The worst part about taking everything you can is that lots of people do this for alt jobs, leaving people trying to gear their main job behind.

@samwilkinson9309

Жыл бұрын

We had some of our group PF the 2nd fight on the first week because not everyone could make it and someone like me has terrible luck meanwhile our Ninja got 2 bits he didn't need (In a different PF) so he now has more tank gear than both the tanks in our group because

@Malacite

Жыл бұрын

I mean, gearing has always been a massive problem in 14 because not only is it not even exciting to chase because there's no real power or interesting mechanics behind the gear, but it just takes so long that it runs counter to the armory system which is touted as one of the game's biggest selling points. Like wtf, make up your mind about it Yoshida it's only been 10 years and 16 is done now too so no excuses.

@ruily276

Жыл бұрын

@@samwilkinson9309 There is no such thing as not needing a piece. If it has higher ilvl it's better overall even if it's a skillspeed piece.

@KhronosTrigger

Жыл бұрын

@@ruily276 That’s actually incorrect. You only really survive easier cause of the higher vit on the gear. But removing something that gives crit/direct hit/determination and replace it with something that gives skill/spell speed will naturally do less. You gain maybe 50 more int/strength and lose over 200+ direct hit determination, which in some cases can be the reason why you keep hitting enrage. Stone, Sky, Sea is a great place to see the difference in these stats it makes a huge difference especially when someone knows their class rotation pretty well. I have cleared p9s twice so far and have yet to see enrage, this goes to show how worthless crafted gear is but it’s so hyped up because people don’t know how to survive with min ilvl cause people don’t use mitigations properly.

@ruily276

Жыл бұрын

@@KhronosTrigger I just checked the gear planner and compared 640 to 650 and 660. The difference is like 10-50 dps if you chose a higher ilvl with skillspeed over a lower ilvl piece that has crit/det/dir in it. If you die to enrage because of 50 dps there is something majorly wrong. Especially in this tier where dps checks are very lenient in the first weeks.

Better loot distribution than some statics in NA/EU.

I was confused and shocked to find that people roll on stuff they don't need. if I don't need something, I don't roll on it, but I'll still roll on multiple items if I need both of em.

@marslara

Жыл бұрын

I feel like it's common sense though, I think most people do that. The difference is where people draw the line of need, I would consider getting gear for alt jobs as need but others might not think of it that way.

@Asari547

Жыл бұрын

@@marslara if you consider things you need for alt jobs as need, than you need EVERYTHING dont you? you cant draw the line lower than that no matter your stance.

@marslara

Жыл бұрын

@@Asari547lol like I said some people don't agree with that. People have even commented here they think it's selfish to grab stuff for alt jobs instead of your main. 🤷🏾‍♀️

@SuguSugux

Жыл бұрын

​@@marslara it is selfish for you to roll on everything when your main job only need only 1 or 2 pieces. However if your main job is now bis and you're an alt then is not selfish. Atleast that my stance on it. If my monk need 1 piece then I will roll for it. And pass for others who actually need it for main

@cleyra8550

Жыл бұрын

Until a better system is in place, i spent my time in the fight, I've earned every single drop. UNLESS that party was like 3 pulls or under, then I'll just take bis. I play everything, make a system that ain't grabage.

Its a common practice in JP called 左取りぬけ means take and leave from the left coffer. If you roll for the loot and got it, you proceed to leave before people roll on the next one. Not all JP PF is like this, free flow (フリフロ) is also practiced but less common. Its usually stated in the PF description so you know what you are in for.

@gazel7424

8 ай бұрын

Do you mean フリロ (フリーロット) for free loot?

It also happens on OCE PF as well, that I've noticed lately. L>R feels more fair, than watching someone getting 4 pieces of loot, at least in my opinion.

@iSailorBoat

Жыл бұрын

OCE took it from JP since they all use to play on Elemental before they added the OCE servers.

@Relixification

Жыл бұрын

@@iSailorBoat This. Ever since the separation, I've seen lots of people not doing such etiquette. Fuck I missed Elemental so much.

