1:41 "A thought is just what consciousness looks like when viewed through the narrow lens of a finite mind at a particular moment."

@Austination316

7 ай бұрын

Can someone explain me what this means

@nsbd90now

7 ай бұрын

@@Austination316 Rupert Spira basically does what is called "phenomenology"-- which is describing the human experience of reality. His main point is to distinguish the experience of just being simply aware, and then all the objects of awareness. The tricky insight is that your experience of "thoughts, feelings, sensations and perceptions" are NOT your "self" or the "I" even thought it seems from them that "you" are someone in your head and behind your eyes. He calls this the experience of being or having "a separate self" or "the finite mind" and it is what causes suffering. But the reality is that's just another object of experience like a sofa, or a table. YOU are _the awareness_ of those thoughts, feelings, sensations and perceptions. At first, we only grasp this intellectually, but with practice, our sense of self-identity changes to be more in line with reality and so suffering diminishes replaced with peace and happiness.

@Austination316

7 ай бұрын

@@nsbd90now wow thanks, it helped me alot 😀

@nsbd90now

7 ай бұрын

@@Austination316 Oh good! I think he has really hit upon such a clear and contemporary way of talking about these topics.

I really appreciate you making these videos available for free online to those of us who can't afford to attend retreats.

Every time I listen to him, a layer of ignorance falls off. Thank you, Rupert!

@Alix777.

8 ай бұрын

You wish

@wbaiey0

5 ай бұрын

Absolutely right. Thank you

Thought is respond of memory. Thoughts is always old. Actual perciving is something else, totally different from thought.

That is why I think Ramana Maharishi places so much importance on silence. Thinking and investigating on thoughts and their origin and going on with it is also an engagement with thoughts and thinking. It will lead us nowhere. Thoughts can originate from consciousness or from a busy mind. Mind left on its own generates thoughts. Just like how we have designed AI technology, mind originally works like that based on our Sanskaras, experiences, memory, our likes and dislikes(perceptions). Mind keeps running like a machine based on these sources. Some can be traced back to a root cause and some have their root in our collective consciousness. When we disassociate the mind from all these possible influences then the consciousness brings out purer thoughts which can then cause us to take actions that can be the fulfillment of our deepest desire for which we took the human form.

@Wendy63Lorraine

6 ай бұрын

Brilliant thank you

@seandunwoodie46

2 ай бұрын

Maharshi taught silence because reality can not be truthfully represented using language. Reality simply is. It’s important to realise that spiritual teachers don’t teach “spirituality”, they teach reality.

'Thought is the rust - of Reality'. - (Ram Chandra) Thinking arises out of - vibration from the Real Being - in the heart - and has to be guided - ethically - by the heart and the heart's will - is applied - for the work Fare thee well.

Thoughts n feelings happen to you.. just observe them without participating in them..ln time a space will appear and you will see they re like waves dancing on the ocean. They come n go. But you the observer are always present. They come from the subconscious mind which has millions of thoughts stored there..if you engage with them they will interact with you n that's the trap.

13 years listening to this man. and I still always always always wake up a little more... he truly is brilliant....

@mikelisteral7863

9 ай бұрын

after he dies we will replace him with a chat gpt 7.0 rupert robot clone

@gosoprano

9 ай бұрын

You think he is brilliant because you don't detect the nonsense.

@mikelisteral7863

9 ай бұрын

@@gosoprano you think science is brilliant because you dont see all the pollution it creates

@Alix777.

8 ай бұрын

13 years and thinking you will "awake" one day, hilarious

@mikelisteral7863

8 ай бұрын

@@Alix777. ya because most or all the teachers are ignorant of the deeper truth and therefore not teaching it

Beautiful !!! Thank you so much Rupert ❤ lots of love and immense gratitude

So much focus on thoughts/thinking. Just abide as Silence...100% devoted to the feeling and sensing of the moment. Then there is no thought to worry about.

@dorisruffin3499

9 ай бұрын

Absolutely well said!!

@ferdinandocoluccelli9574

9 ай бұрын

Agreed. Rupert kindly answered to a useless question ☺🙏

@Marco-sj4vo

4 ай бұрын

Yea, knife trying to cut the knife

It's all a play of consciousness until u are conscious of who u are.

@cajobo10

5 ай бұрын

Or rather, what* you are!

this is amazingly clear and straight forward explained! Pure joy to hear you talk, Rupert, as always. Thank you.

