For a truck not meant to go "off-road", it did pretty well. That course is rougher than 75% of what people would subject this truck to. Great job TK!

@jeremypilot1015

10 ай бұрын

I think that percentage is only because many people buy trucks because they have powerful V8s 4 doors and can tow stuff, Like the average American sedan and wagon did for generations. The problem is Detroit and Japan only sell fuel economy boxes in front wheel drive with no frame so they're only good for hauling people not people and your stuff. But if we were to look at people who actually use their truck for work, most construction sites and farms have far worse spots to get stuck with your truck. So you are correct with your numbers but not because the majority of truck buyers use their truck as a truck, they are substituting for a lack of power full frame cars.

@imnotusingmyrealname4566

10 ай бұрын

75% of what Trailboss/Rattler/Tremor/Rebel owners would subject their trucks to

@AHungryHunky

10 ай бұрын

I think this might be the most nuanced and reasonable take from an internet comment I have seen on the rise of Trucks, SUVs and crossovers. They took over, because sedans got worse from a practical sense. Sure they have better power, and they have better rides and fuel economy, but from a practical perspective you can't use them like the old boats. You can't even tow small light campers with them, trunks might be big but the openings are restricted. Where I live, some legal roads have changes in grade so sudden that modern sedans with their low clearance can't actually make it without some damage. I shouldn't NEED a crossover so my kid can visit his grandma, yet I do. I'm fact, I actually have to fix the paintwork under my wife's car because she took our kid to grandmas, her car has 6 inches of clearance.

@zoobrizz

10 ай бұрын

NO desire for a AV Anxiety vehicles . Overpriced and stressful.

@jimmycline4778

10 ай бұрын

This truck was spinning in wet grass 😂😂 this truck is a joke of a 4x4

Only problem from my perspective is price, I know people with lower house payments.

@mikeflanary642

10 ай бұрын

Where are these affordable houses at?! 😂

@mikldude9376

10 ай бұрын

Yes lol , in this day and age , almost everything is expensive , not that things where especially easy to come by in the old days , you still had to work your ass off to make a dollar and buy a car or a house , but dollars was worth more back then , and material things where less plastic fantastic imo , i dunno , maybe i`m too old , but i miss the old days ..@@mikeflanary642

@Alexander-fr1kk

9 ай бұрын

My problem is horrific range when towing, charge times and $$$ for new batteries… that’s partly why Ford can’t sell them.

@RacerX1971

3 ай бұрын

Waaay too much money..

Fair point, not to defend this, but a general statement: the non off-road packages of all half tons would be similar for performance regardless of propulsion unit. Example, the Silverado in its non trail boss versions has highway tires, 8" of clearance, no lockers (lsd if you get the z71 package), and horrible breakover if you have running boards. The majority of trucks sold have little to mild off road ability off the lot. The fact that reviewers keep testing tremor/trail boss/trd/etc packages has planted this idea that all trucks are off road monsters which throughout history isn't the case. Those trims are not the ones the average buyer gets.

@imnotusingmyrealname4566

10 ай бұрын

Exactly. Normal trucks are not meant for off-roading, they are meant for hauling dirty things in the bed and heavy towing except almost nobody buying trucks today does that so marketing needs something else to sell you these extremely expensive and unnecessary vehicles for daily driving.

@AHungryHunky

10 ай бұрын

My old man has a work spec F-150, single cab, 8 footer. The "dream" truck of many online commenters. No screens, interior is vinyl and plastic. That thing is hilarious when it hits dirt. It's got the 4x4 to force itself over mild ruts, but you can hear the frame screaming the whole time and he about ripped off one of the running boards last year. Definitely not meant to go off-road, and in its current state is less off-road worthy than some "soft road" crossovers like Jeeps, Subarus and the Bronco Sport.

@rfjohns1

10 ай бұрын

Not really. The extreme weight is also a major factor.

@jg8263

10 ай бұрын

@@rfjohns1 can't say I fully agree. Yes, a normal f150 crew is about 5k lbs and the electric is 6500 lbs. But if 1500lbs would make an otherwise identical f150 too heavy to off-road, then over landing wouldn't work as a 1500lb gear load out or truck bed camper puts a normal F150 at this same weight. Note that, over landers and off-roaders typically take their stock trucks and put increased suspension and tire sizes, with more aggressive tires, on their vehicles, and if that was done to this truck the results would likely have been far different. So, no, I don't think weight is the exclusive factor here (although it doesn't help) but rather stock ground clearance and highway terrain tires. But for all fairness I do believe the normal f150 has just under an inch more clearance off the lot so would perform slightly better on the same tires as this EV, and either empty or a 1500lb payload.

