"Striking since shadowbringer" Wouldn't it be more like just a change of role at this point ?

@SageTigerStar

4 күн бұрын

whole strike is literally just a way to emotionally cope with putting their "mains" down for 5 minutes to try the new DPS jobs. :P

@yeetusdeleetus4697

4 күн бұрын

@@SageTigerStar No you're just too casual and don't know enough about the game to understand, thats the issue with the strike. 90% of the entire community doesn't actually play the game, they follow youtube content about the game, they tweet about the game, they make forum posts about the game, but almost none of you play beyond the MSQ, you finish the story and don't realize how terribly you played and log off for the next story beat. Healers in ShB and Endwalker were terribly boring because if you had a single functioning braincell you never had to heal anything but raidwides, which is just weaving an aoe regen. You can look on FFLogs, 90% of all casts in ALL content INCLUDING Ultimates are DPS casts by healers, and we have 1 DPS button. Spending 90% of all content being useless and spamming 1 button isn't fun. Luckily however, Square Enix agreed despite all of your whinging and screaming at people not having fun, and introduced more damage frequency in Dawntrail, so it doesn't really matter what you imbeciles think because we already won, the Strike got exactly what they wanted and healing is fun again.

@yeetusdeleetus4697

4 күн бұрын

@@SageTigerStar I'm surprised you can dress yourself, if you even do

@SageTigerStar

4 күн бұрын

@@yeetusdeleetus4697 I'm starting to think you're a fan, you seem to gravitate towards my comments, so what's your fave coffee place?

@yeetusdeleetus4697

4 күн бұрын

@SageTigerStar you post a lot of cringe, it's fun to make fun of

The healer that doesn't do savage complaining about lack of job complexity is pretty funny to me lol.

@zerohikari1145

Күн бұрын

SE will listen to them before us thats what sucks

@phatymcdaddy

17 сағат бұрын

​​@@zerohikari1145unfortunately its a business at the end of the day and they will cater to the 99% over the 1%

@dv2244

3 сағат бұрын

Healing is braindead outside of Savage and Ultimates. And if the majority of your time as a HEALER, is spent pressing a DPS button. Then add another dps button to press. Add a proper dps rotation to healers or make healing harder. That's it. Astro has extra buttons it can press to keep itself busy. The others don't.

I love that you corrected the point about dps. Healers have been required to dps since ARR. If you aren't dpsing as a healer, you are not playing the job correctly.

@samwisegamgee3596

4 күн бұрын

I wholeheartedly agree with this, until it comes to healers complaing they have to heal. It is your job, you heal. If you are doing harder content thats a different story that you need to work out with your group. But otherwise, stop complaining that youre having to do your roll instead of green dps.

@khdayskh1314

4 күн бұрын

Meanwhile freecure still exists

@idowhatiwant3557

4 күн бұрын

The developers say otherwise weirdly enough.

@Miss_Hi_Jinx

3 күн бұрын

ABC! Always be casting!

@KeathalKrisom

3 күн бұрын

@@idowhatiwant3557 This is taking it out of context. It's the # of healing abilities over DPS abilities, but the developers never said that Healers should not DPS and more about healer's # of heals opposed to the # of DPS abilities they have. DPS checks in Savage are made with healer damage in mind. Go into week 1 savage and tell the healers not to DPS at all and I'd be surprised if you'd make it through the first fight.

It’s nice Xeno listened to them. Arthas just speaks over his in his interview

@OilFreeFeathers

2 күн бұрын

>them

Honestly the way some of these boss fights are designed in DT …no way a healer can complain or be bored…All these fights require heal checks

@TheMegaOddly

4 күн бұрын

i did the first dungeon after i messaged my friend "Healers dont have a reason to strike they can heal me" because damn these dungeons HIT YOU HARD.

@noahwagoner7650

4 күн бұрын

Not really as a dps im healing through with bloodbath alone. Its the fact theres little mechanics for Dots and cleansing

@lv.99mastermind45

4 күн бұрын

As someone that only has two non healers and plays healers 99% of the time, that's what I was saying. Given what I said, I wasn't finding it really hard, but still a lot of healing is needed, especially in the EX's.

@Zyart

4 күн бұрын

@@TheMegaOddly Did we even do the same dungeon? I ran that as WHM and it's still just as much of a wet fart as everything else.

@thatmanavakon

4 күн бұрын

@@Zyart same. I did the dungeons as a drk with the trust system and alisae doing single vercures every 4 seconds with wall to walls felt fine. and all the adds just do autos and frontal cones. its pretty braindead

If you could turn off the subscriber sounds during interviews, it'd really be appreciated. Not trying to be rude or anything, and not sure if it goes on the entire time, but in the beginning, to me atleast, it's really distracting when the guests are speaking

@XenosysVex

4 күн бұрын

Yea I normally have them off

@dazzlemasseur

44 минут бұрын

​@@XenosysVexyou missed a spot 😂

Xeno used to play Scholar too. “Scholar Xeems”, was it?😂 Even Xeno is on strike, he just doesn’t know it.

@hensem4891

3 күн бұрын

scholar xeems was on strike alongside allagan sage and Bald Mage

@zerohikari1145

3 күн бұрын

"wtf do i know, im just a burger." -Xeems

I felt like the dungeons in DT have been challenging enough. If you have even one DPS who just doesn't get mechanics after a few times and another who dies once per boss, you can stay healer-busy.

@alchemi8085

11 сағат бұрын

Yep, been my experience as healer. The healers "went on strike" before they even gave any of the new content a chance. Knee-jerk reaction, as people do.

Ngl it feels like theres more of a tank strike when every roulette content needed a tank fill during the past 4 days 😂

@MrCharly780

4 күн бұрын

Yep 90% of time the missing link is tank not healer

@RPGmancer

4 күн бұрын

I never get the tank in need thing. :( I main tank. Also really people play tank more. It's legitimately the easiest role in the game on God.

@peterpetrarca4691

4 күн бұрын

I queu with me as dps and my wife as tank and the que is almost instant. aint no healer strike its prob like 15 people 😂

@TaskuWright

4 күн бұрын

@@RPGmancer I've played since ARR and every role at Savage level, DPS and a little Tank in Ultimates. Healer just offers a different Job fantasy that is unique compared to other game genres. WHM was that I was first interested in and basically only played until the end of HW. The tank role just attracts a different type of player, normally a more confident one. Like you said it's the easier role in the game but the Job fantasy from the outside suggests the opposite.

@dividion

4 күн бұрын

Don't worry habibi I'll be coming back to the game this week probably +1 tank incoming.

I had a guy running Conjurer in the lv93 dungeon my first time through. He insisted he wasn't griefing and it was okay because I was on WAR. The DPS sat down at the start and I followed suit until we kicked him right at the 5min mark. While it's true I would've been fine, it's a matter of principle and people need to get over themselves. If you're that mad either play a different role or gtfo, because actively griefing your party will not change anything

@Valkyrie_Veil

4 күн бұрын

Yeah, that’s true. People intentionally griefing like that are not part of the strike, and they should absolutely be reported.

@AaronWOfficial

4 күн бұрын

He missed the part where he is meant to do dps, and as a conjurer you can't use holy lmao. He was unknowingly griefing by not doing any dps.

@eternalbladegg309

3 күн бұрын

i had a blm practically afk cause we vote kicked his afk dc'd friend. i was not 3 manning the first dawntrail dungeon especially while derusting astro xD

@thatoneguyffs

3 күн бұрын

I do this as well and infact I start the run dont use mitigations to see if they will heal if they don't I kick.

@Rotomoo

3 күн бұрын

@@eternalbladegg309 and with the queue times lmao.

As a Healer, whenever I have a good tank I'm basically that one guy singing payphone instead of stressing. Though a part of me crave violence and want more tools to kill my enemies faster.

@sdkdoom

4 күн бұрын

then play dps i guess?

@yeetusdeleetus4697

4 күн бұрын

@@sdkdoom Yeah I agree with your logic and everyone against the healer strike. We should remove all rotations on DPS and replace it with the "Damage' attack button that you press and do max damage everytime. DPS's job is to DPS, not to press a lot of buttons and do a rotation. Lets remove damage abilities from Tank too while we're at it, they're Tanks, not button pressers.

@theyondak6090

4 күн бұрын

@@yeetusdeleetus4697 Easy with the salt bud

@yeetusdeleetus4697

3 күн бұрын

@@theyondak6090 No one here is salty except seemingly you because someone else posted an opinion you didn't like. Might wanna seek some professional help for that.

@T0ra99

3 күн бұрын

​​​@@theyondak6090You go around and just try to put people down, It's beyond sad, get some help.

I've commented this in other videos, but healers shine the brightest in new content when no one knows what they're doing. The playerbase at large has gotten better at the game and when you're so good at healing that it is no longer interesting to you, you've grown out of the role. I think this group's expectations are way too high vs. what SE wants to do with the content. SE wants to make the content more accessible, so it makes sense to 'gimp' all roles to a certain degree and ramp up the general fight difficulty with mechanics. Also: everyone reacts to content differently, so it's hard to find the average ground that works for everybody. There are people who *struggle* through casual content. These strikers are not those people.

