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@DIDI.TITI777

2 ай бұрын

If I may, I live in China and I work in the film industry. I talked with many Chinese professionals, they pretty much all share your views on the Netflix tv series.

@EzraPoundForPound

2 ай бұрын

I just subscribed. You have amazing and most informative videos. The soundtrack and video background with the narration is just great and calming. Even your voice relaxes me. Actually, this is better than meditation plus you learn something.

@user-qc9un1kq1v

2 ай бұрын

Even though I agreed Netflix offered us a good show, I have mixed feeling about this version’s Ye Wenjie….Ye Wenjie being such an important and complex character in thw 1st book… she became an angry Chinese old lady from China Town rather than a famous physicist/ scientist as stated on the book… the acting of both younger and older version of YWJ are so paper-thin… lack of substance … I actually appreciate the Tencent version of both YWJ actors. The incense burning part… the monks in the funeral are so stereotypical… and the Oxford 5… made the world so tiny all of a sudden… all key characters all of a sudden became classmates… quite unsure of this arrangement to be honest…

@tupp001

2 ай бұрын

I live in Hong Kong a British expat. Loved the books and bought the TENCENT subscriiption. Largest project ever under taken. Like I state below loved it but carried a lot of the same character flaws as the book. The Cop the only real standout character. TENCENT would not greenlight S2 and then S3 with the same comittment. Only a spin off maybe. This pointed to Hardcore fans like myself getting through all the episode and the average chinese viewer falling off after a few episodes. NETFLIX I was worried on multiple fronts. Not chinese focus, woke politics of ticking boxes, dumming down the concepts in favour of CGI effects and United States centric. What we got was so much better for visual media. Using the UK instead of the US worked. The Cop Chinese but born in Manchester, awesome. Combing characters into a small group with inter personal relationships worked and came across well. I understand the critisim of the Oxford 5 shrinking the world build, but it really helped move the story along. Otherwise exposition would slow it down and take 12 episodes. This series allows my wife to watch along. The team need with the next 8episodes to do the same thing. CGI etc but also subtlely build the fear. That's the scary part of Book2, its not obvious but dawns on you why DARK FOREST and feels the fucking best explantion to the Fermi Paradox ones ever heard of. Pulling of Book3 is gonna be a stretch but I hope they do it. Who knows this may open the way to other impossible titles that I'd never thought get made and I liked...

@lasduo6146

Ай бұрын

I strongly recommend you to watch the Three Body Problem series by Tencent, which amazed me a lot. It is more loyal to the original novel, and in my view and many Chinese people, it is way much better than Netflix version. The plot of the first episodes might be moving slowly, but trust me, you will fall in love with it in the end. Netflix version adapted the story too much, and it’s more like a fan-made derivative work. It has been adapted into a story more suitable for American people, similar to many other US TV shows that about a small group of elite people saving the world. This kind of adaptation loses some key character’s ideas and experiences, simplifying their motivations and flattening each character into a mono-dimensional figure. It feels like a show designed to provide a quick entertainment and short-time thrills, sacrificing much of the original work’s spiritual core, the humanistic concerns and so on.

The only review that matters.

@hugowashere8

2 ай бұрын

Agreed 100%

@GlossRabban

2 ай бұрын

​@@traveler263 Oh my God! people actually caring about people, and don't give a f..k who f..ks who (as long as they are consenting adults) etc. etc. The Audacity 😱

@lowsyawe

2 ай бұрын

​@@traveler263 do you people sign a cult like document that states you must type this in at least one comment section a day or something? lol

@MrSyphon28

2 ай бұрын

Agreed!

@dhimankalita1690

2 ай бұрын

Shut up weirdo

5 hours ago I told friends that what the Netflix series lacks is Quinn's discussion of the ideas.

@harriehausenman8623

2 ай бұрын

Wouldn't be the first time that Quinn is more entertaining than the source material 😄

@AD-lh3jk

2 ай бұрын

Istg he works fast, literally was checking in just out of curiosity and found this published already Massive props to him

@clemz9013

2 ай бұрын

Facts for real lol​@@harriehausenman8623

@abishaichileshe7093

2 ай бұрын

Started checking for Quinn’s video immediately after finishing the series

@kevintyrrell9559

2 ай бұрын

I am currently reading the Frank Herbert - Dune books and am almost finished Heretics of Dune, with Chapterhouse : Dune left. And I was wondering what sci-fi saga to pick up next...and viola...here it is. Going to have to be these books and Im really looking forward to them after watching the Netflix series over the weekend 😁👍😁

I genuinely didn’t bother nor did I care about anyone else’s review of this show but yours. As far as I’m concerned you’re easily one of the best (if not the best) creators when it comes to the analysis and breakdown of sci-fi topics and stories. Thank you for all your hard work, it’s great to see your channel’s growth well-deserved success. Excellent review!

@swagleo7414

Ай бұрын

Your nose has a little brown on it. *sniff* ooohhh you had your nose up this dudes butt while you were kissing it lolzzzz

@igiem368

Ай бұрын

Amen to this

I read the books because of your channel several months ago, now i watched the first episode, and i just needed to come here to see your reaction, thanks! You did not disappoint.

@soccercrazed13

Ай бұрын

Same, I got into the books because of this channel.

@yasglas

29 күн бұрын

Me too

cixin liu is like arthur c clarke , he dont give a shit about individual characters. its about big ideas.

@TheFireGiver

2 ай бұрын

Most hard scifi is like that. Turns out nerds aren't great with people

@AD-lh3jk

2 ай бұрын

Huh, I never thought of it this way before 😅

@davethepants

2 ай бұрын

that sadly doesn't work as a tv serial. my wife likes this very much and that's a sign they did a good job making it more personal

@1183newman

2 ай бұрын

true, most of his characters are poorly realized and lack any sort of physical description.

@Mindcrow

2 ай бұрын

You want hard SciFi that doesn't skimp on the characters read Blindsight.

Sooo happy to see Sir Davos in this series bc he's a fantastic actor

@SecretSaucey

2 ай бұрын

I am so impressed by the acting. Will Downing. Tatiana being so cold and creepy, but vulnerable in her scenes. But I can’t get enough of the red guard, I felt so angry and sad for her “But who will repent for me?”. I wish she gets major roles in future shows.

@antonycharnock2993

2 ай бұрын

Its a GoT reunion plus every other British tv actor. Steven Gatiss, Reece Shearsmith as Newton & Turing and Adrian Edmondson as Auggies boss. It's just a shame they got rid of John Bradley so quickly.

@duncanmagee

2 ай бұрын

thats ser to you

@itsnothimorisit

2 ай бұрын

I thought the character was cringe at time and not well written.

@tayy000

2 ай бұрын

@@itsnothimorisit cool, i like his acting even tho script wasn't perfect

The second I finished binging the show - Binged your channel all over again. The only opinion that I wanted. and I'm glad we share it.

I’m so glad I found your channel. I hope the algorithm picks up on your greatness, because you deserve it!

Netflix should hire you as a consultant for the future seasons!

@MikePhoenix007

Ай бұрын

Seconded!

@oshima85

Ай бұрын

Totally! Let's push for this to happen!

@evelina733

Ай бұрын

Thirded 😃👍

@bravenizer

Ай бұрын

Agree

@alexco621

Ай бұрын

Agree 💯%

Before listening to your review, I had a hard time making sense out of comments I've read and heard from people who haven't read all three books. I've read all three books twice, but I very mistakenly thought (going into this series) that if one read the first book, it would be enough. I now realize it's better to have read all three books, or to have read none of them, rather than to have read just one book, in order to keep an open mind about the series. Thank you for the review.

@roroxthegreat

2 ай бұрын

so the show spoils all three books? im halfway through the second one.

@type3gaming851

2 ай бұрын

​​​@@roroxthegreatYou should be fine if you are already halfway through the second book.

@lain1252

2 ай бұрын

@@roroxthegreat No, some scenes from the beginning of the second and third books are shown but nothing that is major/surprising enough to be a spoiler

@ha-kh7ef

2 ай бұрын

@@roroxthegreat basically they show things that are in the same timeline. they introduced characters and story that were written physically later in the books but they are chronically in the same timeline.