Rupert The Riddler😊😊

WOW! A very big THANK YOU! 🙏🥰🙏

There is no thoughts in your head, your brain just antenna

@wattaura7621

9 ай бұрын

💯

@Marco-sj4vo

4 ай бұрын

True! Thoughts are just not here, but we wont admit it

@Marco-sj4vo

4 ай бұрын

We give our will to thought, just as the wind gives its will to the windmill

Brilliant! Thank you Rupert.

Omg people, just go out and talk to somebody. Rupert is famous for turning reality into a concept

@kberken

9 ай бұрын

What's your point? Do you agree with him?

Muchísimas gracias!!!🙏🩵💜🤍💙❤️🤗

Another great explanation! Thanks for sharing Rupert. This was brilliant!

This was impressive. Insightful exchange between two beautiful humans always is, and I'm the better for it, so thank you. Thoughts are a process... wow. Thought-provoking, quite literally, lol! I've always enjoyed my visits on this channel, but I'll be tuning in more regularly for the calm and authentic teaching/learning, methinks.

How well that was explained!! 😁

I wonder if Rupert's different levels of teaching for different, progressive levels of understanding consciousness or awareness are analogous to understanding physicality, in that our common everyday experiences of the apparently solid matter of this universe are that solid objects such as my chair I sit on, the floor I stand on, or the wall I lean against, do not allow my solid matter body to pass through them because reasoning with common sense tells me they are all solid and they therefore too dense to interpenetrate. (Level 1 of understanding, beginners) However, If I look closer through a microscope, I can see big gaps between the molecules and solid matter looks more like a mesh (Level 2 of understanding, intermediate) and as I look at even more magnification, I see that there are big gaps between the atoms, all of which have an electron cloud around them, and the reason they appear solid is because of repulsive electromagnetic forces, (Level 3 of understanding, expert). Of course, then we later understand that atoms themselves are mostly empty space (Level 4, advanced), and then yet higher levels as we see that apparently solid particles are actually a form condensed energy (Level 5, E-MC squared, master level) and so on.... . Each level is perfectly valid in its own right, yet the higher the level, the more accurate it is in describing physical reality. It all depends on your perspective. I think that Rupert must be somewhere way above level 6 in his understanding of spiritual reality..

@tejarex

9 ай бұрын

I had the same thought. Quantum mechanics is as much a step beyond newtonian physics as the latter is beyond common sense physics. Some physicists are now groping beyond QM.

@jeffparcels2410

9 ай бұрын

As a relative newcomer to his dialogues, I just got through leaving a complimentary comment for Rupert. Decided to take a peek and found an equally impressive comments section for more complimentary pieces of wisdom :). I thought that yours was a fitting place to comment on that.

@cajobo10

5 ай бұрын

I think this goes beyond an 'analogy'. I think you're actually seeing the same patterns because you're essentially looking at the same phenomenon: consciousness. Because matter itself is a process of consciousness, you'll see the exact same response pattern when you study matter or your thoughts, or literally anything else! We think we understand something until we break it apart into its smaller pieces. Then, our understanding increases. And increases enough to see that we can keep repeating this exercise until we're eventually left behind with nothing but pure energy/consciousness. This whole thing is crazy!! That's really all I can say😅

I am with you to take off!! 😃😍😍😍😍 please, please, let's fly!

And my question to you Alex is "As this is the foundation of your belief system, aside from blind faith and acceptance of the trite statements of others, how do you even know there is such a thing as 'universal consciousness'?" ❤🙏🙏🙏

So perfectly said

When some people say they understand what has just been explained why do I think that they actually have not?

@williamcallahan5218

9 ай бұрын

It's called a projection. You think because you can't understand that no one else can and the irony of that "thought" is that you are correct. No one understands, no one is aware, as Rupert points out "only awareness is aware". There is no one to understand, no "you", so who is understanding? Another helpful hint here is that thought can not think, thought can not understand, thoughts come and go for no one.

@snakedogman

9 ай бұрын

Maybe because it's hard to "understand" because you're supposed to experience it non-conceptually :) "Understanding" implies conceptual thinking. It's not really about understanding, it's about experiencing. And I get the feeling this lady is still very much caught in trying to understand what is being said by thinking about it (not saying that to be critical, I'm still on that path as well).

@awakenotwoke7949

9 ай бұрын

“ understanding is the booby prize “ EST training

@ajaysh73

9 ай бұрын

It may just be your projection on them. In the end, it is just about I and me and dissolving of it.

