regarding Saul being Luo Ji, Luo Ji was also described as a one-night-stand kind of guy. I wanted to use the word womanizer but that might be too harsh a description. I also didn’t realize Saul would be manifesting Luo Ji until the last few episodes but his outlook on life and overall demeanor in the whole Netflix show are almost one-to-one Luo Ji’s described traits leading up to his nomination as a Wallfacer in hindsight.

Really nice comparison, one small correction @34:19. The image is that of Nataraj at CERN. Natraj is Shiva doing what is called the Tandava dance. As given on the CERN website: "In the Hindu religion, this form of the dancing Lord Shiva is known as the Nataraj and symbolises Shakti, or life force. As a plaque alongside the statue explains, the belief is that Lord Shiva danced the Universe into existence, motivates it, and will eventually extinguish it. Carl Sagan drew the metaphor between the cosmic dance of the Nataraj and the modern study of the 'cosmic dance' of subatomic particles."

@TheNeo349

2 ай бұрын

That is why the episode is titled "Destroyer of worlds". Shiva assumes the Nataraj form when he destroys existence. Nice symbolism there.

I think the Einstein part of the joke does have some relevance, in that it gives a hint for the interpretation. It helps triangulate the point. Make noise and you'll get killed, with fermi's paradox and game theory explaining how and why you'll get killed.

Episode 5 was a BANGER. My 2 favorite sequences from the first book in 1 episode. The nanowire boat scene and the sophons being built scene. I was worried how they would be handled on screen and I was happy with both. The sophons scene was done much better in the book and I wish the show went more in depth with it. Like how in the book it goes into all the failed attempts and stuff. But I was still happy with how they handled it. The nanowire scene with judgement day however was done better on screen than it was in the book. I like how they didn't hold back on the brutality and it felt more impactful emotionally because in the book it is kind of just breezed over and never mentioned again. I really do enjoy this season overall. I am very excited to see how they are gonna handle the droplet attack and possibly even the dimension strike if they take the show that far.

@fieryfirevivin

2 ай бұрын

That scene didn't make sense at all. They could have swarmed in and captured the adults and left the children. But they commit brutal murder by using the nano fiber

@lunajka

2 ай бұрын

​@@fieryfirevivinWade and Da Shi actually discuss the idea of sending in some small unit of soldiers into the ship (this idea is brought up in the book as well), but this would give Evans and his people time to destroy the drive. using the nanofibers took so little time and caused so much chaos that before Evans even realized what was going on, it was already too late to do anything.

@fieryfirevivin

2 ай бұрын

@@lunajka Doesnt make any sense whatsoever. A recon operation would have taken care of that. It doesnt make sense that they annhiliate the children on board as well. which is sick and pointless The nano fiber was so slow as well. if they could destroy that technology( which is again weird of how it got to earth faster than the san-ti) the guy easily would have . I liked the show. but its got tons of plot holes

@xHarpyx

2 ай бұрын

I really hope they do the droplet attack well. As for the nanowire, my bf said, "Couldn't they have just cut the bottom?" He watched it with me knowing nothing of the books and only some of the basics.

@kevone-eo6pq

2 ай бұрын

if you read the books it will explain it so much better than the show does.@@fieryfirevivin

Glad to see this channel growing. Undoubtedly one of my favourite KZread channels to listen to. Thanks for all your content. Keep up the good work.

You are the reason for my obsession with this series of books. I’ve been a subscriber for a decent while (off & on since YT keeps removing my subscriptions to several content creators I enjoy!) I listened to every video on your playlist when I wanted a refresher for this series & am so incredibly thankful for finding a kindred spirit who loved the Netflix adaptation as much as myself. Thank you for also comparing characters to their counterparts in the novel, as I was able to see most but needed help remembering the 1st book better. Superb as always!

Augustine honestly seemed way more like Cheng Xin to me than Jin. I can tell because I absolutely loathed her

@WhatsTheTakeaway

24 күн бұрын

I think everyone hates Xin, and for good reason. She's the "You only had one job" meme.

Really enjoyed the show. 3 Body Problem was already on my reading list but now it has moved all the way up to next in line

@Kraken9911

2 ай бұрын

I envy you. You can only read something for the first time once. I average about 20-30 books a year and this trilogy went straight to my top 5 favorite.

The netflix show doesn’t make you feel the existential dread the same way the book makes you feel and that feeling was deep. It touched my soul in a way I never felt before. In fact I didn’t feel it at all when watching the show. Other than that it is a good show.