@roroxthegreat

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for letting me know guys! Ill go enjoy the show

This was (imo) the best possible way to adapt this series. Cheng jin is the main character of Rememberence of Earth's Past. Having her relatively unchanged and surronding her with characters based on characters from the book works. None of these characters interact in the books, which is fine in boom form, but on the screen where things like facual expressions and reactions are important you need characters to actually interact with eachother. I would argue this adaptation is a strict improvement over the book. It captures every major beat without skipping anything. Tianming is so much better, introducing him at the start and having him actually talk to Cheng Xin makes way more sense. Luo Ji's character is instantly recognizable. Wang Miao was barely a character, so writing an entirely new one to take his place makes sense, even if she can be annoying at times (I understand how she feels even if I dont agree with her actions). Jack Rooney replaces a character that has one conversation with Tianming and is never seen again, but here he adds comic relief as well as a vector for the audience to understand the game being a video game nerd himself. The scenes that deal.woth Ye Wenje's past are beautifully done and have some of the best acting in the show. I like that Ye Wenje and her story is almost completely unchanged from the books, and her actors captured the character perfectly. People forget just how good Game of Thrones was when D&D had material to adapt. Can't wait for the "red wedding" moment in season 2, book readers probably know what Im talking about. 💧

@christiangonzales5579

Ай бұрын

Loved your analysis to the video above. As a non-book-reader, I LOVED the show but wanted to know what the book readers thought.

@sws212

Ай бұрын

The story could've done without them all being best friends, they could've intervened at later points even if the connection was Ye Wenjie. I think it's fine introducing all the characters at once but they reduced the scale significantly when the main characters are just one core group vs something that should been a global scale. They definitely changed Ye Wenjie a bit; some good like there's being actual relationship built there between her and her daughter who's barely mentioned in the later half and some okay like her killing her superiors, but overall, they did well especially the casting. As interesting as the second book is, I really doubt it'll be made. The first season cost them around 160mm from different sources, easily one of their most expensive project and it didn't really hit better numbers than other shows that got canned like 1899 which had half the budget.

@WadeAllen001

Ай бұрын

@@sws212 Yeah I totally agree: making the main roles primarily characters from a single friend group severely reduces the scale of the story. In the books the main roles were all much more disconnected from one another, especially from book to book. With this cast of characters who will probably remain through the whole show, it'll feel more like "a (awfully convenient) gang of friends vs aliens" rather than "humanity vs aliens."

@juanpablosanchezaveleyra6454

29 күн бұрын

You mean that the book also treats science as a superpower that some people possess above and beyond anyone else and they alone can develop nanofibers and nuclear powered propulsion planning without any team or peer review? And that it also is as convoluted as to make them all friends as If reality only turned around 6 friends? And ironically takes the concept of the complexity of the three body interaction problem as the essence of thr show and then proposes a strategy using 3 people with unlimited power that do not know what each other is doing and they just hope they won't interfere with each other, creating literally a 3 body problem? This series seemed to me like another teenager narcissistic self insert story that pretends to be deep and intellectuall. It is based in very interesting concepts and the main idea is genius, but the performance... o really hoped that was all D&Ds fault and that the book was better.

@juanpablosanchezaveleyra6454

29 күн бұрын

​@@WadeAllen001Yes! It feels as if it was the avengers of science vs aliens, as if science was a mutation or a super power that only some teenage friends had and everyone else was dumb.

i love your reviews so much, theyre so insightful and mindful of different factors and medias when it comes to adaptations vs books. I started following you after seeing your area X vids and am now thoroughly enjoying your dune series and I cant wait to hear more of your analyses on three body problem and its sequels!

The show blew my mind (almost) every episode. I instantly ordered the books. Im reading book one while slowly re-watching season 1. I'm hooked. I have lots of theories about what is coming. All I can say is PLEASE HURRY UP and bring us season 2 !!

@caelblanch2737

2 ай бұрын

Could you write some of your theories please. Im curious about what you’re thinking

@Grevlain

2 ай бұрын

@@caelblanch2737 I can write a few. Everyone please know I have only seen the show and read the first few chapters of book one. These are guesses. I think the brain in space will be picked up by something and that character will return. The failure might have even been faked for some reason. I think the Wallfacers and a few other main characters will all jump through time using cryo freezing, so we will have them through the 400 years. The San-Ti are showing their hand by targeting very specific things. Nanotech fibers, particle accelerators, and even going after Saul are all clues that they have good reason to fear them. (Those are a few of my ideas.)

@adamsmeltzer9959

2 ай бұрын

@@Grevlain You’re in for such an AMAZING ride with the books! Personally book 2 is my favorite but it’s really personal choice whether 2 or 3 is going to be your favorite. The world expands in ways you can’t even imagine! Have fun when you see the Droplet! 🫡

@Grevlain

2 ай бұрын

@@adamsmeltzer9959 Thanks Adam! And thank you for not spoiling anything. Im so happy to have found this story and show. I feel like a kid again with good thick Arthur C Clarke/Ben Bova-ish sci fi.

@XYouVandal

2 ай бұрын

Please read the books, there is so much more depth

The only review I was eagerly expecting. Before watching, I gotta say I read the books and actually enjoyed the Netflix show.

@verynick

2 ай бұрын

Ugh I’m still holding on watching it lol what makes you like the show?

@Purpleturtlehurtler

2 ай бұрын

​@verynick liked it because they streamlined a lot of plot and characters by having the protagonists know and care about each other while also setting up payoffs that the books didn't have as a result. I know not everyone will like it, but my wife now wants to read the series after two episodes. That's a win in my book. 🎉

@trazyntheinfinite9895

2 ай бұрын

​@@verynickhe liked that it got dumbed down to interpersonal drama.

@wayneeicher5483

2 ай бұрын

Same. I thought they adapted it very well for west audiences

@SecretSaucey

2 ай бұрын

@@verynickI also loved the books and loved the TV adaptation. They had to make changes to make it flow better for TV, but the overall theme and struggles and crises are there so in my opinion it didn’t miss the point. Haters will hate and supporters will support, but don’t listen to people hating on others’ opinion. Everyone is entitled to it.

I binged watched the entire season today and OMFG. WOW. I'm telling everyone about it. So good. Smart decisions. It really sticks to the spirit if not the letter. Absolutely love it, and can't wait for season 2. It's trending #2 worldwide and i'm hoping people strap in!

@ladc-lantreducyborg831

Ай бұрын

It's #1 in France since release. I really hope there will be seasons 2 & 3. Hope it wont be cancelled like 1899 with similar audiences...

@da47934

Ай бұрын

Same here. I watched it over 2 days. I really hope they do a second season (and have a good enough budget to make it just as good).

@MMOplayeerr

Ай бұрын

Idk, I am at episode 4 and I kinda started not liking It. Some characters are very stupid but mainly my problem is that the show doesnt remember what it said 1 episode ago, theres no consistency. The first message from the aliens is from a PACIFIST who says, DO NOT ANWSER, because his/her race will conquer Earth. After that, the show portrays the aliens as, if they didnt want to totally conquer humanity, until Mike tells the story of the wolf and red hood. Which is a metaphor for aliens and humans. The Aliens lie and want to conquer and the humans wait the aliens with hugs and love... And the alien says, they dont understand lying bla bla bla... The aliens also have something like a hive mind? They communicate with thoughts and feel together or something like this was stated. But they somehow have an invidual pacifist??? HOW? This show really enraged me now and I dont know how so many people cant see such big glaring issues.

