Thanks for making this video and saying this stuff! It's sad to see all the glib or mean-spirited takes out there. The ocean is no joke; it is a powerful, dangerous force. God forbid any of us ever got in trouble out there, and much respect to the US Coast Guard and all the other groups that risk their own safety to rescue folks in peril on the sea.

I graduated as an engineer from the same university that Suleman Dawood was studying at. As I was watching the news unfold about the situation, I kept thinking about the lectures I sat through on Engineering Ethics, perhaps in the same lecture hall as he sat in. We would have lectures on the Ford Pinto, the Challenger space shuttle, etc, all talking through what went wrong and why. One recurring theme was management pushing through ill-informed design decisions against the advice of seasoned engineers. In this case Stockton Rush was that manager. If he had died alone in his craft - built by graduates who would do what he said without the years of practice to know better, made of a brittle material with no give, controlled by a literal toy, after multiple warnings from experts that he chose to ignore - I think it would be a black comedy for engineers, he would win a Darwin award and he would deserve it. However the fact is that he killed another 4 innocent people who put their trust in him and at that point I don't find any humour. I feel nothing but visceral anger for Mr Rush. I understand that I sound callous saying this but we were all DRILLED as undergraduates to understand our duty of care in our profession and it wasn't that he failed in his duty, he didn't even TRY. He didn't deserve what happened, but he checked every box to ensure that it did. RIP to him and the victims of his negligence.

@kevinmiller7792

11 ай бұрын

Thank you - I couldn’t agree more with your comments.

@baobo67

11 ай бұрын

Thankyou. Very well put and I agree.No one I talked to laughed about it.They were too appalled that it could happen. As the details of the workmanship were reveiled most of us thought survival would was unlikely and the result was no surprise. No doubt Oceangate and their ilk will also implode.My thoughts are with those left behind. a sad business.Cheers.

@washingtonradio

11 ай бұрын

Agreed, engineering mistakes whatever the cause have a nasty habit of killing innocent people.

@LJ3783

11 ай бұрын

Agreed, accident and misadventure is one thing, ignorance and negligence is another

@scorinado

11 ай бұрын

I don't think you sound callous at all. Rush was arrogant in the extreme, and it cost four other people their lives.

The problem for me is the fact Seagate accepted huge payments from passengers and called them 'Technicians' or something similar. This was because the owners knew it wouldn't pass certification, hence the term 'experimental'. This way they circumvented safety at sea protocols. The CEO saw safety as a hindrance to development. I have the feeling the real risks were played down, and he used his 'enthusiasm/salesmanship' to infect potential 'technicians'. I watched an interview today with the other CEO, who stated the best way to memorialise these 'adventurers/explorers' is to purchase an 'experience' from Seagate. They will continue to operate as they have other destinations/vessels to offer. Very strange thing to hear. Unsettling.

@TheGreatBigMove

11 ай бұрын

Agreed, OceanGate seems to be a sketchy operation.

@260381re

11 ай бұрын

@@TheGreatBigMove just like Boeing

@dukeofgibbon4043

11 ай бұрын

​@@260381reregulations are written in blood. Many who want to deregulate prioritize profit over lives. Of course, that profit is short term and Boeing is heading down a Welshian demise.

My frustration is the comparison between the attention these folks get, who chose to be there, and had the good fortune to likely go quickly and painlessly (not that that’s certain), and the number of refugee boats with hundreds of people that die in the most awful ways possible on the sea. We lift next to nothing to help them. We move barely an inch when we hear their tragedy. What makes this so much more valuable of attention and respect than the countless desperate souls who did not choose to live in a conflict, who did not have the fortune to be crushed in an instant. It places our collective values in stark relief.

For the record, the wife of the CEO is actually descended from a couple who actually died on the Titanic. If anyone should be okay allowing people down to the wreck site, I personally feel it should be someone with a direct connection to it. I've been interested in the Titanic's story since I was a little girl, and while I actually somewhat feel we've taken more than enough from the wreck at this point for historical preservation's sake, visiting the site shouldn't be prohibited. Observation doesn't harm the site, and we constantly visit war and accident memorials, so I don't see the harm in allowing visitors still. The wreck won't be there forever, it will eventually disintegrate and disappear. But, if we're going to visit it, the site is so far down we really need to be careful to avoid adding to the already numerous souls resting there. I don't think any of the victims would rest easy knowing people have died trying to share in their history.

@andycraddock7677

11 ай бұрын

@Ashhitchner: I generally agree with your assessment and sentiments 100%. Like you, I am an ALL-THINGS RMS Titanic fanatic, which began at age eight, when I was allowed to pick out and purchase my first book (a book I chose) which happened to be the 1976, illustrated edition of the great Walter Lord’s, “A Night to Remember.” (Still one of the greatest tellings of the awful disaster ever written to this day IMO, even with the hundreds of Titanic, or Titanic-related books published since the early 1950’s.). I also agree with you that visits to the wreck should not stop because of this terrible tragedy, although I do think new safety conventions should be adopted. I’m no authority on anything submarine or submersible, but some of the more technical articles I have read on the doomed submersible left me with many questions about its design and safety. Obviously going down to the great ocean depths, whether the Titanic wreck or the Mariana Trench, where humans were never meant to be can only be “safe” in relative terms. As much as I respect the man, I respectfully disagree with the view of Dr. Robert Ballard, Ph.D the famed oceanographer who obviously (with crew) finally discovered the great ship’s final resting spot in 1985. Having heard him speak on numerous occasions, my understanding remains that Dr. Ballard believes- and has always believed- that the Titanic and and location where tragedy occurred should remain untouched and off-limits. Taking Dr. Ballard’s position to the extreme would mean that the profession of archaeology and related fields would cease to exist, because historical sites could never be touched, excavated (professionally and scientifically), or studied. So, no Titanic, no study of Gettysburg, The Somme battlefield or countless other historical sites worldwide. I respectfully disagree with Dr. Ballard on this point. I believe it possible to visit the wreck, touch nothing, while still having a sense of loss and reverence for all the souls who perished that freezing April night now so long ago. As a side note to the views of Dr. Ballard, there is video of him (late 1980’s?) on another expedition to the wreck, showing him aboard the expedition ship. The submersible (unmanned if I recall) accidentally brought a piece of cable from the wreck to the surface. The video shows Dr. Ballard immediately retrieving the artifact and throwing it overboard. But there’s a catch. From what (very) little I know about international, maritime law, if Dr. Ballard had kept that bit of history, he would have legally been the “salvor in possession” of the entire wreck, legally entitled to prohibit further investigation of the site. I do not know with certainty if this is true, but possibly 30+ years of investigation and retrieval of artifacts might have been stopped cold. Any attorneys who are knowledgeable in maritime law, please chime in. As for the five additional souls now claimed by the great ship’s rusting remains, May they be remembered and their lives celebrated. Condolences to all their families and friends.