@rfjohns1

10 ай бұрын

@@jg8263 Sure, but since the baseline is 1500lbs heavier, you're looking at an extremely heavy vehicle once you fully outfit it for overlanding or anything else. Add in the range penalty and very high cost, then why??

It’s a street F150 truck!! Nothing else

I need a truck to be a truck . I live in Canada how does it go through snow ? Or towing in the cold ? I will stick with the enternal combustion engine as long as it is available . Electric for short distances is fine , not for distance in weather

F-150 or RAM Limited are also 100k (Canadian) and are bad at off-roading. These are just extremely big luxury vehicles for people who tell themselves they might use their capabilities occasionally (they won't).

Needs air suspension that allows a low ride height for fuel economy on the road and tall for offroad, otherwise, you have to make a terrible compromise.

I think I'd be more interested in the Rivian R1T (or the R1S SUV). Both seem to have more offroad credibility, but you did show how good the Lightning is in snow, and that is probably good enough for most Lightning buyers.

My employer has 2 . Power is crazy. Range is crap. Towed a ten foot trailer with a hospital bed on it and the range was cut in half with a tiny trailer! Electric is a joke unless someone figured out range and quicker charging

@jimmycline4778

10 ай бұрын

Exactly!

@brendykes1202

Ай бұрын

It’s called the Silverado EV

Did you see TFL tow test with this. 36ft RV trailer, they had to pull in for charge after 89 miles as under 10% charge left Thats rediculous. Not worth the crazy cost, a city driver only. By way I'd rate your channel the best.

@liljay300000

10 ай бұрын

You mean city driver which is exactly what 80% of trucks are used for

I think a option package with air suspension to give you some increased ride height when you need it, but not killing range when you don't, would be the way to go.

Look how the light bar is misaligned 1:03 man this is crazy. Finally saw one in person and couldn’t believe how cheap it looks. The light bar looks like plastic from a milk jug. Crazy money for a disposable vehicle.

I agree that a truck should be able to do truck things. For that kind of money I want more than a grocery getter.

@AK_Ray

10 ай бұрын

Off roading isn't a "truck thing" , hauling and towing are "truck things". Some trucks can ALSO off road.

@ferretsmiles

10 ай бұрын

This can do a lot of truck things. Honestly people talk about these trucks not being able to do real work like towing but they forget that not every tow job is 12,000 pounds cross country. A lightning would probably be fine for a lot of city work towing a generator or other machinery to different job sites since it only needs to go maybe 20 or 30 miles. Yards or garages could be easily be setup so these could level 2 charge overnight.

@liljay300000

10 ай бұрын

The vast majority of trucks are just glorified grocery getters these days

I would love to see a stock F150 FX4 go through this!!! Another great video!!!

@zoobrizz

10 ай бұрын

NO desire for a AV Anxiety vehicles . Overpriced and stressful.

Stephan (or is it Steven?). Your knowledge is astounding. Your narration is always on point. I love how in the middle of your videos you say “as you see here” and you show a clip or pic of what you just spoke of. You, your dad and brother have the best channel.

@paulavenoso899

10 ай бұрын

I should mention I have an XLT Lightning. It was “only” $60k US. I had price protection because I reserved on day 2

@pajamatime5750

10 ай бұрын

How do you like it ?

@paulavenoso899

10 ай бұрын

@@pajamatime5750 I love it so far. It serves my needs. I don’t tow, my commute is under 10 miles (one way) and my long trips are under two hours out. Which is just enough to get me there and back home. I use Fords mobile charger at home. Convenient. And I certainly love the speed of this thing! And I’m learning to love and adjust to the silence. I still love the sound of a V8!!

It did better than I thought. I did not know these had a locker option built into the screen. That’s pretty cool. Also, I believe the lower trim levels (XL) come with beefier tires. There’s a business down the street from my work that has one with Michelin LTX tires on it, like the ones the 4wd Super Duty trucks wear.