@da47934

Ай бұрын

​​​@@MMOplayeerr​​​ I totally agree about the inconsistencies. Another is that the aliens are super deceptive (making their particle accelerator experiments yield wrong results and scrubbing video recordings) yet they don't understand lying? (EDIT: Reading your comment, turns out you already mentioned this.) Why doesn't that frustrate me? It's not that I didn't see the problems. It's that I like other aspects enough to forgive it (style, characters, science concepts, production quality, performances). We all have different thresholds for what we're willing to overlook, and I guess I'm pretty lenient. I'm not a hardcore "hard" sci-fi fan, but I imagine that most of the book's readers are, and I would imagine such inconsistencies would be just too much. (After all, science is all about ruthless consistency; if you're into that in real science, you probably won't accept anything less in a story about science.) I totally understand and respect that. Are the book's aliens consistent in these ways that the show's aren't?

@da47934

Ай бұрын

@@MMOplayeerr I replied but the comment seems to be gone. In short, I noticed those inconsistencies too (first they're coming to conquer, then they're refugees hoping to be accepted, then they're coming to conquer, now they're letting tech solutions proceed anyway). So why did I still like the show? Because the characters, style, performances, intrigue/mystery, production quality were all so good (in my opinion) that I was willing to forgive them. But I can totally understand and respect someone else (especially a fan of "hard" sci-fi) not being ok with them.

Quinn, it's funny but I haven't follow 3BP at all, but the moment I saw it being showcased on Netflix, I immediately thought of you. It's because of how much you sold the books, I figured I would give it a shot. Before I knew it, I binged watched the entire season in a day. I am looking forward to Season 2!

I began reading (listening... audio books) the Three Body Problem because of your videos covering it, and was immediately hyped when I saw the Netflix trailers. I immediately began proselytizing the show to my friends, and got all my roommates to sit down and watch it with me, all because I saw some random KZread video talk about one of the most existentially terrifying sci-fi stories ever. So to hear your relatively glowing review of the show is affirming, to say the least. I finished The Dark Forest the day before, so I was a little lost with the Staircase project and Wade, but I'm excited to get that started, and have plenty of time before season 2. Thanks again for sharing your love for this series to the world. You made at least one fan out of me. :D

@Snakedoc7170

2 ай бұрын

As a fellow “listener” of books, I dream of a day when we can just say “reading” without feeling the need to specify, as if listening is any less of a legitimate way to consume books. (I say that lightheartedly, mainly as a joke.. just incase that wasn’t clear) I’m super jealous of your proselytizing skills because I’ve been unable to convince any of my friends to read or watch the series. Which is why I’m now in this comment section replying to comments because omg I’ve gotta talk to someone about this show!! Lol

@omgkthxbi

2 ай бұрын

Quinn is a GOAT for this lol. I got into his videos for Dune lore which led to me seeing his Three Body Problem videos, I bought the books and got my husband into them. I probably would've skipped this show completely if it weren't for Quinn!

@fuzzywuzzy318

2 ай бұрын

I read the Chinese version 2013

@ivsciguy

2 ай бұрын

I loved the first audiobook version that was slightly westernized with Luke Daniels reading it, but then from the second book onward they switched to a different narrator and a more literal translation and I just couldn't get into it.

@bittertruthnavin

2 ай бұрын

they leave in peace, if you are wondering that's the endgame of the story. humans create separate dimension initially to develop weapon, the dimension that aliens can't snoop but eventually, they'll co-exist. Not sure how many seasons they're going to drag this to come to that end line story.

I did like that they more smoothly interwoove Ye Wenjies story into the over all story instead of dumping most of it right in the beggining.

@richlisola1

2 ай бұрын

I want the Chinese perspective. On Netflix, not these boring characters

@cleebe6905

2 ай бұрын

@@richlisola1 You have the 30 chapter Tencent series for that.

@gerdsfargen6687

2 ай бұрын

​@cleebe6905 So, what is the Tencent series? I've been reading about it in comments, and have no idea about it. I've not read the books and have only started watching the series

@paranormaldoctor5451

2 ай бұрын

oh yes i agree, it was such a pain getting invested into a story and then boom, here you go B plot for 50 pages, you get invested into that and then boom, C plot.

@Valaloki

2 ай бұрын

​@gerdsfargen6687 the Tencent series is available on Viki and Peacock (both need subs) and as far as i know the first three episodes are free on youtube and viki. It is a very faithful retelling of the first book though it is not flawless. I highly recommend it.

Quinn, you opened my eyes for these books like a couple of years ago. Having read them and now watched the show i completely agree that Netflix actually did a good job in season 1 here. The chinese series were definitely way too long and slow paced. I love how you make videos about 3BP or Dune and in couple of years some studio decides to make a movie or a show about it. Thank you GOAT ❤

I was surprised how how good of a job Netflix did with this. I was expecting another dumpster fire, tbh. It captures the beats of the books, character motivations, scale, and stakes pretty well. I'm looking forward to season two!

@emperormouse5487

Ай бұрын

I’m gonna go so far as to say that I actually kinda like the Netflix adaption more than the book 😬. It definitely toned down some of the science exposition but sometimes those parts in the book dragged a little for me. I also love the changes they made with the characters and it feels more like a narrative whereas the book sometimes came off a little too stiff and technical.

@utkarshsarkar839

Ай бұрын

​@@emperormouse5487Tianming's character,or Will in the show was the best part for me. Every episode you got to see a little glimpse of him and when everyone is panicking, going crazy, trying to come up with ideas. He has learnt about his terminal illness and he's watched his close ones die, his story felt so grounded,he has accepted his end and is disconnected from everything else happening.

@user-us3xi7se5b

Ай бұрын

This was my reaction to the Chinese series. Actually good production and CGI at the end, even the VR scenes weren't that bad all things considered. I ended up binging 30 episodes in 2 days. Now, someone give me a reason to watch the Netflix one.

@emperormouse5487

Ай бұрын

@@user-us3xi7se5b the Netflix one doesn’t completely butcher Ye Wenjie’s backstory which is a huge reason for her doing what she did. Also generally just seems higher quality. Better acting, directing, production design. The changes made from the book actually make sense and I think make it better in ways. It’s also a more holistic take on the 3 body series introducing important elements from all 3 books in a way that makes more sense when you’re watching a show. The tencent production just seemed unnecessarily longer than it needed to be and less faithful to the actual theme of the story and novel- despite being more faithful of an adaptation in that it didn’t really change or split the (admittedly poorly written) characters from the book in any meaningful way. The Netflix version in terms of “faithfulness” may not be the one for you if that’s what your looking for, but I actually thought it did the impossible and made one of my favorite sci fi story’s of all time even better- namely by splitting the book protagonist into several different people and making them all genuinely likeable and relatable people.

@user-us3xi7se5b

Ай бұрын

@@emperormouse5487 You've convinced me good sir. I guess I don't have to worry about the split. I just looked it up. Did they really take my favorite character and name him Clarence Shi? Please tell me they didn't ruin his character.

I just finished watching the entire first season in an entire day. I had never heard of this book until I stumbled on your channel not that long ago where you made a video about it. Thank you for introducing me to this fantastic series and maybe I'll delve deeper and read the books one day. As someone who's never read the books I can only speak for the show itself but I'm in awe of this entire story and looking forward to next season. Final thoughts, before I end my long winded thank you comment I want to say that there are several key moments that stood out to me the most. Number one when we see a very young Ye Wenjie re-encounters the woman who slaughtered her father and asks if she would repent, I feel that is the moment where her mind was made about humanity because the young woman, even with a missing hand felt no remorse for killing Ye Wenzie's father. In fact it seems like because of Ye Wenzie's intellect she despised her even more. The second instance was the very brutal and graphic boat scene, the cold calculation of being shred apart by an invisible attacker that has zero compassion for children, it's only purpose is to eliminate anything and anyone. That very moment made me question humanity as well from the Alien's perspective. Last but not least, Ji Wenzie's conversation with Saul. I know that her "joke" has a far deeper meaning and I'm very excited to see the implications of that very important conversation. What an absolute banger of a show and I knew the instant I finished watching the very last scene I needed to come and hear your perspective and to share my thoughts as well. God's speed and be well.

@Henbot

2 ай бұрын

The books are all out so if you want no spoilers you better avoid his videos because he covered the whole book series

@NoeAnton

2 ай бұрын

The books are amazing, specially the second book.