@Iseu47

4 күн бұрын

That pretty much matches my thoughts, but I think there's still room for improvement in casual solo play for healers. But the more I've thought about it, the more I wish SE the best of luck. Healers seem the be the hardest to balance for the range form casual to hardcore as far as I can tell.

@Frostbyte115

3 күн бұрын

​@@Iseu47 healer is in fact the hardest to balance regardless of what you do. You either end up doing what Warrior used to do and do as much DPS as as a DPS class. Or you don't need Mit because obscene tools or Healing so hard nothing feels good to heal. There is little middle ground

@MyChannelsNameIs

3 күн бұрын

In a game that works off the trinity system, the ability to "grow out of" a role because you're too skilled is a failure of game design

@WrexsolToob

3 күн бұрын

@@MyChannelsNameIs Are you sure? Everyone will achieve mastery at some point. Game Design can only go so far. How about you design something that 100,000 people will try and figure out by the hour?

@mukakruda8474

2 күн бұрын

If they're bored by casual content, maybe it's time for them to accept they're not casuals anymore It's silly frankly for them to complain about the casual content being too clearable, when people are on their 506th run of the same dungeon no one wants that shit to take forever they just want to get out quick. Also so far this and last expac have been climbing up the damage on parties and stuff so it was an overreaction

Good interview/discussion. I enjoyed listening to it. As someone just coming back to the game after a couple years' break, I don't have much of an opinion on the current state, but I always enjoy the theory-crafting. My personal theory is that healers are one part chaos gremlins, and enjoy randomness and things not going to plan, or a plan that's a bit unpredictable. And their list of favorite encounters seems to agree with that. Which also means that the best place to be a healer is either progressing or in the most casual content where people don't know what they're doing. It should also mean that Astro leaning into randomness with cards should also be a favorite, but SE never has gotten that card system quite right (and we the community optimize the fun out of it pretty fast too). Not that I think I could do any better. I suspect that if they focused on making the healers more fun to play solo then it would also fix a lot of the high level issues. That and leaning into some classes being simpler and some more difficult, but I agree with Xeno that since everyone has favorite classes just for aesthetics, that's not really likely to happen.

@SubduedRadical

23 сағат бұрын

I kind of agree, though disagree with that last point: They've already done that. WHM/SGE are already simpler, particularly WHM, and have been. WAR (and to a large extent now, PLD) are this way for Tanks. I think the trick is to match the Job fantasy with what is simple/complex. Like WHM being a straightforward healer that just has powerful heals that just work really well makes perfect sense and matches that class fantasy. On the other hand, SGE is this doctor slash archmagus slash academic that wields a complex array of four telepathically controlled wands simultaneously using their knowledge of anatomy to conduct magical battlefield surgery on the fly...yet is a somewhat simple to play Job rather than a complex one. Which doesn't fit the class fantasy. WAR is an unga bunga class, so an unga bunga class fantasy makes sense. If they just match the class fantasy of the aesthetic with the playstyle, I think it would work fine. They also need to make LB not punish you for having two of the same Job, and also get rid of the pure/barrier split. If WHM, for example, had mitigation/barriers (Shell, Protect, and Stoneskin would do the job and fit the lore and traditional White Mage identity) so that it could do both pure and barrier healing, then it'd be fine. People that don't want complex would all just go WHM, as they already do anyway, and the aesthetic largely fits that, so most of them would be happy, while people that want more complex would just go with one of the other healers, whose class fantasy also lends better to it (SGE I mentioned, SCH as a scholar and military tactician working with a aetherial attache, and AST wielding a knowledge of time-space and a little luck). I think it can work as long as the simple/complex is matched with the class fantasy/identity of the Jobs. Again, WAR being unga bunga simple fits hand in glove with the class fantasy.

I think the only issue with the whole "What if healers had an unsustainable dps button?" is that people would just metagame their piety around it. There's no way they could make it deal enough damage to be worth it but also balancing piety so people can't either trivialize the cost or ignore it and continue to do zero piety with pure crit+DH and just spam the weaker spell for cheap and do more effective dps right? No way to make both the cheap and expensive cast worth using.

As someone who has mained healer since 2.0, DT is the most fun I had healing since HW/SB. Our role isn't perfect, but it feels like the devs are trying to cook something better content wise.

Just a request, please turn of subsounds during interviews and stuff. It's a very loud one & it interrupts the flow & can make you miss out on things you or they say.

@rayndooma5624

4 күн бұрын

Leo, please. If possible, is there a way to split Twitch sound effects audio from Xeno's mic and the game, etc? So in post edit, you can just delete Twitch sound effects for the youtube vods?

My duty finder has been wall to wall 'tank in need' since the first minute of early access, clearly the strike is a bunch of nothing.

@YvaiatheDemon

4 күн бұрын

sadly not exactly true. We had a healer who was paired with my fc member that played WAR and the healer deadass refused to heal him ESPECIALLY cus he was a WAR. I am glad you didnt have to feel it yet xD

@RedLightz_TV

4 күн бұрын

@@YvaiatheDemonas a War main, I just shrug and keep myself alive lol If they don’t wanna heal me then ok, I’ll do it myself lol Had to solo bosses in DT dungeons because everyone died. I can do it again if I have too

@luckystarnine4812

4 күн бұрын

@@RedLightz_TVSame here, kept having healers die to bosses so I’d solo it with another DPS as much as I could.

@bortmode

4 күн бұрын

@@YvaiatheDemon If they're queueing, they're not on strike; someone doing that in an instance is just trolling and you can report them

@JopieA

4 күн бұрын

It was less of an actual strike and more of a call to action, people wanted to bring attention to how boring healers are and calling it a strike makes it immediately clear there's a issue with the role and that people are dissatisfied. Xenos initial dungeon run was just the straw that broke the camels back, people have been complaining about healers since Shb and no one is listening. I think the strike already achieved its goal with how much attention it's got.

Oh no all 3 people who don't even main healer went on strike. Anyway...

Wait there is a healer strike going on? I thought it was just the usual "all the tanks are busy, please comeback later."

@shadowsage2636

2 күн бұрын

It's a few dps mains crying that healers aren't mini dps. they will give up eventually and go back to those. i was also unaware this strike was going on till about a day ago. and cam to also realize that it's just a small minority of the internet whining about nothing as per usual.

I had a Puppet's Bunker roulette run today where myself on SCH and my party mate on SGE carried the entire alliance and rezzed entire parties multiple times. Sometimes the most fun is emergent tomfoolery. I do agree that healers are not as fun as they were, but I am also an old miserable bastard that misses HW MCH so...

@Aberusugi

4 күн бұрын

yeah, I don't miss a damn thing from heavensward, it was clearly broken in so many ways

@marioharrer9999

4 күн бұрын

what they want is to balance game and jobs around 0.1% of playerbase. I say if they do tht are u also willing to pay 4-5x more sub fee bcs thts how many players game would lose and followingly the budget.

@zugetzuzu

4 күн бұрын

TBH, I'd rather have HW healing and machinist than what we have today. I know that most people don't want that but healer atm is so bad unless you're doing prog. Party member screws up? You've been conditioned to not expect screw ups so it's annoying. Healing? Don't need to, everything is on your OGCD or tied to your damage mechanic. Damage? You have 2 basic abilities and you might be lucky to have additional damage buttons depending on the job, otherwise have fun spamming 12111111111111112111...

@everyonethinksyoureadeathm5773

4 күн бұрын

​@@zugetzuzumost healers couldn't find their esuna button in 3.0. Your expecting them to find it in 7.0. I can count on my hand how many times I've died to clensable mechanics and it's over 10. HW Machinist was fun but new MCH is what HW mch should have been at the start if you ever played FF4. Also every MMO up to that point never had their support classes damage be based off one stat, and healing off another. I know some people want to bring up a certain WoW class...but those people forget that WoW class was never brought into higher end content due to its weird mechanic. What XIV healers want is a god tier class that can do it all. If you want to play support, go play Bard or dancer. Healers exist only to smooth out the tanks cooldown cycle and healing. They exist so Jonny eat a mechanic lives long enough to contribute. A good dungeon party will have a healer DPSing 80% of the time and the same goes for raiding.

@marioharrer9999

4 күн бұрын

@@everyonethinksyoureadeathm5773 i have a shocker for those ppl once we have stuff on farm i am bored on dps as well bcs i am pressing same buttons over and over and..

Abrassive Healer main here I’ve done all content from RP,Housing,Casual,Savage, and Ultimates. Quick FYI Healers damage output is about 8% This healer strike is just bullshit. The people interviewed don’t even play all of the content. About 79% of everything they were projecting are skill issues and that’s okay! You can become amazing at your class if it’s a skill issue if you care to actually learn and play your job. You’re the heart beat of a party. Play your job and do it with grace and humility. It just sounded like they are getting burnt out from skill issues and not having “excitement” which wasn’t really clarified as what they wanted but to have a dps rotations which a healer class shouldn’t have. The game was never meant for you to play as ONE Class you can but theirs a reason why it’s 21 jobs to choose from. Small things that should change are SCH GCD as well as its CD and AST card system (maybe bring back noct stance) One last thing I will add though is the expectancy of healers to have a perfect healing and damage in flogs is what should be addressed. As parsing is a big part of any content especially endgame. Whereas you get picked apart and judged by your peers of if you’re good or not. And those that were interviewed DO NOT speak for all healers that are out there ENJOYING THEIR JOB

@grygaming5519

Күн бұрын

Noct may never come back because Sage exists although as a defensive buff maybe (but WHM will also need to receive something as well) Agreed on all points though, the hallmark of a healer is this: if you're doing your job right and your party is doing their job right you'll be bored. That's where you'd want to be as a healer. They want the classes to be busy similar to old school scholar in 2.x-3.x.

