You guys need to do a 60 to 0 that’s more important than 0-60 times. The lightening can pull 10k pounds but can it stop it

Andre is now a skid-steer cowboy. I wouldn't give y'all a hard time about that because I think it was awesome that it stood up like that and Andre didn't panic. If he would have panicked and overcorrected it one way or the other it would have most likely gone off the side of the trailer and been laying on its side.

@1987FX16

Жыл бұрын

This.

@toyyoda3710

Жыл бұрын

i have to give them credit for not editing that part out... lol, it was a clencher moment

@sagemaster6814

Жыл бұрын

I would love to see them drive that dance floor sized scissor lift onto a trailer. Or even which truck could pull or tow it. Lifts are 20 times heavier than they look. I got one stuck in gravel once and needed a WAY bigger crane than I thought to get it out. I was expecting a lull or truck to tow it out, nope, needed the big boy crane on a new HERTZIG construction job.

@angelgjr1999

Жыл бұрын

I’d put some weights on te bucket.

@donaldliverance2597

Жыл бұрын

Yup it'll happen learn to go with it

Another good reason to trailer skid loaders backwards is the windshield of the skid loader! They are expensive and rocks/road debris can break it very easily!

@ericrodriguez1835

Жыл бұрын

Yes sir broke one before at the beginning of the shift 😂 it was - 5 in mason city Iowa

@dundonrl

Жыл бұрын

All the skid steers I drove have plexiglass windshields.

@TOM-yd8ub

Жыл бұрын

@@dundonrl 3/4" gravel don't care.

@dundonrl

Жыл бұрын

@@TOM-yd8ub Neither does a bucket of heavy snow when it rolls down after putting it as high up as you can (knocked the glass out of the door)!

What we need is a diesel electric hybrid for towing... Speed, power, AND range.

@jimbob1096

Жыл бұрын

We really should use hybrids. They would definitely help with pollution for short driving stints but you have all the range of a gas vehicle. They are functional now without all the hassle of battery only and plug in only charging. People would accept that better then this current crop of crap of battery only thats a step backward in terms of convenience.

@thebigv8644

Жыл бұрын

GM had the right idea with the hybrid pickups and SUVs in the mid/late 2000s, just wasn't executed well, but instead the just scrapped it instead of improving on it.

@croneous

Жыл бұрын

@@jimbob1096 diesel has the least pollution of ppm with the def systems

@jamaicasysbm2580

Жыл бұрын

Facts

@crhu319

Жыл бұрын

Need a pickup bed generator. Solved.

Great video. To use a sports analogy, too many people confuse power with endurance. “Range” is endurance. In football the defensive line is a powerful force to reckon with but anyone who has watched a defensive tackle try to run a fumble into the end zone will understand the difference.

I think the one-pedal function is disabled because you have to press the brake to engage the trailer brakes on heavy loads.

@wolfpack4128

Жыл бұрын

Seems like maybe a miss on their part but I bet the program to turn brake pedal into 7 pin brake output is well established. I would think at some point they could get that tuned for 1 pedal vs brake output. The ECM or some other body controller controls brake output voltage so their is no reason they couldn't figure it out.

@TFLtruck

Жыл бұрын

Yes, but strong re-Gen deceleration can also trigger the brake lights and the trailer brakes.

@johnb7430

Жыл бұрын

No. You dont. During 1 pedal, the brake lights come on when you let up the accelerator. Trailer brakes would work

@victortan4855

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like it might be a lawyer telling the software guys "We have to make braking with heavy trailer loads the 100% responsibility of the driver"... just guessing.

@specialopsdave

Жыл бұрын

I think it's really for brake fade purposes, as people instinctively expect no brake fade from one-pedal, while the trailer's physical brakes are still working and fading

We travel for work. Often state to state. If I'm traveling 500 miles to a job site with my trailer or tool box.... Do I now have to quote 2-3 days, 2-3 hotel nights, 2-3 per diems, etc to get there when I'm forced to drive an electric truck vs one day of travel and mileage with my current diesel?..... So not only does it make it more expensive for our customers, but I also am now losing jobs due to only being able to travel to one customer per week.

I’d take the Cummins anyday …

@bradobbink6564

Жыл бұрын

Need that test from Washington to NYC SAAME TEST 650 MILES A DAY.

How about a panic stop test between that 1/2 ton pickup VS an HD diesel pickup? That's where the problems arise, any truck can get the load moving, its the unplanned emergency stopping that'll get you.

@tylerpuccio9883

Жыл бұрын

Agreed! They should do a 60-0 along with the 0-60 to really test the trucks.

@chrishansel9324

Жыл бұрын

The RAM will be better because it is not maxed out. so I don't see how this matters.