@mabaker

2 ай бұрын

The ideas of the book itself are way too anthropocentric and illogical to take seriously but still a nice thought experiment and something to ponder.

@rofrofam

2 ай бұрын

@@mabakerlol how? It’s literally opposite of that

@NoeAnton

2 ай бұрын

I'm reading sci-fi books to entertain myself, not to create a physics paper, if you are taking a bunch of sci-fin novels as something "serious" then you should be looking elsewhere pal@@mabaker

I really appreciate creators like this that don't get super toxic when talking about things they love and can keep an open mind on adaptation changes

@alcook955

2 ай бұрын

Here’s hoping they Fock up something you care about to promote their propaganda

@randyx007

2 ай бұрын

Naw he was paid for this review

@lunatynaty

2 ай бұрын

@@randyx007 how you know?

@randyx007

2 ай бұрын

@@lunatynaty because the show is a 6/10 at best. Or he just can't say negative things. Which is just as bad.

@lunatynaty

2 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣 jeez man you are so grumpy. People have the right to have their own opinions. If your opinion the show is bad, well that's your opinion. Not everyone should or have to think the same. For me is worse people who think they are always right

Just watched Season 1, thanks to you--it was really good and now I have got to read the book! Your channel is the best sci-fi channel on KZread! Love everything you make

@mateobarrett6829

Ай бұрын

This show had more plot holes than I could even count. D&D really bungled up the entire thing

Also I’d like to point out something about the Tencent show. The Chinese book version DOES NOT START with the execution of her father. This comes much later in the book. It’s a change that was made in the english version I believe. And in the Tencent show the backstory comes later in the tv series as it does in the book (but yes for sure its much less graphic than Netflix.. its more talked than showed). Clearly though that adaption is way too long… but Da Shi transposition on screen is absolute GOAT level so I still like it haha.

@unaif.2171

Ай бұрын

He meant to start the book with the execution tho. He delayed showing that as a form of self censorship for the chinese audience/goverment. Later when translating it for western audiences it was not necessary and it was put as he originally intended.

Quinn's Ideas' videos are the only ones I watch in normal speed lol otherwise I do 2x speed. These videos are actually worthwhile to listen to and pay attention to. Three Body Problem is my favorite book series for sure. Thanks for being comprehensive about the information in your vids.

My main issue with the show isn’t that it’s not “faithful”… it needed to change things and the books are far from perfect narratively… it’s that the show gets rid of all the mystery and horror of the first book. It reveals that aliens are behind the events at the start of the second episode rather than making us wonder about what the countdown is or what the blinking universe means or why scientists are committing suicide. It’s just in such a rush to get to Dark Forest. I get that Books 2 and 3 are where so much of the action happens, but that first book is such a great mystery thriller and I felt the show had very little respect for what makes that first book work so well.

@reservedartist1141

2 ай бұрын

Are you for real ?? I'm watching the Chinese Tencent version and I love how there is the sense of dread. That something is coming, something is happening and the mystery

@Mizt9462

2 ай бұрын

Apparently, it should not take 20 episodes to build the mystery. 3 Body Problem is the weakest and can be told succintly.

@jesc2072

2 ай бұрын

I liked the tencent adaptation but holy shit was it slow and hard to get through. Im glad they sped up things and it will help a lot for the normies to get on board too

@TheFireGiver

2 ай бұрын

I agree. They should have just had the 1st season end with the 1st book. Maybe slightly afterwards. Even one or two more episodes of mystery would have benifited the show. That being said I did enjoy the show as a whole.

@extrarradioghetto

2 ай бұрын

@@reservedartist1141 when you build it that much like tencent did you get an insanely boring show, like 8 episodes for the countdown, hilarious

thank you for this insightful and level-headed review. watched a handful of review videos and i feel like most others completely missed the point of the show, characters, and/or plot points that was presented within. i have no book knowledge to compare or have any biases and loved the show. i was weary at first because it took a few episodes to really make me understand what this show was trying to do but it all comes together really nicely by the end of season 1 and im really looking forward to 2. i really appreciate your explanation regarding the changes that were found and i love when an adaptation can take what was essential or great about an original and make it distinctly different in personality, tone and/or details (speaking generally). knowing they combined or reworked some of the characters to tell deeper, more meaningful stories is a huge plus for me.

Most anticipated review!!! I’ve read the first book and really enjoyed the first season on Netflix. I was a little disappointed in the less than positive reviews that were posted to KZread on the day of release. I also wanted Quinn’s take more than all the others that were out there. This review is so much more aligned with my thoughts after watching the first 8 episodes

Took me a while to realize that Yun Tianming is already on episode 1 with his best bud whom he made a millionaire by accident in the books. I think that was an interesting change 😂

@14112ido

Ай бұрын

Oh God you're right. Jack Rooney is a reference to Tianming's friend who got rich from his idea.

@briggsthemaniac

Ай бұрын

@@14112ido Amazing isn't it. I'm just glad that their relationship in the books evolved into more brotherly kind in the Netflix series.. Tianming in the books was way too dark and depressing. Every chapter could trigger anyone who's going through the same thing.

I became interested in these books directly from your videos. This was before I knew the show was being made. I watched the show because of your videos. Thank you, you were correct that these books are one of the great works of modern science fiction. I enjoyed the adaption very much. To me the show felt like high concept Sci-Fi in the tone of The DaVinci Code. I'm looking forward to the future. I love your work, keep it up!

I am so happy I learned about the series from you years ago so I read the books. Now seeing it on screen and you reviewing it is great.

Never heard of the 3 body problem until I started watching your channel. I listened to all the videos and thought what a cool concept it was. So I was excited to see a live action adoption of it. I did watch the Chinese version, but I couldn't get into it. So I waited for the English version. I loved the series. I'm glad you did too.

@antonycharnock2993

2 ай бұрын

I've been aware of the dark forest and the fermi paradox for years but never realised the dark forest was a term adopted from this series.

@garyseven777

2 ай бұрын

This was great, but I also liked the Tencent version as well. Nice to have two takes on the series!

thanks, Quinn. based on others' comments i was going to skip this to preserve the books (i haven't read them yet) but your review has made me reconsider. deep analysis, bruh.

Love you work! Man has your channel grown since i started watching you, your almost at a million subs now and you deserve it!

bro you're my favourite KZreadr, you're awesome, thank you so much for introducing me to new stories! The vibe of your videos is just the best, I hope u never stop !

Quinn! Just wanted to give you and your channel credit for turning me onto this series!

Thank you, Quinn. When I saw that Netflix made a Three Body Problem show I immediately thought of you. My thoughts about the quality of the show also came into question. I couldn't wait to come here to see your views. Awsome!

I watched every video you have on the book series maybe a month ago and soon after i finished them i saw that Netflix waa releasing this show and got so excited and hoped that they would do the story justice and also make the best of the different medium of storytelling. Thank you so much for introducing me to this story, it's truly incredible and your videos are so well made and you present the ideas in the story in a very digestible but thorough way. Again thank you so much, im looking forward to seeing more videos once the next season comes out. Im not sure if you really do episode breakdowns or if you enioy making videos like that but if you did i would most definitely watch them and drop likes and comments to help the algorithm pick them up. So glad i found your channel 👍👍👍

Bruuuuh you made my day validating my prediction about the insanely pivotal role Raj will play as that book character. He was one of my favorites in setting up the plot of Starship Earth.

I am so glad you at least had a level head about this adaption. It is so sad seeing it get torn apart by people online, most book readers seem divided but I for one agree with everything you said. The only part of the show I felt iffy on was the conversation between Luo (Saul) and Ye at the cemetery I felt that replacing the conversation about cosmic sociology with Ye dropping some cryptic joke felt cheap.

@ciceroli6285

2 ай бұрын

The adaptations seem to make her backstabbing not convincing enough... at least Ye turned dubious to the true intension of her "lord" after a series of incidents, and she never expected human beings to be extinguished, unlike the sliced leader

@CollectorsFix

2 ай бұрын

I agree. I didn’t care for the joke story either, but perhaps they thought that Ye spelling out the cosmic sociology theory might reveal too much of the dark forest theory. If I remember correctly, the conversation happens very early in the books at the funeral, so we don’t think much of it, but in the show it might make the dark forest theory too obvious to viewers, which is why they decided to go more of the cryptic route.