Great video TK!

This is exactly what I wanted wake up to on Saturday morning! Awesome

Until electric trucks are competitively priced to gas trucks they will not be mainstream. Even then there’s a lot of hurdles to overcome.

@mikldude9376

10 ай бұрын

Meh , they will still suck mate , yes they have electric everything but , but a general rule of thumb is that the more whizz bang crap your vehicle has , the more likely you are going to have more failures . Imagine what all the electric shit boxes are going to be like after 10 years , and think about that battery range and if you decide to replace the diminished battery , one word ......... OUCH !

It’ll make a nice snow plow 🤣

@zoobrizz

10 ай бұрын

Hilarious

The flat beely of the truck sure smooths down the grass!

This is the lightning video I’ve been waiting for 👍

I love that color!!! I try for 1 in about 15 years.

Thanks!

Had to plow through some thick clay-based mud for work in my 2001 Tundra... 3 inch thick coating stuck to my whole under carriage. Rear bumper packed too. The Lightning's rock shields would be a complete nightmare in that scenario based on the grass and snow shown here.

I’d be curious to see an XLT or Lariat model with the 20” AT tires. It’s a hankook dynapro which are slighty more aggressive and believe are AT rated as well. Would be a better competitor for sure. Great video!!

I ain't driving thru those types or roads everyday so Lol I am extremely happy with my Lightning.

I still want to see the Ranger Tremor on the ditch crossing.

I have seen lift kits out already. Add different tires and a lift and I think you will be very impressed. Job site trucks just change the tires!

Just got a Lariat extended range. 17k off the sticker. It’s the best vehicle I’ve ever owned. Go test drive one and see for yourself. The 22 inch wheels on the platinum hurts this particular episode. The lightning is insane as long as you’re not towing heavy loads long distances…which I don’t and now compatible with Tesla’s super charge network.

Great video, tires were a let down along with ground clearance, however with proper off road tires you would have gone further and probably gotten stuck in a place on your property that could have been one helluva situation to get out of 👍

@evictioncarpentry2628

10 ай бұрын

The problem with that though is your range will probably go down 50% changing the tires. That's why they put highway tires on them so they can get their mileage ratings.

That things plated-up all down the bottom...That's alota plates man..this things prbly pretty heavy.....wonder what the batt weighs??

So... You can't tow, can't leave the pavement, can't easily refuel off the beaten path... BUT it's great in a drag race. Is this actually a truck, or a weirdly shaped sports car?

id love to see, even just as a concept truck, a lightning raptor.

@ctuan13

8 ай бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/rKJ2udKDZpe3dqQ.htmlsi=DiqC1Ibpyx79AEUi

The price of these new EV pickups is the headwind that will keep sales lower than what manufacturers predict. The convenience and cost of internal combustion are looking more and better to consumers as these expensive EVs come to market. I expect the race to BEV will bankrupt these American manufacturers.

@mikldude9376

10 ай бұрын

Yep , and it will be interesting to see how the batteries and range degrade as the years roll on , and if you are someone that is a battler that a car is a big purchase , and buys a vehicle and keeps it until its service life is kaput ( IE ... the car is rooted ) , how are these EVs gonna go long term ? ( i suspect they will be shit ). my last ice car ran like a top its whole life , it had 17 years hard life on it when i decided to park her up , it still had unopened engine ,gearbox and diff and drove and ran like a beauty with only general maintenance , and the only reason i didnt give it a refresh was 17 years of being the family taxi and tow car in the big smoke (AKA suburbia ) , never seeing the inside of a garage and left out in the weather , the body was fairly knackered . I seriously have my doubts about the longevity of a lot of the EV`s . It would be nice to know what a replacement battery is worth for every new EV , people do not think of this stuff , and i`d take a punt most car makers wont be advertising it , and also wont be replacing the batterys unless it meets the accepted degradation rate in the fine print deemed by the company , in other words , they are not just going to give you a free battery easily unless its really stuffed , and if its not a freebie , the owner is going to have to fork out the equal of a deposit on a house for a new EV battery . . Interesting times ahead .

That thing looks like it could haul 6 maybe 8 trays of flowers from the local nursery.

What would happen if you put bigger tires on the truck? Or a lift kit

Would love to see this test again with a lift and all terrain tires.

