This Is NOT 50/50

The easiest fair games depend on equal, binary outcomes like flipping a coin or drawing a playing card that can only be either red or black. If a game depends on both players choosing an equally-probable outcome, how can one player have a massive advantage over the other?
Welcome to the Humble-Nishiyama Randomness Game, a variant of Walter Penney’s classic demonstration of the power of non-transitivity in simple games. In a straightforward transitive situation, A beats B and B beats C -- which means A beats C, too. But if A beats B, B beats C, and C beats A… we’ve gone non-transitive just like Rock, Paper, Scissors. By jumping into the non-transitive game loop at the most advantageous point, Player 2 can become an overwhelming favorite every time. It looks like dumb luck, but it’s really just smart math.
** SOURCES **
“Penney Ante: Counterintuitive Probabilities in Coin Tossing,” by RS Nickerson: www.math.unl.edu/~sdunbar1/Pro...
“Humble-Nishiyama Randomness Game - A New Variation on Penney's Coin Game,” by Steve Humble and Yutaka Nishiyama: citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/...
"Probability of a tossed coin landing on edge,” by Daniel B. Murray and Scott W. Teare: journals.aps.org/pre/abstract...
"Antibiotic-mediated antagonism leads to a bacterial game of rock-paper-scissors in vivo,” by Benjamin C. Kirkup & Margaret A. Riley: www.nature.com/articles/natur...
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  • @Vsauce2
    @Vsauce24 жыл бұрын

    I can't sell the meme cards but I hope you enjoy Woven Math! Wrap your body in sweet, sweet knowledge. represent.com/store/vsauce2

  • @cynn855

    @cynn855

    4 жыл бұрын

    s e l l m e m e c a r d s n o w

  • @edub12385

    @edub12385

    4 жыл бұрын

    I never thought I would desire a deck of memes, but this now plagues me.

  • @pandoradoggle

    @pandoradoggle

    4 жыл бұрын

    Could you give away a set of meme cards for free with every purchase of two or three Woven Math shirts?

  • @alice11307

    @alice11307

    4 жыл бұрын

    I am sad

  • @Maxio68

    @Maxio68

    4 жыл бұрын

    Can I have a PDF of every card in the deck? I need to know the memes

  • @EastPort10
    @EastPort104 жыл бұрын

    My opponent: chooses the Sequence RRR Me: Haha cards go BRR

  • @toktopuss

    @toktopuss

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thats a good meme right there

  • @mario64thane

    @mario64thane

    3 жыл бұрын

    That’s really clever

  • @renocicchi7346

    @renocicchi7346

    3 жыл бұрын

    Too bad you made the comment late. I bet you would have gotten a lot of likes

  • @EastPort10

    @EastPort10

    3 жыл бұрын

    @BigLBA1 Yes. That's the joke.

  • @guscichoski

    @guscichoski

    3 жыл бұрын

    You realize he did this sequence so its not like ur smart lol

  • @xarfin7394
    @xarfin73944 жыл бұрын

    Every time I watch a vsauce vid: Me: No Kevin Yes! Me: Yes? Kevin: No!!

  • @carsonmorris127

    @carsonmorris127

    4 жыл бұрын

    XARFIN Kevin knows all

  • @Saoru13

    @Saoru13

    4 жыл бұрын

    00

  • @nametager7539

    @nametager7539

    4 жыл бұрын

    Me: right Kevin: WRONG!

  • @HarlequinHeart16

    @HarlequinHeart16

    4 жыл бұрын

    Mood

  • @mementomori7160

    @mementomori7160

    4 жыл бұрын

    It's a nontransitive game! "No" is beaten by "Yes" and "Yes" is beaten by "No", of course, the second person always wins

  • @AkeemKaleeb
    @AkeemKaleeb3 жыл бұрын

    Dream didn't cheat, he was just playing a non-transitive game

  • @sagittarius5466

    @sagittarius5466

    3 жыл бұрын

    No

  • @holtzwizard2094

    @holtzwizard2094

    3 жыл бұрын

    Bruh I exhaled reading this

  • @ahumanperson3649

    @ahumanperson3649

    3 жыл бұрын

    This joke is top tier, this deserves way more likes lol.

  • @tshandcannon548

    @tshandcannon548

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@ahumanperson3649 the thing is 5 months ago dream didnt admit to cheating but when you saw this comment you thought it was a joke because you know he did cheat when in realatiy @Akeem Kaleeb did not know and was geniun and made a joke of it so the joke cancles out carry the cheat and you left with a man who just lied why is that top teir also 160 likes is alot you only have 5 friends so he just got 32 more people liking him than you do in your life

  • @ahumanperson3649

    @ahumanperson3649

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@tshandcannon548 please use punctuation, I have no idea what you are trying to say.