@MultiMb1234

9 ай бұрын

Maybe because the people in the videos are trying to understand the conceptual layer of this teaching in real time, while we have the benefit of playing and replaying it. And they often seem to be newcomers, while we video addicts have been sitting around listening to Rupert for years. And some of these videos are a few years old -- the teachings are not brand new like they were when spoken, and now they have settled more into the collective mind or spiritual culture.....😅 these are all made up thoughts.... but probably more useful than thoughts which suggest that you know everything while the people in the videos are dumbasses 😂

Once I heard Francis Lucille saying something like thoughts are “cosmic events”. Now hearing Rupert I could say that thoughts are “Consciousness Activities that when we look at them through the prism of mind, seems to be Cosmic Events”

I think of an analogy of water turning to ice, little lumps of ice floating in the water may appear separate, but in reality they are the water appearing in a different form.

@ferdinandocoluccelli9574

9 ай бұрын

very very beautiful image, thank you Stella! ❤🙏

@dpclerks09

7 ай бұрын

funny, I look at it as trying to grasp a handful of water.

@Marco-sj4vo

4 ай бұрын

Never is 2

there are no coincidences, have come to appreciate the magic of how the next level or that which you desire to know suddenly appears.

Question "where do thoughts come from?" Is one of the fundamental lines of enquiry in mind instruction. Anyone who has had some slight insight in the "quest to find mind" will be able to immediately identify that Rupert's response is self contradictory. And that he and the questioner are merely dealing with concepts and not referring to personal experience. This may sound like a criticism, but it is not. This is a mistake common to nearly all beginners in meditation.

Open to concsiousness

Because there is only infinite oneness there are no real things. Because there are no things nothing is really happening. All is appearance. We are the absolute appearing as human beings. Thoughts are the absolute appearing as thoughts. The illusionary “ME” is the absolute appearing as ME. Happenings are appearances appearing to happen.

@snakedogman

9 ай бұрын

Hmmm, just because things happen in consciousness doesn't mean they are "not real". Maybe you mean "not seperate". But consciousness is real, and so is everything appearing in it. It's the seperateness that is the illusion.

@phk2000

9 ай бұрын

@@snakedogman it’s a real mirage, but the water’s not real.

@SamA-nj7yr

9 ай бұрын

Reality is real, separateness is real, everything you and I can conceive is real. Just because our experience of separateness is an illusion doesn’t mean it’s not real. What could be more real?

@SamA-nj7yr

9 ай бұрын

There are no things… remove the word real and I completely agree with everything you say.

@phk2000

9 ай бұрын

@@SamA-nj7yr Santa Claus?

Thoughts they come from personal self thoughts are stored information Image in a book it's becoming alive thoughts are these words from the book connecting to each other

The problem with the woman asking is that she trusts the answers from Rupert, instead of questioning them.

What do you guys think rupert spira would say about people like jordan peterson, david goggins or even andrew tate?

@wolflarsen3447

9 ай бұрын

I would imagine he would highlight the fact they are all operating within a very ego centric/separation framework but all potentially have value or lack of (depending on your personal views) at the relative level

@williamcallahan5218

9 ай бұрын

That they are "believers". They believe that they are the doer. Which is the situation for 99.9% of most "people". _________________________ The field of consciousness is where we live most of our waking lives, this is our “life” perspective. We claim to know other people and things, but in fact what we know are merely our own subjective concepts and representations of them. We see things on the standpoint of the self, and in fact many of us can get all the way to the grave without ever becoming aware of the deeper layers of our existence. Invoking Plato’s allegory of the cave, Nishitani states that: “We sit like spectators in the cave of the self… watching the shadows pass to and fro across its walls, and calling those shadows ‘reality.’ ” Keiji Nishitani, Religion and Nothingness

@larianton1008

9 ай бұрын

@@williamcallahan5218 Just out of interest, and by the little devil inside of me, aren't you constructing that way of seeing the world? Just as you are claiming "others" believing, how come there would not be believing? I suppose you don't have an answer to this, but I thought to poke the ice a little.

@snakedogman

9 ай бұрын

Why should he have anything specific to say about those specific people and why would it be of any particular interest what he would have to say about them? I see these kinds of comments all the time: "What would (spiritual teacher/guide) say about (specific political event/situation or famous/politically divisive person?" I'm not sure what wisdom you're expecting to gain from asking this kind of question. It seems irrelevant and even going against the very teaching itself (asking for some judgement on individual persons or events) when the teaching is telling you/pointing you to the experience that everying is really one, just consciousness.