@scottwatrous

2 ай бұрын

I do know what you mean. I feel in part the first season had to unfortunately somewhat curtail the intensity of the dread in order to keep moving forward and get setup for season 2. If I had been show runner, I'd have leaned way more heavy into ending one of the early episodes with the DO NOT ANSWER part and really make that hit in the chest. That moment was the thing that stuck with me more than anything in the first book, and the series just laid it out and kept moving. And then the rest of the dread and uncertainty later on, once we knew about the sophons, wasn't as claustrophobic feeling.

@shinbi6009

2 ай бұрын

@@scottwatrousthese are respectable opinions and while I do understand these choices, the first book of this trilogy can actually stand on its own without the other two books.

@smokeythebear1633

2 ай бұрын

100% agreed. I enjoyed the show but outside of the first episode with the winking universe and slightly with the 'you are bugs' scene I did not feel that existential dread. Well put.

@Misterz3r0

2 ай бұрын

It's just the first season...

@levischorpioen

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, if I had one critique it'd be that the show took the sci-fi a bit too literal. Yes, there's a lot of science talk in the series, obviously. But thematically, emotionally, the story has way more of a Lovecraftian cosmic horror feel to me. I was surprised to learn it was the GOT guys behind this and someone like Mike Flanagan, who already has a working relationship with Netflix, wasn't considered. Him together with Justin Benson and Aaron Moorehead would be a perfect team to tackle Remembrance of Earth's Past.

My only real complaint with the show is that some of the shows of San-ti power, like the “you are bugs” scene are a bit too overblown and make it kinda hard to understand why the san-ti can’t just take over already or completely destroy humanity without even having the fleet show up. I felt like in the books the shows of power were still very impressive, but were very clearly within the power of the sophons. Some of the events in show arguably really shouldn’t be within the power of the sophons, at least from my interpretation and make the power seem kinda hand-wavey.

@franzfrikadelli6074

2 ай бұрын

100% agree. they buffed the sophons too much and created polt holes.

@Unitos_

2 ай бұрын

The fact that they can take over airplanes and cars pretty much means transportation goes 100 years.

@Ytremz

2 ай бұрын

I liked the buffs! I didn't see anything that would theoretically be out of scope for the capabilities of a multidimensional hypercomputer 😂

@putty-e2872

2 ай бұрын

@@Ytremz This creates a plot hole of "why doesn't it hack a factory to produce terminators?" Essentially, it would result in a different movie where the alien could terraform Earth from a distance before the arrival of the main fleet.

@Ytremz

2 ай бұрын

@@putty-e2872 I had the same thought too, but I was able to explain away these potential plot-holes fairly easily / plausibly. Essentially, the buffs allow the sophons to induce 'strategic chaos' in existing tech, as we see in this first season, but logistically, they would still likely need humans to do anything more than that. The more complex the scheme for the sophons to bypass these obstacles (sourcing materials, new fabrication processes, inventory / resource management, shipping, etc.) the more likely their plans would be to get detected by humans and shut down.

Love your take Quinn- you are objective and fair and also cool-headed. It’s so refreshing to hear from someone else who loves the books but didnt come to this adaptation expecting a 1:1 and appreciate ALL the adaptations for bringing different things to the table. I honestly feel better after listening to this video because I thought I was the only one in the world thinking the same as you and thought I was going crazy. Thanks for all you do !

Excellent deep dive on my favorite books of all time! One thing you said was that the raid at the ETO meetup was more action-heavy in the show to make it more watchable, but it actually was a very action heavy scene in the book - actually even more than the show. In the book, Ye Wenjie had Pan executed by having one of her bodyguards break his neck...then when the raid happened, one of the bodyguards was holding a mini-nuclear device. Da Shi fired a round into it causing it to have a miniature detonation, and there was a big shootout to follow. I believe it's implied that the explosion caused Da Shi to get radiation poisoning, which was one of the reasons he went into hibernation (there was no cure in the present). Overall I think they did the scene pretty well, but clearly they were saving the budget for the incredible sequence in Ep. 5. Just my thoughts - keep up the great work!

I read this series years ago and I was so sad at how hard it was to find in-depth conversations about it! Now I have found your channel and I am so, so, so grateful. I feel very similarly to how you do regarding the Netflix series! I really think the development of the characters, as well as the excellent acting, elevated them and added an extra dimension (hehe) to the story, and I appreciate how they added diversity to the main cast while preserving the nationalities that are actually meaningful to the story and the characters, like Ye Wenjie and Mike Evans, and also Sophon taking on an Japanese appearance... I do miss the sense of scope of the books, both the scope in space but especially the scope in time -- but then I can just reread the books to experience that again :) At any rate, thank you so much for your insightful, interesting videos on 3BP!

