If you have to insure it, MOT it and have a CBT, you may as well have an electric moped because 24mph, a 25 mile range and £3500 isn't worth it compared to the likes of the electric Yamaha NEO or Piaggio 1 which are cheaper, are faster and have more range. The amount of space it takes up is the only benefit. Let's hope the Government sort out the laws so we can ride electric scooters legally like bicycles.

@keithoneill6273

Ай бұрын

And their much safer than a small-wheeled scooter!

@colinwiseman

Ай бұрын

The NEO has a 24 miles range on a single battery on eco mod with max speed of 25 mph... Dual battery is better, but makes it more expensive. I had to buy a second hand NiU at £750 to get the range and speed I wanted. This scooter in the video has particular uses e.g. you live in a block of flats or don't have parking. You can take that inside.

@matthewspry4217

Ай бұрын

I will just take my MOPED inside my HOUSE 😅😅😅😅

@rinnin

Ай бұрын

Anyone know how much these additional costs might add up to per year?

@frostybe3r

Ай бұрын

Or just get a 125cc with 70mph, ABS, proper suspension and 250 mile range…

You forgot some very important information. Range? Charge time? What it does at battery 0% ? Weight? - Can you carry it? Optional seat? Legal to carry 2 people?

@AdamHougham

Ай бұрын

With a full motorcycle licence you can take a passenger - so long as your insurance has that added. Not sure what it would do for the suspension though!

@george-ev1dq

Ай бұрын

@@AdamHougham No you can not, not type approved to carry passengers.

@AdamHougham

Ай бұрын

@@george-ev1dq 🤔 thanks for correction, I hadn't realised that would be a factor 👍

The big problem is going into a shop, and coming out to find a space, where your scooter was parked. Once these become common, they will be stolen, stripped, and on the spare parts shelf before you get home in your taxi. Thieves just wouldn't be able to resist.

@Maynards_so_blue

Ай бұрын

Ebikes are better as it's easier to lock it with a bike lock and can lock in bike shelter etc

@finpark7785

29 күн бұрын

@@Maynards_so_blue why wouldn't you be able to lock that in a bike shelter?

@alexmousley7213

16 күн бұрын

These should get GPS trackers as standard, it's just too hard to keep safe.

@elephantintheroom5678

6 күн бұрын

@@alexmousley7213 That's what I think about all eBikes, too. They also need built in alarms, like cars do. We need peace of mind.

Didn't once mention that it's illegal to ride that in bike lanes, modal filters or anywhere a motorbike wouldn't be allowed... you'd think that would come up

@thebrowns5337

Ай бұрын

Especially as if you are caught it means points on your driving licence which mean insurance premium hikes for all your vehicles. It's a really serious issue they chose to ignore, but then scooter boys choose to ignore any rules of the road, sadly.

@flitsies

Ай бұрын

​@@thebrowns5337 they have no choice.

@Captck

Ай бұрын

...and on a footpath which he seems to be there. Came here to say exactly the same. They've tried to fix a problem and created a load of others!!

@cybergornstartrooper2157

Ай бұрын

It’s illegal anyway

@thebrowns5337

Ай бұрын

​@@flitsies one choice is to use illegal scooters or not. Another is to use legal scooters in a legal manner. There is choice, and it should'nt be that hard to grasp that.

What are the legalities of riding it on cycle paths/in cycle lanes? It's all well and good registering it as a motorbike, but the beauty of a scooter is that it gives you the freedom of a bicycle. If you are governed by the rules of a motorbike and have a massive number plate on the back, you may as well just have a motorbike (at that price). The electric revolution is being stunted. The technology exists to compete with tiny ice cars and motorbikes with the same safety and at affordable costs, but ICE always seems to have an advantage. For example, electric microcars are too slow for UK motorways and dual carriageways. They need to travel at 70mph. A video addressing this and explaining the challenges, costs and regulations that e-manufacturers have to producing what we actually need would be a good idea. In my opinion, what the EV industry in the UK needs is a microcar with enough safety features to travel at 70mph and the freedom to use all UK roads. It needs a range of at least 100miles. Aptera are producing a safe EV that can do 1000 miles on one charge, and travel at motorway speeds. It's too wide for our roads but (if they can do that) achieving what we need seems very achievable. Rant rant, rant.

@elephantintheroom5678

6 күн бұрын

That's not a rant, it's perfectly rational, considering the climate emergency the world is in. Banning all ICE's is the rational thing to do, at this point.

Doesnt the reg plate mean you now can't ride it on a cycle path?