@purelife8559

9 ай бұрын

@snakedogman you nailed it. Asking the wrong questions

I was thinking about this very thing this morning. As I made breakfast, my brain was driving me crazy by looping an old rhyme from childhood: "There was a little girl, with a little curl, right in the middle of her forehead. And when she was good she was very very good and when she was bad she was horrid." HAHA! ACK! So, usually what I do in this sort of situation is distract myself with something else. But since I was making breakfast, I decided to just take a look at what was going on. To me, what this was was me placing words ... remembered words ... onto a type of sparking signaling in my brain. It was as if the communication of one part of my brain to another which is "electrical' in that sense, was gaining my attention. The rhythm of this brought the old explaining my thought does about what is going on. In a way, this is similar to dreaming. The dream imagery is imagination's response to unsettled emotions or physical aches or worries. In this way, the looping rhyme was the imagination's sort of verbal imagery to what was taking place physically. This happens to me too when I get a song or piece of music stuck in my head. The ever-helpful thought process is always there attempting to explain it to me through this type of response. To me, that's what thought does. Thinking is a tool we use to explain the "as is" of whatever is going on. And thought is always at the ready ... on the lookout ... for something to do. Thought/imagination offered the rhythm of that little poem as a type of mapping onto what sensations were going on in me ... either by placing my attention on my heart beat or the starting of the engine of my physical self since it was so early ... getting the old body moving seemed to translate in this little rhyme. Once I'd concluded that this is what was going on ... the looping stopped. 😊 (It's difficult to explain this stuff I've discovered.)

Allow consciousness to give rise to "purer" thoughts

It's a mental world.

This is where the Two Truths doctrine comes into play, when you begin to notice the conventional truth is slightly incomplete. The thoughts have no absolute location of origin because they lack any true independent existence. They can't be fully grasped and completely known because they are impermanent and fleeting, relative existences. Their true nature is Sunya, emptiness, void. They are Advaya. Not able to be articulated or understood by any mode of symbolic thought, the totality too grand even to contain by any belief. Motions within the One without a Second.

Question for Rupert: If Consciousness is propertyless (nirguna), how can it have(property) "activity"?

🙏🧡

Rupert's current teaching leaves me a little perplexed and gives me the feeling that to understand his teaching, you need to be part of a small group that becomes more refined over time. I've been listening to Rupert's teachings for a number of years now, and the evolution of his teachings has always included the basics to enable more people to access them. I've evolved through his teachings as I have with other teachers. But it seems to me that now he's asking everyone to evolve at the same level as his own evolution, and with all due respect for this teacher and his teaching, a feeling where he's establishing a relation that's no longer allied to humility but to some kind of egoic hierarchy. Of course he has the freedom to teach as he wishes, but the message this teaching sends me is that from now on his teaching is elitist. There were a time where he could stay in silence on the major part of his guided meditation to say just a few words at the end of it. Now he teach to a small group of friends. This self center attitude is not what i knew from this excellent teacher. My statement toward Ruoert Spira is severe i know but i had to express it.

@rodrigomarambio3882

9 ай бұрын

Maybe it is because there are a lot of videos in this channel touching those basic themes, and it would be very rare that someone who go to one of his retreats haven't seen them. Having said that, I'm sure that he has no problem of answering any "basic" questions on the retreats.

@ultimatemeaning

9 ай бұрын

Are there any of Rupert's students known to have a similar level of understanding of his teachings as he does and who also posts videos on KZread? You can generally tell a lot about a teacher by his principle students. The phenomena of elitist inner circles in spiritual communities is very common and is usually a projection of a lack of confidence in the validity of the teachings and a sign of fragility. As in this video Rupert affirms the "maturity" of his close students, giving them authority in the community, and in exchange they insulate the teacher from scrutiny. Its a kind of unspoken contract, for example this woman asserts her own realisation to the point of rebuking Rupert saying "I got it from you" at which point the audience laughs. And although she is clearly picking fault with his presentation she stops short of challenging his authority. Students should always ask difficult questions of their teachers, but out of a need for clarity and not just to cause trouble. If a teaching is unmistaken then it will stand up to scrutiny, however if when asked difficult questions the teacher gets stuck or lost for words then it is a sign that they are lacking confidence in their own position.

@Alex722

9 ай бұрын

The basic teaching is that yourself is the ultimate teacher. You are your own light. Teachers like Rupert, Tolle etc and ancient teachings and methods are legit, but the "thing" that we investigate is our own Self, our own true nature. You don't even have to understand intellectually the nature of consciousness in order to be a perfect incarnation of it. You already are. So from now on, since you have a basic sufficient understanding, let the teachings become secondary in your journey and focus inwardly and in the ways you choose to behave and live...Think of them as add ons that you're free to use and experiment with. Understanding and realising comes on its own time.... And if for the time Rupert doesn't resonate, just let it go and look elswhere... Maybe you'll want to come back again to his teachings in the future, maybe you won't. In any case it's fine. Breaks always help.