Love your work mate, it was your original 3 body problem video a couple of years ago that finally pushed me over the edge to go and read the series last year. Loved the Netflix adaption and hope those new to the series gravitate to your channel and not all the johnny come lately channels trying to get it on the action now the series has reached a wider audience.

I liked both the tencent and netflix version. I love the books, so obviously I would've loved it, if it was scene to scene but it wouldn't have worked for the show. I don't have any problem with the slow pacing of the first book so I don't mind tencent 3B (30 or 26 ep) About the netflix 3BP: cramming 30 ep worth of content in 8 ep is hard. It was too slow and too fast at few places. It does let the audience breathe and doesn't let the audience think about the gravity of the situation. I think it would've been better if it was 10 ep instead. But I think they did a good job with adapting something that hard to translate on the screen. I would've liked it if the characters were not familiar with each other at the beginning and they slowly starts to bond. As it feels weird that all the saviours of the world knew each other and belonged to the same friend group. It reduces the scope of the series.

@OWlsfordshire

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, the friend group is my biggest complaint with the show. It makes it feel like a CW superhero teen show. So ridiculous that they all got picked as the saviours of the world.

@ChibaBanana

2 ай бұрын

@@OWlsfordshire Atleast its not as boring and sleep inducing like Tencent version. Media is suppose to be entertaining, not a propaganda or cringe compilation.

for people complaining about "forced diversity": if you walk into any western research lab you will see that those groups are quite diverse. As they are a mix of the smartest Phds from all over the world that got grants to work in those institutes. So this is not forced diversity. This is actually the realistic version of it. In the western world 50% of Phd graudates are women. I dont get the stereotypes argument either. How is Saul a black stereotype? Cause his character traits have nothing to do with race (he's a nihilist dude that only lives for the moment, but that loves and will protect his friends to death). Auggie I didnt even notice she was suppose to be latina until that village scene (and im latino). Her biggest character traits is being a genius with a similar moral dilema to Oppenheimer (how is that a latino stereotype?). I bet that the same people complaining about this are the same people who love The Departed without realizing or caring that the source material is asian.

@jasonjin5253

2 ай бұрын

Actually ur western research labs are majority Asian and Indian lol I understand ur point though in all honesty protect your friends lol I think you lost the plot, I guess it’s cultural difference in reading , u see want to protect friends chinese see pure hubris “for I would rather betray this world than let this world betray me”😂 the idea of this avengers get together against alien threat is actually the opposite of what the world view on how Chinese views humanity, it’s just different culturally

@dylanamaral1663

2 ай бұрын

While that's true in the western world, it is very different in the east (which is where the book takes place). But to take the main male character of the book and split his character up into 2 women is very much forced diversity. Forcing a character to fragment into other characters that are seen as "underrepresented" in film, like splitting an atom, is obvious, and unlike science its completely unnecessary/ pandering. The fact that the show substitutes time that should be allotted for slowing the pace down and letting scientific revelations breath, let the plot breath so we can feel the pressure of the unknown impending doom (which makes the book a masterclass)... but instead use the time for dialogue like accidentally misgendering someone (episode 1 funeral scene) and making sure the character backtracks the severity of her heinous and diabolical statement immediately in the middle of a serious conversation about their dead colleague. Then you get a random bar scene where they again, choose to use our precious time and their millions of dollars per episode to show us a dumb white guy assume women aren't smart while trying to hook up with the two characters that are supposed to represent 1 male character from the book. I had to reread that while typing but I just rewatched it and... yup. They then proceed to school the super dumb white male by proofing just how accomplished they are in their academic studies before rolling their eyes. This doesn't further the plot in a single beneficial way which is really disappointing given how rushed the story is for the show. There is 100 percent pandering and "wink wink nod nods" in this show and this incredible and timeless story suffers greatly from it. Although I'm not surprised since the writers are the same ones that forgot about a huge subplot in game of thrones until the last 3 episodes, undid a character arc from the books, then made a really shitty and poorly thought-out character the king (later seasons thought out).

@dlouc100

2 ай бұрын

It's not "forced diversity". From the perspective of the entire series and not just the first book it makes a lot more sense to make the change they did. Wang was only relevant to the first book. Replacing him with characters who remain relevant to the whole series makes perfect sense, and is the kind of simplifying many adaptations do. It works better, to be honest. The rest of what you bring up are things taken from the book, so why is it a problem that the show adapted those aspects? @@dylanamaral1663

@akeelyaqub2538

2 ай бұрын

Forced diversity is mostly an issue when shows/movies incorporate it into their script at the detriment of the story. 3 body problem did not do that at all but of course, the changes alone are enough to make anti woke alpha youtubers and their followers throw earthquake equivalent tantrums.