@user-vu5se4pi7k

Күн бұрын

as a Omni role and Healer junkie, i Agree!, Theres the Gaming Community, then theres the Gaming Community in their Heads, Just because our Boredom is their Fun, and yea, i Parse as a Healer for my own reasons, because it helps me Adjust to to the right groups, plus i like to Do my job right and also call out others on their BS in game because theyre fragile with egos,

@janekgaganek3871

16 сағат бұрын

Heh if anyone wants a healer challenge, go do potd on them xd Its not unfair to say that AST palace difficulty is legendary and u got to know the kit inside out

@SubduedRadical

9 сағат бұрын

Exactly. Plenty of us are enjoying healer life atm and don't want the changes these people want. They absolutely DO NOT speak for all healers, or even a majority (something they even admit but try to spin it to "but we're still a majority, just most of our majority has stopped playing", like wth and how do you even measure that? o.O)

@Lashante727

2 сағат бұрын

Highly agree with you, I greatly enjoy my job and use all of my buttons with joy. Keeping the entire party healed and safe, including my tank. It brings me a sense of pride that I made sure everyone made it at the end of the journey/fight.

"hectic enough to be fun" sums up Dawntrail to a T. These healers would absolutely be loving this expac if they were playing it.

@idowhatiwant3557

4 күн бұрын

It doesn't

@natweigel

4 күн бұрын

Not a striker healer but i played the entirety of Dawntrail up to the new extreme as healer and it's still mid tbh we have so many "oh shit buttons". I can cheese some of the mechanics on sch by just crit adlo myself + excog if I feel fancy and stand on the goop. xD

@Tyrbris

4 күн бұрын

They are playing it, they're bullshitters and will be healing through it.

@BaghNakh1

Күн бұрын

@@natweigel bro imagine being mad about suffering from success

@dale7326

16 сағат бұрын

The guys already said those stuff but nothing change. Probably never

Personal Opinion: I think it is silly to have a healer strike myself. I understand that there are issues with healers by design as I do play all four healers (and have played Savage + Ultimate). However, having a strike of not using a healer will not solve the issue itself, and what are the chances that Square Enix/JPN would care about the strike? I believe that if ppl want to do a strike about it, then do it effectively such as unsubscribe the game, and letting Square Enix know that you actually meant it (see example of WoW players back then with their exodus during 6.0 End Walker). A business company will only start to care if their income has been affected, and that is the harsh truth of reality. As for my own view, I stand by the view that: if I want to DPS or have a form of DPS rotation, then I would just go and play DPS job. There's a reason why we have a holy trinity of a Tank, Healer, and Dps present here in FF14 and I feel that Square Enix/team is trying to preserve that as a baseline. In the end of the day, we have to remember that this is their game. They can take players opinion and feedback in mind, but they're the ones that make the decisions because that's what their visioning of the game would be.

@cyanmage1

4 күн бұрын

the best part 2 of them said they haven't played healers since shadowbringers and that was 4 years ago so they really don't matter anyways the game is fine without them

@shadowsage2636

2 күн бұрын

@@cyanmage1 They never did, people who actually main healers do not care and will continue to play them, i also play all 4 and have not cared in the slightest as i understand we heal.

@cyanmage1

2 күн бұрын

@shadowsage2636 I hated the change to drk back in stormblood but instead of throwing a fit online I just switched to redmage and loved it and after the paladin rework in endwalker that is now my go to tank, these people should just try new things instead of hyper focusing on one thing they absolutely don't like while saying they like it

@zerohikari1145

Күн бұрын

and yet here these boys are, subscribed to the game. and heal when asked to.... so its literally a non strike claimed to be a strike

In regards to the Dragoon rework they didn't say it was gonna huge, they even delayed it specifically due to negative feedback on other reworks.

@Shizukanexen

3 күн бұрын

This! They said it would be the same level as the Ninja rework, and it was exactly what they said it would be.

@Chippaization

2 күн бұрын

feels like im playing mch now

@Kriselia

2 күн бұрын

I've noticed ppl do this with FFXIV a lot. Just misquoting or misremembering what the devs have said, and then ppl repeat it so long it becomes fact in the minds of a lot of players. Maybe it's because the devs are speaking in another language, but it's weirdly common.

My healer q’s are insta. They can stay on strike xd

@elCamo12

4 күн бұрын

right?? xD

As a SCH "main" (been playing since ARR) and someone who just finished DT MSQ, I had a fucking blast. I've done savage and cleared a couple ultimates, so I'm by no means a super casual player. But for DT, the dungeon and trials were great, I felt engaged, loved the new takes on mechanics and I obviously enjoyed the healer queue advantage. So I don't know if I'm just stupid or not as "hardcore" about the job classes I play, but I don't feel anything close to what these healers feel.

@airget

4 күн бұрын

Ya, I think it's just the mentality of the design of healer, you are meant to have more than you need because you need that freedom to be able to save a run if shit goes down. If your toolkit is just enough to get by then you can't have those heroic moments where you save an run because you used your capstone ability to save a DPS from a tankbuster or combined all your healing potency to just scrape by and prevent anyone from dying cause your other healer went down. So in that respect I feel the toolkit is within the vision they have for healer, of course this means their DPS rotation lacks but that's by design, for all intent purposes they want healer DPS to have bare min influence on the ability to clear content, it's more of a nice thing to have than a necessity(a necessity within Savage first clears though) but at proper IL and the such where the intended content is suggested to be beat at a healer shoudl not need to maximize their DPS to clear.

@NataliaAkashiya

4 күн бұрын

I really think most of these people don't even know what they are talking about and just want the attention. There are small things I could complain about but those are mostly for AST and not so much healers overall. Scholar feels really good to me so I have been really enjoying it a lot more lately than enjoying the regen healers.

@AntCommando

4 күн бұрын

@airget healer damage has always been additive, your damage makes up for the lesser gear of the dps to meet dps requirements early, and matters less as those dps get better gear and start doing more damage, then your damage just helps push phases and reduce clear times, it's always been that way since heavensward, you are never expected to maximize your damage, your damage is just flat damage that raises the groups overall dps

@JihoonJKim

4 күн бұрын

I've mained white mage for closer to a decade and I've just never been able to grasp how people get bored playing healers in itself. Whether it's silly dungeon pulls with tanks that forget mits to ultimates where....something similar might happen, there's always an emergency non-standard factor to healer that has always made it very fun to play. It's one of the rarer classes that can deal with emergencies dynamically whereas dps have to hit the same rotation the exact same way as possible and tanks are beholden to a similar role, except with OGCD mitigation management that can be completely planned out. Healers can be play closely to tanks in that regard, but they still need to keep a mind open for revive windows when someone makes a mistake and/or gleaning which resources can be burned to fix a missing body and whatnot. It's literally the most mentally stimulating jobs to play, at least when you play content that pushes you to think that way. But if all you do are the same X dungeons and then post on Eorzea Collection... ofc the game is gonna be fucking boring lmao.

@andysan3764

4 күн бұрын

Some people just have a way of looking at everything under the lens of what they don't have rather than what you can do with what you do have.

Do 2000 mentor roulettes as any role and you’ll know why healer jobs are the way they are. Understand that a significant portion of the player base are going to be unable to complete the current role quests in DT due to not knowing what Esuna is. I believe the range of skill levels in FF is significantly larger than most people realize. Healer is a role that changes in complexity with the skill and familiarity the party has with the content, and I think that’s just part of the role of healing in general.

I've been leveling WHM through the MSQ and I love it! Glare IV gives me an extra dimension of dps to consider. It's not huge, but it's nice.

@nickscarlato216

3 күн бұрын

Also love Glare 4! I've sadly have been overhealing more than ever. Medica 3 is gorgeous and overheals be damned, I want to see it lol.

Dear lord the mic picks up every morsel of sound coming out of his mouth

Mean while all my dailies are tank needed and i get insta queues lol

@humanoidrkangel

4 күн бұрын

same with those who are still healing lol My ques are instant when I go in for dailies.

@Paien75

4 күн бұрын

Yep lol

@uriel9777

4 күн бұрын

Even before dawntrail the need of DPS was scarce.

@zugetzuzu

4 күн бұрын

Tanks in need is the default, that's why you most frequently see it. Once tank has been filled you need to wait a minute or 2 before it updates to healer/dps in need so you rarely actually see the healer/DPS in need symbol

EXCELLENT STRIKE MY LIEGE

@1Mrstephen

4 күн бұрын

The only way this takes hold is if there is shouts about it in game. Honestly interested in where this all goes.