@TRYCLOPS1

2 ай бұрын

Shows the screenwriters didn’t do their homework and don’t get the story well. They probably don’t even like sci-fi 🤷‍♂️

@franzfrikadelli6074

2 ай бұрын

it felt like a punch in the guts, ngl. :(

@franzfrikadelli6074

2 ай бұрын

@@CollectorsFix That's the cool thing about it. Its a science riddle, that you can figure out if you really pay attention. They hinted at the Dark Forest theory anyways with the game theory and fermi paradox book. In truth they just thought the words cosmic sociology and axioms are too nerdy. @TRYCLOPS1 is not wrong i don't think they like science. Or at least they think the average viewer will run if he hears "science" words.

I've been waiting for this video the second I saw the trailer. I absolutely love your videos covering the books!

Thanks for the review. I have not read the books but have watched a couple of your videos about it and realized it as a highly creative material. So when i heard about the netflix series i had my reservations. But now after watching this, i am convinced to watch it.

Thank you for taking the time to review and explain. I really enjoyed series on Netflix, so want a Season 2. I yet to read the books, but partner who has read them, said they are very close and he really enjoyed the series. Another friend said to me, that Cixin Liu reminds him of Arthur C. Clarke. After reading Rama, I think I will enjoy this series.

Thank you so much for the excellent review. From the start I preferred the Ten Cent version but managed to reprogram myself to be immersed in Netflix's Three Body. I think character development is not what the book’s genre is about but there is plenty of description in the books of how each feels about the various events. From listening to the audio books, I had a pretty good image in my head of what the characters are like and in some ways the Netflix version is faithful to that. But the Ten Cent version is probably more faithful to the Chinese perspective, often remarked upon, of the books. I think this perspective is a source of fascination that has been lost in translation! I can understand why the Netflix script writers would have thought that western audiences would have given the Netflix show a thumbs down if it had been structured in the manner of the book's slow burn.

@sumo9209

Ай бұрын

don't reprogramme your self .....ever , gain wisdom and strength

@zotriczaoh7098

Ай бұрын

@@sumo9209 That was a metaphor

I didn’t even know what 3 Body Problem was 3 weeks ago and now because of you I’ve binged the whole season and can’t stop watching your analysis videos 🔥🤣 thanks for showing me some new cosmic horror

@chriscunningham8703

2 ай бұрын

Binged it? Took me 2 sittings to slog through the first episode 💀

@akhilnair1137

2 ай бұрын

​@@chriscunningham8703 I feel sorry for your attention span.

@chriscunningham8703

2 ай бұрын

@@akhilnair1137 I can only take so much bad acting & poor dialogue 💀

@akhilnair1137

2 ай бұрын

@@chriscunningham8703 now I feel sorry for your taste in acting and dialogue.

@chriscunningham8703

2 ай бұрын

@@akhilnair1137 you must be easy pleased 💀

Thanks for this, Quinn! I was hesitant to watch considering D&D's involvement, but you introduced me to this series and your opinion is the first one I trust. You know the books inside and out.

Love ya Quinn! You’re the reason I read the books, and i am SO GLAD. Loved the books, and the show is totally delivering.

I read all three books in Chinese and watched both the Tecent and Netflix adaptations. I agree with your review in many aspects but I feel quite the opposite about the portrayal of Ye Wenjie. The death of Ye’s father was without a doubt a significant triggering event in her life but I see the stream of events in her later life as the main driving force of her character development. What caused her to loose all hope in humanity was not a single event as if a switch being flipped but the chronic erosion of innocence due to the glacial but seemingly unstoppable and all-encompassing advancement of ridiculousness and repression in that era, culminating to a series of betrayals Ye faced over the years. Attributing Ye’s motivation to a single event is, imho, a trivialisation of her character arc. Despite the censorship in the Tecent version, it actually did a better job in portraying Ye Wenjie. That being said, overall I still enjoyed the Netflix version more and I don’t mind cutting corners here and there to keep up with the pacing of the story.

@scottwatrous

2 ай бұрын

I agree that the real kicker for Ye is all of the misery that she witnessed humanity doing around her in the forestry program, with that inciting incident only being the first thing that threw her off any hope of a normal life and onto the path she followed. Plenty of people have seen their family suffer and would still not be so misanthropic. And many people (like Mike Evans) have lived lives of privilege and yet pontificate from their ivory tower (in this case literally, and on a massive private ship no less) that humanity is the only problem and are just as willing to throw in to the same misanthropic subservience.

@nrschlosstein

2 ай бұрын

But that do show more than her father dying. They include: her mother betraying her, being sent to a miserable prison camp in Mongolia, witnessing the misery of the people there, watching the mass deforestation, reading Silent Spring, meeting and then being betrayed by her lover, more harsh treatment in jail that nearly kills her, witnessing more destruction of the natural world through the red coast project, betrayal again by her superior, and eventually meeting Evans who agrees with her about the horrors of humanity. The show includes all of that.

@iv_1997

2 ай бұрын

I agree. I think Ye’s deep disappointment for humankind was way better built up in the Tencent version. The reason she’s one of the Redemptionists is that there’s not only betrayal but also love and kindness from other people. Her “betrayal” to humankind is her deep love to this world.

@misscleo336

2 ай бұрын

I agree with you that I have stronger feeling for Ye Wenjie in Tencent’s version. Partly because of how the character was portrayed by the actor. I can feel the anger from Netflix’s Dr Ye, but the feeling I get from Tencent’s Dr Ye is the disappointment that has surpassed anger. But then, Netflix has only 8 episodes to cover everything plus a bit from book 2. Having said that, I still enjoy watching Netflix’s Three Body Problem. Hope this series can get people interested in checking out the books and dive deeper into the original storyline.

@doctormoobbc

2 ай бұрын

Couldn't agree more. They really did cover a lot in here and did a great job adapting it. ​@@nrschlosstein

I'm glad you liked it as a series, I thought it was a really impressive offering from Netflix as far as their adaptations go. I suppose everyone has their opinions, but there was so much negativity surrounding it, I assume from the GoT showrunners. With Raised by Wolves being cancelled, and Foundation not being for me personally, I'm glad this exists.

My wife and I just watched the show yesterday and it was really good. We loved it and cannot wait for season two and hopefully season three to come out. I never read the books but based on the Netflix series and the comments I read, it must be pretty damn good. Thank you for your reviews and book comparisons, it was very informative.

I bought these books over a year ago and haven’t gotten around to reading them. I just finished the first season of the show, and it has definitely inspired me to finally start reading them. Great show!

This show was amazing actually I finished all of it and definitely tapped into this because of you Quinn ❤️ never read the books but I’m glad to see I picked up a lot based on hearing your breakdowns of the books

Thank you so much for all the Dune and Thee Body Problem content! It is wonderful. I don't have the money to buy the books right now and I love hearing your clifs notes until I get the book. I don't mind the spoilers you are a wonderful story teller. Thanks again!

@yordankrushkov8488

2 ай бұрын

Do you live in a remote area where there are no libraries nearby? I read the trilogy and spinoff book all from the library...

I was so excited to see your review after I finished the show. I totally agree with you! I really enjoyed the it and nearly lost my mind when I realized we were getting the Wallfacers so soon. Did not expect that! I was embarrassingly slow in realizing who Will and Saul were supposed to be, and I when I did I was like 🤯🤯🤯. Thanks for introducing me to this amazing series!

I'm definitely going to read the books after randomly finding this show on Netflix and finding your channel. great material!

I really disliked how the characters, especially Wade and Clarence (Da Shi) were able to solve questions brought up by the plot...instantly by coming up with the best conclusion. It didn't seem they have to work to solve things..they just knew. I felt the dialogue was pretty lame between the characters and some one-liners really brought me out of the immersion. I liked Saul and Jin a lot, but really disliked the acting and character of Augustina by Eiza González.