@xHarpyx

2 ай бұрын

hahahaha... "forced" diversity... ya'll are really just self reporting now huh?

I'm from Venezuela, and I was really curious to see how Manuel Rey Diaz was portrayed in the series, so I was a little disappointed when they removed it. But to be honest, it is the most logical decision, for several reasons. On the one hand, when Liu Cixin wrote the series, Hugo Chavez was still alive, and the author created a fictional character who imagined what a possible successor to Chavez could be. Nowadays, it is known who Chavez's successor was, who also ended up becoming a true dictator, and possibly the showrunners of the series wanted to avoid the political discussion that could arise from introducing this character, even if they kept him being the original Manuel Rey Díaz.

@peefly9566

2 ай бұрын

Manuel Rey Diaz is a very important wall facer，should not be deleted at all

@mwansamatimba2750

2 ай бұрын

Perhaps they interchanged the gender, maybe his the lady who fought ISIS in the Netflix version.

@arasgarib8525

2 ай бұрын

the character and their contribution to luo jis plan is still similar. I think using the kurdish fighter is also a good change considering their struggle against more advanced enemies.

@IronKurone

2 ай бұрын

I think the Chinese general is the new Manuel Rey Diaz, isnt he?

@mwansamatimba2750

2 ай бұрын

Diaz is more technical. I think the female among the Wallfacers is the one taking Diaz place. She's more technical. On another thought. The Netflix mixed up the character of Wang into 5 characters. So it is also possible that the character of Diaz was broken into those other two characters (the male and female wallfacers) apart from Saul. This makes sense because the other two Wallfacers apart from Diaz and Luo Ji, didn't make any significant difference, they died in the books

You are the very best thing on KZread I haven’t even started the series yet, although I did watch both Chinese series. I’m enjoying watching your critique before starting .

Dude, just found your channel a few weeks ago. Love your deep dives. Keep up the amazing work.

58:35 Dammm I completely forgot about that. That scene was so cool in the book, with the TriSolareans realizing they F*up and were about to be annihilated by the tiny civilization 😅

Just finished your mega compilation video- my lord.. well done. Really makes me want to read the series! I couldnt wait for the show to come out- and have just begun it- but so tempted to read it all now. Thanks for taking the time. So impressive.

Thanks as always for a great video. I was disappointed with the omission of Manuel Rey Diaz as his Wall Facer plan, his character , backstory and Humanity’s reaction to his plan was so intriguing and savage. Maybe his plan will be adapted to another of the Wall Facers in the next series though.

@peefly9566

2 ай бұрын

yes，Manuel Rey Diaz is a very key wall facer, I think Netflix deleted him because he was fighting with US🤣

@levischorpioen

2 ай бұрын

How do we know that's the Wallfacer they deleted? @@peefly9566

@njm2981

2 ай бұрын

I think Rey Diaz will be one of the adapted wallfacers. Bill Hines seems to be the one that was cut, though I hope the mental seal shows up in another context.

@emrahny

2 ай бұрын

They may put Rays role to Kurdish lady Leyla. Second season

@KabbalahSherry

2 ай бұрын

​@@njm2981- Meh, I don't think we need the mental seal tbh. 🤔 How crucial was that to the main story really?? How did it end up affecting anything, re: the San Ti??

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, that makes sense! The Sophon was bending the light... I was confused about why the cop couldnt see that guy murdered against the window

I liked how Netflix made Judgment Day a family cult ship unlike the ship filled with psychotic terrorists in the Tencent version. I believe Will Downing (Yun Tianming), from Season 2 to the Season Finale, will have the most interesting and saddest character arc like Cooper from Interstellar (a man who traverses into space but can never return home to Earth). Imagine if the first San-Ti entity Will meets is the pacifist who tries to tell Ye Wenjie to not reply.

@spamfilter32

2 ай бұрын

Yes, that makes the horror of it that much more traumatic for Dr. Salazar.

@ryankwon8785

2 ай бұрын

@@spamfilter32The San-Ti traumatized Auggie more so than the other Oxford Five. The aliens inadvertently killed her mentor, caused two of her friends to die, and forced her to give up her life's work. Plus, having her invention that is used to help people being turned into a weapon was the last straw. Auggie is similar to Andrew Wiggin's reaction in Ender's Game when he realized he participated in the genocide of an entire alien species before he learned there were survivors. Both didn't want to use their inherent talents and intelligence to commit murder on a massive scale (there were a thousand people on Judgment Day).