@BlackWolf1589

Жыл бұрын

Most of them came from elemental that got a bit of jp culture despite being en speaking asia and aussie player

@thegenerichyur

Жыл бұрын

​@@Relixification tbh what I love about JP DC is that there are many etiquettes that needs to be followed, some of them like an unspoken rule but it is clearly there. And it's impressive that players do that as a form of respect to fellow players and even just basically to be organized.

@Relixification

Жыл бұрын

@@thegenerichyur yeah, eng and jap people co-existed, I have so many japanese friends because of it, and it was truly like an Anime MMORPG society that you cannot get anywhere else, one of my favorites are, everyone MUST do the commendation before leaving.

The fact that some western players are surprised that easterns are considerate and less greedy when it comes to loot, is quite hilarious.. or worrying

@rhael42

Жыл бұрын

definitely worrying

This is true. In PF usually people stated the loot rules: either L>R or FFA. Most of the PF will use L>R rule and only nearing the end of the tier life you will find more FFA PFs.

My main's on Gaia and yeah, this is generally how it goes. Later on when the tier gets older and a lot of people are in BiS they'll make more free-roll parties where you roll anything you want for alt job usage, but from-left-then-leave parties persist for those who are still newer to clearing the wing.

Would be very hard to start doing this in EU/NA. If you try setting up a part with left>right rules, people won't understand what it means, and even if you explain, there are no consequence if they ignore it, only an incentive to do so since they can't trust others to follow the loot rules. It's a catch-22

@ruick78

Жыл бұрын

I going say expecting people to follow that rule. Is like expecting players doing frontline roulletes to actually put in the effor.

@fuffybear6865

Жыл бұрын

Could always start a master loot party that states L>R and have people roll manually

@fuffybear6865

Жыл бұрын

Plus, this applies to any and all systems that are new, until it becomes the norm. A lot of real life stuff is predicated on the concept of trust

@chain587

11 ай бұрын

You can just wait until the one who win the loot to leave first before rolling next or just tell them to leave as they already got it

One time an FC member of mine accidentally rolled on everything and won a couple of things. When the other party members talked about it he felt so bad that he paid them all a certain amount of money, as if it was a merc party. There are several loot rules you may see, so pay attention if you decide to join. The Left to Right one is the most common, but sometimes you'll see PFs for free roll, sometimes the party leader wants to buy out all the gear, and especially in the final fight of the tier the order can go all over the place (like Need weapon if your job actually needs the weapon/everyone picks a weapon they get to need on if it drops before you start, followed by the weapon coffer, greed weapon aka free roll on the actual weapon if no one needed it, and then whatever else). And remember, when in Rome do as the Romans! Please follow the etiquette/strats/culture of the server/data center you're visiting or playing on, whether you think your way is better or not. It's about being a good member of the community and a good team player.

@oolune

Жыл бұрын

My rolling luck is so bad that I didn't even know you could get more than one item from a savage fight each week.

I don't mind people taking things they need for bis early in the tier, but oh my lord is it devious watching just one player sweep a full chest.

@MrJjjakey

Жыл бұрын

@@Kate-ms2mn yeah that's pretty cringe too. Another is when a big streamer already in BiS sweeps the chest and immediately drops it all in their chocobo bag full of raid coffers

@nateortega2912

Жыл бұрын

Dude, I got 4 chests from this week 2 from p9s, one from 10s, and one from 11s. I felt dirty getting all these chests during this week. Tbh, I didn't get anything for 3 weeks, but now sheesh. Ain't rolling for anything no more unless it's my bis

They do this in OCE too but makes sense since a lot of OCE people are from JP

@HoennAngel

Жыл бұрын

Wait, they don't do this is NA/EU?

@BombasticCatman

Жыл бұрын

@@HoennAngel Apparently not lmao

@coolyeh1017

Жыл бұрын

​@@HoennAngelit is super rare in NA and EU.

@extinctbaryonyx

Жыл бұрын

A lot of OCE players are migrated from the JP server, maybe they also brought the JP Loot Cultures XD

The loot thing alone is amazing, I think that's quite fair. I also am a huge fan of their macros, a lot of NA directly shuns macros but wow oh wow when you get used to them does it suck to go back to not using them.