@Narses3

Ай бұрын

Not directly, but yeah if it needs a reg plate for the road, its not legal on footpaths

@SwiftyScootersTV

Ай бұрын

Yes, the UK need to permit the 15.5mph model the G500 for use in the cycle lane. Customer feedback is that the GT500 is a great option for where there are no decent cycle lanes.

@mjp0815

Ай бұрын

Yes that is true, road only.

@Wilem35

Ай бұрын

@@SwiftyScootersTV Laws can be changed when they make sense. Anything other cars should be encouraged.

@Mk1Laser

Ай бұрын

Old people don't need a CBT if you have a full car licence from before 2001😂. Still don't want to spend 3.5k

I can see this as being a very high value theft item. How do you lock it to anything? A modern joy rider's dream machine.

@murraymadness4674

Ай бұрын

Just like electric bikes but even more valuable.

@kadmow

Ай бұрын

- the handlebars definitely need to fold down for stowage...

@Nickbaldeagle02

Ай бұрын

You're joking. The scrotes are all riding these high powered e bikes that do anything up to 60.

@robertnichols6911

Ай бұрын

With the number of ev fires, most employers wouldn't allow you to bring this inside, nor could you take this on a train, bus, etc. Locking it up would be neigh impossible & would force insurance rates up for everyone

I asked a simple question on their Facebook advert about what it would offer over an electric moped at half the price and higher top speed ( Btw they say the top speed is 24mph, not 28). I received an abusive reply accusing me of attacking and insulting people and their choices. Given their attitude I wouldn’t touch one of their products with a barge pole. One other thing is that to get insurance for one of these you will need to do a CBT even if you have moped entitlement on your driving licence (something you don’t need with an electric or petrol moped). I’m sorry I don’t buy the “it’s safer than a moped” statement. The rear light is very close to the ground making it more difficult for drivers to see and most mopeds will have superior suspension and brakes. The height of a normal height person standing up on this should not be much different to someone seated on a moped. Also the Keeway EZ mini can be had for £1299+otr and can carry 2 people and has a 1000w rear hub motor.

@markifi

Ай бұрын

could you please paste their reply here as well? different people find different things abusive and it'd be good to be able to read it ourselves.

@sergentcolon1

Ай бұрын

@@markifisorry it was on a fb ad and I’m not going to spend hours trying to find it. All I asked was what this scooter offered over an electric moped at half the price which was faster with greater range. Their reply was a bit hysterical accusing me of attacking peoples freedom of choice, and demeaning anyone who chose one and how I should respect peoples lifestyle choices, frankly it was ridiculous.

I think the demo highlights what a silly idea it is rather than how good it is. You can get a sit down traditional style electric moped for £1000 less and with the same legal requirements.

@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe

28 күн бұрын

For £500 less than this NIU sell the GT Evo which does nearly 70mph and comes with dual 72v batteries.

It's cool and all that, but I'm struggling to see how the £3500 price is justified. I feel the same way about electric bikes.

@grabannon

Ай бұрын

Put a 3500 used bike against it. No contest.

@kadmow

Ай бұрын

- it isn't, there you have it.. ha ha ha.. It is really just a statement (for those with all the toys already).

@StepDub

Ай бұрын

Especially when we are constantly told that the price of lithium batteries has fallen so dramatically. The cost of my ebike battery 12 years ago was 300 euros. Today it has dropped to around 280. Not great, even allowing for inflation.

@badabing8884

Ай бұрын

A really decent ebike is worth it Imo. For 3.5k I would expect a mid drive motor, hydraulic brakes with all the other bells and whistles. If you work you could buy it via the cycle to work scheme which you can’t with an escooter.

@lapisredux

Ай бұрын

cool ?!.....it's about as cool as rishi sunak.

Anyone who wants to go more than about 10 mph on a small-wheeled scooter wants their brain testing!

@kjeksklaus7944

Ай бұрын

people don't understand speed. It's not max out on everything, it's there is an appropriate speed for the vehicle and that is just how it is. e scooter, e bike, to moped to 125cc to 500cc, to 800cc, to litre bikes, all have different appropriate speeds.

@ravelogiceventvideos6440

Ай бұрын

30mph on 10 inch wheels is a blast !! It's all down to the rider and knowing how to ride the equipment correctly and safely

@boatman222345

Ай бұрын

I have a Swifty Zero kick scooter and have gone 30 mph on it on steep hills many times. You need to pay attention but it is very stable and handles speed very well as long as you know what you are doing.

@mz-hd5xm

25 күн бұрын

Iv been 65mph on my e scooter lol

The LFP battery and 16" wheels address the main issues with E-scooters. Great job Swifty.