@andrehalle8134

9 ай бұрын

​@@ultimatemeaningThank you for your words. I couldn't agree more. You really express what I think too.

@andrehalle8134

9 ай бұрын

@@Alex722You're right, and that's what I'm doing now. What I was expressing was rather a constructive criticism I hope to the effect that the message of this video is somewhat confusing. If I were just starting out and discovered this video, I'd say to myself that this spirituality is not for me but for an elite group. I know that over time, we separate ourselves from the teacher and become our own teacher in a way. However, as far as I know, teaching should not exclude those who are just starting out; it should always include those who are just starting out, just as we all started out at one time or another.

It would be better to say: thoughts are an activity of the universal mind, becouse consciousness is above any kind of activity. If there is some activity of consciousness it is just shining, and mind receives its light from consciousness, like the moon from the sun.

@mikelisteral7863

9 ай бұрын

there is no mind but there is reflections

@musicchanellz3135

7 ай бұрын

booooo

Thoughts are an output of the brain which processes the signal sent to the brain from the sensory organs or the memory. The processing is based on the programming of the brain which is like the good or bad qualities to which the person has been conditioned during its formative years or growing up. Read my book “Meditation and Spirituality a Philosophy”.

We do experience the fish, especially with chips😂

I'm not sure if I get it. Does he mean that there are no thoughts in the sense that there is no separation and distinction between consciousness and thought? What we call "thoughts" are modifications or modes of consciousness in itself?

If it doesn't exist, how are we experiencing it ?

Yes, perhaps...

what you are "aware of/conscious of" is all that exists. if you were not "aware/concourse" of it, it would not exist.

@nsbd90now

9 ай бұрын

The classic expression of this is "If a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it, does it make a sound?"

"Thoughts" are instinctive, of the cerebral organ: an encephalic process that primarily automatically function every biological and physiological manifestation. To "think", however, is an activity of the mental active force of the human species: a psychic activity of consciousness, that manipulates and control the instinctive thoughts of the brain. They're two entirely different things.

@howlinhoward

9 ай бұрын

But are thoughts "things"? Isn't that Spira's point?

@SabiazothPsyche

9 ай бұрын

@@howlinhoward Yes, that's his point. But it's an "instinctive thing", not an activity of the active force. Thought, as a "thing", does not make the activity to 'think' as a thing either: thought and to think are not one in the same. The "thing of thought" is a cerebral automaton, but "to think" is an activity of the will. To simplify the differences of the two, the 'thought' is a cerebral process, which is "the instinctive thing" that makes the brain function orderly. To think, however, is not a thing, but an "activity of the active force" that's instantaneous: and it is this very instantaneous activity that manipulates the "thought thing" to achieve purpose and will. Thought = "instinctive thing", of the brain: Think = "instantaneous activity", of the mental active force of the humans.

Rupert Spira continually refers to the "separate self" as well as the "localization" of consciousness. Many continue to be confused by these statements and take them for facts. There is Never the "localization" of consciousness, which he finally admitted in a single utube once.

@nsbd90now

9 ай бұрын

Your use of the word "admitted" is strange to me.

@sandycarter5300

9 ай бұрын

His teaching has been that there is the localization of consciousness. In only one video did he finally state the opposite fact.

One who sees its own true self-nature has no more thought. Once a person attain complete perfect enlightenment he/she is called a Buddha. Buddha has no thought but he knows everything in the universe. Where do thoughts come from? It is from our Alaya ( conscious mind/storage mind). Thoughts from our Alaya is called wandering thoughts. These thoughts do more harm us then helping us. Pure Land Buddhist practice chanting the Buddha-name Amitabha Buddha to replace all wandering thoughts. Chant the Buddha-name to suppress all our wandering thoughts. One can chant while walking, jogging, house chores etc. There is no need to sit legs cross. Chanting Buddha-name is cultivating meditative concentration. Practice meditative concentration to suppress all worries and afflictions. When the chanting skill is developed, one will enjoy good health and longevity and well-being. This is the immediate benefit When the mind is calm and serene, naturally the wisdom will open up. Namo Amitabha Buddha 🙏🙏🙏

Let's go directly to the original ....last step ...

" The seperate self is just a thought " where does that leave anyone ?

@awakenotwoke7949

9 ай бұрын

That statement though true encourages self doubt, enhances the notion that you are not ok because you identify as a person and if you continue you will never be liberated That certainly encourages feelings of worthlessness, and unworthiness.. Demonizing ego has no productive value. I feel ego should be embraced as your individual and unique Self expression, But its huge limitations must be accepted and acknowledged. Ego is a problem when it becomes the sole ruler, and thinks it already knows all it needs to know, and thinks it's the entirety of Self. You don't kill the ego, you integrate it into the greater whole.