@ipincsmuhammad9162

11 ай бұрын

They booming that's submerin

@Hookah_Horns

11 ай бұрын

​@@andycraddock7677Agree 100%. The "leave it alone because people died there" stance makes no sense to me at all. It's only basis, as far as I can tell, is sentimentality. I'm pretty sentimental, but it's not a compelling reason for anything.

The mass of coverage and effort expended re these 5 lives (including this video) vs. the 500+ migrant lives lost in Greece on a sinking boat is exactly why people are saying what they're saying. It's like we've learned nothing from the class issues on the Titanic itself

@starrsmith3810

10 ай бұрын

I think I’ve heard of that ship. Of course it got next to no coverage though. When events happen simultaneously, one is bound to get overlooked. It’s happened with other ships before. It’s annoying but it’s not new. It doesn’t help that this is related to Titanic. I am full blown planning on looking into that Greece ship though.

The response I’ve seen from people has been petty shocking. You summed it up pretty well in this video. The lack of empathy and compassion in our society is pretty sad.

I agree. It was obvious the safety of this submersible was at best poorly thought out. However these were human beings that had dreams and family and friends that loved them. It's no laughing matter.

It might also be a reaction to the state of the technology. If a passenger plane crashes or a ferry sinks, it's terrifying, since we trust the technology and the safety standards. It will be interesting to see what investigations into this sub shows, but it seems that the quality may have been fine for an experimental robot but certainly not for something that carries humans.

I didn't have much of an opinion until I watched Sub Brief's video, and then I saw the whole thing as a monument to the hubris of this company; thinking they know better than actual experts in the field.

Death and loss is never a laughing matter. My heart hurts so badly for the mother of the 19 year old.

@Hookah_Horns

11 ай бұрын

Older people have family too and I'm sure they are just as heartbroken.

@KG-ds2fj

10 ай бұрын

Very disgusting how people are making jokes about this

The only thing that brings me some peace is that it happened in a nano or millisecond so they never even knew it happened. The U.S. and Canadian Coast Guard and Navy did an amazing job in such a short period of time. F the haters tossing out the misinformation. People laugh at it because they have a low E.Q. (Emotional Quotient)

I just don't understand why pay that money and take that risk to see something through a tiny porthole when there are amazingly vivid pictures of the wreck you can look at from your couch.

Very well put. I have had a very similar experience with the situation. It a tragedy regardless of the details and it’s very telling and troubling to see how the vast majority of people have been reacting to these events. I appreciate your views and respect on this matter, as well as that of the rest of the major ocean liner content creators.

I don't judge people who would pay to see Titanic, I think there is going to be a surge of demand after it became public that commercial expeditions exist. I also want to say that the technology James Cameron mentioned, about the computer prediction of the material strain and attrition, is actually quite common, like local trains use it to schedule maintenance just in time before they break or start causing problems (I work for a company that makes software like that). OceanGate not calculating the attrition of the hull after each expedition and instead relying on onboard sensors - sounds not innovative at all.

I heard some people say they disregard the disaster because the passengers were ''Ultra Rich'' enthusiasts. I'm not making this up.

@TheGreatBigMove

11 ай бұрын

That’s what most people are saying, I don’t doubt it for a second.

we as humans have to acept that the ocean gives lives and it has taken many lives. my thougts are on the famlies of the crew and pax that sadly perished . my thoughts goes to the sar team. my hope is that we can find a safe way to visit titanic. and not let the crew and pax of the titan given there lives in vain. rip crew and pax of the titan. 🧐😢😢

Most of my criticism is mostly aimed at how experimental the submersible was even before its lost when I saw a video around late-2022 or early-2023 about diving the wreck of the Titanic on CBS Channel with interview from the CEO (Who perish as he was onboard), commenting about the craft and the risk the dive poist, out of the 5 days they only managed to see the Titanic at the final day and return to the surfaced celebrating champagne. Would never have imagine that in a couple of months that 5 people including the CEO onboard along with a well known historian, would go missing and later it was determind that it "imploded" while decending to the wreck and while waiting to learn about their faith, decided to watch some videos like from Aron of SubBrief who is a former USN submariner and discuss about issues like using carbon fiber alloy infused with Titanium, hiring recent college graduate rather those with experience in the filed like former Submarines, Using a wireless controller, a waiver in case of an accident, and those who have both knowledge and in deep dive submersibles writing a letter against letting paying passenger aboard, before doing further test dive to certified it. Which where ignore by the company OceanGate. And now its been found in pices, more are starting to speak out about it with most of them being either Titanic Expert, Former Submariners and Naval Officers. Now included Bob Ballard and James Cameron who share their opinon especially JC who has experience with deep-dive submersibles beside being the director of Titanic (1997). But I personally have nothing against those on board even the CEO (though he still deserve the scrutiny), and feel really bad for their famalies about their lost also dosen't help when the press mention banging noise which naturally raises hope. Only to be inform they where lost from day 1 and their bodies will never be recovered is devestaing news to hear!

@dbefore7165

11 ай бұрын

How would a wired controller work?

I have sympathy to families of the passengers who were murdered by Stockton Rush's greed and incompetence. The more I hear about the Titan the more I hope some of the company executives spend some serious prison time for manslaughter. The design was a murder waiting to happen.

I don't rejoice at all over the death of these people, including Stockton Rush, but besides the obvious disregard for safety regulations and lack of ethics on the part of Ocean Gate, there is one aspect of these travels which I find disturbing. After they visited the Titanic and were safely back on ship, they would celebrate with a bottle of Champagne, as if they had won a Formula 1 race. I find that disrespectful, almost sacrilegious considering the scope of the tragedy that was the sinking of the Titanic. For me, that's literally like dancing on someone's grave. The Titanic is not a Mount Everest that can be climbed to make people proud. It is the final resting place of 1500 people who never made it to New York one awful night on April, 1912. I believe James Cameron really captured the meaning of this tragedy in his blockbuster movie. There is one scene in particular which hit people really hard at the time, so hard that they would start to cry uncontrollably in the movie theaters. It's when you could see all the people who survived the sinking but didn't make it to the lifeboats. There they were, floating in the middle of the ocean, at night, wearing life jackets, some frozen, some drowned. There were men and women, children and babies, rich and poor. Undoubtedly, the haunting OST by James Horner made the scene all the more poignant, but it really captured the meaning of Titanic. When visiting the Titanic site people ought to remember those souls lost at sea and pay their respects. It is entirely inappropriate for tourists to celebrate the 'achievement' of having been down there, because it shows that they haven't learned anything about this tragedy.

The company whos hosting the explorations should be held fully accountable, the vessle was a pile of crap from the get go!!!! But they wont because signed wavers were collected before the dive.

@jgs1703

11 ай бұрын

Waivers mean nothing.

My first reaction was one of sadness. But as I learn more how this vessel is assembled and created. I became angry. I'm no naval architecture or engineer. But I know that a sphere shaped object can resist pressure far better than a tube. And as I watched and learned how this thing was controlled. And have multiple single points of failure. I got even more angry. This was gross negligence. This was a complete disregard for safety in a pursuit of profit and low cost. I still remain sad for those who are lost. It's my general opinion that every person brings a little brightness to this world. And anyone's passing no matter who they might be dims the light of life. And to see these lives taken in the pursuit of profit, and a CEO who said (paraphrase) "I've broken many rules to make this vessel" This was just going to be a bad thing.