@SwiftyScootersTV

Ай бұрын

thank you

@antoniopalmero4063

Ай бұрын

Seriously ,,,,,,,, it’s how much ?😮

@muckle8

Ай бұрын

Would it make it illegal to make a saddle? Why stand when you could sit?

As somebody that has ridden mopeds for 20+ years this thing i much more dangerous in traffic. All standing mopeds are much less stable than sitting one's because of the higher center of mass and correlated reasons

@keithoneill6273

Ай бұрын

I can't believe Fully Charged are promoting them. Bonkers!

@chargeheadsuk

Ай бұрын

I have an electric BSA Aerial 3 😉

@lawrencejob

Ай бұрын

Less stable isn't inherently bad. Fighter jets are the least stable of all the modes of transport but they're good at what they do. It's possible that being able to shift your weight really dynamically at city speeds is better than a moped for things like U-turns, collision avoiding manoeuvres, correcting balance.

@user-qq7td8vr8u

Ай бұрын

By design the battery pack (which is heavy) is the lowest part of the vehicle. The Tier rental scooters are surprisingly stable, maybe these are the same, I’d still prefer an e-bike.

@savagegtalks5912

Ай бұрын

@@user-qq7td8vr8u you can see the standing platform is below the center of the wheels, making it stable by design, YES. Still, to MOT the thing and unable to ride pathways, no deal.

15mph is fast enough for a stand up scooter, a sit down electric moped is needed for up to 28mph and above.

@freedomofmotion

Ай бұрын

I've seen 60 mph stand up scooters they look so unstable 😂

@ziggarillo

Ай бұрын

@@freedomofmotion The small wheels are a real problem on badly maintained UK roads. A speed wobble,(tank slapper) is easily induced as well, and of course instantly disastrous.

@mz-hd5xm

25 күн бұрын

​​@@freedomofmotion I have an electric scooter that goes 65mph plus and I live in Birmingham which has some of the worst roads. Not once has my scooter wobbled or felt unstable. When your paying a premium for these machines the good companies make sure the scooters are engineered to the highest standards. That being said though, they are a more risky form of transport than your standard ebike or moped.

Used an electric scooter in Barcelona - had a seat.. much needed on this I think

@TheErmerm999

Ай бұрын

not at all the wide foot plate incourages you to bend your knees to manage the ride quality making it feel smooth and controllable even when on really rough terrain. Makes a huge difference when hitting a pothole out of nowhere, we are mostly have better stability on our feet quick reaction speeds where as on a seat its easier to fall off it a little and lose control.

@lawrencejob

Ай бұрын

at that point isn't an electric moped better?

Did you have any trouble getting insurance for it? Lots of posts on the pedelec forums about people trying to register bikes that break the 15.5 mph speed limit and finding that no UK insurance company is prepared to offer a policy.

I ran down some of those roads yesterday. Lovely to see the more "grungy" bits of Bristol featured again :)

These things are a bloody menace.

@reggiebuffat

Ай бұрын

Legal in France and I’m here for it.

@northeastcorals

Ай бұрын

The idiots who ride them are the menace & then spoil it for responsible people as usual.

Insurance for 2-wheeled vehicles in cities is a really big consideration and not easy in my experience. I've shared my challenges & learnings below. I live in London and have a passion for (e)-motorcycles, owning 4 of them plus 2 e-bikes, and 1 e-scooter. They include: - 2017 BMW C Evolution Long Range (Electric) - 2019 BMW R1250 GSA Adventure - 2007 Suzuki GSX-R 750 (track use only so no insurance for public roads) - 1996 Suzuki DR650 - 2017 Mate e-bike - 2019 Urban Arrow - 2019 Xiaomi 365 (technically illegal on public roads) Sadly, as a city 'motorcycle' owner (which SwiftyGo would fall under), I have first hand experience of how hard it is to insure a 'motorcycle' these days. My electric BMW C Evolution is quite hard to insure as many underwriters don't have them on their books, and it's really hard to get a multi-bike policy if you have quite different bikes. As an example, the BMW C Evolution needs to be insured separately from my BMW GS Adventure as there are hardly any underwriterers that take both. This makes it more expensive to insure as you can't easily use your no-claims-bonus on a 2nd bike and you have to start from scratch. Also, 'bike' insurance has gone through the roof in general the last year. Insuring a 'bike' that is not parked in a brick garage is increasingly difficult, you will have to build up no-claims discount for this bike as it's unlikely that existing motorcycle insurance companies have this electric scooter on their books. A few providers will allow you to 'mirror' your no-claims of another bike but you will not be able to earn no-claims bonus then meaning higher future premiums potentially. If you do end up involved in an accident, your insurance (and no claims bonus if not protected) will be affected not just for the electric bike, but also any other motorcycles or cars you own. I agree with some of the other comments here that whilst it feels like a great product, the reality of dealing with insurance, MOT, tax, and the relatively slow speed means you're probably better off getting yourself a decent electric bicycle that's legal to 15mph or getting a bigger 125cc equivalent electric scooter. I hope that in time, government legislation around e-scooters and e-bikes will ensure greater choice in the insurance market. Would love to see the Everything Electric Show do a dedicated series on insurance for electric cars, electric motorcycles, and electric e-bikes to give advice and highlight some of the short-comings in the market.