  • @Nysvarth
    @Nysvarth3 жыл бұрын

    This game is like rock-paper-scissors, except you let your opponent reveal first...

  • @devyn1231

    @devyn1231

    2 жыл бұрын

    False, the odds of beating your opponent if they reveal first in Rock Paper Scissors is 100%

  • @travisdunlap4526

    @travisdunlap4526

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@devyn1231 But the fundamental concept is the same, its just the concept is REALLY REALLY strong in rock paper scissors, whereas with the 3 card game is just REALLY strong. Hence why your odds go up significantly, but not to 100%.

  • @dungeonquestboi32

    @dungeonquestboi32

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@devyn1231 idk I've lost when the other person revealed first

  • @devyn1231

    @devyn1231

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@dungeonquestboi32 I mean if they tell you what they are going to play first you should never lose

  • @dungeonquestboi32

    @dungeonquestboi32

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@devyn1231 the intimidation factor is too much for me

  • @treysabre2943
    @treysabre29434 жыл бұрын

    It’s fair Michael: Or is it?

  • @burntnutz69

    @burntnutz69

    4 жыл бұрын

    Or Kevin

  • @doommaker4000

    @doommaker4000

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@burntnutz69 Or is it?

  • @rusduderus

    @rusduderus

    4 жыл бұрын

    A fair game would be the same game but you both reveal the pattern at the same time and if you chose the same you just do it again.

  • @bradleygipson4683

    @bradleygipson4683

    4 жыл бұрын

    r/suddenlyvsauce

  • @laikaperraespacial6025

    @laikaperraespacial6025

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@rusduderus as rock paper scissors

  • @calebcustombricks2631
    @calebcustombricks26314 жыл бұрын

    Vsauce 1 and 3: come back in 2019 Vsauce 2: Still been here this entire time

  • @carsonmorris127

    @carsonmorris127

    4 жыл бұрын

    I think the universe in in some sort of alignment

  • @ChadRazorback

    @ChadRazorback

    4 жыл бұрын

    Wait... there is a vsauce 3?

  • @calebcustombricks2631

    @calebcustombricks2631

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@ChadRazorback yes

  • @happyperson1851

    @happyperson1851

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@ChadRazorback It's great too!

  • @OmicronGaming
    @OmicronGaming3 жыл бұрын

    I’m not trusting a game to be fair if the other person gets to go first.

  • @cheetahrunout

    @cheetahrunout

    3 жыл бұрын

    Even if you agree to swap who starts. If you start, you just pick one thats least bad for you. If the other person by accident picks the right choice you will loose 2:1. If he has to start first, just apply said algorithm. Overtime you will win.

  • @James-ye7rp

    @James-ye7rp

    3 жыл бұрын

    I think the point is that if you "let the other person go first" you win, not the other way round.

  • @hercourdog5154

    @hercourdog5154

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@cheetahrunout but they’re all equal at first lmak

  • @fantomp1773

    @fantomp1773

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@hercourdog5154 There are ones with the least bad match-ups.

  • @hercourdog5154

    @hercourdog5154

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@fantomp1773 no there isn’t

  • @simon-pierrelussier2775
    @simon-pierrelussier27752 жыл бұрын

    I appreciated the 30 seconds spent on explaining how rock-paper-scissors work. I needed an example of non-transitivity after having an example of non-transitivity.

  • @LuciusC

    @LuciusC

    Жыл бұрын

    Honestly I thought that the rock-paper-scissors was a way better example than the pizza-taco-dog food. But at least the pizza-taco-dog food example was easier to understand than the card game. Of course the card game seems way more fun than rock-paper-scissors though.

  • @_l3018
    @_l30184 жыл бұрын

    I‘ll try to introduce this as a new drinking game with my friends

  • @raskr8137

    @raskr8137

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yes

  • @just_a_rock

    @just_a_rock

    4 жыл бұрын

    Make sure to use vodka.

  • @luxhey

    @luxhey

    4 жыл бұрын

    Be sure to let us know how it goes!

  • @scrap5051

    @scrap5051

    4 жыл бұрын

    Oh boy

  • @43615

    @43615

    4 жыл бұрын

    or, you could just not have friends and drink by yourself

  • @XComb
    @XComb4 жыл бұрын

    Hehehe Crying Carson That was pretty cool

  • @cardboardleaf7971

    @cardboardleaf7971

    4 жыл бұрын

    I thought that was Nathaniel Bandy. Like, really.