@vicvic2081

2 ай бұрын

I did not. It shows how Americans media is obsessed with bloody stuff.

@mwansamatimba2750

2 ай бұрын

Will will survive, the Santi will revive his body. He will definitely reunite with Chen Zing

@edgbarra

2 ай бұрын

We won't see the pacifist Santi. He betrayed them so you can imagine what they did to him

Thank you so much, Quinn, for your reviews. Also, Don't forget Ball Lightning is about Ding Yi's backstory and the official part of the 3 Body universe.

I really enjoyed the last 2 videos on this subject. Thank you for your hard work, Quinn!!

Love this. Makes me want to rewatch the whole series...midway now. You're so smart and thoughtful quin.

Including those paper boats is a nice foreshadowing.

They say PDC near the end. The detective guy protecting Saul says PDA or PD something and then the short liaison guy says that it's the PDC and the detective guy says PDC

This channel is the reason I got in the books, and it was worth the read even the spon off was good. Cheers and thank you for recommending these awesome sifi books 🎉

Saul was done right.. more intelligence more vices

@omnologos

2 ай бұрын

Are you trying to confess anything 😂

@DanielMunoz-ni7zz

2 ай бұрын

He’s definitely more likable and less douchey than Luo Ji

I thought about making a chart with book characters on the left and show characters on the right then connecting them with lines that define which aspects of each character translates into the respective counterpart with each line having a little snipped like "nanomaterial expert" on the line. I think this would help us keep track. There are some future aspects they are setting up such as a clear romantic connection between saul and auggie which we can predict how that will play out. But, I think this would be something Quinn would be much better at as well as having an audience to show that chart to.

I love your videos and you have convinced me to get the books, I enjoyed the tv series but after watching your videos I think the last 2 episodes hit better for book readers that understand the whole story, really looking forward to getting to read it and watch your other videos!

Thank you so much for the stream. It’s so hard to find something like this in Chinese internet, too many haters spamming false information.

Really liked this first season. I’m almost done reading Deaths End so I’m really glad I at least started the 3rd book before watching the season. If they adapt season 2 and 3 well it will be amazing! I hope Netflix doesn’t give up on it like they did with 1899!

@FigmentForever

2 ай бұрын

1899’s cancellation, after falling in love with Dark many years ago & being so obsessed with the husband/wife creator’s work, made me so viscerally angry. We better not lose 3BP too!

@CosmicCosmo1

2 ай бұрын

Or raised by wolves. I was really sad when they cancelled that one

@KabbalahSherry

2 ай бұрын

​@@CosmicCosmo1- Raised by Wolves wasn't Netflix, it was HBO Max. But I was super bummed about their cancelation too. 😒🔥 Really pissed me off.

@DDoubleEDouble

2 ай бұрын

@@FigmentForeverthe sad thing is I had only watched one episode of 1899 before I saw the news that it was cancelled so I didn’t bother watching any more. Also Dark is incredible!! I occasionally go back a binge the entire series

@KabbalahSherry

2 ай бұрын

​​​​@@DDoubleEDouble- Even though it never got any further seasons... 1899 was still REALLY good as just one individual season, no joke! I would finish it! It ends with a really dope twist that I didn't see coming. 😌 It was so cool.

I didn't know anything about the Three Body Problem; just took a chance watching the Netflix adaptation ... Totally hooked! Just did a marathon viewing and now I've been hooked learning more from your videos, Quinn! Thanks for all the insight!

Was JUST feinding for another video of yours on this book man. Thank goodness for this. Right on time

i didnt realize saul was luo gi until the car crash

The Netflix show is really good. They "globalized" a Chinese centric story without anything feeling forced or weird. Good representation without being preachy and unrealistic. I almost forgive them for the final seasons of the show who must not be named.

@SIQmai

2 ай бұрын

We shall never forget what they did the the lasr season of the show that who must not be named.

1:49:03 "That's when you start to lose me, Emperor Potato" This quote just made my list of the best things Quinn has ever said

Wow, thanks for putting together this long video. It was nice to listen to during a long work session.

I read the books and I like both versions. But your coverage has helped me to understand the American version. I didn't appreciate it on my first viewing I was confused trying to align the imagery with the text. But I love the American version a lot now.

This show made the mythos more accessible to the general audience. A literal adaptation would have been a disaster. People complain about everything. Forget them.

They began setting up Saul as Luo Ji right away in episode 1, with Saul mentioning that if you don't accomplish anything significant in science by a certain age, you never will. I felt that was an important line to build the character

They even included the French scientist who mocked Cheng Xin’s idea. Nice touch.

A FANTASTIC real-time presentation! A very talented man.