I will stick with my naturally aspirated bicycle as it has a seat and all time spent cycling comes for free since the HIIT physical activity extends my life.

@soundslave

Ай бұрын

There it is, the "just ride a bike" brigade. You're never going to be the target market for any motorised transport.

@pdsnpsnldlqnop3330

Ай бұрын

@@soundslave We evolved to use our hearts and muscles, not mobility scooters. If you cycle then that comes for free, since you get extra lifespan from doing so. There are no short cuts. Hence the bike is always quicker, even if it does not appear that way at the time. If I need to go out of town then I get the train, which is motorised.

@soundslave

Ай бұрын

@@pdsnpsnldlqnop3330 most of us don't live within cycle distance of anything. My job is a 30 minute drive. The shop is a 25 minute drive. Only soft Londoners think bikes are an answer.

@Alessandro---

Ай бұрын

Naturally aspirated bicycle ... classic 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@hasan_z

Ай бұрын

some of us want to die faster, therefore motorised vehicles, especially more dangerous ones, are the answer

Certified LFP batteries are needed and should then eventually be allowed on public transport so that joined up journeys are the norm. For that we need more compact e-scooters. For now you'd need to smuggle them in a bag or risk leaving them at the station and walking at the other end.

Good to see you putting the new motorbike licence to good use Jack ;)

"it's butteryyyy!" THANKS JACK

@voltsemobility5468

Ай бұрын

"its swift!" THANKS SWIFTY

£3500 ! what a f@cking joke

@Wilem35

Ай бұрын

Yes you are.

@SlayerEddyTV

Ай бұрын

If your going to get a CBT, insurance and more you might as well as get an electric moped from Ducati which is £600 cheaper than this thing.

@rhiannonstudios

Ай бұрын

@@Wilem35 mug

@rhiannonstudios

Ай бұрын

@@SlayerEddyTV I’m not buying any electric crap, I’m getting a brand new Royal Enfield for just over 3 grand 👍🏻

@SlayerEddyTV

Ай бұрын

@@rhiannonstudios lol then why are you watching, reading, and writing stuff on the Everything Electric Show.

I’ve ridden this thing and it’s awesome. Consider trying it before judging it! I’ve been riding mopeds and motorcycles for +15 years and found this thing to feel super stable, and frankly really fun to ride. I’d prefer it to a regular moped for a commute across London, it might sound weird but standing up is just nicer on a busy street. I also like being able to step off, push around an obstacle and step back on super easy vs a moped which is heavy and awkward to push.

In the land of tea and royalty's sway, Where history's tales weave the modern day, A new sensation takes to the street, Quietly humming, with nimble feet, This is the UK's first electric scooter, they say. Through bustling cities and countryside lanes, It glides with ease, breaking no chains, A whisper of progress in the air, As eco-friendly wheels gracefully fare, A symbol of innovation that reigns. No rumbling engine, no fumes in its wake, Just the gentle hum of technology's take, On transportation's ever-evolving scene, Where sustainability and efficiency convene, In this electric scooter's roadworthy stake. From London's streets to the Scottish glens, It ventures forth, where adventure begins, Embraced by commuters, young and old, A testament to stories yet untold, Innovating the way, rewriting the trends. So let us salute this marvel anew, The UK's first, breaking through, Electric dreams now reality's chore, As it zips and zooms, forevermore, This road-legal scooter, bold and true.

We used to have scooters in the 1970's - with long wheel base and "big" pneumatic tyres like these scooters.

I haven’t seen one of these new Swifty electric scooters yet but I have been riding one of their Swifty Zero kick scooters for over a year (858 miles thus far) and I love it. As someone who was involved in various kinds of motor racing as a kid (go karts, motorcycles, sports cars) I am pretty familiar with what it takes to build high quality, dialed in, vehicles and Swifty has gone the extra mile with all their scooters. Built of high quality materials and designed by people who know what they are doing Swifty scooters are simply the best!

Yes 20 mph should not need registration, but that which needs to be registered it would make more sense to get something like the wolf king gt or gtr both can hit 65ph and would validate the costs of insurance, registration and mots.

