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How bad is public charging at 95p/kWh? Well on my Zoe, which gets about 3.8mi/kWh, it's equivalent to a car getting 27mpg. 3.8mi=95p, 4.546L=1gal. £1.49/L, x 4.546 => £6.77/gal, ÷ £0.95/kWh=> 7.13kWh x 3.8mi = equivalent to a 27mpg car. Horrendous!
EV is already dying. Countries like India will never go EV only. They can hardly afford to feed themselves let alone build an EV power grid. Half of India still relies on 2 stroke petrol engines just to create electricity for their homes. The car manufacturers no longer believe in EV, it’s costing them billions in lost revenue. The only people benefiting from the EV push is the Chinese leaders getting more and more money and more and more powerful in the world. The EV push is fuelling Chinese dominance on the world stage. A very real danger to all of the western world.
A quote for my house, I already have a hot water store, is £13706.05 - £7500 grant so cost £6206.05 so this video is misleading!
In the UK the heat pump has to be 30 metres away from the neighbours house or you have to switch it off at like pm due to the noise generated, they will all need to be southern facing for maximum effiency and you need to keep it 1 metre away from a wall so you don't have high head pressure on most streets in the UK sticking to these simple rules will not be possible.
I will stick with my new Gas boiler thanks …
Excellent - wholly agree with Quentin. Just one point, EVs do need an MOT certificate after 3 years. My EV is 3 years old and I was just charged £54.85 for an MOT inspection - it passed but it's annoying because some of the current test is not applicable - emissions etc. but the price is the same!
If it had a belt drive with combined internal gear's,it would be absolutely perfect,but does it really get up a hill?
Unfortunately Robert likes hydrogen
I have an MG4 x-power. The software is garbage, full of annoyances. The ‘safety’ features like lane assist and collision avoidance are downright dangerous. And have to be switched off every time I drive it. But for all that I love it. The drive is fun and the performance is spectacular. The range is enough for me to work all over the country and it is amazingly cheap to run. I’ll never go back to combustion.
I have been looking forward to being able to get an EV for years since I was lucky enough to have a ride in an original Tesla Roadster almost 16 years ago. I finally got an MG4 and after the first few months of driving it, it’s so brilliant. Great fun to drive, no problems charging on long distance road trips, plenty of range, quiet and comfortable for an affordable price. Can’t recommend it enough!
I will stick to my used petrol fiesta which is cheaper and more environmentally friendly that a new EV (including manufacturing). I like EVs tho and I will change to one when I have a house with a driveway.
Have you every considered bringing on one of these career EV Deniers to talk at EE? Maybe Geoff buys cars or MacMaster? That would be some hilarious 💩 I'd love to see. 😂
if you have a wall box( or invest in one) and a parking space directly by your home its a excellent time to enter the EV movement as many many drivers have been washing it around their brain" shall i ,should i" (cleaner air and low electric home charge costs) . Only niggle might be if you need to plug in while out and about. SUPPLY is now reversing as in expanding model base with bigger supply and underdemand ,which makes this a great time to bag a bargain. so to speak. Nil road tax but only up to 2025 and huge home charge difference per miles v diesel or ice engine fuel costs (SAY 5p v 19p per mile) . You will have to pay a little more vehicle insurance on the ev compared to your traditional engines as the HPower , faster acceleration ( my favorite) and accident repair costs are considered higher.
"Has been shown to be economically feasible" lol
The "oil crisis" in 1976 wasn't an oil crisis, because we didn't run out of oil, nor were we ever near doing so. So why still call it a crisis, if it was proven to not be so? As many other "things", this was yet another fake news story produced by big media.
Are electric cars exempt from the MOT as suggested in the presentation.
No, they still need an MOT after three years and then annually. So some mis-information there.
Moving parts in an EV are the electrical connections & the electronics. Accepting that this does not affect its reliability in a quality build.
I have to call out the analogy with the thermal efficiency of ICE engines. EVs need electrical energy from somewhere & electricity generation has a very low thermal efficiency too. Massive fail here. Just makes you look like the fossil fuel industry (okay, not quite that bad).
I own a 2011 nissan leaf. I looked up the price of a brake master cylinder and was amazed it is $3000/ for the part
Octopus themselves say we can save up to a total of £18 a month on heating if you rip your house to bits, upgrade all pipewotk and install massive radiators and install a hot water cylinder costing thousands. No thanks.
Good luck to all owners in April 25 when EVs over £40k (lloads of them) start paying £600 a year tax. The govt was never going to let anyone save cash...its not the British way.
Fire brigades have no plan how to tackle these fires and let them burn out. Fire codes need updated everywhere EVs are parked to manage the risk to the public if one catches fire
Also, if the cells are damaged you can get a vapour cloud release that can silenrly fill a space with an explosive mixrure of gas. You have ro stand up wind of an ev fire even more so to avoid the horrendous off gassing.
EVs have burned out two entire transport ships and sunk one of them. Google Felicity Ace. They create their own oxygen and burn 10 times hotter than petrol cars. They release cobalt and if inhaled danage your dna causing defects in children. The water used (3000 gallons) is contaminated and needs processing. They also reignite anywhere up to a month later with no warning.