@wildbill23c

Жыл бұрын

@@chrishansel9324 It matters a lot if you are in the vehicle that the truck/trailer runs into because it can't stop because its overloaded. No, the RAM at that trailer weight isn't overloaded, but the F150 is.

@LeesChannel

Жыл бұрын

@@chrishansel9324 I'm not sure, there's an extra 800 pounds of inertia to contend with.

@wileymonair

Жыл бұрын

Funny enough the brakes in that lightning are comparable to the 3/4 and to add to that, the regen also helps with braking so it's ver comparable and the lightning could actually be better.

Translation: Lightning is a great in-town tow vehicle Cummins is a great out-of-town tow vehicle

@CommonSense823

Жыл бұрын

Except that the Cummins does just fine in-town too. Why limit yourself to in-town for a higher price?

@jghall00

Жыл бұрын

@@CommonSense823 fuel.

@user-st8ny6pi2d

Жыл бұрын

@@jghall00 The long range battery has a minimum buy in of 83k (xlt) . Even if it was free to charge it makes no sense.

@jghall00

Жыл бұрын

@@user-st8ny6pi2d My Expedition was $150 to fill up. Most 3/4 tons are probably paying around the same, if not more. The Lightning is $13 at my current electricity rate. For fleets, maintenance and operations are a huge part of their costs. If the Lightning can get through a day, and charge overnight they're going to save a lot on fuel and there is no maintenance apart from tires. There's a reason it's sold out. People aren't stupid. They know what vehicle they need.

@CommonSense823

Жыл бұрын

@@jghall00 1. People are stupid. They fall for propaganda all the time. 2. If it can get through a day (questionable) is not something anyone needs to ask when they purchase an ICE truck. 3. Thinking that $13 to recharge is going to remain $13 when the demand goes up is a fool’s hope 4. The reason they are sold out is because Ford can’t produce them. Rare metals that need to be strip mined are already scarce and will only get more so as the government pushes people toward EVs with artificially high fuel prices.

Andre handled the bobcat like it's his job. Smooth operation, layed her down nice smooth and straight.

@TFLtruck

Жыл бұрын

Oh yea!

The EV at max capacity can out accelerate my Peterbilt 359 with no trailer but that doesn't mean the EV is a better truck.

@evanwarren3528

Жыл бұрын

Your Pete empty weighs more than either of their entire rigs lol. The shifting and building boost just slows our big trucks down so much

@rh451

Жыл бұрын

No, but the Tesla semi might be, if it ever comes out.

@madguitarist

Жыл бұрын

@Big Paw Exactly. I can't wait to see battery energy density and charging times improve. When it does, I think that a lot of people will be willing to concede that EVs are the better way forward. The proof is in the pudding in this video. The torque and acceleration is vastly superior, and this is a ½ ton EV compared to a ¾ ton diesel. If we're being honest, the majority of folks are using their vehicles for short commutes (>60 miles)and puttering around town like 80% of the time, so for a lot of people...especially those who don't road trip much, an EV would be perfectly adequate for that general use case if available at the right price.

@dallaspitts3328

Жыл бұрын

You can probably fit more people in your Peterbilt, doesn't mean you are taking the family to the zoo in it.

@rh451

Жыл бұрын

@@madguitarist EVs are a clear choice for one of the vehicles in a two vehicle household. It’s clearly better around town and you use the other vehicle on road trips.

That was scary. Also I think backwards prevents the bucket from acting like a sail causing major drag when towing. I'm glad the TFL crew is safe. Awesome content as always.

I think ford went the right direction with keeping the ford lightning looking like a regular F150 and not trying and make it look ridiculous like most other electric cars have gone.

@michigandon

Жыл бұрын

Agreed.

7:40 I mentioned this on the tug-of-war video, but it's worth repeating. You cannot compare torque values between these trucks. The only time it's appropriate to compare powertrain torque ratings for two vehicles is if they have identical geartrain reduction ratios. These vehicles do not. They are off more than your typical combustion vs. combustion match-up. All that matters at the end of the day is tire tractive force. This is the force that is pushing the vehicle forward at the contact patch. It’s dependent on wheel torque, tire radius, and coefficient of friction.

@dundonrl

Жыл бұрын

Actually you can, the torque from the diesel when in low gear and low range will be A LOT more than the EV could even dream about!

@-Enginerd

Жыл бұрын

@@dundonrl If people started comparing wheel torque at a specific vehicle speed, that would absolutely be a fair comparison. But TFL isn't doing that. They are comparing powertrain (the input to the drivetrain) torque ratings. That doesn't work. And yes, as I broke down in a tug-of-war video comment, the RAM has about 7x more peak wheel torque than the Lightning does. Whether or not you could put that much more down to the ground is a separate calculation.