@Hookah_Horns

11 ай бұрын

"At some point, safety is just waste." - Stockton Rush

Two KZreadrs imho gave the best thoughts on this tragic subject matter. Sub Brief and Veteran Biker both of which served in the USN on board subs.

The sheer hubris of a business man ignoring everybody telling him the craft was not safe is, I think, part of why the reaction was so extreme. In a post-Musk space, rich people in a bad spot are seen as idiots playing god (often for good reasons I might add).

@TheGreatBigMove

11 ай бұрын

I totally understand criticism for the CEO and the company. Still, he was only one of the people onboard.

@freedomis4all

11 ай бұрын

@@TheGreatBigMove I think people put the paying customers in the same boat with the CEO since they paid a small fortune for the trip, even if they are purely victims. It says more about the socio-economic realities of the world right now than anything else. For me, the true tragedy is that he killed his son too. I cant help but not care about the father, he dug his own grave, but that his hubris led to the death of his own son leave me mortified and angry.

@madamebkrt

11 ай бұрын

@@freedomis4all Well said. Honestly I've spent a lot of today thinking about the son, it sickens me that he was involved. Not only was he so young but he was just a few years younger than me, and looked a LOT like someone I used to know. The news that apparently he was hesitant to go but talked into going for his father's sake is infuriating and distressing.

Super convenient how Rush's financial interest and the march of progress in deep-sea submersibles overlapped so completely. The company's marketing was deceptive. Rush was smugly dismissive of repeated, fulsome warnings about safety. Indeed, he seemed to have a chip on his shoulder about safety in general. When he talked about the supposedly stifling effects of regulation, he didn't sound like a brave explorer to me. He sounded like a plutocrat. I think it's perfectly reasonable to criticize that man; his hubris cost four people their lives.

I think the reactions have been what they are, mostly because of the sheer foolishness of the situation. They paid a million dollars, literally, to go down in a submarine-device which had not been tested, certified or fully vetted, piloted by a man who threw caution to the wind and who said that "safety is a waste". The sub was, by all accounts, incredibly poorly constructed out of wholly unsuitable materials and hadn't been properly maintained, even when it was working properly. The Titan wreck in many ways, mirrors the wreck of the Titanic itself - safety was ignored on a craft which would be placed in a situation that it was never designed to handle. Titanic - too few lifeboats in a sea full of icebergs, and relying on a falsehood of security to be their protection. Titan - not enough testing to ascertain whether it was actually capable of handling the ocean pressure at 4,000m down. In both instances - the higher-ups ignored the warnings and suggestions of those who expressed doubts. Because of this, the wreck of the Titan is seen as being comeuppence for the owner's stupidity and arrogance, in the same way that the sinking of the Titanic was seen as comeuppence for not having enough lifeboats and acting recklessly at sea in a known ice-field. On the other hand, there's also the fact that the whole thing was an enormous waste of money, using taxpayer dollars to search for people who could easily have paid for those expenses themselves.

@BatMan-sg9kh

11 ай бұрын

What makes it more in line with the Titanic is that 350+ migrants perished in a shipwreck around the same time, but because these people were billionaires, they stole the spotlight.

@litamtondy

11 ай бұрын

Wrong. The Titanic didn't rely on "the feeling of safety". The Titanic was a perfectly safe ship for the standards of the time, you saying the lifeboats were not enough for the standards of the day just proves your lack of fundamental historical knowledge. The Titanic was extremely well built, it just had the extreme misfortune to hit an iceberg. The real flaw was the reckless sailing through an ice field during the night. The OceanGate episode is a totally different situation: the company made everything in its power to avoid safety precautions, just to maximize profits. Many people died on the Titanic, because, at the time, lifeboats weren't required to be able to host all the passengers, so after the tragedy, rules were changed. In the Titan sub case, rules that could have prevented the accident are already in place, but they were purposely ignored. Two totally different situations.

@shahancheong9792

11 ай бұрын

@@litamtondy I never said anything about "standards of the day", and I never said anything about "the feeling of safety". I'm well aware of the history & nuance of the Titanic disaster. I said that it didn't have enough lifeboats, which it didn't. Just because I don't mention why it didn't, doesn't mean that I don't know why.

@litamtondy

11 ай бұрын

@@shahancheong9792 You wrote, and I quote, "safety was ignored" and "falsehood of security".

@shahancheong9792

11 ай бұрын

@@litamtondy yes, I was talking about the submarine, not the ship.

Its funny because despite they warnings they still continued.

Well said x

I absolutely agree criticism should not be levied at the fact that the victims paid an exorbitant amount of money for the trip; you’re right, we all have some seemingly-ludicruous dream we’d be willing to pay for. I think mine, and lot of people’s ire is aimed at the cavalier attitude of those involved. To follow along with you analogy, we do indeed sympathize with skiers and/or other extreme sports participants who suffer injuries while fulfilling their dreams, but I think the difference lies in their attitide and training. A pro skier suffering an injury after years of practice is one thing. A beginner breaking their backs while attempting a black diamond run day one is another. Yes, life is all about risking big to win big, but there is a major difference between a calculated risk and reckless endangerment. We see this every day with people getting lost in the wilderness: they overeatimate their abilities and pay the ultimate cost. My counterpoint to you is chasing a dream is admirable, recklessly putting yourself in a damgerous situation you are ill-prepared for is foolish and puts others at risk who must not lay down their lives to attempt to save yours.

@TheGreatBigMove

11 ай бұрын

The CEO can be blamed for being reckless. I’m not sure than the passengers can be.

@LJ3783

11 ай бұрын

@@TheGreatBigMove That's a fair point. An interesting discussion would be the responsibility of a participant, or in this case passengers, in a dangerous endeavour such as this.

I haven't personally heard anyone laughing at the accident, whenever something like this happens there are always the odd playground joke about it, weather it be the Challenger disaster or Princess Diana's car crash , even in the Titanic world we have all heard jokes about the swimming pool still being full of water or jokes about the Lobsters. The only thing that really got me angry was that the passengers/victims had to sign a disclaimer in the event of death Ocean Gate would not be held responsible,

I utterly despise the idea of Titanic being treated like a tourist attraction but it’s not their fault that happened. They didn’t deserve to die. Though I am also infuriated that their lives were even put at risk like that.