I really like the directional lights/blinkers, headlights and brake lights on the scooter. I think all bicycles should be required to have something similar because hand/arm signals suck and they are totally useless in low light and the dark.

£3,500? Seriously? Best of luck with that guys...........

@speakatron5634

11 күн бұрын

Not gonna sell like hot cakes, are they 😂

What size bag will it go in ? And what do I need to know about taking it on the train ?

I really wish you guys would throw in a metric conversion. Now I have to look up 28mph into Kph and realise... wait that's insane. I want one!!! Take my money, TAKE MY MONEY !!!

@kadmow

Ай бұрын

poor little modern kid - 45kph, there, now you know for ever

Compulsory use of a crash helmet killed the BMW C1, it's going to kill this too.

@markifi

Ай бұрын

it's 20 years old but still looks like something that would come out this year

I think you missed a few things. What are the specs of the motor, What are the specs of the battery, How long it takes to charge, What modes it have, Is there any customization on the software or upgrade packages available, How easy is to register, how easy is to insure, How much it will cost per year, Does it need MOT, Will they support spare parts, How much it weights, Materials used, Total weight.

Huge problem with this EV scoters at least here in Slovenia is that there is no proper regulation so people ride them on the sidewalks doing 60 km/h or even more and are real danger for kids and other pedestrians.

However, you do need to take into account where your center of gravity is now. In relation to the very small lever that is somewhere from the wheel center to the asfalt, your center of gravity is way up there. Hitting a curb or deep enough pothole dead on will get the momentum going and launch the rider without any counterforce…

It's been nearly 50yrs since I did my motorcycle test. But a younger friend did their CBT a few years back. And apparently it's only valid for 2yrs? 🤯 So if anyone wants one of these electric scooter things that are classified as a moped. They need to know they'll be required to pay approximately £200 every two years to resit a CBT test.

@tivvy-xf4kz

Ай бұрын

I think he was meaning car drivers getting a cbt. The law has changed BUT if you have a car licence obtained after 2001 you only need to do a cbt and that basically gives you a FULL moped licence as the pre 2001 licence holders got automatically with the car licence. This entitles you to carry a passenger and you don't need L plates. The idea is to make sure car drivers have some basic training before venturing out on 2 wheels. No other test is required unless you want to get something larger and then all the normal provisional licence L plates etc come in. If you do have a car licence and do the cbt to get a moped licence that is it you now have a FULL MOPED licence so no need for another CBT at 2 yrs.

@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe

28 күн бұрын

Yup 2 years only, bit of a joke to be honest. I also believe anybody who does a CBT should be given a permanent 50cc entitlement not just full license holders. These silly rules are why you see souped up electric bicycles everywhere.

How easy is it is recharge? Where can you recharge it?

Is anyone else seriously impressed by the fact that this guy did the whole program while riding on the scooter!??

In Queensland, Australia, the road tax (registration + compulsory third party insurance) would be the same as any other motorbike, electric car, or ICE car up to 3 cylinders - which makes it hard to justify against a small second hand EV, like a Nissan Leaf.

Shame you didn't include a link saying where from, full spec's etc. And you didn't say how far it will go!

@riggedforepic6293

Ай бұрын

40 km according to the website

@davidantonucci1161

Ай бұрын

Real world more like 12 miles range

Thanks Jack great review!

We need a test drive/review in the rain!

How much will it cost to insure?

@grabannon

Ай бұрын

Therein lies the reason they are now allowed. Chance to monetize it.

@ONYX-365

Ай бұрын

Plus they'll be liable for pay-per-mile if that comes into play 🤑 (Hope it doesn't)

@george-ev1dq

Ай бұрын

Not sure about this scooter but I was interested in an electric motorcycle which had pretty much the same performance of a 100cc ICE, the game changer was the insurance cost which was just over £1400, needless to say I never bought the bike.

@plodderexup

Ай бұрын

​@@george-ev1dqI had the same thought on a Seat Mo, which was discounted to £2500 unused pre-reg. The insurance quote was 800 (age 49, Stockport). My NCD lapsed many years ago, but when I was riding classic litre bikes 15 years ago, I was only paying about 150. So I passed as well.

Nice review, thanks.

This thing looks like a death trap

Your obviously in the UK , the dereliction is soooooo real 😢

@thebrowns5337

Ай бұрын

14 years of right wing corruption

@thebrowns5337

Ай бұрын

14 years of cuts, despite tax rises and a national debt higher than it's been for over 60 years.

@petersimms4982

Ай бұрын

Yep! The wealthy British have £30 trillion stashed in off shore British tax havens! The legal criminality is ludicrous 😮

Very expensive for such a short range, although it'd probably be OK around town. And at least it has a reg number so if it causes an accident it can be traced. Can it be ridden in a bike lane?