@Chris-iv8sb

Жыл бұрын

Ferro had a peticularly good take on NA and macros XD

@TrueChaoSclx

Жыл бұрын

honestly I hate macros lol. But I always do this with loot personally even though I KNOW no one else is doing it. At least until after week 8.

@profanegaming2829

Жыл бұрын

Nah most macros are absolute dog shit and there's a reason the majority hate them.

@yes-yes8632

Жыл бұрын

Can you enlighten me a little on these macros and what they're useful for? A link to where I can learn more?

@IceboyMyName

Жыл бұрын

Played a few years on EU data center and when i came back to raid on NA i was a bit taken aback that people don't use macros at all, seems like a waste tbh

I play on Mana DC, Masamune and have raided since Omega. Yes this loot rule stuff happens, called 「左から取り抜け (Hidari kara Tori nuke)」, means you will *TAKE THE ITEM FROM THE LEFTMOST* whatever the item may be, then should you get the item, whatever it is *YOU GO OUT* from the instance and let the others take the loot, assuming there's still loot left.

In EU I don't pay much attention at how people roll, but I do pass or greed, and did win some gear with greed once or twice per tier. Makes sense for me, an off-BiS is basically useless, and I'm not about to gear BiS for jobs I barely use, and it would take months to gear multiple jobs anyway.

@StriKe_jk

Жыл бұрын

The problem is that even non BiS pieces are better than the crafted you have otherwise. So everyone need rolls

@Narlaw1199

Жыл бұрын

@@StriKe_jk Meh, it's not an unoptimised accessory or even 1 armor piece that'll make or break a fight for me, especially if it got skill speed that can mess with rotation. Even more so now that they reduced the number of tomes needed to buy gear.

@DEJ915

Жыл бұрын

@@Narlaw1199 vit is vit and for pfing it can make a difference lol

@crowdemon_archives

Жыл бұрын

​@@DEJ915as tank main I'd sooner roll for something that doesn't throw my SkS off

@Narlaw1199

Жыл бұрын

@@DEJ915 Uhh... of all the stats, I'm not sure that vit is the more coveted of them all, capable of transforming a potential 0.1% wipe into a kill... And speaking of pfing, it's arguably better to pass on uneeded loot to bring up pf's average ilvl higher.

This is a direct reflection of a community-minded society of the East vs. the individual-minded society of the West. Plain and simple.

I think it took me 10 weeks to get the weapon and chest from P8S. And like 12 weeks to get everything I needed from p6s. (Please YoshiP, put 2 coatings for jewelry in second turns)

I actually never knew NA or EU never did this lmao. In Asia pf's, they always indicate if it's a L>R or free for all (FFA).

besides the loot system, re-clearing savage via duty finder is a thing too which is nice

This is why they don't want us in JP.

( Left to right rule ) Major pf do like that on first few months so increase chance for everyone to get gears however after game decrease weekly restriction then rule loots usually free for all (FFA)

that's quite informative and interesting actually

I rolled 56 on earring, 96 on bracelet. since I got the earring, and I have the bracelet from previous week, I ask if anyone need it for their bis, then passed on it because somone need it. especially for the first few weeks, More people have their BiS, the better pool of people's dps in PF.

You know the loot system is bad when players have to do something to alleviate the others player's struggle 😂

@altansipdrae2759

Жыл бұрын

that's why books exist, plus they really nerfed the number needed

@theexiledones1

Жыл бұрын

If you call this bad you haven't played enough MMOs.

@purplefreedom1631

Жыл бұрын

@@theexiledones1 agreed... you either get loot systems so bad you can go entire tiers without getting specific drops like WoW (don't know it is currently), or like ffxiv where even if you never get a drop you'll get enough books to get at least 1 item per raid every 3 weeks (used to be more)...

@chiptastic2000

Жыл бұрын

@@purplefreedom1631 tf is this bootlicker mindset, you can call a system bad and it can also be better than other options. A bad cup of coffee is better than a cup of shit, but its still a bad cup of coffee.