@a_call_beyond3164

4 күн бұрын

​@@1Mrstephen it will vanish into nothingness. It honestly feels more like tanks are on strike lmao.

I’m not a healer main, but damn was it fun doing the final fight on Bozja’s third zone when all the other alliances were dead and had to solo heal and raise people as an Astro

@cutejustice

4 күн бұрын

I keep saying but they should really put the bozja raids into alliance raids!! That was so much fun

@Nodnarb59

4 күн бұрын

​@@cutejustice please no I can't stand Bozja

@TheMegaOddly

4 күн бұрын

@cutejustice one of the raids I think it's eureka should be in it just because the RNG that the people on the outside actually fight the boss to help thoes doing the raid

If "Actually..." was a Person.

@unixtreme

4 күн бұрын

Truest statement.

@ruick78

4 күн бұрын

Yea 10 mins in I was like yea i think im done listhing

@crowevil4658

4 күн бұрын

Lol

@Caediae

4 күн бұрын

yeah they all sound like they are transitioning something irl too

@idleeidolon

4 күн бұрын

"Hurr durr big long words ConFUse me duuuuuh"

As a casual healer who sometimes does extremes and unsynced savages I am quite happy with how they play in DT. I think they should keep in mind that a lot of casual players don't want to sweat and just enjoy the game.

These guys sound exactly like what I would imagine someone that starts up a strike discord to sound like

@anon7596

4 күн бұрын

Bro 🤣🤣🤣

@anonymouschile5168

4 күн бұрын

on god

@VoltSlash

4 күн бұрын

This is the thought I was trying to put into words.

@duskangel1952

3 күн бұрын

So much

@rjhick1

3 күн бұрын

As soon as they spoke my eyes rolled 🙄

16:05 Deer in the headlights to a masterfully worded question. When I play Bard, I use my cleanse, I use Nature's Minne. And a ranged phys DPS that waits to use their mit for if the tank dies is just an awful team player anyway. I use my kit, whether i *HAVE TO* or not. Because you never know when you're gonna get a healer who doesn't pay attention, misses a doom on the tank, and you're the only person who can step up and fix it, even if you're just a DPS. Know your job. 41:55 Why are they referring to Bardam? The LITERAL tutorial dungeon in the third expansion? You learn nothing there except "who stands in bad" As a long time avid RP'er, hearing Xeno say RP was 50% of the game made me smile.

@xehant7319

4 күн бұрын

Thank you sir for saving all those tanks!

@tickledpickle5671

4 күн бұрын

@@xehant7319 I had a Scholar healer leave ME to tank in Dead Ends once. Because our PLD tank was new to the dungeon. He did the first wall to wall, and the Scholar had to heal him more than twice. Because of this, said scholar started pissing and moaning at the tank. And refused to heal them. First boss, they let the tank die. Didn't rez them, and healed ME, a BARD, forcing me to tank the boss. We got through the second boss with the same scenario. But I'd had enough. Third leg, this guy (lala scholar) Started bragging about how many Ultimate weapons he had. I finally snapped. "Okay, how about we play another game? I call it 'How many of those ultimate weapons can I shove up your ass, footstool?!'" Not ONE more word out of him. Bolted immediately after the third boss dropped. And I got two of the most grateful comms I've ever gotten.

@GuyN0ir

4 күн бұрын

@@tickledpickle5671 This sound fake because he should have been vote kicked after the first boss.

@tickledpickle5671

4 күн бұрын

@@GuyN0ir I know it does. And he should have been. The tank however wouldn't vote. -.- Even when asked to. Either he didn't know and didn't say anything, or he was too tunnel-visioned in getting it over with. But I can promise, it's 100% real.

@chelsthegameruiner8669

4 күн бұрын

​@@tickledpickle5671Had a similar situation, but with a tank. I remember the healer being rude to the tank so I sent the tank a tell apologizing on behalf of the healer. The tank then proceeded to respond with hostility and bragging about how they cleared every ultimate (at the time). My friends and I proceeded to clown on the player in a Discord VC, since we got "I was carried" vibes from the bragging

they can go on strike if they want to, i'll take the expansion players' first time bonuses :) All these healers strikers only do dungeon content 💀

I'm a warrior, jokes on them lmao

I think these people grossly underestimate how much the majority of the player base struggles with even fairly easy content. I did the normal 93 trial today. Took 2 runs, both attempts involved a healer LB3, to help recover from multiple deaths that were a result of one healer being constantly dead, and the other being tapped on MP. And at the end of the clear half the group was dead and things were looking grim. Personally I think tougher midcore content would be great for the game, and I think that's where the problems are. But the second you create normal content that presses experienced players to use their whole kit, you've effectively locked a pretty significant portion of the player base out of the game. Which would be a huge financial loss for SqEx if 30-50% of their player base suddenly can't clear the MSQ.

As a legacy player who has been playing as long as Xeems, I immediately stopped what I was doing when he called us OG healers out about cleric stance. XD

As a GNB/DRK tank main, i implore healers to comeback. Dungeons hits like a truck 😂

@sneakychopstick

4 күн бұрын

DT dungeons and trials don't play LMAO, they're here to murder fools

@YummyCatgirlMilk

4 күн бұрын

Just play warrior

@rexcyjones9416

4 күн бұрын

@YummyCatgirlMilk don't wanna.

@TheMegaOddly

4 күн бұрын

@YummyCatgirlMilk not fun for us

@andaroomca

4 күн бұрын

healers never left bruh, this is a small minority with their head up their ass

The real problem is that the 'Healing' part of healer and the 'Tanking' part of tanks is almost redundant in 99% of content. At least compared to other MMOs. Throw out the odd oGCD here and there and back to doing damage. On top of that - the Healer 'DPS rotation' is fundamentally boring and literally 1 dot and 1 spam button yet it is the thing you'll be doing most of the time. The most fun you'll have on a healer in FF14 is when everything goes wrong. Other healer DCed, 3 or 4 people in the dirt cause mistakes were made, relentless raid-wides and mechanics while trying to piece the party back together. That feels amazing but sadly it's a rare occurrence.

@whitesaintatarmaon5766

3 күн бұрын

Um, not at all? The team being alive feels good, i don't want my team to get flipped over just to press more buttons If you wanna be more active just play a DPS, or a tank

@Gremiyuns

3 күн бұрын

thats what he’s saying though. playing healer is mindless brainrot that isn’t fun unless your party sucks. kind of speaks to the current state of the role

@whitesaintatarmaon5766

2 күн бұрын

@@Gremiyuns depends on what you call fun. Sure, you don't need to heal much if your team is really good but that applies to a lot of stuff In an ideal party you'd only need to heal the tank since everyone (you included) wouldn't step on aoe's and such. Then you have party-wide unavoidable aoe's that give you reason to use aoe heals, but that's pretty much it. Taking that into account healing itself isn't needed at all. That's just how it is. Healers are a safeguard member, and as such they don't need to be active unless the situation calls for it. Unlike a tank who always needs to do stuff and the dps who are busy with their rotations, healers are focused on making sure that those two roles can continue to perform without hindrance. Healers don't need a rotation, or new buttons, or anything. They're fine. Would be nice to give them something to press other than damage button #1? On paper yes, but on practice no because when healers do need to act they can't have worries about damage or stuff. They don't have much buttons *precisely* to let them focus on what they're supposed to do

@ich3730

Күн бұрын

@@whitesaintatarmaon5766 bro how can this be your take, im genuinly confused. You are actually HAPPY about not playing the game in most fights? You really think having 3+ dps abilities on a hotbar is bad for the role because otherwise they cant focus?

@whitesaintatarmaon5766

Күн бұрын

@@ich3730 it's not being bad for the role It's instead just not what healers are supposed to do Do you go to a fire extinguisher and say "listen since you're not doing anything now you should become an air conditioner"? No, it's there as a safeguard and that's it I heal when I need to, when I don't need to heal I just tag along and that's it; there's not much about it

Is this happening only on certain data centers? I'm from Excal but I'm not seeing any of this, then again I live under a rock.

Hold on a sec. When Xeems asked how are you striking did one of them say they been striking since Shadowbringers but they still play healer on occasion? And did they also say they’ve healed in EW endgame content including criterion and ultimates? Did I get that right? Cause that’s a pretty weak strike…

@raevenent751

4 күн бұрын

Yes... yes you did

About 28 minutes in, just a thought... They could really use some training in how to speak. Rapidfiring a thesis without breathing for several minutes straight doesnt make your argument true. It just disconnects the brain of people trying to listen to your monologue.

@Valkyrie_Veil

4 күн бұрын

The speakers only had 24 hours to prepare for the interview.

@TOAGamer1

4 күн бұрын

​@@Valkyrie_Veilthat may be true however this is something they've been thinking about for a while. The more and more this strike goes on the more I'm sure they aren't working together with team. My biggest complaint with the healer strike is that it was by no means thought out or well planned. Actual strikes don't happen over night. They had a bad "face" for the strike. They had in my eyes a bad timing for strike. It would have been way more effective after the expansion come out. They choose a bad person to do a first interview. I love Xeno but his chat just ain't it for anything you want to be taken seriously. Maybe a Mogtalk or Cole Evyx would have been a better. choice. While I don't agree that healers should be striking, I think having more things to juggle would be a net positive.