If evs were so amazing you would not need incentives to make people buy them. I like evs i just dont want one
Thank you Robert, Quentin. On the theme of sharing experience with EVs: we swapped our Oz overnight electric tariff to one that costs $0.08/kWh. Our EV gets 8km/kWh. That makes our driving cost one cent per kilometer. We've had our EV for 3 years. So far maintenance has been the cost of an air filter (can't find the receipt, but was less than $50).
I picked up my Skoda Enyaq April 30th, so I’ve had it for a month. I’m on Octopus Agile and have a Zappi charger, and just received my first electricity bill since getting the car. I have charged three times and it has cost me 3.5p, 5.5p and a whopping 9.8p per kW each time. I didn’t stand next to my car whilst it charged, but first time got on with some gardening, second time I was having a barbecue and the third time I was fast asleep.
Good stuff, but the reason that only 16% of EV car owners don't charge at home, is because people like me (about a third of people) won't buy an EV because we *can't* charge at home (e.g. in my flats, where the landlord refuses to fit chargers) and we can't use public chargers effectively, because there are no slow chargers within walking distance, and no fast chargers within 10 miles of my house, and what fast chargers there are cost a fortune to use on an everyday basis (so you are right about needing to get what you call "the pavement tax" down). This needs fixing. And the Little Book of EV myths is a fantastic resource, which I have used many times.
Using Tesla chargers we have made frictionless 1600 mile trips through the midwestern U.S. as far back as 2019 !
The 200K Model S battery doesn't lose between 8 and 10% efficiency. It loses between 8 and 10% capacity (the charge and discharge efficiency hasn't changed - the capacity has changed.)
I loved my I-miev. It could have been better for my personal needs (more cargo oriented). It could have had a bigger battery, but that would have made it $$$ and to expensive for me. I'd still be driving it if not for being rammed in a drive thru. It still drove fine after that, but was "totaled" due to plastic parts from Japan not available during covid.
2020 Zoe. 4 years in and SOH at service is 98.8% . The battery seems ok to me 👍
Love your show Robert. Great stuff.
The Everything Electrric show North was amazing and so much information. Love the updated Little Book of EV Myths.
Well done Quentin and Robert. Ubiquitous and affordable energy will liberate people and opportunities. Eventually I hope it will empower ‘cultured meat’ to eradicate the current meat product industry and ‘vertical farming’ as its 250 times more efficient than traditional agriculture and will save billions of gallons of water and cease the use of chemicals in our fruit and vegetables.
I have had my ZS EV for just over a year now and we're so happy with EVs that we now have Zoe ZE50 and we're total EV family
Hydropower: UK 2%, Sweden 12.5% Nuclear: UK 15%, Sweden 28% Biofuels and waste: UK 7.8%, Sweden 28.9% Solar & Wind: UK 29%, Sweden 7.3% Coal, oil & Gas: UK 36%, Sweden 23.2% Sweden has vastly more Hydropower, Nuclear and biofuels/waste in its energy mix… Nuclear is good for baseload, & hydro is good for baseload and peak supply. Without ample storage, solar and wind are only any good when the wind blows or the sun shines!! I’m not anti-solar or wind… far from it, I have solar system on my house, however until we get the storage issue cracked, we are always going to need something else to cover times when Solar and wind aren’t producing. My little 4Kw/h peak solar system over the course of a year harvests more electrical energy than I currently use, and with a few more panels (I have still have plenty of S-SW facing roof space available) should cover running a heat pump as well, however 90% of the energy produced by the system is produced at a time of year when I don’t need it, and any storage system that could store that amount of energy to get me though winter is currently impractical. Plus… We are now in the ludicrous situation (due to lack-of-storage) where Octopus/UK power networks are telling customers in the southeast and east-Anglia, on windy days to use as much electricity as they want for free as it costs the grid money to shut-down wind turbines, and it’s cheaper for them to just to give it away. This excess energy should be stored for use when required, not just given away… do something with it, build more pumped storage hydro systems, covert it to green Hydrogen to burn at peak times instead of natural gas or convert into green methanol - I know these aren’t efficient but the energy is for all intense purposes free. Just do something useful with this excess power!!
Non-Tesla EV servicing is still relatively expensive, because the standard dealerships don't want to lose the service model as it accounts for most of their profits. (e.g. the service plan for my MG4 was £399 for 3 years servicing and first MOT. But the actual work content of EV servicing is minimal, yet you need to keep up servicing to maintain the warranty). However as time goes on I see this paradigm shifting, especially as the market density of BEVs heads towards majority. Re. charging ... the biggest issue for BEV adoption uptake is destination charging / on-street charging. This is what's needed for those without driveways to to be comfortable with getting a BEV.
I would love a Heat pump, but there are four things which will stop me for now: 1, Even with the subsidies from the government they still cost a fortune. 2, Finding space in my house for all the extra bits needed. 3, Having a large brick of metal outside the house, no matter how good looking it is. 4, In the UK getting a quality engineer to fit it with come back on them if it doesn't work.