@yeahmatt

Жыл бұрын

@@altansipdrae2759 you shouldn't have to get a month and a half of reclears for one pair of pants

The gear system really needs work. Going from a static to pf feels awful. Three weeks in and i just got my first piece of gear. And thats only because they made accessories take 3 books.

@rtbear674

Жыл бұрын

Also, If you need 2 more accessories, and you have 3 books. thinking wait for next week see if one of them drop, then buy the second one. Then somehow you don't get anything else till you get 6 books. 6 weeks of no upgrades.

side note we do this on OCE we refer to it as L>R and if you get something you pass on the other things (not sure if others mentioned this in the comments further down so sorry if it is a repeat)

I also pass on loot I don't need, but I don't leave if I get one of the items, if there are more I need, I'm rolling on those as well, those are weeks that I can save myself.

That’s so nice, I’m on week 4 and only won a ring so far

also "the forbbiden strat" THATS MY MEME i made that!. im glad people love it and re-upload it. haha

Yes, we also do it in ENG speaking communities in JP server as well (Elemental has a lot of EN speakers while Mana has more JP players).

We do this in the OCE region as well. A lot of us learned the game on JP servers and we adopted the strat and called it L>R loot.

This happens a decent amount in OCE, too xD Not 100% mind you, but the goblins get blacklisted fairly fast and it's a really small server to be testing your luck like that. But thinking about it more, it's not that strange since a lot of us were originally from JP servers

@darrellbruh1335

Жыл бұрын

Why do they get blacklisted for playing the game the ways its intended?

@syldrakitty5649

Жыл бұрын

@@darrellbruh1335 Because joining a party that is requesting loot be handled a certain way, and then disrespecting that to screw people out of their weekly loot, is dishonest/scamming.

@darrellbruh1335

Жыл бұрын

@@syldrakitty5649 I mean that's fair but it doesn't happen on NA/EU

@HowlingDoom

Жыл бұрын

@@darrellbruh1335 Yeah but they were talking about OCE

7:27 my static actually did the same thing, we all just laughed at how we made a star/pentagram outta nowhere XD

But there's one little thing this guy missed, in some jp server L > R loot party won't allow you to roll things before the far left loot is determined. Which means in this case, you can't roll the ring coffer, see if you have a strong number then pass left loots.

They just need to treat savage gear like Normal mode coffers. You can keep clearing it till you get a piece, but keep it so you only get 1 book per week though.

Yep, and this is another reason I sorely miss the early - mid years of FF 11. First MMO to ever have NA European and JP players all together on one server and I swear even though I couldn't read the kanji, most of the best levelling groups I ever joined were all or mostly JP players. It was the same with 1.0 as well, but apparently we offended them so much collectively that as part of the transition to ARR they demanded their own servers. TRUE STORY. GOOD JOB EVERYONE. orz

Been that way since launch. What you want in the raid is usually decided on as you join the party. There is no greedy take everything you can there.

@Kojiro3210

Жыл бұрын

Na AND EU are just flat-out greedy. That's why i decided to stay on JP during the post 2.0 mergers. I dont need those headaches. These types of systems, at least on Karnak in 1.0, were already in place by the JP side of the community since the hamlet defense was released. I actually didn't know at first when i accidently lottoed on slneone elses item, but I liked it once i learned about it. it makes it fair for all participants, at least if what they want drops. There was always some kind of trouble from some na/eu folks who didn't agree to such a system. Either joining a party as one class then switching to another because that other slot was already taken... like thats gonna fly. Coming in acring like they agree with the pre claim system, then rolling on everything anyway in hopes of running off with it all, and sone did. Just immaturity.

Sad truth is the creator of Dad of light, the real life person who reconnected with their Dad through FFXIV passed away in 2021, the Sage class is in some ways dedicaded to his memory as both he and YoshiP became friends over their shared Gundam interest. He played FFXIV since beta of 1.0. Also the actor who played Dad of Light also unfortunately passed away in 2020.