@a.e.richardson218

4 күн бұрын

they have no media training its just some people it is what it is

@TheTacetTroubadour

4 күн бұрын

They did their best, they definitely could have done better.

@kenyancarter

3 күн бұрын

Theyre sitting over here talking about a fucking video game. What prep time do you actually need?? ​@Valkyrie_Veil

After reading comments I get why you all drive Xeno crazy. lol

@zugetzuzu

4 күн бұрын

true, 90% of the comments are "The lowest common denominator isn't able to stay alive let alone heal so therefore it is bad to strike and you should accept and go back to healing, which is at best mediocre gameplay when a party member screws up"

@yeetusdeleetus4697

4 күн бұрын

@@zugetzuzu Its the FFXIV community. This playerbase is unironically, no exaggeration, the worst community in all of gaming history at their game. I'm confident and would put real money on it that 90%+ of all players in FFXIV get social anxiety from phone calls and think its elitist to do Savage. The game basically absorbed all of Tumblr after it died and now we just have a bunch of mentally deranged 30 year old women, trans and not, who think that Alisae is their besty irl and that its Transphobic to not like the story.

@samwisegamgee3596

4 күн бұрын

​@@yeetusdeleetus4697lol HUH. You should find new people to hang out with and maybe clear your search engine if thats what you got from this game. Sure, there may be some, but that is not the entire community. This is a very weird take and I get the feeling you use the term woke to describe views that you disagree with. Maybe get your feelings under control and see things for what they are? You very clearly go into most things with a bias. Unfortunate that THAT is what your experience has been when this game is massive and the hundreds and hundreds of communities that do not think this way, some how eluded you. You go on about worse community, and then throw the same toxic garbage out the next sentence. Whats going on?

@yeetusdeleetus4697

4 күн бұрын

@samwisegamgee3596 by worst I meant physically at the game and it's objectively provably true. The rest is true as well and you're just offended and whining because you're one of them. Nice attempt to assign me a political ideology as the cherry on top because you're butt hurt, clearly a well adjusted individual.

@samwisegamgee3596

4 күн бұрын

@@yeetusdeleetus4697 no, I had a problem with downing a mental illness. Thats not cool, and then to use it to try and justify your point? Class act bud. Bravo.

im lvling 4 healers at once only doing roulettes, ty strike. today I found a war in lvl89 dng, not using bloodwhetting not even once time. I guess he was on the strike too

@Klaudiuszeg

4 күн бұрын

You are welcome to play healers for 2 years straight

@camillegrinnaux879

3 күн бұрын

​@Klaudiuszeg I've been playing them for ten years, what's your point

@Klaudiuszeg

3 күн бұрын

@@camillegrinnaux879 Of course and you are not aware of the healer gameplay, how the game is designed and how much complains there was since ShB And i am a kind of france

This is a good case of how important charisma is when trying to get people to support your cause. I generally agree with what these guys were saying, more complexity in healing and a better dps rotation would be nice. Yet I still found myself being opposed to their suggestions because they sound so whiney. I do want more job complexity to help content feel more engaging but man this video was just a bit hard to watch due to the way these people were presenting their points and how they carried themselves. I won't be striking personally because I am not a healer main to begin with, I play it very casually. Also I've seen a lot of JP players saying they like how healers play right now and that if you want to deal damage you should just play a dps. That makes me think Square will not change anything if their home, preferred audience is happy. Still glad Xeems decided to give these guys a platform to talk about their points even if I don't agree with everything they said or how they want to accomplish it. I just hope they get better at public speaking

@lukahcasshe6197

4 күн бұрын

I really appreciate this comment. As a striking healer, it's sound advice that should be leaned into. It couldn't really be helped here as people were clearly pants-shittingly nervous, but as someone who is more accustomed to public speaking if I had thought like you are beforehand I might have been the one on the stage talking instead. Thank you.

@LuminateTheWorld

4 күн бұрын

Adding another layer to healers Imo will only turn people away from healing Even more in harder forms of content that is above dungeons/maps. Lets run through the list of responsibilities for every role as it stands. Tanks- Aggro, Boss positioning, cooldowns, damage healers- Party hp bars, cooldowns, damage dps- Damage, rotation Now the universal addition of mechanics, and personal positioning is also applied to all. Healers already have to do damage, be aware of everyones hp bars, and the damage that's going out so no one dies. On top of boss mechanics/ mob mechanics so they don't take extra damage and of course, do the mechs needed. Now if you add rotation to that, you are making a job that has an extra requirement to do well and you are making it even harder. ALL because of one form of content. Imagine in a savage fight, having to keep an eye on your entire parties hp bard, the mechanics that the boss is doing, AND your rotation all at the same time. This is all speculation btw. It could have the opposite effect and actually increase healers in harder content, but typically when you make something too hard compared to other roles, it pushes people away. There's already a massive Savage fear in the community, with only between 5-10% of the playerbase finishing a tier. Making one role even more complicated and harder by adding another layer of responsibilities to it... Idk, it may just have a negative effect overall. It's a discussion I haven't seen anyone bring up here when talking about healer rotation and making it more like tank/dps. Having to babysit 3-7 other people's hp bars while focusing on mechanics that at times, can get confusing as hell- well that's more then enough to keep me engaged to the point where i'm not bored.

@lukahcasshe6197

4 күн бұрын

@@LuminateTheWorld I think the idea is that by lowering the ceiling to lower the floor like they have, they're trying to draw people in to play healers who realistically are only doing it for fast queues and are DPS mains, people who will never main healer no matter how easy it is, while alienating people who actually do want to heal by oversimplifying it. As a healing main I can confirm that seeing other HP bars is second nature, it's in my peripherals. I can't speak for anyone but myself there, though. But when I know those are full and not enough damage is incoming, I have nothing to do but press broil, and it just doesn't feel good.

@TheSzellin

4 күн бұрын

Healing needs changes, but listening to a bunch nasally weirdos treat it like it's a real social issue makes this whole thing a joke.

@grygaming5519

4 күн бұрын

@@LuminateTheWorld How do I put it, people think they want Log Horizon but in reality they really do not. In other MMO/games healer is often labeled as support. Meaning they Heal/Buff or Heal/damage mitigate, there's no in-between and the damage kits they have are often padding between hitting the buttons between their major role. The issue is if healer in XIV was to fit into those roles it would be unbalanced. Its probably why White Mage since HW has not gotten any major shake up. They cant do it without breaking the class. In Stormblood it wasnt unheard of solo-healing a EX/Savage fight because a very good White Mage could replace the need for a 2nd healer, ShB&EW made it so you could not do that because of role specific attacks. To give what these people want you'd have to remove every mitigation from the DPS and any subsequent buffs they have. That means classes like Dancer and Bard would be gutted to the point of unplayability. The same goes with the Tanks themselves, you would have to double the cooldown timers of their defense skills so Heal/Damage mitigate healers are forced to prioritize tank survival. Now all you're doing is shifting responsibility from the individual to two specific people in the raid. Meaning if the Healer screws up a buff window and fails to properly mitigate the tank its a complete wipe. We are also talking about the same people who cannot even be bothered to hit Esuna on a cleansable doom when it happens. Again its a combination of "this is the first MMO I've played" with a bit of gatekeeping. Right now WoW healers are striking because of the over-spike on damage. Play any other MMO right now or back 20 years in the hayday.... Green DPS builds were all considered meme builds. If you wanted to do content/raid you had to be a Heal-Buffer or a Heal-mitigation. Your buttons were all on throwing out and maintaining party buffs with a Holy spell slung inbetween. Even modern support has healing be on the backburner with those heals being cooldowns with the majority of the class being focused on buff/damage prevention and sub-par DPS. Once again I remember far too often the biggest issue with White Mage was Mana due to every spell being a Truck level of MP guzzling. I remember fighting 200-600 ping in Titan and being told to buy a exitlag subscription. I can do without those days and the only reason I've stopped playing healing is because the group I got in that fit my schedule already had a heal duo.

thank you for being the one streamer not acting a dick about this.

@DeadSpaceWing

4 күн бұрын

Well to be fair, he was the straw that broke the camels back, pulling the stunt at the media tour...

@heavensdooru

4 күн бұрын

@@DeadSpaceWing how is it a stunt? it’s so normal for some people to do dungeons without healers for the past 3 expansions

@idowhatiwant3557

4 күн бұрын

@@DeadSpaceWing I think the straw was broken 2 expansions ago. This was just egg on every ones face.

@siyrean

4 күн бұрын

@@DeadSpaceWing naw he was just having fun at media tour, but it reiterated the issue. I laughed so hard when Alisae was our trust healer for the second dungeon as Red Mage. I was like THEY KNOW. I will say, Dawntrails dungeons have been an improvement though.

@Tyrbris

4 күн бұрын

The strike is dumb so more people should act like dicks about it.