What about the huge depreciation of a new car to its second had value typically dropping by up to 50%in its first year , and put this cost into the cost of ownership calculator and what do you get Ev cars cost more to run……….
EV’s are new and they are adjusting from first mover prices to more mature pricing. It’ll all stabilise soon.
Mostly not true. I drove a 57 Ranchero for 25 years, it was the best car I ever had, I am 90 now, no EVs for me!
I am sure your children will thank you for pollution and climate change. Feel proud.
I have been enjoyed, so thank you for delivering.
Forget about VAT just wait until they put Fuel Tax on public charging to get back the tax they will be losing from petrol/diesel, so I'm glad I drive a BEV at the moment.
I think when extolling the very real virtues of the modern battery EV there's a danger of going just half a step too far. I promote the EV experience as a hugely positive step for daily driving and to support the energy transition but we do need to keep it real otherwise someone will pick us up for (inadvertently) misrepresenting the whole picture. E.g. There were a couple of comments about MOTs... as if EVs don't need them ... in fact they get the same checks at the same time intervals as every other car and the only difference is that there is no need for the emissions element of the MOT. Anyone who drives an EV on regularly salted roads will know that the good aspect of low brake wear on EVs (because of regenerative braking) must be balanced against the potential for increased surface corrosion of discs due to low usage so regular brake servicing is recommended otherwise you can have partially seized brake pads in the caliper ... ask me how I know! And oil ... well EVs do (of course) have oil for motors and final drive and differential and to assist with cooling ... my Tesla has a standard spin-on oil filter and an oil pump, and though it's a rare occurrence, I had an oil leak (fixed under warranty)! Of course in normal circumstances there is no requirement to regularly change oil and filters so it does not normally feature in any servicing requirement. EVs have very much fewer mechanical parts in the drive train but that is not to say that they don't have many other components that ICE cars don't have that can, if you're unlucky, be points of failure. [Would I "go back to ICE" ... no!]
Just to confirm all electric cars after three years old require an M.O.T. Certificate to be legal on UK roads.
Obviously.
I've got a heat pump installed in my property, it came with it when it was built. I'm still not sure if it actually does anything? We're a 3 bed semi, only 2 of us yet our consumption is around 450kWh a month on average? Not much different at all compared to the last house where we had a standard combi boiler.
I’m afraid Quentin is speaking from the luxurious position of living in the sticks with a driveway. He has to consider city-dwellers with no drive or garage. We need plentiful and affordable street charging, unfortunately at present even if a working charge point can be found it costs far too much. I don’t suppose he’ll read this, but Quentin has to spend a moment thinking about less fortunate EV owners.
Quentin i lobbying for removing the extra VAT that people without home charging have to pay, and to provide battery health reports to used EV buyers. Seems to me like he not only thinking of less fortunate EV owners, but spending time and effort to help.
Robert, please stop bagging Musk, I get that he's not your sort of chap. you're just listening to the noise. Look at the main menu, the transition to a renewable future. Musk has enabled that.
He is enabling Trump to get into power and the disastrous consequences of that on the climate and environment. Musk is a part of the problem.
One glaring fact is the battery will fail and you will need to replace it like lithium power tool batteries or you just keep leasing cars which isn't very good for the planet. So called Robert the green warrior leases his car. EV batteries need to be cheaper to replace and more NON dealership garages need to be able to fix them. Electric cars are NOT the future because they are the present. Reducing air travel would have a better impact on co2 because the environment was a lot better when Covid hit.
Many many glaring errors in that comment. The first, massive, mountainous error is the fantasy about battery replacement. We recently saw a Tesla Model S in Australia that's used as a limosine, it had to have a battery replaced . . . . afer 666,000 km, or 414, 247 miles. There are other examples of electric cars that have travelled well over 500,000 miles on 1 battery. The battery will outlast the car. The leased cars I drive are not thrown away when my lease comes to an end. They are sold as 2nd had cars. All air transport, passenger and frieght make up 4% of global CO2. I repeat. 4% You have been told by fossil fuel lobbyisst that anyone who drives an electric car and flies twice a year is a massive, puke inducing hypocrite. We should all fly less, I have cut my flying per year by around 90% to 10 years ago, and I only ever fly for work, never ever for a holiday. Meat production produces 34% of global CO2. So stop eating meat or cut down to once a week. Ground transport makes up 40% of global CO2. I wonder why? I am anything but a green warrior, I just know, from long experience with both ICE and electric cars, that electric ones are much, much better, nicer to drive, cheaper to run and last LONGER
@@bobbyllewellyn Every ev battery degrades. Why do iphone batteries not last as long ? Why do you lease one then ????
@@RB-lt8kt try understanding that EV’s have high quality battery chemistry and high quality battery management systems. Hugely different from phones.
The Goverment could with a sweep of a pen remove the blindingly stupid energy generation pricing lottery system where the last 30min bid each day is always a gas power plant and that sets the price for the whole day effectively making renewable pricing equal to Gas.
Maybe getting more solar, wind, and batteries installed so they can underbid all of the gas power plants is a better solution?