I only week ago learnt that can get several in one instance. Always thought u can't after getting one, and leaving when I was getting

I like the L>R rule, so at least 4 of them still have chance to get loot for their work, instead of being goblin'd by one person I play in Elemental, this is what we always do, i do skip something i don't need like im reaper so i will pass on head, hand, leg pieces as i don't need them as my BiS, it's good to help others to complete their BiS. (Anabaseios tier)

@crowdemon_archives

Жыл бұрын

Currently, as I'm tank main, I've passed practically everything after getting my 1 accessory (necklace) for my BiS. Only collecting books as a thing to keep track of progress and in case if I want to gear up alt job.

@willeht3295

Жыл бұрын

"goblin'd by one person". Assuming everyone rolls for everything, literally 0.4% chance of that happening. People make it way bigger deal than it actually is.

It surprise me that NA and EU didn't do this, usually there will be desc on PF it either FFA (free for all) or L>R (left to right)

My static on NA does this loot system too, it's very wonderful

I pass also on what I don't need for the very reason that people already can't dps properly, so they need all the ilvl they can get (EU here).

i run in such a pt in EU once. got a drop with a roll of 17 and i was surprised

I used to be one of those JP players in FF11 online back in 2002. We had rules built that we all followed such as asking the person permission ahead of you before posting anything on the Auction Board. Before each EXP party, we agree to a time frame of how long we will play. Anyone leaving early or asking to stay longer was considered rude and may be black listed. We also had set schedules for who gets to do the raid between linkshells (guild). This also meant we needed to agree if you're going to create a linkshell who wishes to grow to be raiders. All this was challenged when NA joined the game around 2003. I was handful of JP who knew English and I was the middle man. There was so much resentments against NA, we even petitioned to start JPonly. Meaning we collectively refuse any deals with NA. We were also closer to the server so JP had the upper hand in claiming a NM (Notorious Monsters). We used advantages like that to practically be an asshole towards NA. It was crazy.

@ryuness

Жыл бұрын

That resentment was definitely warranted! I played on Alexander and one of my linkshell mates had a Noble's Tunic crafted by a prominent Japanese crafter on the server. The crafter got lucky and it turned into a +1. Normally, it was understood that the crafter would keep the +1 and give a regular one to the customer. Somehow my linkshell mate convinced the crafter that he was going to keep it for himself to raid with and was not going to sell it. The VERY NEXT DAY, the Noble's Tunic+1 was listed on the auction house and JP crafters across the server banned NA players from commissions for what must have been over a year. On the flip side, it was amazing how quickly the JP community helped me get a piece of my White Mage relic gear. I couldn't get anyone on NA to help me. I asked my Japanese friend for help thinking we could duo it, and 16 other people showed up out of nowhere to help me!

JP: “got what I only needed - ty!” NA: “yoink”

normally week 1 i will just roll for ilvl boost even if it's not my BIS. But i still follow the 1 item rule. Week 2 onwards i will only roll on my BIS and pass everything. But saying the above, i always lost every of my rolls with single digit for 1st 3 weeks XD .1st 3 week i always never get a roll higher than 10 . Karma for being greedy..lol

The static im in utilizes a similar system If you need something for you main job bis, you "need". If not, you "greed". Fair and square, everyone gets their bis sooner or later. Too bad it aint possible to do in PF 😂

This is Left to Right, its mostly popular in JP and in Materia, (most people raiding in Materia did come from elemental with some who came from NA adapting). people who take all when parties are clearly stated as L > R are actually very shunned on. basically, you roll from the leftmost loot peice first, you win the peice, you leave the instance or pass on all other loot. it applies from fight to fight. when i do PF parties until the loot cap is lifted, i often do L > R since it gives everyone a fair chance on the loot that people needs.

@crowdemon_archives

Жыл бұрын

Plus, not like you can't roll for everything either, you just need to make sure it's a "FFA" party instead of "L>R".

Maidy Maidy, rest in peace 😢

Come on thats not fair, us EU people have the french weighing us down.