Interesting. I'm headed from Loveland, CO to Gillette, WY Monday morning. I have a 7 a.m. Tuesday appointment there. Now, I know which truck I must take.

In all reality the number 1 reason for loading the skiddy backwards is its counterweight and engine placement to allow for proper tounge weight. Same goes for excavators. Said counterweight would also help keep it from flipping when it's backed on the trailer.

Excellent video. I'd really like to see yall implement a 0 - 60 - 0 test that can be be *repeatable* as new trucks come out. A short course Ike Gauntlet of sorts...

A good way to check if the regen is working, is check brake temperature. Have you guys done a weight test? ( load the truck to max bed weight and see range difference? ) Good test, thanks for sharing!

Great video. I would love to see a pop up camper range test. The ki d of camp trailer that would match the height and width of the trucks bed. I would also love to see a 25-75 acceleration test. Keep these videos coming!

Great video, you can place blocks under the rear of the trailer to keep things stable and level. Keep the Lightning videos coming. Thanks for doing what you do!

Diesel per gallon in SW Ohio $5.55 per gallon, Reg gas is $3.75 per gallon, EV limited range and initial cost too expensive, I’ll have to stay with a gas truck for the foreseeable future!

I recently towed a lightly loaded 6×12 uhaul trailer behind my f150 4×4 5.0 XLT from NY to FLA. The return trip was minus the trailer. Without the trailer my range per tank was approx 440 miles...with the trailer approx 230 miles. With a Gas engine, the range was reduced by nearly half. The issue with electric trucks isn't range, it's charging time, an issue that battery tech and infrastructure improvements will solve.

@CommonSense823

Жыл бұрын

The issue is with range as well. Until they can meet or exceed that 440 miles of range mark (unloaded) they simply aren’t comparable. For the additional cost, they need to be equal to or better than what they “compete” with.

@kc510

Жыл бұрын

That’s a pretty big hit. The range drop towing 7,500 in a diesel f250 for me is 450 down to 300.

@wizofsorts

Жыл бұрын

These numbers will only improve. We're here comparing brand new tech with twenty year developed tech in a diesel. Electric is clearly way better.

@AkioWasRight

Жыл бұрын

@@wizofsorts EV have been around for over 100 years. It's not new tech.

@wizofsorts

Жыл бұрын

@@AkioWasRight not as a mass marketed means of transportation

I tow equipment and the wheelie is the reason I get trailers that have loading ramps with bracing that goes all the way to ground so no seesaw action. This also helps to keep trailer for lifting trucks rear axle off ground causing it to roll. Glad Andre saved it. Excellent skills under pressure

I was looking forward to buying a lightning as a 2nd vehicle, but Ford has priced me out of the market. I don’t need or want it bad enough to pay their new premium.

@LucasLeCompteMusic

Жыл бұрын

Yep. They jacked up all EVs $7500 the day the government announced that is how much of a rebate the government was giving for buying and EV.

@chappo4845

Жыл бұрын

@@LucasLeCompteMusic government subsidies always read like indirect gifts to industry.

@pjeramy420

Жыл бұрын

I hear that I wanted a Bronco but damn they jacked the price up to we’re it’s not something I’d touch now

@chaunceysnodgress3672

Жыл бұрын

The Lighting Pro is 47k or so. Smaller battery but still the best deal for a EV! Well worth it especially for a second vehicle.

@jeepinintexas6215

Жыл бұрын

@@LucasLeCompteMusic and people wonder why college tuition is so high. Oh yeah that's right, the government again lol. Hurray for socialist policies. This country is done for.

I’ll Take That diesel anyday!! That ram is a good looking truck!

@tonysheerness2427

Жыл бұрын

EV's were invented first but when ICE came along they withered away.

@chrishansel9324

Жыл бұрын

@@tonysheerness2427 only because oil was cheap and batteries sucked back then.

@tonysheerness2427

Жыл бұрын

@@chrishansel9324 Oil is still cheap, they are playing politics with it.

@riverpirate1022

Жыл бұрын

Cummins and Alison yes, any domestic truck, hell NO! Come on TOYOTA, build us a REAL HD Diesel pickup and quite making excuses and putting out POS v6 turbo hybrid BS! You would EASILY destroy the domestic Diesel market if you tried.

Wow I didnt expect that kind of difference. Interesting to see.

I whatched a test with the Ford lighting, the Rivan and the Gmc hummer and the hummer was a beast.

The numbers don't lie. Definately not replacing my Ecoboost F-150 with the Lightning. Thanks for clearing that up...