Saw an article on this a while ago and was wondering when a review would be made

Big question is can you put a deliveroo delivery bag on the back?

@thebrowns5337

Ай бұрын

Ah, you want slaves to stand up, not sit, while delivering your food. Very good Sir. That'll teach them.

I'm more interested in what the cameraman is sitting on 🤣

@richardcope8102

Ай бұрын

Probably in a drone ! He ! He !

Lots of sensible and well-researched information here but I'm going to ignore the actual product and the people whining about it to simply say that it's a pleasure and a relief to watch a professional presenter who speaks with a natural delivery and has full control of his material without reading a prompter word for word. So many KZread amateur reviewers would do well take some inspiration from this work...it's not an easy job folks!

With the LFP battery, does that mean it can be taken on public transport? It would be great to see an EUC with the necessary modifications to make it road legal and registerable

i think the LARGER you make the front wheel on these things, the safer they'll feel. Put a huge front-wheel with integrated motor that can go proper motorbike speeds, maybe even integrated batteries into that wheel (tho i do worry that IN-WHEEL batteries may not survive the constant vibration very well).

it is cool - however, you can get an electric moped for about 2k - one that you can actually sit on. If you need to have the licence and stuff anyway you might as well go for that.

I think this form factor has a great future. Something in between a bike and an e-scooter. Bigger wheels, proper suspension, still compact and light, safe and fun.

The only way that an escooter should be ridden, with insurance, training, numberplates, lights and everything. Yep, happy with this- so long as it needs to get an MOT also. brakes, charging, waterproofing, tyres all need to be legal for this to work. Well done for pointing it out, and I hope that the early adopters have a great time with it. I defo wouldnt want to carry that into my house, looks like it weights about 40kg and it will be interesting to deal with if it gets a puncture. Imaginative pricing, (but it wont put off the "must haves"), my car cost less and it does 90mph and I can drive it to Scotland and back. Still, good niche product. Well done, Swifty, (what do they call the fans of their scooters?). Not as healthy as walking though, I do a lot of that to keep fit.

@AAaa-wu3el

Ай бұрын

In every generation in every country on Earth governments are trying to put numberplates on bicycles, force ppl to pay money to insurers ie to government and so on. I do not want "a good niche product", I want to use my mass produced £250 electric scooter. It's good enough for me.

@megapangolin1093

Ай бұрын

@@AAaa-wu3el I dont want an uninsured £250 escooter ramming into me by a drink or drug addled 70kg teen on the pavement, ruining my health for life potentially and they fleeing the scene. One or two riders, (who dont want to get fit) may be safe, but they will not be the majority.

@AAaa-wu3el

Ай бұрын

@@megapangolin1093 How many times you were hit by cyclist? It's millions of them, if not tens of millions. And all without insurances. Let's ban them because they can "ram" you potentially.

@megapangolin1093

Ай бұрын

@@AAaa-wu3el Cycles arent ridden on pavements. I want a safe space away from fast moving vehicles. There may be a lot of cyclists, but few near me, so I keep away from them by circumstance. To ride a bike you have to be reasonably coordinated, ie not under the influence, not so on an escooter.

@AAaa-wu3el

Ай бұрын

@@megapangolin1093 Cyclists use pavements and everything else to ride. It's millions of them, all uninsured. No trouble at all with them, they do not "ram" you. By the way, to use scooter you mast be much more coordinated and alert that using bicycle. It's quite the opposite of you beliefs. So no drunks or narcs on scooters - they can do no more than first 5-10 meters on it.

I once tried to get a 'boosted' Sinclair C5 road legal and had a good chat with the DVLA. They were very helpful, but said the main issue they saw was with the tyres. They said the tyres had to be 'speed rated' and bicycle tyres aren't officially speed-rated for any speed! I'm surprised this scooter doesn't have the same issue.

@simonh9290

Ай бұрын

E-Bike tyres do have a speed rating if I remember correctly. I wasn't aware of the reason until I read your comment

@iandavidson99

Ай бұрын

@@simonh9290 Interesting thanks! I'll re-investigate this! 😊

On recent visit to Norway I was impressed by the number of electric scooters for public use scattered around city streets. It appeared that a user would approach one of the scooters use a smartphone to activate and then off you go.

@nicknelson9450

Ай бұрын

These are all over the world nowadays...nothing particularly unique about the Norwegian deployment and usage pattern, is there?

England takes a giant step BACKWARD.