@KakaowyKruk

Жыл бұрын

During Stormblood french players were so unbearable that i had to transfer to NA

@Hitsugix

Жыл бұрын

@@KakaowyKruk they still are ^^

@SogonD.Zunatsu

Жыл бұрын

How so?

@Hitsugix

Жыл бұрын

@@SogonD.Zunatsu well, if you google "why are french people bad at video games" you know why.

@SogonD.Zunatsu

Жыл бұрын

@@Hitsugix I did and still don't know what you mean. There are only anecdotes that people argue over.

Wait people don't pass on stuff they don't need? I do that all the time especially on class I'm not playing.

The last functioning society lol

No such thing as only rolling on the things I need because I fill every role. What happens then?

They do this yeah, i cleared with friends on Mana, but i was on alt i didn't feel ok with taking loot from thier mains so i asked to lot on wpn token from 10s, they told me to lot as well

It feel really weird watching the video after I read a tweet about JP pf not wanting any player from Elemental💀

@eltoncdb

Жыл бұрын

I didn’t get much of that in Mana (I’m from Elemental), even tho I just use auto-translate. Unless you lie about prog points or have no idea about pf strats, they rarely will vote ppl out.

I also pass on gear I dont need, but I do roll on all the things I need. Altho sometimes if I almost got everything and I got like one thing I am like alright I'll pass bc I can buy it with books anyway. Only really want to level one class anyway.

Wait what NA rolls on everything?! I'm on OCE and we do L>R just like JP and I thought that was normal. My mind is blown.

it doesn't matter. it's not about JP or NA its a squeenix system.

i'm feel sorry for anyone who make fun of that movie Dad of Light, it's really good and touch my heart a lot

Raid gear by default should only be one piece per person per run outside lootmaster setting

3:45 Normally I don't find the bald jokes that funny, but this one actually got me to laugh

Yes, we do that, I play in elemental

True in EU it's free-for-all in pf.

そうか左取り付け先ロット禁止ってJP特有の文化なのか。。。世界展開してるMMOって同じゲームでもどこに属してるかで文化全く違うの面白いな。ギミックの処理法とかも全然違ったりするし

This wouldn't be necessary if they would just put 8 drops like normal and lock it to one reward for person, I'd rather get one guarantee piece from each turn instead to gamble for gears but maybe this would slow down statics gearing up?

On oce its a mixed bag, some parties do left to right, some do free for all...i like the ltr method

I hope she gets a lot of positive attention, she seems cool.

It keeps ppl coming and gives everyone a chance to get gear and progress together

I do this since day one, i didn't know this was such a strange concept in na xd

This + Macros makes them simply superior

L > R is what OCE does most of the time when it comes to lockout loot, otherwise it's FFA.

Mmm interesting video!

EU person who mainly plays on NA, I skip on what I don't need until I'm bis on my main, then I start picking stuff I need for the next thing I want to play as. Not everyone tries to yoink everything lol

4x need every time, no regrets. Exept last time when this sage got 3 items, many regrets were given.

Contrary to what is said in the video, AU players adopted JP party practices while NA and EU are too individual focused to adopt them.

EU Datacenter on Light here. I am always rolling on everything.

Man, I don't PF often but it'd be cool if we did that in EU but one guy would rather risk all or nothing than having a higher chance at 1 piece of gear, I think that's classic western mentality honestly. I'm all for the JP way because my rolls tend to suck. That was my main concern for reducing book costs, there's a higher chance I gotta use books to gear in my static as we're funnelling the DPS, but as long as they're willing to stick around for gearing alt jobs I don't mind so much but I swear if they start wanting to skip when done with a turn for main jobs after I used all my books I won't be too impressed as chances of me gearing in EU pf with my roles is slim.

yes they do this, so everyone get a chance, but usually you are forbid from looting ahead before the most left item are still in loot phase, because if you do things like in the video, there's chance you get the item twice because people is passing, which is unfair

Let's be real NA isn't just greedy it's horrible....3 weeks on primal DC and not one clear group has made it past limit cut. Let that sink in......Everyone just wants a hard carry so they can loot and scoot lmao

@vielara

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, I just jump over to Aether for reclears and prog. Primal PF is a wasteland in a post cross-DC world.