@nsbd90now

9 ай бұрын

Curious and exploratory.

@nsbd90now

9 ай бұрын

@@awakenotwoke7949 I disagree with the "not ok" expression. I'd think more like "a youngster" who is growing. Ego is literally the illusory "self" that comes from getting entangled in the fact we experience things such as "thoughts, feelings, sensations and perceptions" as objects of awareness. Those mixed together produce a false "self" the "separate self" as RS articulates it.

@awakenotwoke7949

9 ай бұрын

@@nsbd90now My reply was to emphasize the demonization of ego or false self . Calling it False self definitely denigrates it as not ok, something to be rid of. Language is very powerful and it moulds our perceptions.There is no separate self like there no real inches lying around. We use thought and language to measure and understand our relationships. I was also answering someone who seemed to see no value in seeing self as thought only.

@nsbd90now

9 ай бұрын

@@awakenotwoke7949 Hmm. I don't understand the languaging of these things as you do. i.e. "denigrating" the ego-self. It is a reality. It is an object of awareness. It is an experience. It isn't "bad" _per se._ The problem seems to be getting entangled in it.

I can’t see thoughts coming. They just appear.

Thought is a "reaction" process. It needs "stimulus" to function. But both are unitary movements in the brain. We can't separate them to identify. That's why thought doesn't aware of itself. If you go deeper, there is no such thing as "thinking". It's only "about thinking". If you omitted the stimulus "about" (tomorrow, life, relations, enemies, beliefs, doubts, money, to-do's, etc.), there is no reaction as "thought". All these stimuli are in past or projected illusions and based on attachment, hatred, or sensations. If you are in a state of "not knowing," then there is no place for brain activity. Only pure emptiness is available in the present. I'm not against thought. Thinking is essential and needed for survival. But it should be on "demand". The more you are silent inwardly, the more you can observe.

It's the body that thinks. Thinking is a chemical reaction in the brain. I is the whole body and separation only appears in thinking but shows itself as tension in the body. The whole body is the conditioned entity. Thinking is conditioned by the environment the body was born into. The question is what is prior to thinking.

@brendantannam499

9 ай бұрын

A different school of thought (Sheldrake) thinks that the brain is more a transmitter of thought than a producer. You sound like you're thinking along the lines of Schopenhauer. If so, I wonder if the two ways of thinking are mutually exclusive.

@lisamoag6548

9 ай бұрын

Knowing.

@taojones

9 ай бұрын

@@brendantannam499 in my understanding all thinking is the past. It's memory stored within the body/brain. It can function well in one area and become dysfunctional when associated with a separate self. A self which only appears in thinking. If the brain is only the transmitter then who is the producer? The separate self is a by-product of the body. Like speed is a by-product of an engine. The body is prior to thinking and awareness is prior to the body.

@brendantannam499

9 ай бұрын

@@taojones Perhaps it's all in the past in that it is created by universal consciousness, which could mean thought is past by the time it is transmitted to us, and then we think of the thought as present. That would be a curious blend of past and present tense, perhaps an indication that everything is now.

@taojones

9 ай бұрын

@@brendantannam499 why would universal consciousness transmit or create all these stupid thoughts we have. It's best to stick to facts, thought is a chemical reaction. It's mechanical there is nothing new about it. Thought is conditioned. It's a projection onto 'what is'. A conceptual reality that doesn't really mean anything. We need to find another way of knowing and seeing that is not based on thought.

Can't get this. Maybe because I see thoughts are made of words, therefore they are a production of the body the same way emotions are. And then the awareness experiences those thoughts. There may be a real thing that stimulated the thought (like there may be a real thing that stimulated an emotion), but that real thing is a different story. The thought itself is a production of the body. Don't understand how Rupert is saying it's a movement in consciousness.

@piccadelly9360

9 ай бұрын

It is both, thoughts are stored information they can become thoughts with the help of consciousness

I wonder why some thoughts are positive and some are negative and why I can choose to either accept or reject them.

@snakedogman

9 ай бұрын

Even "accepting or rejecting" thoughts is in itself more thoughts. "I accept this thought" is a thought. "This thought is negative" is also a thought. As a matter of pure experience a thought is neither positive nor negative. It's just a part of experience/awareness.

@Keyfer62

9 ай бұрын

@@snakedogman Does “a thought is neither positive nor negative” mean that there is no right or wrong?