After listening to this whole thing, I personally think the major problem is optics and the assumed reasons. Up until now the reasons I have heard are not around the job being unengaging (which I agree with), but instead about other jobs having more utility. While not indicative of the whole group, I can attest to people telling me I am the problem because I play warrior and that until Bloodwhetting and Equilibrium are removed, they will keep striking. Which to me is stupid because I personally feel warrior should be a tank with a huge health bar, tools to refill that bar, but less tools to reduce damage taken. Taking more damage, but just deciding to "shake it off" as it were. While a bit long winded at times, I think this portrayed a clearer picture of the actual goals. It turned it from something I thought was just coming form ignorant people, to a movement that I think is both important, and bigger than healers, with healers just being the primary voice as the most effected. I'm just sad that I didn't get to hear this sooner since I'm just a lowly youtube frog who doesn't care for watching streams live.

Don't understand. Thought tanks mitigation damage was the point so healers can DPS with everyone.

You know, looking at the comments, I'd think this was gonna be a tense exchange. But listening to the entire thing, this was actually a constructive conversation where Xenos was able to help highlight a lot of points that a lot of players might actually agree on, and it's just a group of players talking about a game they love. Amazing work on this interview!

I just want the healer DPS rotation to not be boring.

@Israphel776

4 күн бұрын

I remember when healers had a rotation. Pressing one button for 27 seconds isn't a rotation.

@kevinfry4662

3 күн бұрын

Same if I had a gil for the amount of times I have nearly fallen asleep cos a war healing himself while I stand there and press one button god forbid I start playing with people I know and trust to play well.

@Chippaization

2 күн бұрын

there is no exciting dps rotation though.

Im still playing healer but its very clear that the team does not dedicate enough time to healer design. The Sage change on early access was ridiculous but at least I got an OGCD which is one of the things ive always said Sage should have.

@metalgearbear9748

4 күн бұрын

Sad that yours it the only competent comment on this. My god, I get if people don't agree or don't jive with the person, but damn this toxic commentary is really needed? There's clearly more SE can do with healers, they admitted it themselves, but everybody wants to be a jokester.

@scottymorgan7868

4 күн бұрын

@@metalgearbear9748 No it's not that we want to be "jokesters" your job is to heal not DPS PERIOD.

@demored3017

4 күн бұрын

@@metalgearbear9748 if you want to dps, choose dps, dont want your cake and eat it too by making healing more harder and complex than its already is...think about the core community instead of your small inner circle of balmungers

@AntCommando

4 күн бұрын

@scottymorgan7868 Then you've missed what square enix is going for design wise you heal when it's necessary, you are supposed to help the party by doing damage when it's not needed, which is why healers have few damage abilities, because you are not required to do a 123 combo, but you are supposed to be using your damage ability. This isn't WoW where your if your not healing all the time, someone is dying.

@ronin1361

4 күн бұрын

It is very clear OP plays with an MMO mouse and forgets that this game is designed for consoles and controller, the problem with the "just add more dps buttons" is WHERE, button bloat is already a problem on controller and it's getting there for ppl who don't play with an MMO mouse and here we have an "armchair job designer" implying that the problem with Healer design is to add more, and some in this thread think they're right, this is how we got the 2 minute META, by listening to ppl who shouldn't be listened to, another example of those you shouldn't listen is the Strike Force.

hilarious time to strike over healers not having anything to do when these dungeons and trials have some serious hands

What's with the bow?

I am simply quitting main healing sort of is because am minda bored of the 1-1-1+refreshing the over time dot. And on that note i tried drk and am in love with it tho i do think the striking is a bit exaggerated but some things about healers definitely could be improved to make it more fun when you are not doing heals

I remember Gordias killing like 8 of my FC's statics and mine which was one of the "lesser" statics cleared it because we just damage and mechanics better despite not getting all the pots and support. Healers cried and complained and they were easily one of the reasons people didn't clear.

1:09:06 When chat is bored and have not figured out why these healers are complaining 💀

yeah thats what people in a healer discord would sound like

so from 6:03 now we know why WARs are near immortal, Xeno has PTSD from 611. All jokes aside, compliments to Xeno for taking the time to have an in-depth discussion, looking at a lot of the inane chat log comments he showed a lot more class than his viewers

@ryskar_

3 күн бұрын

Gonna second this, an actual discussion is always going to be more productive than giving people a hard time. Even if we don't agree with it, hearing other peoples' views is important to growth and understanding. It took me a long time to understand this - in fact, I didn't really internalize and practice it until I got older and mellowed out. It's an important life lesson, one which I wish I had learned earlier.

'get rid of materia' same

@pegeta

3 күн бұрын

yes get rid of crafting materia

As an AST main who has tried some of the other healers, hearing about this strike has been such an interesting experience because a part of me understands where the strike is coming from and it's reasons, but the other part just can't comprehend denying yourself a great game to play because one specific role isn't doing it for them. Blows me away that they can also CHOOSE to play DPS or tank, and enjoy it that way. I haven't found any boredom with healing at all since I picked up AST around the time I started back in 2018.

is a mythic+ type deal from WoW impossible for ffxiv?

For context, im a giga-casual. I've done no savages, ive done like 2 ex trials sync'd in heavensward and have played about 2 years. While I am not striking i kinda get it. Healer can be boring, and all i can think is to attach the norms like "increased healing potency" skills attached as a side effect to an oGCD dps ability? But I dont think it could be assigned to a DoT. but thats my giga-casual take.

A healer strike? I helped the DPS to get through the leveling dungeons, 3 at a time with me as WAR tank.

@lukahcasshe6197

4 күн бұрын

Thank you for helping to illustrate why the healers need to strike. We appreciate you doing your part!

@MrInsiipid

4 күн бұрын

@@lukahcasshe6197 They really don't, but pop off.

@jdaalmgren

4 күн бұрын

You even listen to interview? JFC dude.​@@lukahcasshe6197

@kellevichy

3 күн бұрын

@@lukahcasshe6197 your 'strike' is doing nothing lmfao ; tanks are the ones in need in DR. if you're paying, you're not striking, and a strike means nothing when the two jobs that came out are DPS classes that everyone is wanting to play instead.

@lukahcasshe6197

3 күн бұрын

@@kellevichy It's got people talking about healers. That's what we wanted. Never wanted to impede gameplay for anyone; striking healers are playing other roles because healing is boring and unfun. If people want to pick up healing to fill queues or because they enjoy it, more power to them. So, it's... kind of been a resounding success, actually. I'm also not subbed right now, although that is partially for a lack of desire to play and partially out of a lack of time. So... your condescension is noted, but about as pointless as you think the strike is. I hope you find enjoyment in laughing at us, though!

I get having a preferred class type. But it feels like halfway in the video the 'identity' argument loses all credit for the strike.

I get the impression that Scholar and Sage primarily lead to green dps burn out. They perform a large amount of healing passively from the fairy auto-heal and Kardia. This results in more focus on performing as a DPS since your healing is basically automatic. You don't even have to refresh a buff like regen or Aspected Benefic. So with a party that performs mechanics flawlessly, resulting in the lowest amount of necessary extra healing possible, you really are mostly just a Broil and Dosis machine gun. I basically only bring Scholar or Sage to lower content for this exact reason. Unless things go way sideways, I'm basically brain deading it for 20 minutes. Scholar is especially bad because the enkindle animation, VFX, and SFX for the fairy commands are basically all the same. Same for all the Seraph command animations, VFX, and SFX. Speaking as VFX mod creator, I'd like to at least see that change. The reason this is bad is because you basically see the same thing over and over when so much of their kit is bound to the fairy itself. So you just watch your character perform the same animation, vfx, sfx for several of their cooldowns even though the fairy performs different animations, vfx, and sfx. So even the healing aspect becomes a bit monotonous. Further, speaking as a VFX mod creator, I'd like to see them get rid of action.pap, which is a single animation file that holds dozens of animations for casting and magic skills. These animations are reused all over a job, where the same 2 or 3 animations will be performed by 7 or 8 abilities for that job. I'd like to see it discarded for the treatment that jobs like DRK, GNB, DRG, and most other melee jobs get, where each ability has its own unique animation. Even if they just left the casts as is, and made each action after the cast finishes unique. It would go a long way towards making the jobs feel more exciting. (It would also make modding those animations a lot easier, but that's not the point) But, in addition to all this, if we're going to make healers ACTUALLY green dps, their DPS kits need to be a bit more exciting. How we do that without making them perform any complex rotation, IDK. Maybe magic combos?

Healers as a job/mindset want to feel needed and take care of the party, so when a new expansion comes out and we ALREADY ADJUST to doing more DPS in all content that can cause frustration in role. So the feeling is give me more dps combos then if you don't want to make fights harder in normal content, its one thing if its a savage raid/hard content without healer. In normal dungeons why even bother.

The person talking about doing dungeons with trusts versus not doing them doesn’t seem to understand how the trusts work. They say if you want an easy dungeon do it with trusts and if you want more of a challenge do it with people and the content should be more difficult with people. The content can’t be different for trusts versus not trusts. The content is the content and trusts need to be able to do it so the content has to be dialed into how the trusts work. Which is why some dungeon encounters in older dungeons were changed to make it trust friendly

@AntCommando

4 күн бұрын

Also trusts break if you try to force them to do wall to wall pulls, and also stop doing abilities to do mechanics

@weirdboy7699

4 күн бұрын

@@AntCommando Can't speak to the other expacs but in DT i ran the 95 - 100 dungeons with trust because DPS queues. The NPCs don't want to pull wall to wall but if you run ahead and grab the second pack the tank will grab them. Tank NPC didnt die once doing this BTW.