We do this in OCE Materia too.

When I was playing on NA server a couple of years ago, people were skipping on stuff they didn't need. Has this changed really ? Seems quite sad honestly...

Yea on OCE its mostly left to right loot you don't have to leave but if you roll twice when loot rules were in the pf description enjoy your 3 day vacation and both gear stripped.

Am I the only one that roll need on the loot that I need and greed in case no one want said items?

@crowdemon_archives

Жыл бұрын

Only did that for a P8S merc run I did once, because I was in fact trying to hunt down WAR and DRK main arm. 😅 Also PF wasn't exactly conducive for reclears at the tail end of Abyssos...(or before 6.4)

Wait, I do that, Why would I need for things that I don't ._.

How does NA and EU do it? FFA?

People do L>R in OCE too

Oh. I was always doing this. Am I the goober then D: ?

I talked a really smooth PF group into doing this since we 2 shot P9S week 1 on monday. They were all happy and it was awesome :D.

I don't do endgame raids right now... but honestly. I'm NA and I always pass on stuff I don't need. I feel special now. lol

Wait I do that tho if I don’t need it I pass on the loot. I thought most people do that.

OCE does this too - there's.... its weird. It's like all the good parts of NA/EU/JP all came to OCE. L > R loot but with the "i'm sticking it out mentality" instead of one food disband/calling last because you wiped 3 times. It's a waaaaaaaaaay smaller community, but a lot more close knit raiding scene which is both a good thing and a bad thing; if you're a fuckwit, EVERYONE is going to know and not want to raid with you. Like I've had people join groups I'm in for some savages/ults and I'm just chilling in VC with friends, and one of them goes OH FOR FUCK SAKES NOT THIS GUY and we all just go ALRIGHT, SPILL THE BEANS - I frequently have friends who raided on NA saying "holy shit I don't miss raiding there" and "bro why are the bad players on materia still better than the bad players on NA" and it just cracks me up coming over from JP. You get macros that don't... explaaaaain fights, but neatly condense it show your positions for the fight, for that role. So if I called D1 I know who my partner is off rip for partner mechanics ect; there's no confusion. 10/10 enjoyable experience. p.s I'm Australian. Sorry for the F bombs LMAO.

@lepops8728

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From my experience (personal and seeing others), people are usually inclined to stick longer if the party is promising, and if it's a practice PF for a middle mech, and then set hard rules like 1 food disband/3 wipes before (insert certain mech) to push clear or prog, even the latter has ppl sticking out sometimes if someone only made a slight oopsie and if the specific mech is encountered within first two pulls or so.The hard disband rule mostly comes into effect when you know that one person or two is consistently wiping the party and is a trap. But doing Extreme via DF is a non negotiable 3 wipe disband though lol.

@charnotaurus2665

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@@lepops8728 preeeeettyyyyy much. It's like if it's a totem party for ex6 and people brick gales 2 HAHA. People will call last there. But if it's easthogg prog in DSR and there's meteor memes people are fine with it because... Sometimes you just get cursed and it sucks, cuz everyone's gotta learn that at some point. Depends on the content yeah.

Wait... That rules only exists in elemental server?!

N.A./EU mind set mine mine mine mine

It seems like I've been naive, but I never roll for loot that I dont need

yeah its called L>R we do it on oce too

Idk why theres even like group loot pulls. Why not just every player have their own loot.

Japan is all about that respect, when those guys got outed as cheaters on TOP they quit the game because they weren't going to find a group ever again so o believe this

@SogonD.Zunatsu

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More like all about that public shame.

@marslara

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Being obsessed with rules is not the same as respect. They were sending that team death threats. They're also notorious for kicking non japanese people out of parties

@FinalJimothy

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Bro death threats arent respect

@hammsuke3981

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@@marslara if its the recent drama, if i were a japanese, i would also be mad of these prog liars, i can't blame them..

Yes we really do that...

They should change it back tbh. One loot each week would be better then less chests depending on who cleared.