If you watch the tug-of-war video the lightning was a split second faster reaction to start tugging and thats all it needed to pull the rope to pull the ram approximately a foot to win. As soon as the ram started it stopped the ford

@roddycreswell8613

Жыл бұрын

Should have kept tugging till one of them gave out instead of trying not to break them.

@danielfrain3521

Жыл бұрын

@@roddycreswell8613 I imagine the Ford motors would cut back power before the electric motors started smoking and catching fire like power tools.

@igotursixx2665

Жыл бұрын

@@roddycreswell8613 or kept going until one ran out of gas or battery power lol

Mine is ordered and I can’t wait.

Great video guys. Hi oh silver Andre lol. I could here the nail guns in the background. Can't wait to see the new building.

I'm curious if you guys can do a range test while towing smaller loads. I'm looking to buy a new daily commuter that can tow jet skis or atvs on the weekend. Currently looking at the maverick hybrid vs lightning. Love the vids!

Lower speeds = more range. Lightning is awesome for towing around town. Fleets will buy them up.

@dundonrl

Жыл бұрын

Nope, fleets aren't setup to charge or maintain EVs.

@jghall00

Жыл бұрын

@@dundonrl Yet. They're not set up yet. If someone tells them they can save 70% on fuel, you think they won't install chargers?

@thewillofus.defend1351

Жыл бұрын

Chargers cost money, time cost money, Electric cost money…… most likely won’t be a fleet vehicle….. haven’t read much good on EVs only they are “ saving the earth “ but that is not true.

Excellent videos, watched every minute of it.

This is what I asked for a while back with the model x great! Thanks

@seanmitchell3782

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the ❤️ guys

So 1mile per kwh is equal to 33.7mpge vs 11.1mpg. great efficiency but really won't compete for towing til battery capacity and recharge times improve. But the ford would suit my needs no problem.

@USUG0

Жыл бұрын

indeed, 40mpge as it is compared to a diesel

Love the videos! For next time, can you guys maybe do a cost per mile comparison? Obv. it'll vary state-to-state, but it would be a cool comparison to see the difference

@curtisbme

Жыл бұрын

Just do the math based on your electricity and diesel rates. 11.1 mpg diesel and 1 kwh /mile. If you used a more expensive dc fast charger around here it is $.43 per kwh. Diesel here is ~$5.6 per gallon. So at 100 miles of towing, it would be $50.45 for the diesel and $43 for the electric. So only $7 savings if using DC fast charge. But if I charge at home, the electricity cost for me in western WA would be $9.2 total for a savings of ~$41, which is obviously very significant given this example is talking about only 100 miles.

@nlpnt

Жыл бұрын

@@curtisbme If you're going to be towing for business use where TCO is king, you'd almost certainly only consider electric at this point if you work locally and charge at home or the shop yard. Off-peak EV charging for homeowners is listed at $.14 per kWh. Call it $.17 (the peak rate) for the worst-case scenario for a small business, So, $17 vs $50 *before* factoring the extra diesel burned in more-frequent starts and stops in local driving vs. that working in the EV's favor with regen.

@aussie2uGA

Жыл бұрын

They never speak of maintenance either. The electric vehicle essentially needs nothing done to its power train. Keep tires on it and you’re good to go. That’s a big difference as miles add up.

@chrishansel9324

Жыл бұрын

well that depends were you charge the Lightning. If they charged at the ranch at .14 per KW and I think they went 25 miles and at 1 mile per KW that .14 x 25= $3.50. Diesel average in Colorado is $3.90 and they averaged 11 mpg so they used 2.27 gallons. 2.27x $3.90= 8.85

Lol quote from video "range doesn't matter" Nope, not a sponsored video.

Andre! Is the wheely king!

All we need is a bunch of landscapers towing 13k lbs doing 10 second 0-60 up Ventura blvd…smh Brakes & tires?

But all that fantastic towing capacity and almost instant(very fast) battery drain. 🔋 💀 ☠️

Is the drag strip at the same elevation as the ranch? Was the wind and temp the same for both trips? A full round trip by each pickup would provide more accurate data.

It doesn’t matter which way you haul a skid steer. I do it every single day. For those talking about the windshield…there is rear glass as well so you can break it just as easy. It does help if you have an implement on the front as a counter weight. I tow them backwards without anything on them and forwards when I have something on the front. Good rule of thumb is to always wear your seatbelt for that reason if you flip it over.

Other than weight and cost, are there any other reasons why diesel electric has been in trains forever and not in road going vehicles? Seems like the best of both worlds. Tired of the electric vs diesel debate because you aren't going to convert someone to either side. If I personly had to choose only one it would be diesel for distances and time purposes and that's all that matters to me.

@keithmceuen8775

Жыл бұрын

The Fisker Karma was a gas electric vehicle

@kc510

Жыл бұрын

A diesel hybrid would be cool to see the range.