@AntCommando

4 күн бұрын

@weirdboy7699 Oh, I know, it's been that way since they introduced the trust system, but more to what the person in the interview was saying that, trust are face role, trusts are more hand holding, they get people who aren't comfortable playing with others the ability to clear the content, and in worst case scenario like bad dps queues you can clear a trust dungeon sometimes faster than it is to wait in queue, and as a player dps you can do more dmg with your AoE and higher single target output, that it isn't that bad, but SEs comment about wanting dungeons to be more challenging with players it is because you will have tanks that pull wall to wall regardless of weather the healer is ready for that type of thing or not, players that fail mechanics and die or take unnecessary damage, etc.

@LupusArcavius

4 күн бұрын

@@AntCommando when I was leveling Viper I decided to level trusts too and forced them to do big pulls by running ahead and using my ranged attack to pull stuff and run back. There were a couple times when if the next pack was too far it would cause some of the trusts to just teleport behind me which caused some issues such as tank not coming with or mobs de-aggroing causing me to have run back and grab them anyway. Wall to wall pulls is possible but problematic with trusts

@AntCommando

4 күн бұрын

@@LupusArcavius For sure, me and a friend really pushed them to see what we could get away with, I managed to get Thancred killed once because idk what Alphinaud was doing, but he died, what was nice was Thancred didnt take long to respawn while I sprinted away.

Olivia… sure.

they should just a melee healer aka a cleric that works in the same way as a sage but all healing is in melee range,

I'll give up healing on my DPS and tanks when healers give up damage. 4 healers can clear any dungeon in the game, and that completely invalidates both tanks and dps.

@nampadaek

2 күн бұрын

I've done dungeons with 3 dps and 1 healer. Who needs tanks?

@wackantheduck6883

2 күн бұрын

Difference being that 3dps 1 tank is BETTER than the alternative. It isn't some weird innefficient shitpost run it's what's the strongest / best because healers are fundamentally dead weight in a party

@taigenraine

Күн бұрын

@wackantheduck6883 You can't pull to the wall with 3dps 1 tank, you have to go 1 pack at a time. It goes way faster with the healer.

After actually sitting down and listening to them, I don't think they deserve the amount of omegaluls and cringe comments that they get. It does take a certain amount of confidence in ones stance to even go on stream and do this interview, especially after seeing chats reaction to their strike as a whole and still do it with a straight face and I think that alone is noteworthy even if you think their desires and methods are unrealistic or petty. I do agree with a surprising amount of their views in terms of that casual and hardcore content have almost gotten formulatic in that as long as your party is relatively geared and awake, healing becomes boring in its downtime and theres not much room between the skill floor and ceiling beyond squeezing one more glare in between ogcds. Not so much the ideas they want implimented to the game as a whole like opt in hard mode dungeons etc, if anything I personally feel more like this is a problem of job design rather than content, but I can admit this whole thing is a joint problem from the two. Idk, overall kudos to them for doing the interview knowing they'll get clowned on and making their views more clear.

@Quix32

3 күн бұрын

An actually intelligent take, from the FFXIV community no less. Color me impressed

Most fun I had healing in 8 years was blind progging T7 Savage on SGE with my static, after we took off a bunch of accessories to try to counteract stat/potency inflation. Despite only having like 4-5 healing actions, it was the hardest and most engaging encounter to heal I've ever experienced, including any ultimate. Having only two DPS buttons was fine, because I was spending most of my time actually thinking about healing. Triage was a huge deal and I was constantly making decisions about whether I could afford to delay some tank heal for 2.5 seconds to spot heal a DPS, and I had to carefully ration MP to end the fight at 10%. I was still mashing Dosis a lot, but it was no longer mindless. There's nothing else in the game like it anymore. But that sort of triage-based healing gameplay can absolutely work with FFXIV's job design if they would just design encounters for it. If not, they need to increase DPS complexity. Right now we just have the worst of both worlds and it sucks.

Elder Scrolls online, has a "Veteran" difficulty for max level players, making dungeons harder and more of a challenge, could do something like that with a steady increase into difficulty... but personally Do i find healer boring, yes.. do i feel like its fully on the healer? No... i mean in dungeons i find tanks boring, and i even find a lot of dps boring.. its not fully the healers kit.. is the level of challenge present in the content, and in the end that is the point of that content.. I have never done savage raids, or extremes, but i have done Unreals and they were fun for me.

@grygaming5519

3 күн бұрын

Well the content is the way it is, because people complained about spending 30-40 minutes in a dungeon. Pharos is often used as an example because it shows how ruthless the devs can be if they chose to. The issue also becomes that back in ARR&HW you NEVER ran expert solo, you partied up because the incompetence in Duty finder was high...from tanks that couldnt mit to healers that couldnt find the Esuna button. The difficulty was part dungeon part human experience. So instead of frustrating the players, the devs chose to balance out the human experience part. Sure the drawback is simple enough that the twitch goldfish could probably run a dungeon without issues. At the same time I dont have to deal with Jonny Freecure killing me in an expert.

@rjhick1

3 күн бұрын

I love unreal fights, I just wish thhey added more fights

@vashe9

Күн бұрын

The problem is that there is no middle core content (à la wow M+). It's either super easy or hard... Not everyone wants to spend time watching a 15 minutes to remember the 40 mechanics of a single fight... were every mechanic done wrong means death

"I hope things change in 8.0" At least touch the content in 7.0 before saying nothing has changed, because DT doesnt play around so far and i love it.

i dont really enjoy healing in ff14, i did alot of healing in other mmos and usually most of the times healers actually HEAL and cast HEALS. beeing almost forced to do just the minimum healing thats required feels weird, but thats kinda whats expected of you. id be fine if you would SOMETIMES dps in a fight, maybe the boss dosnt really do anyhting for 10sec so u dps but constantly dpsing as a healer and 90%only heal stuff thats not hardcarsts feels just wrong. atm im playing a disc priest in cata, i can dps too but thats like 1/5 of a real dps or some shit and my dps spells also heal a bit but if ppl need heals i have to HARDCAST aoe heals, im kinda missing that part in ff14, ff14 is way too much focussed on dps checks there should be way more stuff that u have to heal most mechanics is like "ok we do ONE heal here to top the raid" .. wow.. or like just the simple thing that everyone has crazy self healing when ur not infight for a few sec, whole party can be at 20% after a pull and untill the next one everyone is 100% again and the healer didnt even do anything.

Xeno: Would you agree that the healer role is efficient? Healer: *gives a literal graduating thesis presentation on the fluctuating state of healing across expansions* Xeno: So you would agree that healers are efficient

@lukahcasshe6197

4 күн бұрын

Chatters in audience: lol he talk dumb healer strike dumb Yeah, it's cringe, but we kind of knew it'd happen when we came to Xeno's house to speak. Mad respect for the big bald himself. Not so much for his audience.

@InvictusRed1911

4 күн бұрын

Honestly I'm glad to be a YT Frog. If it takes more than 25 characters or isn't some Shit Lord copy pasta they can bracket with emojis, you won't find good discourse in the Twitch chat. Also it moves plenty fast.

That high MP damage spell pitch is actually a really elegant solution. It's totally opt in and it can be used as much as the healer is personally comfortable with. Also I feel like current chat rules versus how chat was in HW would prevent a lot of the toxicity that low damage healers got back then. I actually think it's pretty solid for helping out healers that like how things are now and healers that want to just ride on the razor's edge like a lot of us back in HW did at the same time. I'd love to see it in action to see how it'd pan out.

I miss cleric stance. I know I'm in the minority here, but I thought it brought an added layer of strategy to pulls and boss fights. It made us sort of like blm where we really had to know the fights to get the most of it.

well tbh those striking haven't made a notable difference from my pov

Most wholesome streamer, least wholesome fan base 😢

@17Master

3 күн бұрын

Xeno's Twitch chat sure is something special.

@BARNABYthePENGUIN

3 күн бұрын

Its funny sometimes but most times it feels like a bunch of children who need attention

27:00, drink some water, take a breather. Feels like you're pushing your words out desperately with a dry throat.

@lukahcasshe6197

4 күн бұрын

Bro was nervous. Of the three healers, only one even streams. That's a big audience to talk to.

@lockofmetal8894

4 күн бұрын

@@lukahcasshe6197 Ye, just sayin.

@lukahcasshe6197

4 күн бұрын

@@lockofmetal8894 Fair enough- thank you for saying so.

I still get insta que pops as tank. If I didn't read people whining online, I wouldn't even have felt there was a strike at all. Bet 90% of these names did their dungeons as healers when the expansion hit.

@zerohikari1145

Күн бұрын

they probably have thier healer main at 100

There are literally dozens of them!

Yo this was actually a interesting discussion! I was expecting this to be a meme tbh but they have some good ideas

Did this whole “healer strike” thing suddenly make 1000% more sense to anyone else the second they opened their mouths and you heard their voices? Was like an “oooooh okay, I get it now” moment for me.