I like this but i feel its a really niche scooter. If i was going to spend 3500 on a scoot i would get one of the bigger faster sit down ones. Not being able to legally take this down bike paths is a deal breaker for me as well. I can see a small market for people who want short trips and have somewhere inside to lock it up but no garage, and want something a bit faster and are rich enough to not mind paying for insurance and dont mind wearing a helmet. Its just such a small market. But thank you for pushing the market forward swifty, and good luck.

Very nice. Ground clearance maybe a touch low?

Needs a seat option too. I saw a guy the other day that had attached a wooden stool to his scooter - was quite amusing but did the job!

@user-jr2vy2el6f

Ай бұрын

I ride with a big gaming chair with hydraulic lift lever bolted to a 2000w e scooter

@ahaveland

Ай бұрын

@@user-jr2vy2el6f That would be fun to see!

£3.5k ? I’ll pass and maybe get myself a talaria XXX instead , and get some change too .

Shouldn't you have L-plates too if riding it with a CBT?

Needs more rake. Like the metalic light blue one...

Looking drip on that scooter , especially rocking the tn’s

@elbee909

Ай бұрын

Yeah, got to love the TNs

If you have to have a CBT for it as its a "motorbike" dont you need to also display L plates? same as a 125 Motorbike if you do not have a full license?

@adventtrooper

Ай бұрын

Depends on when you got your license. If before 2001, you can ride up to 50cc moped on a car license without needing to display L-plates or take a CBT. Also remember the CBT needs renewing every 2 years if you don't get a full license.

@gavjlewis

Ай бұрын

Yes you do need to display "L" plates. I'm surprised they don't offer an upstand to display it above the numberplate as there is basically nowhere to display it.

@thebrowns5337

Ай бұрын

Good point. But then they also failled to mention you can ONLY use it where you can legally ride a moped and you will get points on your driving licence if you flout those rules. And that has knock on implications. Shady world these scooters.

@HALLish-jl5mo

Ай бұрын

Not if it’s under 2500 watts (the 50cc equivalent). A CBT is usually described as requiring L plates and only being valid for 2 years, but that’s only if you want a vehicle with more than 2500 watts of power. Below that it doesn’t expire and you don’t need L plates.

@MishkaOliver

Ай бұрын

@@HALLish-jl5mo Ah interesting thought it was all CBT = L plates as I see 50cc mopeds with L's too

I thought it was just in Bristol where you can ride the because their a pilot zone.

As a vlog? you did quite well but it's up against the likes of a folding Brompton bike. They fold smaller so may be taken on buses, trains and fit in cars better and can use bike lanes and carry more. Granted not quite as fast but doesn't need registering, insurance and all the rest.

Once you mentioned needing insurance, I switched off. That wasn't what people were waiting for.

Nice!!! So what's the range....

As a stand on scooter style moped, you can't ride this in cycle lanes. £3.5K is a bit overpriced for this; you can pick up a newly registered (imported 2 years ago) _electric_ 125 equivalent A1 light motorcycle with a 5.6 KWh battery and a top speed of 58 mph for £2.5 or less, if you don't mind putting up with SEAT's shockingly poor after sales service.

I really doubt the basic battery chemistry deserves much of the blame for battery fires in cheap battery powered micro mobility products. But sure, LFP can be very robust, if correctly implemented.

Defeats the purpose of having an e-scooter which you could fold and carry onto a train. That one is bigger than a fold up bicycle and probably weighs a lot more too. The purpose of e-scooter is to satisfy the last mile of your journey. Government should stop messing about and allow regular e-scooters of sub 15mph on roads and bicycle lanes. I've frequently travelled at much faster than that on a normal bicycle so any argument about hurting someone if you crash into them, they need to consider a bicycle travelling at 20mph is legal and likely do more damage.

uphill performance ?

@paul5683

Ай бұрын

It's England, they don't have any hills. 😅

interesting review - about time govnt got their act together on micro-mobility regulations. For me I would probably feel safer on a full e-motorbike like a Maeving but would be interested in test driving the GT500.

it might be a car replacement, but I don't know anyone stupid enough (I hope) to drop £3500 on this, holy cow

@ONYX-365

Ай бұрын

Don't think you'll get any passengers or your weekly shop on there.

Also, an L1e class vehicle cannot legally be ridden on a cycle/footpath. It must be used on the road. So at 0:20, you are being rather misleading by showing it being ridden on what looks like a cycleway/footpath. I'm all for personal e-transport (I use a DIY ebike to commute 13 km each way), but please get it right! :)

Either you're too tall or the handlebar stem is too short, but you will not comfortably ride this thing for more than 5 miles.

@magnuslarsson337

Ай бұрын

He’s tall!