I hope season 2 starts with the San-TI POV scene from the end of book 1. When the pacifist technician receives the first message.

@KannabisMajoris

2 ай бұрын

That single pacifist implies so much about San Ti culture, it’s fascinating to me

Thanks for the deep dive Quinn and I love your channel and dedication to covering and discussing sci-fi in depth, especially as someone that doesn’t really have anyone else in their immediate life to discuss such things with.

dropping bangers constantly, love you long form content quinn

Only Americans would be upset about the cursing. FFS.

@jamesgornall5731

2 ай бұрын

For sure. Unreal, given how violent most Hollywood content is.

@henryneubert7798

2 ай бұрын

I'm a German and I found the cursing a bit too much as well. I'm not upset, but I don't know people who would talk like that. The dialogue felt wooden for me, and that made the cursing feel forced.

Really Liked the show. Worth the watch. I haven't read the books but leaned everything about the story through your videos.

@greg.peepeeface

2 ай бұрын

I'm hoping to learn how they were able to produce the VR headsets, and can the San-Ti-Trisolaran's see into the future? (the countdowns are based on future moments).

@M4rt1nX

2 ай бұрын

@@greg.peepeeface I assumed that the Trisolaran's shared the technology to create the VR-Game because it was convenient for them.

@greg.peepeeface

2 ай бұрын

@@M4rt1nX yeah, I thought that too, because they are all working together (ETO), but if I shared technology with primitive people, they wouldn’t be able to create or produce it.

@Meilk27

2 ай бұрын

@@M4rt1nXi also only know the story from quinn. are the tri solarians the same people as the san-ti?

@M4rt1nX

2 ай бұрын

@@Meilk27 Yes, they are originally called San-ti in the Chinese version and Trisolaran's in the translated books.

Thanks for all these great videos, and for all your hard work. You helped to reignite my love of sci-fi. I'm so excited for this show. Wishing ya all the best.

Love your work, Quinn. So glad you're sharing your ideas

it's so wierd to complain its not exactly like the book, ive never seena good adaption that is exactly like the books, different mediums require different changes, LOTR is a great example.

You "spoiled" the whole thing for me long before now. If you hadn't I don't know that I would have watched it. It was great. I think I am finally going to read it.

I saw the show last week and went down a rabbit hole with your videos and you putting out a new video makes me so happy!!!!!! ❤️❤️❤️

Probably the most difficult thing for me to understand is the way they tried to assassinate Saul. With all the power of the sophons, the best they could do was a failed attempt to run him over by a car? If they can manipulate electronics why not send a fighter jet to drop a bomb on him or something more efficient? Also sending a human sniper after they showed us they can change the sky, transmit messages on all the electronic devices on Earth at the same time, making people kill themselves by projecting visions... This just doesn't make any sense to me.

@stephyworld8713

2 ай бұрын

In the book, they try to make it look like a freak car accident as to not attract attention to the fact that the SanTi wants him gone. The more people know he a target, the more people will wonder why and the more chances that whatever secret/info Ye Wenjie communicated to Saul becomes known. But that's before the UN make him a Wallfacer. Once he becomes a Wallfacer they are desperate to kill him by any means.

The sci-fi book fan meltdowns lately surrounding both Dune (where I am familiar with the source material) and now this show (where I haven't gotten around to the source material yet) are hilarious.

I think they improved on the books they made more about the characters than the books are, human interactions and relationships, which is necessary on a tv show.

Your doing great and the vids have been very helpful especially with the theoretical sciences discussed inside. And yes, ETO, does need a deep dive

I really like your take on the show, very considered and fair. For instance, you mentioned the music and it is superb. The undertow of mounting dread it conveys in certain scenes...

Wow mannn prepared a PowerPoint😆😆😆But yea avid trilogy lover and I love the Netflix show! What I love the most is that when talking to non book readers on Reddit, I find that most of their questions have answers in the show, addressed in later books, or explained by common sense. Wouldn’t watch the Tencent one anytime soon tho. If I had the time I’ll just listen to the audio book or read it again😅

@talisa222

2 ай бұрын

This is so sad to hear as the Tencent one was great and in my opinion such a better companion to the books than the Netflix series, which is enjoyable but hardly hit the notes that made me go a little crazy for the 3BP series. The actors in the Tencent one were amazing. Oh, well.

Don’t get why they went to great lengths to assassinate Saul but why didn’t a Sophon just take down his plane? We saw this was possible when they toyed with Wade on the plane at the end. Also, a Sophon obviously hacked the cars that tried to run over Saul. Plot armor just when he is flying?

@zando5108

2 ай бұрын

Because Dashi was with him obviously!