@keithmceuen8775

Жыл бұрын

@@kc510 the Fisker wasn’t a hybrid it works like a generator running electric motors

@bostondan77

Жыл бұрын

You don’t have to fall on one side or another, if I needed to tow distance I’d go diesel or gasoline, if I needed an around town truck I’d go electric.

@anotherrandomtexan25

Жыл бұрын

Been saying this for years but it finally seems like it might happen with the ram EV it supposedly will have a range extender that will function similarly to what trains have... honestly I'd imagine HD trucks will go that way once that kind of setup is more proven

Reminds me of the time my friend from work got a skidsteer stuck staring up in the sky lmao the previous crew loaded it the same way yall did it there because they were in a hurry to go home.... and of course we had to deal with unloading it like that haha I had to get a forklift to tip back down xD

Excellent video gentlemen!

Andre is now the skid-steer master. Great video. The Lightning is blazingly quick, but for $13K less, I would choose the Ram if I Was towing heavy loads all the time.

All comes down to your use case. I tow 9500 pounds about a dozen times a year or once a month. However when I do it’s typically 100 to 300 miles. Occasionally further. I just couldn’t deal with dropping the trailer to recharge and then wait over an hour to get to 80%. If you don’t do that kind of towing though the lightning would do fine

@michigandon

Жыл бұрын

I find it bemusing how EvGo, Electrify America etc all love to show pictures of nice, pull-through charging stations in their promotional materials, but I have yet to see such a facility actually deployed in the real world!

Andre is a Legend. 🎉

@The Fast Lane Truck did you guys swap back the tire to the lightning 🌩 stock tires? If not your range and acceleration might have been affected by the GR tires.

I was thinking 11 seconds. Glad to see I was close. Seems like the lightening would be a good around town vehicle. Not so much if you wanna travel. It's impressive for sure

@dundonrl

Жыл бұрын

It's not impressive at all! The infrastructure SUCKS for EVs, the range SUCKS for EVs and charging time SUCKS for EVs!

Again you are over stating the capacity of that ram. The max tow on a 2500 Ram with the Cummins is 18950lbs. Thats a tradesman Crew Cab with 2WD. How do you get 20k towing with a payload under 2k????? 15% tongue weight on 20k is 3000lbs. 1800lb is only 9% of the GTW on a goosenect/5th wheel??? That truck weight 8200lbs and it has a GVWR or 10000lbs that's 1800lbs payload. Stop over stating the specs.

Good Job, Andre. You got it on there. I'm enjoying the EV truck videos even though I'm not in the market for one. It is fun to see the technology advance. I'm sure they will be there someday.

@bigz5262

Жыл бұрын

Battery technology is the big problem. The trucks are sweet though

Great job Andre!

That's a good tip on loading the front end loader - something a lot of people would not have thought of.

@patrickford18

Жыл бұрын

I think most people who own front end loaders would have.

That EV is faster 0-60 while towing 10,000 lbs then my 03 Honda CRV on its own. That time is unbelievable!

9 seconds sooner to a charging station.

I wonder if they disable 1 pedal regen in TH mode to avoid overheating the battery ? The mach-e had that problem going down mountains, it over charged, over heated

Battery percent is available in calm mode on the cluster. Use My View and set Calm Screen as your default.

I LOVE my Ford Lightning! Highly recommended it if you AREN'T towing long distances

@jeffschlagel5632

Жыл бұрын

80 miles towing doesn't even get me to the next city. Its useless.

@ohioguy4326

Жыл бұрын

@@jeffschlagel5632 Andy that is when the truck is new and in the Summer time, wait until the battery ages some and the weather is cold probably 40-50 miles.

@RobertoHernandez-cd9bs

Жыл бұрын

@@jeffschlagel5632 still pretty damn impressive for an ELECTRIC truck right?

@jeffschlagel5632

Жыл бұрын

@@RobertoHernandez-cd9bs no not at all.

Doesn’t surprise me that nobody could run a skid steer

I saw a lightning yesterday in corpus Christi with zero dang dcfcs. That light bar is a big giveaway

You mentioned aerodynamics and its affect on range, it would be really interesting to see the difference between a conventional and a teardrop travel trailer of roughly the same weight tested against each other.

@jeremychristensen2875

Жыл бұрын

It’s a 10% difference, they could go 8-10 miles more is all.

They had to use the diesel to tow the trailer to where they wanted to test the electric because if they would have used the electric pickup to tow the trailer there there wouldn't be any battery power left to do the test

@chrishansel9324

Жыл бұрын

did you watch the same video? they only used 16% to do half the trip in the lightning 32% total. I guess math was not you subject.