  • @Kaiwala

    @Kaiwala

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@cardboardleaf7971 disgusting

  • @weirdchamp4601

    @weirdchamp4601

    4 жыл бұрын

    Kaiwala why

  • @XComb

    @XComb

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@cardboardleaf7971 h--h--how lmao

  • @aaditmaheshwari4080

    @aaditmaheshwari4080

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@cardboardleaf7971 SAME HERE

  • @zerfex2
    @zerfex23 жыл бұрын

    I loved to say "breathtaking" at the same time that Vsauce did, I knew that he was going to say it. Perfect.

  • @brianjodwischat8759

    @brianjodwischat8759

    3 жыл бұрын

    breathtaking

  • @CronicasDeGisthia

    @CronicasDeGisthia

    3 жыл бұрын

    but you are vsauce

  • @ayyron13

    @ayyron13

    3 жыл бұрын

    Perfection.

  • @DryestDaisyDryestDaisy

    @DryestDaisyDryestDaisy

    3 жыл бұрын

    Simply turn on the captions😊😉

  • @kalilover9538

    @kalilover9538

    3 жыл бұрын

    Congratulations

  • @carotee7918
    @carotee79183 жыл бұрын

    Kevin: this is my dearest friend! Also Kevin: breaks his legs and then throws him off the table.

  • @achievedchair17
    @achievedchair174 жыл бұрын

    I mean real life is also like this game.

  • @Tudsamfa

    @Tudsamfa

    4 жыл бұрын

    In the "there is no best choice"- way or in the "Hehe, crying Carson"-way?

  • @adamtopher3633

    @adamtopher3633

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Tudsamfa both 😂

  • @ferraripie1995

    @ferraripie1995

    4 жыл бұрын

    In "that is breathtaking" way

  • @sdrawkcab_emanresu

    @sdrawkcab_emanresu

    4 жыл бұрын

    Society🤔😉

  • @lestaironblack1259

    @lestaironblack1259

    4 жыл бұрын

    But everyone beats me

  • @deltawdunn6597
    @deltawdunn65974 жыл бұрын

    When I see Vsauce and Phil Swift, I click.

  • @Piotr_Tokarz

    @Piotr_Tokarz

    4 жыл бұрын

    I am simple guy

  • @deltawdunn6597

    @deltawdunn6597

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Piotr_Tokarz DANG I had one job, huh?

  • @drakands8452

    @drakands8452

    4 жыл бұрын

    Dont forget sad keanu

  • @KamilKhanYT

    @KamilKhanYT

    4 жыл бұрын

    Vsau that you're Swift.

  • @monkg3i

    @monkg3i

    4 жыл бұрын

    Keanu Reeves: Am i a joke to you?

  • @ne5o2
    @ne5o22 жыл бұрын

    The simplest way to try to explain most of the scenarios is that you want your last 2 colors to be same as opponents first 2 colors. That way every time your opponent gets their 2nd color correct, there is about 50% chance that it finishes your sequence.

  • @patchpen5613

    @patchpen5613

    7 ай бұрын

    Thank you! I came down here looking for an explanation as to WHY the game wasn't transitive, and now it makes perfect sense... or at least the 2:1 ratios do.

  • @Bonobo_JoJo
    @Bonobo_JoJo2 жыл бұрын

    Once you brought up the idea of (non)transitive games I was hoping you would use Rock Paper Scissors as an example. Did not disappoint! This was the best way I found to explain this idea to students when I tutored

  • @vitkloucek3739
    @vitkloucek37394 жыл бұрын

    Kevin: new math merch is avaiable Me: how much for the meme cards ?

  • @user-hi8jv6cw8n

    @user-hi8jv6cw8n

    4 жыл бұрын

    Same

  • @s1l3nttt

    @s1l3nttt

    4 жыл бұрын

    i'd buy them for sure LMAO

  • @heilhonkler6981

    @heilhonkler6981

    4 жыл бұрын

    Dead comment format

  • @gizmoteknodekker7060

    @gizmoteknodekker7060

    4 жыл бұрын

    Ditto!

  • @nikolajdamstengaard4633
    @nikolajdamstengaard46334 жыл бұрын

    KZread: i suppose you’re all wondering why I gathered you here today

  • @carealoo744

    @carealoo744

    4 жыл бұрын

    Actually an incredibly creative comment :)

  • @Davidamp

    @Davidamp

    4 жыл бұрын

    Today

  • @Ethan-ft7pi

    @Ethan-ft7pi

    4 жыл бұрын

    Today

  • @carealoo744

    @carealoo744

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Ethan-ft7pi Very creative name, even if a redundant comment.