I think Ford is more interested in aerodynamics than ground clearance on the Lightning.

Here's the thing: probably 80% of folks who own half-tons don't NEED a half-ton. They daily drive it bc it's "comfortable" but they sure as crap don't off-road it and don't pull anything with it. Many don't go far from home either. Nobody wants the basic truck either like so many claim they do; they pay for the Lariat. This is the crowd that this truck is trying to target.

Most people who buy this truck will never go through anything like that. I did see a Lariat with a 3 inch lift and mud tires that looked a little more capable.

@zoobrizz

10 ай бұрын

Hilarious. It will have a 100 mile range at best 🤡☝️

Ready for a trail boss or z71 video. Any coming down the pipeline?

@zoobrizz

10 ай бұрын

Hilarious. NO desire for a AV Anxiety vehicles . Overpriced and stressful.

Need to get a Rivian out there!

My problem with this truck is the horrific range when towing, charge times and $$$ for new batteries… that’s partly why Ford can’t sell them.

Late to the game... Just got up..this was my first show of the day!!! ...

I need price to come down & range to tripple for towing! but I dont see that happening any time soon so I will keep F150 EB & Model Y :p my insurance bills tell me I should combine those 2

You can lift the front of the Lightning. It’s a traditional F-150 front suspension. I lifted mine 2” and put on 275 70 R18 tires and what a difference.

It did fine give the height and tires, but it felt underwhelming going through the bog. Doubt you’ll see a lot of these off road given the price and available aftermarket for it.

Soft roader?

Hello from Dearborn.

Those EV trucks are only good in production areas with at least gravel roads. Plus those heavy batteries cost about $20K to replace!

Don't know much about these but I was wondering, did the off-roading drain the battery more than regular driving?

@scottw595

10 ай бұрын

NO NO off road muddy roads spinning tires actually helps your batteries. We all know a smooth efficient road is way worse.

@mikldude9376

10 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂@@scottw595

@scottw595

10 ай бұрын

@@mikldude9376 I swear were living in the movie Idiocracy

@mikldude9376

10 ай бұрын

Yes , its a funny old world we live in mate :) @@scottw595

If you enable propulsion sounds it drives better!

I definitely wouldn't use my lightning platinum as an off road vehicle. Not an off road vehicle.

I’ll stick with the petrol.

@starshipdriver8536

10 ай бұрын

I’ll go electric for my truck.

2025 needs: Air suspension, supplemental heat pump, a better info screen, a "fuel gauge" on dash. like to see: accessory (to skirt regulation) Diesel range extender that ONLY charges and provides heat if not charging.

100,000 dollar truck 40,000 dollar batteries, and what 10,000 pounds ? It can go pound sand !

4:04 my new Colorado Trail Boss would have easily made it through that!

HA, Any lift kits for those things yet😅

The pricing in April 2024 was dropping to what it should be. It's a shame there aren't enough chargers where I camp. I wasn't planning on using the 120v/30a site supply to trickle charge it over my stay. Sigh..... P

They can get an aftermarket modified skid plate that's one whole piece someone will invent it

Test a base model with good tires.

Mechanical lockers rule.

It's only sold in xlt/lariat/platinum. None of those trims on a regular F150 are "off roaders" either. Buddy just bought one for local towing a 10,000lb trailer around all day for a delivery buisness. Lightning saved a ton of money over the Silverado 2500.

Don’t be a sally give it the beans 😂

I wouldn't mind an F150 Lightning with a set of Toyo Open Country A/T 3 EVs and a 2" lift on it. Hmm...

Alot of people who owns these, are rich city folks who NEVER been off road. Its funny they think it will be an awesome Off-Road truck just because its "heavy and have alot of TQ", lol... you never off road with a heavy vehicle. Always try to make it light as possible.

It’s a no for 100k..

Aren’t most pickups in the suburbs just used as luxury cars with some utility? 4 wheeling should be left to high short wheel base vehicles. There’s a reason you don’t use a side by side for cross country road trips.

@AbzAden

10 ай бұрын

That’s a good point I wish we could get a Toyota Land Cruiser 70 series

cool, load it up on that trailer and bring it to a charger

I can smell the burned electric motor from here..... Good bles Rudolf Diesel

This is for the city slickers that dont want to lose their image of having a truck and want "better" mileage. A truck should do truck things.