@Jaydee-wd7wr

2 ай бұрын

I don’t think it is possible, the plane was probably an illusion.

@stephyworld8713

2 ай бұрын

The sophons are not all mighty but that's a legit question like why don't they try harder to kill him? In the books the TriSolareans uses ETO to assassinate Luo Ji (Saul) and they don't want to draw too much attention to him (hence freak car accident) but that fails so they let ETO try more direct attempts.

@lazul6611

2 ай бұрын

@@zando5108 Da Shi is a talisman against a Sophon sabotaging an airplane to make it crash?

@andruboine

2 ай бұрын

I looked at that as all an illusion.i don't think they can physically do anything but illusions

Videos you made about the book is what led me to your channel and the book. Keep up the great work man.

Best deep dive into the books and comparisons with the show so far! Thank you so much for your insights and hard work!

I'd be smoking weed too if I was a Wallfacer. All I could find. So much I'd make Matthew McConnaghy a honorary Wallfacer..

My only complain is that saul is too much a normal guy for me. In the books the character was a crazy lazy guy that was gifted with great imagination and later evolved into something he never wanted to be just because he had to

@TheTinKunt

2 ай бұрын

I’m pretty frustrated with your comment because at this point in time he is EXACTLY like the guy in the book. In personality anyway. I don’t even understand your comment. You want the show to show us some cheesy daydreams of some unimportant character at this time ? What ? You’d lose the audience immediately

@Kraken9911

2 ай бұрын

No one seems to remember that Luo was borderline schizophrenic. He dumped an actual girl to date an imaginary girl and even went on a road trip date with her. Saul is definitely more balanced.

The only part of the show I could not stand was about 99% of Eliza Gonzalez's screen time.

Thankyou! Gonna watch it this weekend! 😊

I think Netflix completely failed to present the "paranoia" feeling that was quite present in the books. Sophons in the Chinese TV Series were shown pretty neatly, simply drone shots, but "if you know, you know" kind of thing. It's absent from the Netflix version, the total nightmare of the "Dark Forest" and all.

Yes, it‘s clear that both series are adaptations, but the target audience is different, so dont be mad, just enjoy.

Thank you, Quinn -- You introduced so many of us to Three Body long before it became popular. I expect Liu Cixin probably follows your channel. 😀

Great listen. Thank you. Helps me better understand the books.

I will dehydrate until season 2

I think a big reason a lot of people are saying the things like the paper boats and staircase project and all that weren't in the book, is because they don't realize that this season contains parts from all three books, and those things are all in the third book, so I'd bet a lot of people just haven't gotten there yet.

Thank you Quin! I got into your channel for the Dune content(obviously), read the first book on your recommendation, literally in a few days and before the Netflix series started. Loved the first book, and I wholeheartedly agree with you about the Netflix series. The changes were necessary for a western audience, and were good. I liked that the show started with the cultural revolution, which is such an important part of Ye Wenjie's character and history. I am also happy that they brought aspects of the other two books into the first season. I have something to look forward to in the books and really looking forward to the next season(s) of the show.

Love your videos! Especially bingeing your 3 body problem series, after the Netflix show! Keep up the great work! 🎉❤

I'm a smoker. In the show smoking is a BRILLIANT subtle way to constantly highlight humanities self destructive nature.

The Netflix version is very different from the Tencent version, with the Tencent version being more suspenseful, but they both captured the essence of the horror of the original book. The Netflix version's characters weren't as endearing as Tencent's were for me, but they weren't bad and I did grow to care about them by ep 6. Will and Jack were my favourite characters in the Netflix version and Jack's death made me feel sad. And Will... man I really got attached to him. I feel like the universe winking scene was better in Tencent's version than in Netflix's, and sometimes the cgi is a bit rough in Netflix's version. Netflix's version did dumb down the science more to be accessible to more general audiences, but I still think people can understand the main principles in the Netflix version and that's great bc now my family's able to understand what's going on lol. Overall, while I really liked the Netflix and Tencent versions, I personally I still like Tencent's more. My mom and brother love the Netflix version more though.

@jrbethke

2 ай бұрын

Absolutely agree. The Netflix version seems like a cheap, loosely integrated and poorly adapted Western characterization. All the greatness of the book has been lost. There is no dread, no existential crisis that feels palpable or emergent . It’s rushed and the characters are shallow with no real connection with the plot. It’s a complete letdown. Stick with the book and the Tencent version.

@RonOnTheWay

2 ай бұрын

​​@@jrbethke but you don't agree.... You just want to trash it.