@davidalbro2009

9 ай бұрын

​@@Keyfer62Correct. Ultimately there is no right or wrong, that is a construction of the mind. But from the minds perspective we certainly do experience positive and negative thoughts. Since we are very much experiencing a mind-driven reality, it is very necessary to see thoughts as positive or negative instead of this drivel. The reason you are experiencing negative thoughts is because you live in a dualistic reality where everything good is inextricably attached to something bad. If you want more positive thoughts, then focus on positive thoughts and more positive thoughts and experiences will be drawn to you because the very nature of reality is attractive.

@Keyfer62

9 ай бұрын

@@davidalbro2009 Would you agree that lying, stealing, murder is wrong behavior that should be rejected? I don’t believe that “everything good is inextricably attached to something bad” as you stated. I do believe that bad behavior should be replaced with good behavior, that we should treat others as we would like to be treated, like Jesus taught.

@davidalbro2009

9 ай бұрын

@@Keyfer62 God is All That Is. If there is anything outside of God, then God isn't God. There would be at least two Gods. Therefore if anything is bad, then part of God is bad. The love that God is is good and can only be fully experienced by the illusion of that which is bad. In this reality of duality we only experience good in contrast to it's counterpart. We cannot know freedom without bondage. We cannot know wealth without poverty. We cannot know health without sickness.

For some reason, I still see fish (among other things) swimming in the Ocean. I don’t just see currents, wave or just the Ocean. 🙃

@annettecloutier2094

9 ай бұрын

But, I’m sorry, now I just caught on when thoughts are seen as a process / an activity of mind / a frequency /a vibration rather than an object to cling to. Got it. thanks Rupert and special guest (who caught in a lot quicker than me).😉🩵

Why is no one wearing shoes?

“The activity of consciousness” is very confusing to me. Does Activity mean imagining? Dreaming? Vibrating? Projecting? Manifesting? I wish there was more consistency with the language used as chopping and changing can be very confusing

@mikelisteral7863

9 ай бұрын

form

@DanielLeeMarch2001

8 ай бұрын

“Just as a movie could be said to be the activity of the screen, or a current the activity of the ocean, so mind is the activity of awareness. As such, mind is awareness in motion; awareness is mind at rest.” - Rupert Spira Not to come across as a know-it-all but, I believe Rupert is making the suggestion that if you try and find the apparently independently existing thoughts, “entities” that exist in their own right, you never find them, because, in the final analysis, all there is to them is the substance of ‘consciousness’, they owe their entire existence to the true and only reality of consciousness. Hence, Rupert’s description of them as the “activity” of consciousness, not “entities” that exist in their own right. I hope that was slightly helpful 😀 Wishing you peace and joy 🙏

@cabsrhere8897

8 ай бұрын

@@DanielLeeMarch2001 Many thanks. That makes sense and is very helpful.

😖😵‍💫😰😖😵‍💫😰😖❤️

I'm really struggling with this, just as I understood Rupert's teachings then it crashes and burns with this video. A thought appears and then disappears, so that which appears and disappears is not real since consciousness or Being-ness never changes. So according to this, and activity of consciousness is not real then? So, consciousness is totally INERT and useless, because any of it's activity is Not real since it appears and then disappears? ...... A thought that appears and disappears it is not real, and so NOW it's Not even an object that exists since nothing can stand out of or apart from the One consciousness/awareness. However, you as consciousness/awareness is aware of that thought appearing and disappearing, yet that which appears and disappears is not reality, not consciousness/awareness. Talk about convoluted thinking.. it is something the human mind cannot even contemplate, so why bother?

@seeker8097

9 ай бұрын

Let me know if this simile helps: Imagine that Consciousness is like the ocean, and there appears to be waves moving across it. But upon closer investigation you find that waves are not actual “things” in their own right, they’re illusions created solely by the activity of the ocean. They’re nothing but the ceaseless movement of water. Consciousness/Knowing/Awareness is the same. There appears to be objects (thoughts, feelings, sensations, people, places, events, what have you), but upon closer inspection it becomes clear that what once appeared to be separate things is nothing but the activity of Consciousness, which cannot be divided. And Consciousness cannot be inert. Only objects can be inert. When Rupert says objects aren’t real, he’s simply pointing out that just as there’s not really a wave on the ocean, only the activity of the ocean, so too are there no actual objects in awareness, only the activity of Awareness. You are correct to say the human mind can’t comprehend this, though. The mind only speaks in limited, objective knowledge, and what you truly are is not limited or objective. Understanding does not come from thought/mind, but from Being (or Knowing knowing itself, or Consciousness resting as itself-pick your favorite phrase). (BTW, I don’t mean to imply that Knowing/Consciousness is in anyway objective by using the word “it’s,” but such are the limits of language) You don’t necessarily need to discount thoughts as not being real, it simply needs to be seen clearly (through direct experience) that thoughts are not what they appear to be. They’re not things that arise and disappear; there’s only the activity of Awareness. Rupert’s yoga meditations are good for exploring this directly (rather than getting caught up in thinking). Also, if you’re interested, Greg Goode has a book called The Direct Path: A Users Guide, which takes you through short experiments that can help clarify what’s real. ☮️