I have empathy, but I'm also angry at the hubris of the company's CEO who ignored all the warnings (and fired one of those who raised the alarm); who sneered at safety standards; and willingly took other people with him on that dive. You want to put your life at risk in an experimental craft, be my guest and good luck, but the instant you took on passengers, you became responsible for them (though I wouldn't be surprised if he had them sign an agreement that their next of kin would not sue if something happened). But I also have empathy for the refugees who died when their overcrowded craft capsized in the Mediterranean, which was not covered to the same extant as this fiasco was. The people who died on the submersible did so instantaneously. Someone trapped inside the darkened, flooding, compartment of a capsizing ship didn't have that mercy. In a way, these two disasters parallel that of the Titanic itself, where most of those lost were either in steerage or members of the crew. Fame and/or wealth guarantees widespread attention and public expressions of sympathy, the lack of these things gets you very little of either. Finally, the fact that it's a mass GRAVE notwithstanding, the continuing dives on the Titanic (tourist or otherwise) are accelerating the deterioration of the wreck itself. The wreck has also sustained additional damage from submersibles using it as a landing pad. I remember being thrilled when Ballard found the wreck in '85. These days I find myself wishing he'd failed. Rant over.

I 100% agree. I really don't like how people are treating this disaster. But then again I personally have a really cruel sense of humour. I see the memes and im sorry but i just cant help myself.

My thoughts differ from yours on this subject. I don’t think I’ve personally heard anyone laugh about the passengers dying or saying they deserved it, My opinion is that for all the money that they have you would think they should be a bit more intelligent than to go into a submersible that is basically slapped together with substandard materials. Also, this company has been known to have quite some problems in its past. Yes indeed risk is a part of life, But if I were going to risk my life bungee jumping or any other kind of dangerous activity I sure as Hell wouldn’t get my equipment from the Family dollar store?!.. And, I know the news loves a spectacular piece to report on;…But there’s a lot of other people that died that day throughout America that haven’t gotten any recognition at all… These passengers were no more or less important than anyone else…

@TheGreatBigMove

11 ай бұрын

Agreed, maybe they could have done a bit more research before choosing this particular expedition.

I am so sorry for this tragedy. I do not think that the Titanic should be used as a tourist place because it is a horrible graveyard. I do not fault anyone for wanting to visit this famous ship.

As someone who's laughed at this situation and as someone who's done stand-up comedy professionally, I can tell you that the adage "comedy equals tragedy plus distance" is very apt. The distance of the equation can be chronological ("too soon bro"), it can be geographical, and it can also be socio-economical. The reason people are laughing at this event is the economic and social distance between them and those who died. You said in your video that a trip like the one offered by Oceangate was one that, while extremely expensive, was obtainable for someone with a "good job" and some time for saving up. I have to tell you, I know not a single person with the ability to even save up for a $250,000 week long (I'm guessing) vacation. True, ski trips can run up a bill, but nothing even close to that... even Everest can be done cheaper... a lot cheaper. This was approaching private space flight amount of money. People are laughing and mocking because these folks were insanely wealthy and died in a humbling way. That they had an entire average-home-price-in-Ohio amount of money to spend on what amounted to a joy ride is appalling to people who can't make their rent or even afford for the kids to road trip to see grandma this year. I get that you're close to this as a trip like that is something you'd do almost anything for, but the whole situation is absurd and thus many, even the non-edgelords among us, find it funny. I'll agree with your thumbnail to an extent: not all of the victims were at fault. Stockton Rush definitely ignored calls for safety inspections and warnings from industry leaders/experts. The blood of his passengers are on every single person who didn't call his BS and didn't try to stop him. Billionaires think they don't have to listen to reason or that they can threaten whistleblowers into silence... four people died on Rush's "sewer slide" mission.

@nightw4tchman

11 ай бұрын

100% this.

@nicktallfox5266

11 ай бұрын

One of those guys was a bonafide billionaire. 250k for a billionaire is like the price of an Uber for the average person. And if the info that the 19 yo son didn't even want to be there in the first place is true, it diminishes the argument of diving the Titanic as being something one desires as a dream come true. Here you are, with an unreal dream that one day, just maybe, you could see the Titanic with your own eyes if you save up enough money. And then there's this dude who will accomplish your dream without even wanting to because his industrial tycoon father dragged him on an overpriced family roadtrip. It's like the difference between NASA launching scientists into space to further human progress Vs Jeff Bezos going up there on a dick shaped rocket just because he felt like it. Be it envy or socio-economic distance, it's quite clear why people laugh at this.

@jviation737

11 ай бұрын

Brilliantly said

Honestly, after this, I think this should be the wake up call that we should just leave the Titanic in peace. Let it spend its final resting place in solitude with its remains. No more salvaging, no more visits, just leave it be.

@jgs1703

11 ай бұрын

How about no. One dumbass ignores all the rules and regulations and it should ruin it for everyone else?

@seanpruitt6801

11 ай бұрын

If will be lost to history. We must do everything we can to preserve the ship and her artifacts.

@jgs1703

11 ай бұрын

@seanpruitt6801 bring up more artifacts. Lets make mass tourism a thing to the titanic and drive the cost down.

@twistedaxles9126

11 ай бұрын

Imo, a wreck site where thousands of people died should not be treated as a God damn amusement park, you dont pay to go see a ship in the bottom of the ocean, especially Titanic.

@cbennett1

11 ай бұрын

​@twistedaxles9126 then nevwr visit any hostoric battle site, never visit any historic graveyard, never visit ground zero, never visit anything. Death is part of every aspect of human history, and coincides with big moments. I think the "respect it as a graveyard even though visiting graveyards is totally normal" is a dumb take.

The 2 common reactions your seeing about people laughing over the situation and or criticising those involved in the accident is a result of current human society. Since 2016 there has been a increase in people who due to social issues, and or economic or political issues has turned into cruel, and heartless individuals who will target anyone that suddenly is suffering or undergoing hardships. This is due to the culture of hate, and cruelty that has grown since the 2010s. Its doesn't matter if that person is homeless, or if they were a hardworking individual, or a wealthy individual. If that person is suffering something these people will attack them. They thrive on the misery. This lack of empathy or compassion will continue until society is able to change its views on these issues.

I agree that ridicule is not an appropriate response, if nothing else considering their next of kin, but we also shouldn’t paint this as some great tragedy. Both the crew and passengers knew that they exposed themselves to extreme perils by undertaking this expedition, they did so anyway purely for their own enjoyment, and they suffered the consequences of these actions. There are people who suffer from far greater evils in this world through no fault is their own that better deserve your sympathy.

@mosgrovecleancutkid681

11 ай бұрын

Good point well made.

I don’t feel bad at all for them. They knew the risks and signed up to go on that death trap. I do also not think Titanic really needs to be visited anymore because of how well documented it is and it’s not going to be there for much longer anyway as the years go on. Let those who perished there rest and left undisturbed.

@TheMango852

11 ай бұрын

The father of the 19 year old who died pressured is son to go with him. The son was terrified but caved to the social pressure. Hindsight is always 20/20. It is easy to go "it worked last time" or "these people are professional, they know what they are doing, I am not going to question anything." How many times have you had those thoughts in your life, then look back and go "yeah that was dumb, I should of thought that through."

@edeliteedelite1961

11 ай бұрын

You don't feel bad "at all"? Are you mentally challenged or unwell?

@litamtondy

11 ай бұрын

Have you ever heard about something called "logic"? If something is going to disappear soon, it's a valid reason to go and see it.