@Alpha23TV

2 ай бұрын

This!

@Chup444

2 ай бұрын

She kinda looks like Rachel Zegler to me :D

@TheDjsBass

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, the show feels rushed and doesn't have that atmospheric vibe like I am getting with constellation.

@qaztim11

2 ай бұрын

This is the thing the Tencent adaptation does a lot better, the characters fail a ton before even figuring out some basic stuff, really makes every little bit of info or success feel more earned.

@greggsmith4570

2 ай бұрын

Yes! The Augustina character is horrible and there isn’t an ounce of suspense or build up.

100% agree. Better than I expected. Even better than I hoped. Very few complaints here. It was a brilliant move to open the series with the one scene that was so conspicuously missing from the tencent show. It maybe felt a bit rushed compared to the tencent version, but with 8 episodes vs. 30, it’s much closer to just right than it is to not enough.

@scottwatrous

2 ай бұрын

The perfect amount of episodes would have probably been 10, stretching the first 4 into 6. The max that would be good is 13, which would have been welcome but I think a lot of people would have started getting bored.

@encyclopath

2 ай бұрын

@@scottwatrous I don’t disagree. Somewhere between 2 and 4 more episodes would have been perfect. 22 more episodes would be absolutely bonkers for this, though. I liked the 30 episodes of the tencent version, but I’m probably in the minority here, and even then, it could have done fine with 20-25 But this is a different show, even if the source material is the same. I love them both

@Demour77

2 ай бұрын

I recall that there have been some solid fan cuts of the Tencent taking it down to under 10 hours as well. Did really enjoy the Tencent (despite tuning out every so often during filler parts). The vibe and feeling of that show was really well done, you could feel the dread and realizations creeping up on the characters.

@elenabob4953

2 ай бұрын

Science isn't "a filler"

@michaeljoseph4314

2 ай бұрын

For context the runtime of the ten cent show was 4x as long if your only including first book material

Stumbled across this video and quickly gained a new subscriber. Im only just learning about this show and book and it sounds absolutely fascinating and spooky. Really appreciate your analysis so far and look forward to watching your deep dive!

After watching this first season, I realize that D&D aren’t fully terrible, they just need to stick to what they’re good at: adaptations. They’re really good at adapting complex source material. Their track record shows that. It’s when they become responsible for the writing that problems arise. And I don’t think that’s anything to be ashamed of. There’s absolutely a market for adaptations. People want to see their favorite books come to the big screen. So as long as they’re adapting and not writing everything, I’m perfectly happy to give them credit where it’s due. GoT still hurts though.

@utkarshsarkar839

Ай бұрын

After this show released, I don't blame D&D at all anymore. Game of thrones was the best show that was on when they had source material to adapt, they hoped Martin would finish the books by the time show gets to later seasons,Martin dropped the ball and we got what we got. That series is never getting finished unfortunately

@TheDawnofVanlife

Ай бұрын

Adaptation is also a legit skill. Like you think it would be easy to translate an existing work, but it is tricky. Different writing mediums don't speak to audiences in the same way. And you can fail even if you carbon copy lift from the books if you don't understand the changes between mediums A and Medium B. I think they have shown, yes, that possibly with a fully finished book series they can turn out a decent product. But let's see how 3 body problem does in the long stretch.

@willmosse3684

Ай бұрын

D&D still hold a big portion of the blame for the later seasons of GoT. But yes, it was really because there was not more source material to go off. That was clearly the main thing that went wrong. That said, they did start to play really fast and loose with all sorts of things - lore, character development, plot lines, everything - in the later seasons. And they reeeaaallllyyy rushed the ending because they were promised Star Wars or whatever. And there are things they lack in their show production. For instance, the dialogue in 3 Body Problem is preeeeetty clunky in a lot of places. I thought the dynamics between the friend group was very wooden and unnatural, especially early on when they were more of a regular group of pals. It definitely got better when the action ramped up and the characters were running around saving the world. But that clunkyness matches when D&D had to produce dialogue themselves in late Season GoT, which makes sense to me now that I’ve seen Quinn’s explanation that these 3 Body characters and their interactions are not from the book, but were written specifically for this series. They aught to find some highly rated dialogue writers to bring on board their future productions.

@Tamajyn69

Ай бұрын

The first 6 seasons of GoT were amazing. When they stick to the source material they really know how to craft a compelling story on screen and their visuals are always stunning. The only real issues with 7 and 8 were story related

@hoos3014

Ай бұрын

The GoT problem is mostly GRRM'S fault. He wrote the story into a corner that not even he has been able to solve.

Having read most of Three Body AND Dark Forest, I fully understood why they did what they did for the show. They didn’t miss any of the major beats why’ll using everything at their disposal to foreshadow and lead to the other points. It was a dance of writing and seeing why people change stuff for the show, it only makes sense. Everything flows and I 100% recommend a watch. If you haven’t read the books, it might be a little jarring but the show is meant for you to have a similar feeling from the books. Existential Dread. And let me tell you ya, they nailed that! Thank you Quinn!

@patrickpaclibar9252

Ай бұрын

I have read the book before and I cant remember the staircase project? Where was it?

I am quite surprised by this. I finished the Netflix adaptation yesterday and I thought it was another Foundation, Rings of Power debacle. Happy to see you and others still enjoyed it though. I guess it just wasn't for me.

@quincyquincy4764

Ай бұрын

Same here. The Netflix show doesn't do it for me

@Crystaldegreef

Ай бұрын

I wanted so much more for Foundation, but it is an unreal undertaking.

@MK-il5vc

25 күн бұрын

I read the first book before starting with the series and i stopped at the moment when ye wenjie kissed evans... I think they butchered wang miao completely by splitting him into 2 and auggie becoming a weird ass. Rooney was pretty decent until he died. The whole cultural shift is crazy. Freaking clarence running around. Whole nukes were cut out. The science is cut down to complete basics instead of a good explanation or exposition. Many important scenes were cut out or didn't happen yet (i stopped cause the kiss was too much for me) e.g. her relationships at the base which in turn are the whole reason for her actions. Also why the hell do you have to ship her with evans... The dialogues between evans and "the lord" were shit aswell. The most important dialogue is not about lying initially nor do the aliens think of a fictive story as a lie. The dialogue in the books was about communication. The way of communication is the reason why they don't understand and why they culturally didn't develop lying.

@henkfinkers3931

24 күн бұрын

@@MK-il5vc I really hated that they removed the nukes and the explanation for the siphons was really poorly done as they made them super powerful just to show it off on the screen and ignored all the consequences it brought.

@MK-il5vc

24 күн бұрын

@@henkfinkers3931 yeah. I've calmed down a little bit now and i gotta agree that in itself it's definitely not a bad show and i can see why you would make it more simplistic and shift the culture. In the end it has to entertain the main stream. But i'm still pissed off by the hyperfocus on interpersonal emotions. Like i could've watched the kardashians or star wars instead but i chose this because of the SCIENCE fiction aspect

I've never read the books. But way before the series came out I watched all your videos. It made enjoying the show that much more interesting because I had so much backstory from you ahead of time. Thanks for your content.

I love your video! Please keep it up! I had seen your videos and never read the books but I kinda knew the essence of the story, still the show blew me away.

Quinn, I have to thank you. You're the only reason I even heard of this series. And this show blew me away. I loved it so damn much!!! If it continues to be this good in future seasons, it'll end up being my favorite show of all time.

for the most part i dont have a problem for the charactor changes , but i just hated the Ye Wenjie and Mike evans relationship , they should kept it platnoic as in the book , they should've instead keep the part where she was in love with her husband and in the end had to kill him along with the higher ranking officer to keep the secret

I remember seeing the three body problem on Netflix while browsing at a friends house on his account. And I remembered your video of the three body problem book that I watched a long time ago. I was browsing shorts saw a clip of the show and how it wasn’t in Chinese surprised me. So I came here, and 2:03 was all I needed to hear to add it to the list. Thanks! I’ll come back here after I watch the show

I remember listening to about an hour of the first book a few years back after watching your videos, life got busy and I never returned, but I’ve kept up with it through your videos. I definitely enjoyed the show having never read the full series and I’m glad you confirmed I wasn’t just wowed by novelty

Always appreciate your insights Quinn. Thanks for another great breakdown and review. Completely agree with your take. I really enjoyed Netflix’s adaption and a, looking forward to seeing how it pans out.