@zerohikari1145

Күн бұрын

ya for sure.

Good interview, you were respectful and gave them time to speak. I disagree with the strike, but think this was well done. Btw, the 2 complex/2 simple healers idea is akin to one I originated ("4 healers model") back then. The OF people (some ones striking now) bitched me out on it for 2 years until I just stopped posting there, but now they're proposing it so they can get something...not realizing that was the wisdom of me suggesting it. And it CAN work...if they match the class fantasy/identity. For example, WAR is simple braindead unga bunga...but people are cool with that because the class fantasy is unga bunga. So no one's really alienated by it. WHM being unga bunga simple straightforward makes sense as that's what its class fantasy has always been (and its identity for all of FFXIV has been that it's been the simpler of the healers), they just need to get rid of the pure/barrier split (give WHM Protect, Shell, and Stoneskin/Stoneskin II to deal with those situations) and get rid of the LB penalty for having two of the same Job. Do that and WHM could be the simple healer and everything work just fine, imo. And I say this as a person that likes simple and healing and plays SCH but would be fine migrating back to WHM if this is the way things shook out. Though I'm fine keeping all the healers as-is, as I enjoy them better now anyway, but I'd be okay with making some more complex as long as AT LEAST ONE stays simple and you can do 8 mans with 2x of that Job without penalty. If those conditions are met, I think it can work either way.

1:40:03 is He talking about Ultimates? Bc this is what he describes... A gaunlet of bosses...

i have been on and off healing since arr2.4 and as someone who very actively heals and does damage while doing class specific things the only notes i have are whm: damn my group is too good i have to waste Lily's to charge the blood lily new astro when its tank picto picto me: *stuffing 5 cards into tanks mouth* sage: CRIT EUKRASIAN DIAGNOSIS WOOOOOO scholar: CRIT ADLO EMERGENCY TACTICS WOOOOO you make your own fun, and you also make your own misery according to these 3 "healers"

@zugetzuzu

4 күн бұрын

This seems like a very "I'm a casual healer" vibe, not saying that you are. Their critiques are very valid, especially with how in savage it's mind numbingly boring because of the 100% scripted way fights work. If healers had a more complex DPS rotation or had to GCD heal more, like they said, or had some other kind of management then people wouldn't complain about it. Also let me ask you this. How come every single high level healer feels the exact same way regarding healing being to easy and dumbed down. The only real fun you get as a healer is in prog, which is some of the most fun you can have in FFXIV imo, but once it's on farm it's the most boring shit imaginable. Imagine instead of just having Broil 4 you actually had more damage buttons? That'd be pretty awesome and more fun imo. The only fun on farm is min-maxing how many Energy drains you can get away with currently

@kidhavii

4 күн бұрын

Honestly, I think you should just play caster then. I was bad at it, but playing BLM was FUN. Big damage numbers, optimizing fights to maximize my Fire IV casts, dancing to mech w/ polyglot. I never played it hard-core, but casually it was a blast, especially in dungeons.

@Shadow.Darkraven

3 күн бұрын

i play every class and every role and if my play style was a food pyramid it'd be a base of melee dps, healer second tier, any kind of ranged DPS third and then tanks, primarily warrior at the top. I do agree that healers could use at least 2 combos one for aoe and one single target, even if they go for the combined button style of viper with it I'd be ok with breaking up the monotony that is malefic/glare/broil/mages. sage feels pretty good as an attacking healer but still could use a true combo and EVERY HEALING CLASS SHOULD HAVE AOE DOT I'm tired of tabbing through on the others that aren't sage, bring back aero 3, miasma and give astro like conflagrate which is just AOE combustion .

I've been enjoying the AST gameplay, but I've had faster ques on my paladin so I don't think the healer strike is that impactful

And I thought Asmon's chat was bad. 😅

I considered quitting when they gutted DRK... I just switched to dps since my raid group said dps was so hard... it wasn't, lol.

The so called "healer strike" isn't noticeable all on EU. Besides some of the expert dungeons have been quite challenging, not in the sense that they're hard, but there are for sure moments that potentially could be considered intense for someone who's more casual. I've seen a couple of wipes/close calls.

@tessajalloh3914

4 күн бұрын

it's not noticeable anywhere. i've been seeing tons of healers running 'round, doing MSQ, fates, and queued for content. If kotaku thought this was news, they should read the forum some time, it's a gold mine of non-stories they could milk.

@kellevichy

3 күн бұрын

Not noticeable in JP either ; it's a joke lulz.

@thewhitefox3097

3 күн бұрын

its only 400 people out of millions... it was never going anywhere

My favorite part about the strike is that its not noticable ingame at all, at least on NA. At the end of the day this "healer strike" is just a very very small number of upset and loud people who thinks that the majority healers agree with them when they obviously dont.

@yeetusdeleetus4697

4 күн бұрын

Says the 0 parsing 0 game knowledge limsa dweller who logs off the millisecond the story is over. The vast majority of healers striking are Ultimate Raiders. The vast majority of people opposing it don't know what a 2 minute is. Stay in your place

@omegaxtrigun

4 күн бұрын

⁠​⁠@@yeetusdeleetus4697Boy it sure is convenient that none of that matters to what they were talking about and you missed the point entirely. Weird flex but okay bro. Nobody gives a shit about this strike. It has had virtually zero affect on the game. You aren’t the arbiter of who’s opinion matters here. Nobody cares about your parses. If anyone has no place to talk and should go back to their corner of the basement, it’s you kid.

@kellevichy

3 күн бұрын

@@yeetusdeleetus4697 no they aren't lmao; they're casuals who won't step foot into hard content. also parsing is a joke; bet you pay to get sandbagged if you think shiny numbers makes you good at the game. it makes you decent ( at best ) at 1 fight you've done a thousand times - oooh, so impressive ( not ). stay in your place at the childrens table.

@yeetusdeleetus4697

3 күн бұрын

@@kellevichy "Everyone better than me must be cheating or paying money!" The words of a failure adult who has never accomplished anything and hides away in an online game. I think its pretty funny that everyone scared of accomplishments in games are also seemingly scared of them irl. Go get a job, go to the gym, make something of yourself and stop being whatever this half-human im responding to is.

@Chippaization

2 күн бұрын

@@yeetusdeleetus4697 you are completely seething no one cares about you healers LOOOOOLLL

Is casual based on skill level or time spent

normally i play tank, but decided to play healer for DT, i love DPSing as a healer, feels like there is more purpose than me just standing there half afk brain like in other games.

"RDM have addle and magic barrier which is a lot compared to what used to be there" Pretty sure addle has been around since red mage was first introduced. The recast timer has been reduced significantly though. It used to be a 120 second cd, then changed to 90 seconds during stormblood, then 60 seconds in shadowbringers, then down to 30 seconds, and they kept adding more and more potency reduction. Feint got pretty much the same round of buffs. Magick Barrier was a big buff, but it's similar to other ranged jobs kits, it just brought RDM up to parity with the rest is all. Before Magick Barrier they were significantly weaker in terms of that added utility. Giving ranged DPS a rotation of mits is interesting, it creates some extra complexity slightly that's fun, similar to how melee dps had it all along.

@zugetzuzu

4 күн бұрын

In stormblood addle only affected int and mind and you had to give up on other cross class abilities such as Diversion (Enmity reduction), Lucid Dreaming, Swift cast, Surecast, Apocatastasis (20% magic reduction on a single person), Mana shift and IIRC Red Mages wanted Swift, Lucid Diversion Manashift and depending on the fight Erase, Surecast, Apocatastasis or Addle (in that order). That meant that Red mages more often than not did not bring damage reduction except for very specific fights if your premades asked you to (and back then healing was also harder, so it was more okay with other jobs having access to these damage reduction abilities and spells because, you know, you actually had to heal much more and had a lot of min max potential with cleric stance and MP management. That's why every healer misses Miasma 2 (and some even cleric stance + MP management) and why healers were so hyped about Eukrasian Dyskrasia stacking with Eukrasian Dosis during the media tour)

@grygaming5519

3 күн бұрын

@@zugetzuzu So in reality the healer strike is nothing more than Scholars Green DPS types complaining that they cant stay 90% in CS forcing their cohealer to virtually soloheal the content. I had a Scholar who did exactly that in Alexander, even when I asked for help for shields, they cared more about their Dot Management over throwing a Sacred Soil down. Got to a point where they were asked to leave, got an astro and we were clearing content.

They had some good points on fight design having more frequent instances of damage to allow using heals, even if its just your instants. But everything other than that was kind of hilariously bad. They clearly never did pharos when it was new. Thats why the bird is the only one they had trouble with, because its the only one that can wipe you now with the bird enrage. "Ive been striking since shadowbringers" is also telling. Having to gimp himself to do the fights is just really cringe, its easy to do with crafted gear! Uh huh. Then talks about stormblood. Nothing made me take him less seriously.

@grygaming5519

3 күн бұрын

Yea that person who said they gimp themselves. He goes on the blacklist and reported for legitimate griefing.

@thewhitefox3097

3 күн бұрын

yeah striking for years is just changing mains, he is just a dancer main now