That thing is only meant for paved roads or flat trails, my 2020 LR Defender SEI6 would crush that off-road.

the pros outweigh the cons with that truck.

@zoobrizz

10 ай бұрын

Hilarious. NO desire for a AV Anxiety vehicles . Overpriced and stressful.

To me this is the same off-road oriented truck like Maverick so nah. The only good thing which is nice in off-road is it's power which could really help for example in sand or climbing.

Have you done this test with a Rivian? Would love to see that

@lesstevens2370

10 ай бұрын

The rivian would eat that for breakfast it has double the clearance at 15.3 inches and comes with a good pair of All terrain tires

I love the concept of this truck and I know it’s in it’s early stages. But I can’t wait to see a Tremor Version of this with a lift and beefy tires. Plus the upgraded bash plate would come in clutch. I think this could be an off grid farmers dream truck, long bed or not.

@blegi1245

10 ай бұрын

Have you ever tried lifting a vehicle with four corner independent suspension?

@Silverback_GMT410

10 ай бұрын

@@blegi1245 I’m sure the engineers from a billion dollar company can figure it out.

@blegi1245

10 ай бұрын

@@Silverback_GMT410 imagine being this dumb.

@zoobrizz

10 ай бұрын

Hilarious. With a 100 mile range at best. Ladies truck 🏳️‍🌈

@zoobrizz

10 ай бұрын

@@Silverback_GMT410. They just lost billions building EVs 🤡☝️

Yep..its a city truck. By designed its not meant to carry heavy loads, be driven in very cold weather..nah, waay too much also.

Better put out a Raptor version.

cool test but in all fairness, I don't think Ford meant for this truck to be used off road.

The testing was unnecessary. These trucks are stuck in the dealership parking lot 😂

Please get a Rivian on your course! I was debating between the R1T and Lightning last year and went with the Rivian. While I never drove the Lightning, based on my year with the Rivian, I think it would have no issues with this but…. I would really appreciate your opinion. That being said, I love my R1T and it seems to have way more capability than I have skill.

Great video, fair review. But the truck is missing one thing, a V8 GAS ENGINE!

First reason would be because ford's weakest link is the transmission so the transmission will brake

There’s going to be a lot of those on used car lots real soon.

@imnotusingmyrealname4566

10 ай бұрын

why?

@volvo09

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, why? Isn't there still high demand for it?

It's a truck that can't tow, can't go off road, and costs $100k no wonder them shits aren't selling.

This guy looks like TTC driver 😂

That truck is for people who don’t need a truck. Get it??? Lol

Air suspension will give it the clearance

i know you are from the dark ages, but this truck even tho it looks like a pickup it was made sadly for the road , it can happen that you can also use it off road but that wasn't the main purpose of the vehicle

Why are we off-roading on street tires

Why not?

well it USED TO cost over a $100K

Did you know that Ford is losing money on every Lightning sold?

Not really made off-road electric vehicles

Hard no for me

Remember the chev heavy half, or Ford big boy. Its to bad those engineers don't see what off road really is. And where's its generator or alternator. Or oh o don't know sum dang reason NOT to chrg for hours. Waiting to be muged just sayin .lol

Thats what 85 percent of truck buyers want... better on pavement with or without snow

I’d really like to see a Lightning with a lift kit and all terrain tires. I still wouldn’t buy one of these but if I won one or someone gave me one I would drive it. 😂

@zoobrizz

10 ай бұрын

🏳️‍🌈

@lenm2857

10 ай бұрын

There is a video of a Lightning that has been lifted, I think it was by the KZreadr "Ellie in space" (or something like that).

@d.williams6891

10 ай бұрын

@@lenm2857 Thank you! I was able to find that video you mentioned. They built a sweet off-roader! If they can significantly improve the battery range on the Lightnings I would be more interested in buying a lightning for commuting to and from work to save miles on my current rig.

What worries me about these EV trucks are how they will handle on snow covered roads. Is it even feasible to lift these and add some 33 inch off road tires?

@darpompie4354

10 ай бұрын

ahhh. They had a whole section in this video explaining how they have another video about the Lightning in the snow. Spoiler alter. It was excellent due to its heavy weight and 50/50 weight distribution.