@RobbeyT1

9 ай бұрын

@@seeker8097 Awww thanks for such detailed and informative reply. Been working for over a year on Rupert's teachings and sacrificed a lot of summer weather to study. This week was really something special and the feeling with people was tremendous, I've changed for the better. However, this video was like someone had thrown a spanner in the works, so-to-speak. Anyway thank you, yes it helps.. I'll copy and paste it 🙏

@bjsmith5444

9 ай бұрын

Best of luck mate. You're really going through it, I can see that and I feel bad for you. I don't get it either. Is it possible that Rupert isn't the one to listen to? He just gets people caught up in words. He dangles some prize in front of them. I think if you work it out in words - which is what he wants - it's useless. At best, all you'll end up with is a definition. Once again, best of luck.

@Hydrasword89

9 ай бұрын

its not about real and unreal. You should drop these labels because, like Rupert said, everything is just an expression of conciousness. I would rather say that there are different perspectives that let things appear different. Like Rupert mentioned the stages of understand which only means different perspectives that are all valid. Each one of them is real and unreal at the same time if you really want to keep these labels. Your mind can grasp it logically when you just think of them as contradicting but valid perspectives. If you are in the center of an eclipse and look at the sun everything will be dark. But if you are 500 km far away from the first position the sun will shine brigthly. Same situation but different perspectives.

@wattaura7621

9 ай бұрын

"The Highest Meditation" (clip) ~Rupert Spira 💙

There is no spoon

You are not your thoughts, the ego wants to identify itself with thoughts. See Eckharte Tolle

There IS no thought, no thinking because a thought, thinking never stops to be present, to exist, to be What Is. No thoughts come out of Consciousness. Consciousness is just being conscious. The exist no finite mind. What is sometimes called a finite mind is just a bunch of never-present processes that have no presence or isness.

Great explanation, but money for nothing

I can't 'be' God, that's just 'simply' ridiculous ! I Am Infinite Awareness, Eternal Consciousness, The All-pervading source energy oneness. 😁💙

@Hydrasword89

9 ай бұрын

well there is no "I" to begin with.

@wattaura7621

9 ай бұрын

​@@Hydrasword89How about a 'B' for the 💯 😁💙

@piccadelly9360

9 ай бұрын

let's put it this way we are all drops of water and all together we are an ocean

@jolynnejlyn

9 ай бұрын

So, you reject the idea of the in dwelling Holy Spirit?

@wattaura7621

9 ай бұрын

@@jolynnejlyn Oneness simply says 'YES'. Rephrase the question and win. 😊

You can depersonalize your mind all you want, it's a complete waste of time. Won't bring real love or liberation. Realization doesn't depersonalize like this.

Why does no one wear shoes here? They're all looking for some kind of enlightenment and seem to think that footwear is an obstacle to it. Bunions and Athlete's Foot might be abounding here but they don't care. What if someone's got a verruca? Is the consciousness he's waffling on about got anything to do with chiropody? To be honest I'd rather listen to a chiropodist; they'd be far more illuminating. I doubt he mentioned feet once the whole of their retreat. Also, are the shoes left by the front door? Do they label them so they don't get mixed up? What if someone likes another's shoes and puts them in their bag? Is it like "if you can walk a mile in another man's shoes, you'll be a mile away, and you'll have his shoes." No, no, feet are disgusting. I suppose when the lights go out they all suck each other's toes. They look like pervert places to me.

@nsbd90now

9 ай бұрын

It might just have to do with cleanliness. One can always wear indoor slippers, while keeping outdoor footwear outdoors.

@christinepletsch

9 ай бұрын

Even in retreats of other teachers with far more participants it could be mandatory to leave the shoes in the room outside. No big deal.

@Marco-sj4vo

4 ай бұрын

hahaahhahahahhahaahaha this was a far better answer that Rupert's

Better learn to think clearly and understand yourself instead of telling yourself you don't exist. What a waste

You need to go back to the drawing board

Does consciousness 》exist《 ?