@lonsmithwesson1661

Жыл бұрын

@@chrishansel9324 Some people have never thought how they actually use a vehicle vs what they think they would. I tow a pontoon 30 miles 1 way to the lake cabin in the spring and home in the fall, plenty of range. As far as the math goes he could be using NEW math where you don't like the outcome so you ignore facts and insert your own reality.

@chrishansel9324

Жыл бұрын

@@lonsmithwesson1661 If you are only towing 60 miles you should be fine on one charge. Math does not lie EVs are two and a half time more efficent.

Did Roman just say "Electric trucks are kind of competing in the Heavy Duty space"? 0of

@CommonSense823

Жыл бұрын

They are not even competing in the mid-size/small truck space.

@loftyjon1729

Жыл бұрын

He's a comedian 🤣

@TFLtruck

Жыл бұрын

Well, the Lightning has a GVWR of 8,550 lbs. this makes it a 3/4-ton classification.

@CommonSense823

Жыл бұрын

@@TFLtruck having a 7 pin connector and a brake controller doesn’t make it “competitive”

@k7gixxer1000

Жыл бұрын

@@TFLtruck Very true, the two compete in weight, however Roman was referring to Horsepower and Torque in that quote. P.S. 3/4 ton is a payload classification and has nothing to do with GVWR. The label "Heavy Duty" is given to a truck when it's parts are beefed up for daily heavy hauling. I'm sure Ford would never call the Lightning HD.

Load the skid steer backwards because a lot of the weight is in the back of the skid steer, to bakance out the loader when its in use.

We tow these everyday facing forward. You have to use the arms for counter balance.

That 0-60 on the Lightning with the trailer. WOW. Thats faster than a Chevy Spark with just a driver to 60mph. Impressive considering the Spark weighs all of what, 2700lbs??

@kennetho5393

Жыл бұрын

It's probably almost as quick as the Dodge Cummins unloaded.

@killercan10

Жыл бұрын

@@kennetho5393 Still slower. The best 0-60mph unloaded data I could find was from MotorTrend with a 2021 HD shootout they did. Ram ran 0-60mph in 7.6 seconds.

@kennetho5393

Жыл бұрын

@@killercan10 TFL said they usually get about 9 seconds in the Ram. Keep in mind this is at a mile above sea level and not on a test track that is prepped.

@madguitarist

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, the Spark has less than a fifth of the hp and an eighth of the torque.

That ev can’t pull 20k. Cummins for the win

What was the MPG figure for the diesel towing?

I just want point out that if we want to compare the energy consumption of these trucks, we need to use the same units of energy. The diesel Ram, burning 41kWh of thermal energy per gallon of diesel uses 3.7kWh per mile traveled, while the lightning used 1.0kWh per mile. That’s nearly four times more energy used by the Ram to do the same work.

@OVER-bENGINEERED

Жыл бұрын

The Ram carries 1267kWh of thermal energy in its fuel tank.

Too bad you can’t hand it off to the Diesel once you’ve accelerated on the highway to avoid taking the next exit to recharge for 30 minutes.

@wizofsorts

Жыл бұрын

Haters will hate

@chrisshewchuk7532

Жыл бұрын

Oh you’re wrong ! They’d have to charge for 10 hours! Lol 😂

@tnargdonald

Жыл бұрын

@@wizofsorts physics are physics. They are not up to doing real work. Wow. They towed a ATV and trailer that would have been content behind a 2.3 ranger…. A normal 5000lbs RV would be a perfect test. Not a big ass toy hauler.

@yarrik701

Жыл бұрын

I've wondered what a diesel electric medium duty pickup would look like. Such a setup works well with trains. Probably too expensive and bulky though...

@yarrik701

Жыл бұрын

@@wizofsorts BEVs have some big shortcomings right now. With the energy storage shortcomings alone, you'll want people hating in electric trucks; ford and other manufacturers need to be pushed to either improve the tech or drop it if it becomes or remains a square peg into a round hole solution. Once Uncle Sam, in its over abundance of stupidity sunsets ICE vehicles, if that does happen, you can bet they'll be de-rating the performance of EVs for energy savings and environmental reasons, look at EV school busses today, they're not 0-60 performance monsters. Yes, they did this for safety and range reasons, but it's a glimpse of what's to come. That'll be a big EV selling point today, gone tomorrow.

Andre please tow your boat with the lightning and let us know the result! I think that is the sweet spot that Ford was imagining with the lightning. Shorter day trips close to home. See if you can go from your house to horsetooth and back! That would be a very practical real world test!

@ZenEndurance

Жыл бұрын

True. A boat tow and launch with the AWD is perfect for the Lightning.

You guys are great!

Thanks for the interesting video.