If empathy, for a single life lost, escapes you then it wouldn't matter to you if 1500 lives were lost. Because there are people who are saddened by the knowledge that 5 people were killed during this tragic event, my faith in human empathy is renewed. It is shocking however when some have no empathy at all. Thank you for this video. It puts things into perspective.

@rriflemann308

11 ай бұрын

Good people have empathy, draw your own conclusions for the people that have no empathy.

@shortbushero

11 ай бұрын

Not to pull politics, but I’ve seen many champagne socialists talking how they all (19 year old included) deserved it. However, the sub was shoddy to begin with, carbon fiber is more conductive and in salt water, it’s higher on the galvanic scale than titanium, which is already high up. It was galvanically corrosive and it was tenfold then prior submersibles. However, those materials used on one or two dives would have been fine and safe. This however, was more than that. It’s oversight. And it’s human nature.

@sledgehammerk35

11 ай бұрын

@@shortbushero I’ve seen the same reaction, on Twitter especially. Just because these passengers had money to go on the trip, somehow it devalues their lives. I just can’t comprehend how someone can think that way or even arrive at that conclusion. It truly baffles me.

So I'll throw in my two cents. I'm playing very much devil's advocate here, just stating what I think people might be thinking, not opining on the validity of having such thoughts, so please don't infer any value judgments in what I'm about the write. I'm going to be intentionally harsh because I'm analyzing fairly negative emotional impulses. The difference between tragedy and comedy, is sympathy, so the question should be, why do these five men get so little sympathy? We often joke about lawyers in a way that's completely unsympathetic, but I think billionaire businessmen might be an even more vilified group than lawyers. It's simply very easy to hate a rich person you've never met, especially if he runs some company that does something obtuse and financish that few people understand. It's become even easier recently with so many people suddenly finding themselves in a worsening financial situation. Someone like an athlete or a move director may also be very rich, but they also tend to be people we like because they entertain us. A billionaire businessman will get very little sympathy in the best of times. This case also stands out for being outlandish. A rich man dying on a ski slope isn't very remarkable because lots of people die while skiing. Dying on a tourist submarine visiting the titanic is already such a strange way to go that it's hard to avoid the impulse to laugh even when the people involved ARE sympathetic. For example, does the phrase "blimp disaster" sound at least a bit humorous? Improbable, bizarre things like that tend to illicit humour. Oceangate also has the feeling of a silicone valley hype-beast company. Most people hate these kinds of companies. They often show up in the news with ridiculous or even fraudulent products which fail spectacularly, and they often have "rock star" founders who hype them too the moon and act super arrogant. Of course, very few of the audience commenting actually know anything about Oceagate, but to me, that's the sort of company it SMELLS like. When you learn a little about this company, it SOUNDS like one of these ridiculous tech hype companies that are always failing in ridiculous ways. Whether that instinct is fair or not in this case, Oceangate right away has the intuitive sound of an obnoxious fraud. Then too, there's the matter of passivity. If someone dies climbing a mountain, the assumption is that he was a fairly skilled person doing something challenging. From the start, this has been referred to as a TOURIST submarine. Tourists are passive. They're along for the ride to have fun. Fair or not, dying in such a passive way is often perceived as inauspicious. Also, everyone hates tourists. Almost all of us have been one, yet we also hate them, because a tourist who isn't you is automatically an annoying idiot you'd be embarrassed to spend time with. So what we have is a group of billionaire businessmen (a group of people we reflexively dislike from a distance) who are also tourists (a group of people we reflexively disrespect), who died in one of the most outlandish ways possible, while in the care of a company that looked completely ridiculous. The result of this emotional equation is an reflex to find their deaths amusing. Depending on one's own moral compass, one might choose to voice this impulse or not, but the impulse itself is very hard to avoid.

I feel so bad for the people on board and their families

@crispay8304

11 ай бұрын

Rip to those rich mf who wanted to gawk at a graveyard 🙏

@greydearing

10 ай бұрын

​@@crispay8304 a graveyard filled with poor people who were shoved out of the way of getting into lifeboats by rich people

@f40carz93

10 ай бұрын

@@greydearing dawg what the reason why so many 3rd class passengers died is because they were deep below the ship, and they were unable to make it up to the boat deck.

😔 RIP 😭 to 😔 all 😭 of 😭 the 😔 victims 😔😭😔😭😭😔😔😭

Great this just means more Titianic related videos to be milked for on youtube

Well like i said, my condolence was a little bit _rocky_ to this type of tradegy that happend. I mean, look, okay, 250.000$ is a lot of money, we can't pay our selves here and i know, we have people that spending ludricous money on cars, luxurious watches, cards, planes even clothes or houses and so on, i understand that. But when you are planning a lifetime dream to go see the wreck of the _Titanic_ , you _must_ spend more than 250.000$ for a trip deep down the ocean. My human brain and mind says, that this trip would cost millions to go down, but i know also, with those spend money, i would savely reach the wreck without a problem and can watch a glimpse out of a 15cm bulleye from the submarine like the crew of James Cameron with the Mir 1 and 2. I mean the point to reach high doubt to come out of the ocean alive and not death would be when i saw the submarine. I would never go inside the _Titan_ . Even i had 250.000$. I saw the _Titan_ on the other trips and i wasn't very happy about that.

Don't have an opinion of the people onboard or involved or the company itself due to lack of knowledge. Haven't been following the news on this either but have gotten my knowledge from my ocean liners channels on KZread. I assumed before I knew that the US Navy knew the location of the submersible due to their worldwide hydrophone listening system. I also assumed that the submersible had imploded and that everyone onboard probably didn't feel a thing of physical pain. As for the reaction part I think we need to address people on the internet just as in the real world, with respect. There's so much hate on the internet and I don't get it. Media has failed not only in this matter but in general. It's all about getting clicks and making money. It doesn't matter what the truth is and unfortunately some KZread channels are better on the truth than big newspapers.

RIP To all the victims and prayers to the families!!!!