I’ve already spoiled myself all the plot points. I really enjoy hearing your thoughts personally and exposition of the whole series. I cannot wait to read this great work after I finish season 1. You’ve birthed a love into a new series for me- can’t wait to see these books on my shelf!

Still watching the video but small correction. Ep 3 starts with Lord Shiva, in his Nataraja form. Kali is the Goddess of Death, Shiva is the destroyer. That statue depicts Shiva’s dance which he does every cycle which destroys the universe so it will be reborn anew for the next cycle. So it’s actually very poignant to future themes in the series. Edit: Oh he was corrected soon after. I’m leaving my comment just for the second part and how it might be relevant to later themes in the series.

I think people have forgotten that while D&D wrecked the ending of GoT they are also the same people that made the early seasons. And the main difference? The early seasons had the book source material to work with. D&D strike me as much better at adapting than they are creating, and given that Remembrance of Earth's past is a finished story I think we're actually in pretty safe hands with this adaptation.

@praiha

2 ай бұрын

And on GoT they did a great job writing scenes that weren't in the books, because POV characters weren't present. With Littlefinger and Varys especially. You could argue that their version of Jon Snow is pretty different from the books, but this time they are avoiding direct comparisons by changing names and mixing stuff up a bit.

It was 10 times worse than Netflix's adaption about what really happened during the cultural revolution. My grandpa was jailed for 20 years over something so small and my uncle almost died during the actual gun fights of killing each other, they were only 15,16 years old!!!! Excellent adaptation, my opinion.

@AndrewGallagher1968

2 ай бұрын

This story is about humanity. Not just China’s history. I think the first 10 min of episode 1 really tells that story well.

@rufangzhao555

2 ай бұрын

@@AndrewGallagher1968 agree with you

@henryneubert7798

2 ай бұрын

May I ask you what your grandpa was jailed for? I'm currently reading about that period of Chinese history and it's really bizarre and saddening.

@rufangzhao555

2 ай бұрын

@@henryneubert7798 he went to a university and not be able graduate and my grandma sold her jewelries to buy him a diploma. And then got a very low level official post in a small town near Shanghai (Ting lin 亭林) ，but he was more of a womanizer instead of a lower level official taking care of government functions. He didn't commit any evil doing other than breaking my grandma's heart by chasing other women. After 1949 he was sent to a jail in JiangXi(江西) province for twenty years until 1979,when the exonerating process began under the reformists who took power inside of CCP. And his sister and her husband died after CCP confiscated their house, land and shops even though their two kids (a daughter and a son were in ccp organization), they were labeled as blood suck landlords, both committed suicide. And my grandmother was dumped by my grandpa and he took money, rice away from her to feed his new family. Therefore my grandmother became dirt poor. Because of that she was lucky to be on the "good side" and dodged the fanatic movement to erraticat the rich class like landlords, shop owners. They were simply shot or beaten to death like in that movie "To Live" by director Zhang Yimo. CCP also starevd more than 25 millions of people during so called "three years of natural famine" when the weather conditions were perfect for agriculture according to weather records during 1959 to 1962.

@rufangzhao555

2 ай бұрын

@@henryneubert7798 CCP altered the history and did heavy brain wash with small children. I attended to many ridiculous political meetings with my grandma. When I was 15 years old my mom one day told me her father got out of jail and wanted to see her. The adults were still so scared so they were whispering. They decided against that because I was going to take college exams next year. If one had "black five types" relatives then one's future would be effected. I was angry that my mom and grandma choosed not to tell me in time. My personal awakening started around I was 15. 1990 less than one year later after the 1989 massacre of students in Tian an men square I left China for USA and never looked back.

Thanks for shining a light on this book series and its related media. Really excellent stuff. I might not have found it otherwise. I'm in your debt.The show's been great so far!

Thanks, Quinn! Super informative, good refresher for us who've read WIkipedia's synopsis but not the book :)

Ye Wenjie‘s backstory is not close to the book. 1. Bai mulin is not her lover and Bai just set up her for the silent spring things. 2. Yang weining is her husband and yang dong / vero ye is their daught. Yang weining never take credit from Ye's work. 3. Ye wenjie is kind of a failed idealist, but in netflix show she become a total traitor. that's a big change and misinformation.

I didn't like the first book and I didn't like the tencent version but I loved the Netflix show. Watching the show made me buy the 2nd and 3rd books!

Thanks great video I really enjoyed the presentation!

When the one guy who designed the human computer gives Jin and rooney the middle fingers. Made me think they're players too, didn't get that feeling in the book. A small change that was good

Hey Quinn! Love your channel and content! I think the Chinese version gave themselves enough episodes to actually flesh out the story.