Keep in mind that using a Jake brake in slippery conditions will cause jack knife. The truck wants you to slow via both trailer brake and truck slowing weather regen or brakes

When the Lightning was towing an RV, you had to re-charge sooner. I seem to remember that it yielded only about 90 miles of towing a lighter trailer. Would the difference be a result of higher wind resistance? Or is my memory wrong?

@kennetho5393

Жыл бұрын

That's what I was thinking.

@patrickford18

Жыл бұрын

If its the same test I'm thinking about, it got 110 miles but they didn't run it completely down and left enough to safely get to a charging station.

@deanmorris6679

Жыл бұрын

They didn't even get 90. It was 75 and have to charge now. I hate these weight test they do cause no one will pull a flatbed with a skid steer with a half ton truck. Throw a 10,000lb 37ft camp trailer behind that Ford and the range would be even less.

@matthewanderson9912

Жыл бұрын

@@deanmorris6679 100% correct. More recently the guys have gotten better at mentioning the type of trailer affects performance but in the past it was strictly the weight is all they seemed to care about. Towing with a flat trailer is totally different than towing an enclosed type trailer. An empty enclosed car trailer weighing around 4000 pounds would get worse fuel mileage than that loaded flat trailer did.

@deanmorris6679

Жыл бұрын

@@matthewanderson9912 I see a lot of people pulling RVs with suvs that have no business pulling them. They don't pull flatbeds. Them just going by weight does not account for the wind load that can be upto a couple thousand pounds depending on wind.

Here is a better question in a post apocalyptic world what would u rather have an ice car or an electric vehicle

@riverpirate1022

Жыл бұрын

Neither will be of any use as no refined fuel, and no electricity generation to recharge with. Solar charging an EV would be possible but will take days.

Mentioned your tongue weight was heavier than you'd want or like, good thing about that skid steer vs a loaded trailer is you can move it to adjust!

You averaged 52 mph in a 60 mph speed zone with the Lighting, what was you average mph in the same 60 mph speed zone with the Ram?

@sking2173

Жыл бұрын

75 …

I’m confused about why they are confused about the one-pedal driving being disabled in tow/haul mode. Did they make this video before the other Lightning towing videos where they talked about the same thing happening? 🤔

I just dont know yet about electricity, I'm watching this on my Abacus.

I think you guys should have a camera recording the diesel exhaust sound everytime you do towing videos

Nice video and good to see Roman out with these types of videos. I’m not surprised by the better fuel efficiency than expected for both trucks honestly. Everyone gets hung up on the weight when towing but the size and type of trailer will determine the towing experience and especially the efficiency more than just the weight. Those campers and enclosed car trailers and horse trailers are like having a parachute behind you. And if they are long, they really will negatively affect a traditional 1500 truck due to their lighter weight. The Lightening is pretty heavy though so that’s a good thing for towing those types of trailers. Electric trucks may end up being the future, but right now and in the foreseeable future they are an answer to a question that no one asked.

@curtisbme

Жыл бұрын

It is the solution that would work in 99% of the situations that my neighbors and I have needed our trucks for in past 20 years. Towing around our properties, to and from hardware and tool rentals, and towing boats to the lake. Especially as very little of that is at freeway speed so the range isn't reduced as much. Most of the contractors I've worked with that have trucks would rarely have a work day that charging (or towing) would be an issue (assuming they are able to charge at home every night).

@matthewanderson9912

Жыл бұрын

@@curtisbme I would say you and your neighbors are in the minority for typical truck users, especially contractors using them for work. I helped some family with a pressure washing business for a few years and I towed at a minimum 50 miles a night, and in most instances it would be 100 or more miles a night. That wouldn’t work with an electric truck. I would say outside of strictly city usage most contractors that tow would tow more than 100 miles a day.

@curtisbme

Жыл бұрын

@@matthewanderson9912 Certainly possible but I'd put money on the majority of truck owners never towing anything let alone someone regularly. Can't find statistics but a good chuck of suburban owners have never even gotten the bed dirty, especially those that jack it up and do aesthetic mods.

@matthewanderson9912

Жыл бұрын

@@curtisbme you’re probably partly correct with city and suburban owners. But most everyone in the rest of the country use them atleast some of the time. I tow an enclosed car trailer with mine. Typically it’s a 250ish mile round trip for me. Not possible with an EV. I have friends at work that both tow campers. About the same distances. Anyways I like the idea of the performance of an EV with their instant torque. But until the technology allows for them to be driven like a typical gas or diesel truck (400 miles, refuel in a matter of a few minutes and go 400 more) I’m not interested. The whole political side of it is for another discussion too but no matter which side you’re own EVs are most certainly not zero emission vehicles.