Because society's emotional connection to the _Titanic_ Disaster has been lost to the passage of time, exploitation of it has taken its place, resulting in the disaster essentially being commercialized, with every imaginable item for consumers to show off their favorite tragedy with memorabilia about the sinking. Nautical Study's video on the matter goes into more detail about this than I'd like to in this comment. The reason why I am bringing the topic up is because the disconnection from the _Titanic_ has resulted in the _Titan's_ potential loss not being taken seriously, even less so when the news was confirmed, as well as it being referred to by her relation to the ship. A big chunk of Facebook calls her "The _Titanic_ Submarine" rather than by her name, which is even more bizarre given that her name isn't even that different. My guess is that this is a byproduct of the false notion that the _Titanic_ was badly designed despite the reality being that the ship was unlucky, not unsafe. And regardless of the financial position of the _Titan's_ occupants, being wealthy does not make you an inherently bad person. Human lives were still lost. The loss of the _Titan_ is something that is probably going to put an emotional weight on the rest of my life for what it represents. Until now, dives to the _Titanic_ have never yielded fatalities, which cannot be said for almost every other notable shipwreck in the world. It was something that made the _Titanic's_ wreck so different from the rest, a sort of untouchable status that I was so sure would remain the case. When word spread that the submersible had vanished, I knew from the start that their hopes for survival were very low, and my hopes were similarly low. But about halfway between then and now, I gained some hope when sounds of banging were picked up by the sonar equipment. I entertained the possibility that this could have been a repeat of Apollo 13, with passengers and crew that return home after after a catastrophic malfunction that would leave their craft in danger of becoming their tomb. While I knew that it was not likely that the occupants of the _Titan_ had survived, part of me hoped for the miracle it would be for such a thing to happen. But there was no miracle, and now five people are dead inside the remains of a mangled exploration craft, with the only consolation for their families being that a sad, but definitive conclusion was reached, rather than being left in suspense as to the fate of their loved ones. Now the wreck of the _Titanic_ has lost that comparable lack of fatalities in its exploration, something that I didn't think I'd hear about despite it happening on other wrecks. _"Because we were so_ sure. _Because even though it's happened, it's still unbelievable. I don't think I'll ever feel sure again. About anything."_

We laugh because the avalanche is a freak accident where as the titan was the only factor dictating life or death. I know you're trend baiting but he more logical with your argument. That thing was a death trap and the people who built it cover their ass knowing how unfit it was

@TheGreatBigMove

11 ай бұрын

An avalanche is not always a freak accident. But you can substitute it with a skier hitting a tree if you want. You would still sympathize with the skier, I hope.

I wonder if you could also talk about the ~400-500 people who died on the ship off the coast of Greece. They weren’t rich, they weren’t great explorers, they were poor, desperate people seeking a better life for themselves, but somehow unworthy of much press, or any other form of notice. Yet, in the end, like so many folk who have started out on such journeys, they showed incredible bravery to take the leap in hopes of a better life - like my ancestors did. On their behalf I will say may they rest in peace, forgotten by all except those who loved them.

@TheGreatBigMove

11 ай бұрын

It's not really on theme for this channel. Of course that story is important to be covered, but not here. I don't have the expertise to talk about it anyway.

@kevinmiller7792

11 ай бұрын

@@TheGreatBigMove ok - thanks for replying. I appreciate your videos. I have worked for NASA for almost 35 years now and our hubris killed 2 shuttles full of astronauts - I hate to see people ignore sound engineering, managers who won’t listen to others opinions, and the refusal to learn from previous experience.

@cag2012

11 ай бұрын

​@@TheGreatBigMovecurious why 500 migrants trying to move to a better life is not considered "on theme" for a channel titled "the great big move." Or is the channel only about rich people moving?

@TheGreatBigMove

11 ай бұрын

​@@cag2012 This channel is almost exclusively about historic ocean liners. You're free to make a KZread channel about whatever you'd like to discuss.

@cag2012

11 ай бұрын

The fact that you can defend a small group of white men who wanted to look at an ocean liner's wreck / mass grave yet don't care about a huge group of people migrating for comparable reasons to those who travelled on ocean liners speaks volumes. Why are you defending these people with such callous disregard for others? This is the source of the memes you don't understand 🤷‍♀️

I've been really shocked by the lack of empathy for those who lost their lives in this tragic event. To me it doesn't matter how much money someone has, everyone is deserving of empathy. The fact that people were cracking jokes when there was thought to be a possibility the men were alive and running out of oxygen (plus a Twitter account being dedicated to the countdown of how much oxygen they had left) leaves a really poor taste in the mouth and makes me question humanity. Some other thoughts: - Lots of people also can't seem to grasp why people would want to go and see Titanic, or think it's disrespectful to do so. My personal opinion is that, like you, I'm fascinated by Titanic, so if it was safe and money were no object then I'd love to see it. I also think it's fine to see it as long as subs are careful not to damage the wreck and to treat it with respect (I know some subs have caused damage, but this is another matter). After all, the ship is a piece of history that will not be with us for much longer. - There's been comparisons to the migrant crisis and how hundreds of people lost their lives in the Mediterranean recently and didn't have as much media coverage. My heart goes out to the victims and families involved in both accidents recently - they're not mutually exclusive. - I'm feeling really conflicted about Stockton Rush. The more that comes out about him, the more he sounds incredibly arrogant and irresponsible. Maybe I'm too nice, but I do still feel bad for him. He obviously could not conceive of anything like this happening to Titan, the same way Captain Smith couldn't conceive of anything happening to Titanic. There's something to say about the hubris of mankind here, and lessons need to be learned to make future dives safe. It's crazy to me that a ship could be sent out to sea without enough lifeboats back in 1912, and it's also crazy that Titan was completely unregulated and able to cut corners. Regulations are written in blood, as they say. TL;DR: It's really sad and my thoughts are with the families of the five men.

@schizy

11 ай бұрын

One can obtain a much better view of the Titanic in complete safety with a PC or smart phone. (as opposed to viewing in complete darkness through a washing machine sized window) The Titanic, 100 years later, is still taking lives.

@Hookah_Horns

11 ай бұрын

Nobody who's had internet access for a significant amount of time should be surprised. One thing the internet has taught us is that are a ton of pieces of shit out there.

The dead were volunteers. They chose to go into an extremely dangerous environment. Just like every submariner, hard hat diver, or SCUBA diver. I've never seen someone forced into a minisub at gunpoint. Volunteers, mate.

@TheGreatBigMove

11 ай бұрын

Nobody is forced to get on an airplane either, but we still sympathize with victims of plane crashes.

@lifekilleradil335

11 ай бұрын

​@@TheGreatBigMove people travel on an airplane to get from point A to point B. The flight itself isn't the point of recreation in any of the cases. And flights certainly don't cost quarter of a million bucks.

@davidgreen40

11 ай бұрын

@@TheGreatBigMove Aircraft are far more common and reliable than one-of experimental minisubs diving to ~4,000 meters BSL.

@burntnougat5341

11 ай бұрын

​@@TheGreatBigMoveaviation is highly regulated where not a single nut or bolt goes unaccounted for. It's also not an experimental industry like this joke of a submarine or the virgin galactic vehicles are

@jviation737

11 ай бұрын

​​​​​​@@TheGreatBigMove I usually enjoy your content, but that's a terrible analogy. Aircraft and aviation are heavily regulated, with everyone having years of expertise and an impeccable safety record compared to other modes of transportation. There's a reason plane crashes make big headlines: they're incredibly rare, and aviation is the safest mode of transportation. When people perish in an aircraft accident, they're not billionaires going on holiday or to visit a wreck-they're families returning home, people going to work, reunions, etc. A stark contrast from the hubris of people spending quadruple the amount of some people's yearly wage to look at a wreck through a peephole. People are struggling to eat, find homes, and find employment, yet others carelessly spend capacious amounts of money on essentially tourism (I understand Oceangate wasn't entirely tourism and did some research, but taking regular civilians like their last journey was for pure tourism and theater of the wreck). It is hard for people to relate to that. Playing sports or riding a motorcycle is not the same as diving on the Titanic. Many people do that, and the risks are exponentially lower. I don't expect to implode when I play basketball. I don't sign a waiver acknowledging that I may die. And I certainly don't pay $250,000 for it. Titan was not a random, unexpected, or "act-of-god" tragedy. It was bound to happen eventually with a CEO who disregarded safety, believed in cutting corners, and mocked those who questioned him. Aviation is the exact opposite; I recommend you pick up a FAR AIM regulation book to see how extensive safety and rules are for aviation yourself. As an avid fan of oceanliners, the ocean, and ships myself, I'd rather respect the grave and wreck than visit it. Go to a museum or let professionals and scientists handle expeditions. Not the general public. I am really disappointed in your responses and lack of understanding

Huge risk just to brag they'd been "there." That's all I'm saying. You know deep down (12 500 feet) that's why they did it. Lying I'm dying.