They've done such a good job with this adaptation.

Love the video mate! You hit all the fun series threads that I was thinking, but I’ve got one idea I wanted to bring up: I think Raj could be turned into both Zhang Beihai and the captain of Blue Space (Chu Yan, who kills Zhang Beihai in the battle of darkness), because of a sweet Easter egg at the dinner with Jin and Raj’s family: Raj’s father tells the story about killing the entire Pakistani camp and taking their oxygen, which I thought was a wild way to foreshadow Blue Space’s victory in the Battle of Darkness.

I'm glad you think this way. I've seen other reviews and my take is that other reviewers do not know the books as well as you do nor they understand what's does it take to make a TV adaptation

I watched this series before watching your review, so glad you think it was well made. I loved it. Can’t wait for season two

LOVED THE SHOW AND LOVE THIS CHANNEL. went in with a brief idea of what was to happen and couldnt stop watching. Cant wait to see where this goes next.

I am more excited for season 2 of Tencent’s show than the 2nd season of Netflix, but I do love that we got the first scene.

I’ve been waiting for your review! The boat scene is absolutely gut-churning.

Excellent work, exactly what I was looking for, particularly as someone who hasn't read the books and didn't want them spoiled. Thank you!

I binged the Netflix series in two sittings, enjoyed it but was nervously waiting for your review! I'm so glad you liked it. Now I'm nervous about Netflix's intentions about next seasons approval...

@Misfit6mm

2 ай бұрын

Getting nervous about what someone else thought instead of standing by your own opinion 😂

@rafaelflorez6446

2 ай бұрын

@@Misfit6mm literally said I enjoyed it, can't you read? ffs

This is such a welcome surprise. Im actually relieved. The Three Body Problem now ranks as 1 in my favorite sci fi book series of all time. Im glad its not a disaster and will now watch it.

@vandal_prime9934

2 ай бұрын

Was expecing a giant flop as well, It's good to see that for once, it's actually good. Will give it a chance.

@elenabob4953

2 ай бұрын

Avoid it with all cost because if you like the books you won't like the Netflix take starting with there incredible take on stars flickering.

@elenabob4953

2 ай бұрын

It is trash especially when you have read the books and seen the Tenent adaptation of the first book.

@vandal_prime9934

2 ай бұрын

I didn't like the Tencent adaptation much either, it was too jolly and watered down. The tone was not right. Haven't watched the Netflix adaptation, we will see. It may get the tone right but of course the character swap is a huge nerf.

@TRYCLOPS1

2 ай бұрын

The Netflix adaptation was trash. But hope you like it. Not for me and I am passionate about the books. Such a disappointment from the start 🤷‍♂️

Quinn , I am a college student and while i do homework I have youtube on in the bacround for some noise. About a week ago you sent me down an absolute rabbit hole of Science Fiction. First it was Dune now it is the 3 body problem. I have tried to stay away from spoliers but the way you break everything down for me is a godsend. I love it. I started watching the netflex adaptation and I think I will stop until I get to read the series. I just wanted to thank you for opening me up to this newfound addiction that I have that is science fiction. I genuinely enjoy your podcast while doing homework now. Thank you.

@_kreetch9231

Ай бұрын

Omgg same here dude but I’ve been in the science fiction KZread since January

Excellent review, Quinn! That's no surprise to anyone, though. I was initially apprehensive about this adaptation when i watched the first couple of episodes. I have a rule to give a series at least 5 episodes before I make a decision about it. I'm glad I kept watching, though, and im glad I did. Even though the characters are very different from the book characters, the main themes and concepts are still very much there. It very effectively captured the essence of the books very well, and was very entertaining to watch. 👍🏿

Oh my gods, great review. Several times I thought about what you were going to say and you nailed it. And I'm so glad you caught the connection between Augustina and AA because as soon as she called Cheng Jin boss I must have made a noise because my wife, who hasn't read the books (and her face when they revealed Ye Wenjie as the founder of ETO was PRICELESS) just looked at me weird lol

They dumbed it down too much for me. The stars blinking instead of the CMB pulsing was a big fail imo

@azaan7684

2 ай бұрын

I agree, it feels like "3bodies for dummies", too many shortcuts, too much science skimmed through.

@samsulh314

2 ай бұрын

They kinda had to do that for the general audience.

@exu7325

2 ай бұрын

@@samsulh314 No, they don't. That's just an elitist viewpoint. I honestly feel insulted watching Netflix's adaptation.

@elenabob4953

2 ай бұрын

Nah, the best part was the message sent in Mandarin to the silent and they answering.

@elenabob4953

2 ай бұрын

Tencent did it and used this opportunity to educate the population and make them interested in science but the west doesn't seem to be capable.

Years ago i randomly stumbled upon your vids and ended up listening to the audiobooks and loved them, now the show is out and its great too :D

Your channel is the reason I even know of Three Body. Great review.

The thing is that D&D works best when the have a complete story and other people thinking for them. When they have to think for themselves they collapse. That is why GOT failed at the end.

I’m ok with the character changes and all that. But the problem is that the show forgets what made the book so good: science. It just doesn’t respect the science and treat all audiences as idiots. all the great moments are great because of the science and they just cared about the visuals, rushing from one set piece to another

@andedom

21 күн бұрын

Exactly!

Excellent review! 👏 When Netflix announced announced this show I was like, "Oh that's a book!" and the only reason I knew that was because of your channel. I actually added "TBP" to my reading list after watching your video but never actually got around to reading it. I enjoyed the Netflix adaptation and was wondering what you think about it. Thank you for sharing!

Thank you for reviewing. I found your channel after watching the show and wanting to learn more!

Great review! I went into the series without reading the books - intentionally. I binged it in 24 hours... just couldn't stop watching. Some great scenes - and quite haunting themes... I've just started the first book but am unsure whether or not to carry on or wait for Season 2. Glad to hear it's in the works. It says a lot if it has the Quinn stamp approval! Will be back to take a look at some of your Three Body Problem book videos once I've finished the first one.

@redfieldcooper

2 ай бұрын

I would suggest you read the series! I’ve read all 3 books and the show made me appreciate the book series more as well as love the show for what it accomplished. One suggestion would be to exercise caution if you decide to watch Quinn’s videos after your book 1 read- I’ve seen all of his vids covering the series and they usually cover the series as a whole and not just 1 book after the next. He does probably the best job of discussing this series though.

@LynneHobday1

2 ай бұрын

@@redfieldcooper Thanks for the advice!!

@BoognishQC

2 ай бұрын

Yes, read the entire book series, then go back and watch the Netflix show again. You'll be blown away by all the little things you missed already

@enoch7564

2 ай бұрын

​@@LynneHobday1I think you should be good to finish at least the first book without really spoiling anything for season 2. Again, the first book is just the set up. But it's great because it helps you understand more of what happened in the TV show.

@LynneHobday1

2 ай бұрын

@@BoognishQC I'll do that!!

I binge watched it yesterday. OMG - It was Amazing! The only reason I was excited to watch this series, was because I watched your other videos on the books. So even though I know the darkness behind what is going to happen, I never really understood it fully. I'm looking forward to seeing the next season! Thanks for the great review, and the recommendation to get into this story! Cheers!

@vilx1308

2 ай бұрын

if u know anything about the book u will hate the Netflix show

@atheniamathueis6441

2 ай бұрын

If you enjoyed the show you should read the book, having watched the show will help you visualize some key events in the book and helps you understand what you didn't understand from Quinn's videos, and no, you're not gonna hate the show when you're done reading it

@atheniamathueis6441

2 ай бұрын

​@@vilx1308having read the entire trilogy doesn't make me feel entitled to judge people for enjoying the show

@elenabob4953

2 ай бұрын

Read once again what it was written because the comment doesn't say that.