  • @cameodamaneo

    @cameodamaneo

    4 жыл бұрын

    This is Vsauce2. He has over 4 million subscribers. I can assure you that 90% of viewers are here because they're subscribed. Not really something that needs to be questioned.

  • @Monosekist
    @Monosekist2 жыл бұрын

    There’s just one problem with this: the only people they know about this game are the people that have watched the video.

  • @elliotardouin-nesbit5657
    @elliotardouin-nesbit56573 жыл бұрын

    7:01 Everyone: No you can't just make a fair game unfair Kevin: Haha maths go BRRR

  • @R4M1R0MC

    @R4M1R0MC

    3 жыл бұрын

    BRR*

  • @yipp-7841

    @yipp-7841

    3 жыл бұрын

    BRR*

  • @brianmchaney7473

    @brianmchaney7473

    3 жыл бұрын

    Maths go BRR, I go BBR.

  • @DND20

    @DND20

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@brianmchaney7473 i go RBB

  • @anikahdunn4551

    @anikahdunn4551

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@DND20 i go RRB

  • @fjordlynn3680
    @fjordlynn36804 жыл бұрын

    I just watched a 12 minute video explaining if the second player gets to pick after the first in rock-paper-scissors, the game is unfair.

  • @xexpaguette

    @xexpaguette

    4 жыл бұрын

    lol

  • @kevaldave9209

    @kevaldave9209

    4 жыл бұрын

    hahaha

  • @Cowtymsmiesznego

    @Cowtymsmiesznego

    4 жыл бұрын

    My thoughts exactly. Non-transitivity is a terrible "explanation" of this paradox.

  • @maxrichter4534

    @maxrichter4534

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you. I am at 1:00 and will stop now

  • @santiagoley6403

    @santiagoley6403

    4 жыл бұрын

    F me, this is why I don't watch stuff from these channels

  • @NootNoot800
    @NootNoot8004 жыл бұрын

    Everyone 5 min after upload: "NICE VIDEO" Video: *Lasts for 12 min*

  • @CharcharoExplorer

    @CharcharoExplorer

    4 жыл бұрын

    2x speed.

  • @M-Soares

    @M-Soares

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@CharcharoExplorer 2x speed gang rise up!

  • @prim16

    @prim16

    4 жыл бұрын

    You guys are soft, I use a browser extension to double my double speed, so I am going 4x speed.

  • @mariafe7050

    @mariafe7050

    4 жыл бұрын

    It doesn't matter if you watch the whole video it can still be good

  • @GIGATHEBOT

    @GIGATHEBOT

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@M-Soares still 6 mins

  • @1218jmm
    @1218jmm2 жыл бұрын

    This is incredible and this guy has a great presentation. Top class video.

  • @chimaru8943
    @chimaru89432 жыл бұрын

    For those wondering a more simplified logical explanation as to why this certain strategy works for this game. This strategy pretty much maximizes P2 to be able to stay one step ahead P1 when P1 is doing good. When P1 is doing good, P2 is likely doing better. (1). Why is the last two sequence of P2's = the first two of P1's? Suppose P1 chose the sequence BRB. Now, consider when the most recent two cards drawn out the deck are BR, that is, P1 now has a 50% chance of winning the game depending on whether the next card drawn is B or not. P1 has seemed to have gotten through the more difficult part of the game of hitting the first two cards (25%), and now just needs that final measly 50%. Good for P1, right? Well, maybe. Given that the last two sequence of P2's choice were the same as P1's first two, this would imply that P2 would have either picked R[BR] or B[BR]. Meaning that depending on what was pulled prior to that BR (the one that P1 is currently so happy about), there is a 50:50 chance that P2 has already won. So any time that P1 gets to the point where they have a 50:50 chance of winning (25% probability), P2 would've already won 50% of the time. (2). Why is P2's first sequence = the opposite of P1's second? This is essentially to counter what was said above in (1). To basically guarantee to never be behind P1 whenever P2 is starting to heat up (gets their first card selected). To expand a bit more, anytime P2 gets a hit on their first card, IF P1 hadn't won already, P1 would either be on their zeroth or first card. Because P2's first sequence is the opposite of P1's second, it'll never be the case that P1 is one draw away from winning (50%) while P2 is two draws away (25%). This part is a bit trickier to explain, I think applying this logic to (1) will help. So there you have it. Tl;dr, Whenever P2 loses, they were just simply unlucky. When P1 wins, they were simply lucky.