I feel sorry for everyone except the CEO. He had multiple warnings and risked other people's lives. I'm no expert but I could see the issue with carbon fiber and a non spherical hull at that depth.

@TheGreatBigMove

11 ай бұрын

Fair enough

@dyslexicbatnam1350

11 ай бұрын

And apparently the window on the sub was only built to support a depth of 1000 meters. The Titanic is almost at 4000.

A loss of life is horrible, yet here. It was all so avoidable. Given there was no need for any of this except a well off person to have something to talk about and profit for a company off a prior tragedy. Go to a museum, or read a research paper or even a ROV. Also, I have guarded the incredibly wealthey in my life and... you need to realize they don't sympathize with us in the least. Horrible as it may sound. This is also far removed from any of us. kind of like reading two rich folks getting into a car accident in 1901. Why should not the Farmer of that time find it amusing or uncarimg when they don't relate or understand threshing accidents.

@TheGreatBigMove

11 ай бұрын

To be clear, this video is not defending their wealth or wealth inequality in general.

people are laughing at this? that's outrageous! its a tragedy! the world is SICK! D:

I think most people are tired of millions of dollars and resources wasted on idiot adventurers who think they can do whatever they feel like and expect society to foot the bill if they need to be rescued

@TheGreatBigMove

11 ай бұрын

Often, hikers who need to be rescued have to pay the bill if they were found to be unprepared. If they were prepared, they wouldn’t in most cases. I think that’s reasonable. We pay taxes for these things.

Could the Titan been sabotaged?

In a world of horrific inflation and wealth inequality caused by the uber wealthy, where most Americans don't have access to affordable healthcare, people will only become more cruel and uncaring of the lives of the uber wealthy. Entirely valid, even if a sad reality.

Totally agree. While i strongly disagree with tourists paying quarter of a million dollars to visit Titanic which is a grave site, in no way shape or form did i ever wish them dead or think they deserved to die! I feel a combination of both sadness and anger at the lapse of safety involved.

Historians and researchers will be discussing the Titan tragedy for years to come. It will invariably become whole chapters in some future Titanic books and articles. Titanic has become a synonym for tragedy in our everyday discourse. Of all the seemingly endless array of ironies in the story of the RMS Titanic, add to that list the fate of a submersible named Titan.

Dang, this video hits deep in the feels. 13,000 feet deep.

The blatant disregard for basic safety and redundant systems on board something supposedly designed to do an extremely dangerous task is what did it for me.

Maybe they should have had to pay a 10 or 20 million dollar deposit before they went? That may have covered some of the expense of the rescue effort? No. That burden fell on the taxpayer's shoulders. All for some extremely rich people's "adventure."

Here’s a thought…300-400 poor desperate people drowned on their way from Libya to Italy ….and not a word in the media…meanwhile 5 billionaires die on their way to a pleasure trip and everyone’s going nuts.

@okankyoto

11 ай бұрын

If they drowned on their way to the titanic it would've also been big news. The news loves niche things- if you're a thai soccer kid or a chilean miner it doesn't matter- so long as the situation is novel they'll go for it.

Thank you for giving a sane perspective on this tragedy.

There is no reason to laugh or to hate the dead passengers. But there is also no reason to be too desperate. Ok, its a very bad accident but all of them know that they paid for the trip to the Titanic. They dont paid for 100% safety because thats impossible. If its not enough to see the sunken Titanic on pics or videos they must accept the risk. Its the same like the private trips into the outer space. The only reason to judge these people is because others want (or need) to seek and rescue them and risking their own lives. To risk my life is my own decision. But i should never forget that other people will risk their lives if i'm failing.

I respectfully ask do you perhaps know what it's like to live in real poverty? See your parents hard-faced and stressed about life and receive a beating as a result? Go days without much more than a few bites of bread or baked beans, maybe eaten cold because there's no gas. See one of your parents become a burned out shell of a person who dies of a cardiac arrest on the production line and you never receive so much as a card from the corporation, who also successfully argues that it was not a work related injury and so pays no compensation for the family? And then you watch billionaire CEOs spend that cash that could have gone to providing at least some dignity to their employees, watch them blow that cash on rockets or deep sea subs all to get an exclusive thrill at enormous expense. Personally l find the whole ghastly episode extraordinarily distasteful.

@lifekilleradil335

11 ай бұрын

Finally someone who made some sense...

It is 100 percent a hated of rich people.

@edeliteedelite1961

11 ай бұрын

And an insecurity about their own intellect.

@z54964380

11 ай бұрын

⁠@@edeliteedelite1961lol pretty sure them rich ppl have 0 iq right now after their entire bodies being crushed to smithereens, so much for their INTELLECTUAL SUPERIORITY LOL

I found the jokes, memes and general mockery of this incident distasteful. That's as simple as I can word it

John 12:4-6 KJV Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him, Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor? This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.

I feel bad for them. I’m kinda indifferent, but I find all the memes about it just plain disrespectful. The worst thing is, this disaster was completely preventable. Even though the CEO was (kinda) responsible for it, I still feel bad for him.

What I have a problem with is that all those who stepped into that garbage can either didn't do a whit of research about this now "Heaven's Gate" sham company as I refer to it as or didn't care. I have no feelings about how much of a dream this was for them to undertake. What good is living a dream when it abruptly ends halfway thru and you are oblivious of it. I don't believe any of the passengers did any research on what they were getting themselves into. I mean one was an explorer of some renowned (and you don't get to be renowned by being unprepared and sloppy) And in this case, research, investigating and studying everything about this pile of junk was your prep. Even if I had the same intense love of adventure, the sea and remains of a dead ship and wanted nothing more than to sink to the abyss and see it with my own eyes, I still value my exsistence more (and I bet they did too) The money is meaningless. That's just small minds filled with jealousy. Unless you honestly had a deathwish (and I don't believe any of these humans did) and you knew that this Rush fool cut corners on equipment and wouldn't allow his inferior tube to be checked and scutinized by _EXPERT_ no less (he knew it would never pass any inspection) and would still go, then see you on the "other side bud. I don't care what anyone else thinks, but I knew this was wrong right from the beginning just by how disturbed I felt and for how long I felt it. In the short time that this began and ended I researched heavily and could clearly see that none of the "tourists" did any of their own. They took the word of an arrogant con artist who somehow convinced himself that he knew something that authentic credible submariners did not know and we go full circle because that is my problem. I get what you are saying about other dangerous pastimes, sports even jobs being dangerous, BUT they know, for the most part, what they are getting into. It is ALWAYS a tragedy when a life is lost, but it is even worse when it shuldn't have happened. That supposed sub was good only for bobbing on the surface with a tether attached and a backup tether. It was always going to end like this...An utter waste. My sympathies go to the families and those that went beyond all to try and find them \m/

The son who felt obligated to go with his father isn't at fault, the rest of them are.