@vilx1308

2 ай бұрын

@@atheniamathueis6441u can enjoy it, but basically everyone in china hate it, the book actually have extremely strong historical and political references, but unfortunately no one on KZread has realized that yet, and of course, the show is an insult to the deeper meaning of the book

Boy I totally agree with everything you said. Loved the books so much and loved most changes as augmenting the story not detracting.

Quinn you're the reason I started reading the books. I knew you wouldn't disappoint with this review

As a Chinese I’ve read the books and watched the Tencent show (which is available on Amazon Prime btw for ppl who wanna take a look), I agree with most of what you said. However, as of Ye Wenjie’s back story, I don’t like Netflix’s butchering much more than the omissions of Tencent. There’s clearly (self) censorship involved, but most Chinese audience can fill in the details by themselves. The Netflix show makes Ye Wenjie more of a pure devil. Her strength and wisdom that makes her the “commander” is gone. The two sexual scenes with Ye Wenjie and her affair with Evans really felt uncomfortable for book fans.

@germanher7528

2 ай бұрын

the tencent show is also available for free on youtube

@Charlotte_Martel

2 ай бұрын

I agree with you about Ye and Evans' affair. It was an awkward and unnecessary addition. However, I felt that Ye was portrayed as a woman whose faith in humanity was destroyed at a very young age and whose brilliance and bitterness overcame any sense of prudence. From my watching, she seemed less of a monster and more of a cynic who viewed the nature of humanity as destructive, cruel, and evil and had hoped that a superior species might guide us out of this brutal adolescence in our development. She did not fully understand the motives of the Trisolarans. If she had and still stood by her decision to reveal Earth's position, then she would have been a monster.

@peefly9566

2 ай бұрын

Ye wen jie is such a well fleshed out character in book, then Netflix totally destroyed it，awful adaption

@aroonsubway2079

2 ай бұрын

Quinn said "Netflix adaptation is more faithful than the Tencent version", which I can NOT agree with.

I'm glad you did this, because I was honestly going to write off the series. I still think this could have been a chance to showcase more Chinese actors given their representation remains relatively low in (western) media and this book is specific as to ethnicity/race/nationality, but your points about rounding out the characters gives me hope!

@pilotmorgan8669

2 ай бұрын

Why do Chinese people need more representation in western media exactly? What is the benefit? I'll just ignore the fact that Chinese is a nationality, not a race.

@snowshock8958

2 ай бұрын

Yeah in that aspect it was dissapointing. This could have been a great Netflix project with a majority all asian cast in a western sci fi show that make sense narratively and production wise. Netflix could have done it like Beef, The Brothers Sun or Bling Empire. I am bumped by the fact there is only a ratio of 20%asian lead. This is why having less U.K would have be better, less whites actors more asian english speaker actors and more across the globe pov(like Sense8). Showing modern China would have not hurt. Luo Ji being now Saul Durand and Zhang Beihai now Raj Varma is conflicting. Since now we get Black and Indian representation which is great and need but in detriment of erasing the og Chinese men characters. The only way for the show to fix that concern is too have more Chinese characters in s2 and beyond and bring back another/split Luo Ji or new, multiple swordholder, multiple Space Force officer etc... Just like how they divided Wang Miao and merged characters in s1. Do the reverse for next seasons.

@BrotherCheng

Ай бұрын

Honestly I think this is one of those books where the race-swapping doesn't bother me (I'm ethnic Chinese and read the books in Chinese) compared to a lot of other Hollywood movies and shows. The modern / future eras are mostly a mystery-show turned sci-fi, and I don't really think it plays up the cultural aspects of the characters much. The only part that really matters is the Cultural Revolution part and the Netflix show kept it. The characters in the original books were mostly Chinese because the author (Liu Cixin) is Chinese similar to how American authors tend to write American characters, but I don't think the core plot relies on that at all. There's also a simple fact that a story that happens in modern China with characters speaking 100% Chinese just doesn't have a lot of market appeal to the western audience (Netflix is banned in China anyway so they won't be attracting audience there) so moving to UK makes sense. And having an all-Asian cast in UK or say US would have been quite awkward. I just want a good Three Body Problem adaptation. I didn't need it to be somehow a vessel for more Asian representation (even though that would be nice too).

I never read the 3 Body Problem, but for years, I enjoyed listening to your analysis videos on it. I love soft sci-fi, but hard sci-fi is not what I gravitate to. But the story you laid out from the books was captivating, so you basically gave me an abridged version on YT and I ate all those videos up. I enjoyed the Netflix show too. I can't say it isn't without flaws, but I binged it easily and then immediately wanted more. Unfolding protons into two dimensions and placing a circuitry on the top to turn it into an AI.... That part had me nerding out. I hope Netflix will renew, but I do worry, considering their current track record of canceling shows in their prime. Fingers crossed though!

I’ve never read the series. Watched the first season and loved it. Then I found your page and love it even more. Thanks for the review.

I went in hopeful, but with doubts. All in all, I really liked the character changes you mentioned. That was one of the things I was worried about, but it added depth and built out the characters. It was really well acted, and i agree with you in regards to the the speed up pacing over the Chinese version. 30 episodes was easily 10 to 15 more than needed. I loved the inclusion of stuff from TDF and DE. TDF is probably my current favorite sci-fi book because of the ideas. I can't wait for season 2.

it was so difficult for me to sit through the series...I had to force myself to watch it and each time I couldn’t last past 2 episodes.. I am happy about some things, but extremely disappointed how it presented the story over all. My main issue with the Netflix series is that it feels like a complete scale DOWN from the books. Changing some characters is fine..but putting all 3 books main characters in a class of “oxford 5” and apparently “Chengxin/Wangmiao”’s boyfriend is just ridiculous to me. The whole earth’s fate rely on a group of friends now? How childish. The series is missing that overwhelming, urging, pressing dread on the human kind I felt from the books.. why? Ok so the aliens revealed themselves now, mystery is unfolded, but still, at this point the only people who are trying to investigate and solve issues are Wade and DAshi the cop?! Project GuZheng is decided by a cop DaShi and WADE?! Our Earth has no other competent people left?! None of the rest of the world cares?! All of this makes me wonder, did Oxford sponsor the show?! Also YeWenJie’s character is portrayed very superficially in this series.. I felt like it’s missing a lot of depth she had in the books. Her romance scenes are completely a miss for me. ETO are not mindless religious followers, though some of them may be, but they are not that one dimensional as it’s portrayed... Anyways.. 8 episodes for sure will leave a lot of the plot out, I understand that. But what I don’t like is how a very grand idea is presented as a child’s imagination...group of friends/lovers try to save the world, completely miss the opportunity to make it an epic story about our entire human species.

@ThePostmarke

2 ай бұрын

I think the first book is more grounded and ironically more epic at the same time First of all you can really feel Ye Wenjie's complicated feelings towards humanity. Secondly, at the beginning the ETO is just seen as some other "Aliens will come soon" cult; so while the "cultist" kill themselves sometimes because of infighting (a thing they completely cut from the show) everyone who is not committed to their cause is just ignored. That's why I dont understand why they killed Jack in the show.

@yls8845

Ай бұрын

​@@ThePostmarkeyeah what threat does Jack put.. He is the least scientist guy among the 5 that could defeat SanTi. Why making the efforts to kill Jack? Also, they only got 2 people in the uk to complete the game and just decided to kill half of them?? Is this how you recruit people?

Just finished it! Been a bit since I read the books and did so in quick succession, so I did not necessarily pick up that they covered a bunch of non-book-1 material. In general it all felt very organic, the characters seemed all pretty close to their inspiration and I see how they want a more stable cast for the series going forward. The big ideas and concepts are there and they condensed the essence of the whole story into 8 episodes without it feeling rushed for the most part. I hope that the series will continue so they can cover the TRULY heavy sci-fi stuff of the other 2 books and also curious whether they will include Redemption of Time to some degree. Looking forward!