@Alessandro---

Ай бұрын

I can imagine @JackScarlett hitting low branches ...

If you're going to go to the hassle of doing your CBT, fill out the V5, check the MOT, insure it and all that other jazz with a motor vehicle, you might as well spend a little more and get a proper moped with two seats, built-in locking, and a storage box. The cost and bureaucracy defeats the point of having something ultra light and compact, and the vast majority will continue riding non road legal scooters without number plates because the fuzz aren't going to stop them.

Thanks

I like this chap but this felt a bit advert-y . It may have been an oversight but range and weight weren’t mentioned. First time Ive not fully trusted one of their reviews.

The best use case for ths that I can see is Royal Mail: carrying light small items and having to quickly hop on or off the vehicle while remaining in close proximity to it. For everything else, a bicycle is more comfortable, safer, more stable, and cheaper!

@markifi

Ай бұрын

cargo capacity is tiny and the centre stand doesn't look like it's up to the task. the stand is by far the most important thing in a mail carrier bike, it gets used literally a thousand times a week

By the time that Rishi reacts it be Keir. Nice addition to the choice, but its a whole new ball game with the registration requirements and all that comes with that.

In Australia there are now lots of private e-scooters ‘presumably’ with a 15.5mph limit but the reality is they go 50+km/h. The issue at that speed is none have indicators!

@kadmow

Ай бұрын

- and they are hilariously all illegal on public roads AND foot/cyclepaths... Hire scooters exempt - because, you know, corruption.

@ONYX-365

Ай бұрын

No-one would indicate even if they did have 'em 😅

Great to see more vehicles and more choice in the market for people. Its so frustrating that the government have just been dragging their feet with legislation.

@tubularG

Ай бұрын

Agreed. It takes a long time to change legislation in this country and they've gone to the trouble of carrying out trials to gather data. But it doesn't have to take that long. Other countries have legalised e mobility in really short time scales

But you are not riding it on a road! If you claim it's a motorbike then it's illegal to ride it on a footpath/cycle path which is what you are doing!

I would advise anyone before buying anything electric eg existing e mopeds to check insurance costs first. That goes for cars and even the Citroen Ami which in the UK you WILL need a full car licence to get insurance despite the fact it's classed as a moped in France etc. Yes the rules also say here that it can be driven on a full moped licence but the insurance companies think otherwise and will decline insurance. Just try getting insurance first.

A £250-ish electric scooter is a way forward for common ppl, not that rip-off thing. By the way, it's a most environmentally friendly mean of electrical energy driven transport. Why it's almost always not mentioned? In fact stupid government officials banned super efficient super low emission super eco-friendly thing. The real cost of riding electrical scooter is about 1 pens per 1 mile in today's electricity price in UK you use to charge your scooter - so efficient and eco-friendly e-scooter is.

Great test ride Jack. I hope this company does really well. Sticking their neck out on the government making the right descision is either very clever or stupid. Lets hope they allow these type of machines and also up the allowable speed for all electric bikes to 20mph. Come on guys! I can cruise at 20 mph on my road bike no problem.

Mr Loony whats the range?

I think 28mph is too much for a stand-on scooter. Especially for tall people like Jack.

What a ludicrous concept £3500 , plus getting insurance, CBT, Helmet, warm waterproof clothing. We live in the UK. What would the total cost be. 5 or 6 grand?

They were legal in Edwardian times. Over a century ago. Not tax etc.

Anybody who can’t see where this is going is mad, what they’re doing is there in moving private and personal transport that was cheap and efficient, and making you register, hence the numberplate. This will mean that a future date they can tax you instead of the cars they are going to get rid of.

A harmonised 20mph assist limit is needed for e scooters and e-bikes. Geo limits for pedestrianised areas in towns. Plates is over the top however mandating a helmet to NTA - 8776 would be a sensible step (they are rated to 28mph.

I bought an electric scooter that was road legal years ago (I have the registration docs to prove it), but i found it impossible to insure. Maybe the insurance market has caught up since then but in the end I gave up and finally got rid of the scooter.

@nicknelson9450

Ай бұрын

Don't get me wrong, I've had trouble getting a vehicle insured too, and I do not approve of the power and influence they wield, but you have to understand that insurance companies are profit-driven capitalist enterprises, so risk-averse and aiming to insure mainstream scenarios. The individual insuree's personal situation is as important as the vehicle for them to assess risk: are you sure the latter couldn't have played a major part in their reluctance to insure you?

@piersfilmlid9032

Ай бұрын

@@nicknelson9450 Quite sure mate. over 10 years ncb and no convictions.

Some of us old gits don't need a CBT to ride this or a 50 c.c scooter.