@TheGreatBigMove

11 ай бұрын

Taking a risk and losing out doesn't make you wrong or worthy of death and ridicule.

@TheGreatBigMove

11 ай бұрын

@arkady7739 only one of them was the CEO.

@TheGreatBigMove

11 ай бұрын

@arkady7739 only one of them was the CEO.

I can get dead for a lot less than $250K.

I know no one asked for my opinion but the thing I hate most about the reaction to this tragedy is that people think the victims are bad people and are hating them because their billionaires. That’s not the right response to this. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, no one, rich or poor, deserves to die at 19 years old

I never had any hope of that people being alive. Given they lost contact after roughly 1h and 45 min, that immediately told me the submarine had imploded on its way down and its wreck was probably lying by the other wreck they went to see. They were closer to the bottom than the surface, thus they were most likely on the bottom. At least they didn’t suffer. Who wouldn’t like to die in the blink of an eye? Anyways, I don’t feel bad about them and don’t have to feel any shame for not feeling anything. As I see it, they were there on their own and doing something irrelevant, similar to what people that climb the Everest do. None of these activities help humanity achieving anything, it solves none of our current issues and doesn’t make this a better place, so is just pointless. The problem to me lies is that people like these get themselves into danger for nothing relevant and when things go wrong, emergency rescue services have to launch expensive, complex and lengthy rescue operations that is most cases end up finding nothing and being cancelled after weeks and millions spent to not discover/recover anything. And even when they do, people are already dead and the search efforts end up being a waste of time that cost countries millions in tax payer money and also put at risk the lives of those are involved in the search. And the question is, all this for the benefit of what?

You can lock yourself in a closet and be safe or go out and live. What they did was dangerous but made a choice, "Their choice." Sometimes people die doing something they want to do. Life is a "Crap Shoot," but that is better than living in a closet.

You haven't addressed the ugliest side to this story which was the amount of press attention it received compared to a far far worse boating tragedy that occured days before involving up to 200 children drowned in the Mediterranean. I have to ask you, why do you think seeing the Titanic would be a life changing experience? Really don't know why you think it's appropriate for anyone to burn thousands on a trip to see a boat when others can't afford to eat or house themselves or their family. Lots of people find that really appalling and rightly so. I feel like you've become emotionally involved with this story in a way that is a little over the top. 5 wealthy people died who all until that point had lived comfortable western lives! Far worse tragedy is happening everywhere all around us every minute. Maybe you could at least mention the migrant disaster from last week and put things into perspective. All the best.

@TheGreatBigMove

11 ай бұрын

The migrant story has nothing to do with this story aside from happening simultaneously. That story would never be covered by this channel since it’s far outside the scope of the channel and my knowledge base. It has more to do with the politics of countries whose politics I know nothing about than historic ocean liners.

@mosgrovecleancutkid681

11 ай бұрын

@@TheGreatBigMove Is it not true though that the incident which happened close to the Titanic actually has very little to do with the Titanic or ocean liners either?.. other than they were trying to dive to look at it. Now, when you wrote about this incident, sending your thoughts to the people involved you went completely outside the normal scope of the channel, and that's why I felt it was entirely appropriate to point out that a far worse tragedy had taken place days before which was was given scant attention in the media compared to the submarine despite it being bigger human tragedy of unimaginable scale. I appreciate it's not your field of expertise but please understand that a lot of sane minded people I know, and myself included found the difference in media attention just sick and racist. Important to note that I enjoy the channel a lot and probably wouldn't have even mentioned it if I didn't consider myself a fan of the channel. Best wishes.

@TheGreatBigMove

11 ай бұрын

@@mosgrovecleancutkid681 I don’t think it’s off-topic personally. I would do a video on the discovery of Titanic’s wreck or something along those lines if it was easier to get usable (public domain, Creative Commons, etc.) images and footage. I have enough base knowledge of those subjects to justify a video on it.

Play stupid games win stupid prizes

The use and waste of wealth is not morally neutral in a world of suffering and poverty. That is all.

It is tragic and being pulverized by tons of water is not a way to go. The unfortunate thing is it was a billionaire's stupidity and ignorance that caused the tragedy.

jesus... stop whining. there is a lot more going around right now in this crazy world...

@kristoffer3000

11 ай бұрын

Like the 300 people that died because a ship sank in the mediterranean, but people don't know about that because they weren't rich enough for people to care about.

@edeliteedelite1961

11 ай бұрын

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@okankyoto

11 ай бұрын

@@kristoffer3000 Its not that they were rich- its that they were diving to the Titanic. If they had died in a yachting accident the news wouldn't give a crap.

@TheGreatBigMove

11 ай бұрын

@@kristoffer3000 Seems like anyone with an internet connection knows about the ship in the Mediterranean. Maybe it wasn't covered on CNN, but the good news for you is almost nobody watches CNN.

@kristoffer3000

11 ай бұрын

@@TheGreatBigMove You're coping so damn hard, holy...

The reaction to this from certain groups of people online are truly disgusting and show why nobody likes them. Their entire worldview is driven by nothing but envy.

I'm disgusted by all the memes and wonder will 9/11 memes pop up in 100 years as a joke with no respect to historical tragedies

@nicktallfox5266

11 ай бұрын

bruh 9/11 memes are popping up all the time RIGHT NOW. There are adults today that were born after it happened and let me tell you the amount of memes involving 9/11 that gen z makes is staggering. Gen z is disassociated from the world as is, and even more so from things that happened before they were born and they make light of it a lot purely because how often they see it brought up without having any real emotional connection to it. Some also see it through the lens of the subsequent outpouring of nationalist and militaristic sentiment and purposefully laugh at how America tried to turn this awful tragedy into an everlasting emotional tool for military recruitment. Thus things like "911 neva fogret!! ✈️🏢🏢" and a ton of vids where the punchline is the video of one of the planes hitting the tower.

This is of course a tragedy, but I don't understand the insane amount of media attention this has gotten. In the same week a ship with 700 migrants has sunk just off the coast of Greece. About 100 rescued, the rest presumed dead. And nobody bats an eye. But when 5 rich people are missing suddenly the whole world is interested in their search and rescue. Smh

@edeliteedelite1961

11 ай бұрын

It is an unusual manner of death that obviously captures the morbid curiosity of the general population more and the fact that the victims were billionaires makes it more impactful to the world.