But the diesel can pull double that and go where ever you need to go when ever you need to go there.

@tunanocrust2642

Жыл бұрын

This! Towing our surfboat to Powell is 700 miles one way over the Rockies and through a desert... Can’t do that with an EV. EV trucks have a place but it’s not replacing an HD truck anytime soon

@patrickford18

Жыл бұрын

Its a ridiculous comparison. These "influencers" are running out of original ideas.

@chrishansel9324

Жыл бұрын

that is not the point of this series of videos. The point of this videos series is to show that electric trucks, specifically the F150 Lightning, are vary capable.

@atodaso1668

Жыл бұрын

@@chrishansel9324 Capable as in having to drive at 40mph to have any chance at making it to a charger in optimal conditions?

@tunanocrust2642

Жыл бұрын

@@chrishansel9324 I mean its not really showing me its very capable... Its showing me that its good for 80% of normal people who "want" the truck image but should just get an SUV... But this truck is far from capable for people who actually use their trucks for hobbies or work. Its great for what it is, but that doesnt make it capable...

I made that same mistake loading a skid steer onto a dump trailer. It was a complete balancing act for a second as the hydraulics on the dump trailer moved under the weight.

Andrey, you scared the sh*t out of me doing that wheeley with the skidsteer.

Would love to see the 0-60 on the deisel maxed out.

@jghall00

Жыл бұрын

Double the weight, double the time.

Buyer beware! I currently own a 2022 Super duty f250 that has been nothing but problems the dealer and ford have been less than helpful. Almost all the issues are computer/chip related. If you’re looking at buying a lighting or any other ford product beware there will be no support after the sale.

Andre knows his numbers 😍. I get clowned on at work for knowing these things. I work construction. BUT I LIVE FOR CARS AND TRUCKS. I shoulda been a KZreadr. I had that idea in 03 but everyone called me dumb af. 😭😭😭

The deactivation of "One Pedal" driving while towing could be designed to prevent the trailer from pushing the truck out of control if the trailer brakes were not activated. Does one pedal modulate electric trailer brakes?

10 second 0 to 60, then straight to the charging station for the next 5 hours.

Need to do a long downhill breaking test ev vs gas vs diesel.

@AK_Ray

Жыл бұрын

they did

@madguitarist

Жыл бұрын

Ike Gauntlet videos.

The big thing with towing 10,000 lbs in a trucks rated at the same is you can do it, but should you do it? We always stayed under 75% for the sake of that additional margin of safety. If we were going over 75% for the truck, we used one of our heavier trucks up to an F450. Then it was a Peterbuilt with one of the different trailers we had. This was especially important when hauling fluids or livestock. Those loads never sit perfectly still. It’s depends on what you tow as well as how much you tow.

There is a faster way to look at battery percent. Set one of your cluster favorites to the calm screen, then you can use the arrows on the steering wheel to select the calm screen any time which has battery percent on it.

@heathwirt8919

Жыл бұрын

They still haven't figured that out but find the time to complain about it in every video.

Take them up over the mountain and back.....

I would really like to see the lightning range with max load without hauling any trailer. What would be the max range. I personally rarely tow trailers but carry alot of load as a farmer. Can I get 200 miles with the lightning?

@crazyoilfieldmechanic3195

Жыл бұрын

No. They have already tried to drive it down the hiway with no load or trailer to the next fast charger and didn't think they would make it and had to stop and slow charge 30 minutes and then turn around and go back 150 miles and then charge it 2 hours to get it back up over 95% charge. It's only good for about 100 miles away from home and then you charge it someplace while you eat or shop and then drive back assured that it is charged a bit more than you must have to.make it. If you drove it to an office job and charged it while you worked you might get away with driving most of the evening and then charging while you sleep and it's always ready to go that way but your not going to go 20 miles and check cows and then 20 miles to get feed or mineral blocks and then later 30 miles to get tractor parts etc etc without stopping to charge it before 5 in the evening to be sure you don't get in a bind to far away from a charger. If you could practice doing all that and mapping out your most regular activities you could probably run it down lower on charge before you must charge it but you would have to have another vehicle to be able to use the electric all day and come home with 15% charge and leave it charging in the evening while you take the wife to dinner someplace in the other vehicle.

@chrishansel9324

Жыл бұрын

@@crazyoilfieldmechanic3195 They are new to EVs and don't understand how to drive them to max efficiency.

@chrishansel9324

Жыл бұрын

The answer is yes. It all depends on how you drive it. If you drive like an idiot no if you drive sensibly yes. I you really want to learn about driving an EV I would watch other you tube channels.

You almost broke it "did you catch it on camera" 😂 y'all sound like me & my friends doing stuff

Great video