  • @davidkoch3758

    @davidkoch3758

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you, it bugged me that this "leading" aspect was not actually explained in the video at all.

  • @donat5617
    @donat56174 жыл бұрын

    Ah yes, fresh and stale memes. The best ones. Love you Kevin.

  • @bences192

    @bences192

    4 жыл бұрын

    Magyar vagy? :D

  • @donat5617

    @donat5617

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@bences192 Találd ki.

  • @mgyeri

    @mgyeri

    4 жыл бұрын

    Mit keresnek itt magyarok?

  • @grofrez9659

    @grofrez9659

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@mgyeri r/facepalm

  • @RaptorBlossom
    @RaptorBlossom4 жыл бұрын

    “What is Fair?” It’s a shorter way of saying *FORWARD AERIAL*

  • @theultimatewaluigi4594

    @theultimatewaluigi4594

    4 жыл бұрын

    Smash Bros reference

  • @cheesesushi9997

    @cheesesushi9997

    4 жыл бұрын

    It’s the haha funny move

  • @kitthekat6844

    @kitthekat6844

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@cheesesushi9997 Is it still funny? I thought it was dead. Alpharad looks like he's had enough of it for sure

  • @cheesesushi9997

    @cheesesushi9997

    4 жыл бұрын

    KitTheKat funny haha yes forward aerial chuckle hard giggle heartily

  • @cryosthesia77k69

    @cryosthesia77k69

    4 жыл бұрын

    Oh i'm playing mario and ness is trying to recover? I guess I'll just back air hi-*FORWARD AERIAL*

  • @UberHummus
    @UberHummus4 жыл бұрын

    Dude your shirts look amazing! I’m boutta order like 10 of these things!!

  • @jeremy.oliver
    @jeremy.oliver3 жыл бұрын

    When you shuffle the deck, but put some cards face up: The odds are against us, because I can see the evens

  • @Villetownkid
    @Villetownkid4 жыл бұрын

    When you realize the lighting makes his face 50% red and 50% black

  • @Whatismusic123

    @Whatismusic123

    4 жыл бұрын

    Blue tho

  • @roscasilviu8742

    @roscasilviu8742

    4 жыл бұрын

    BUT ARE YOU SURE IT`S 50/50 ?

  • @dancepants3399

    @dancepants3399

    4 жыл бұрын

    lol how would there be black light??

  • @brokenwave6125

    @brokenwave6125

    4 жыл бұрын

    Do you think blue is black?

  • @juliancuellarm.2498

    @juliancuellarm.2498

    4 жыл бұрын

    Or does it?

  • @Simon_Augustine
    @Simon_Augustine4 жыл бұрын

    *buys math shirt* *doesn't watch corresponding video* "Hey, what's your shirt of?" "Oh yeah, it's..... uh....."

  • @BrandNewByxor

    @BrandNewByxor

    4 жыл бұрын

    "Pizza theorem" "What's that?..." "............pizza theorem"

  • @ca-ke9493

    @ca-ke9493

    4 жыл бұрын

    The shirts look pretty dope

  • @aldrinkolakkal3034
    @aldrinkolakkal3034 Жыл бұрын

    THIS WAS SOOO EDUCATING....I WAS JUST STUYING PROBABILITY AND STUMBLED ACROSS THIS VIDEO

  • @funnyplatypus2164
    @funnyplatypus21642 жыл бұрын

    I’m just glad I was able to figure this out right at the beginning of the video

  • @Me-ie5tc
    @Me-ie5tc4 жыл бұрын

    Plot twist Your friends says that he wants to go second or else he's not playing.

  • @namansingla2975

    @namansingla2975

    4 жыл бұрын

    I'd like to think that's already happened with you 😂

  • @arejay9509

    @arejay9509

    4 жыл бұрын

    Had sharted earlier, stay safe out there my friend

  • @LD-dt1sk

    @LD-dt1sk

    4 жыл бұрын

    Plot twist You dont have a friend

  • @thishdude

    @thishdude

    4 жыл бұрын

    that is exactly what i was about to say

  • @cizma27

    @cizma27

    4 жыл бұрын

    You pick the ones with less chances of losing. Say RBB with 33% chance of losing.

  • @thelegend-gu9eg
    @thelegend-gu9eg4 жыл бұрын

    I mean the shirt are cool but imma be honest with u chief, I want the meme cards

  • @theNeonfrequency
    @theNeonfrequency2 жыл бұрын

    Took me a second to realize and appreciate the dual lighting on your face nice touch

  • @lesarXD
    @lesarXD3 жыл бұрын

    7:19 rock paper scissors players: confused screaming

  • @nikolasrogkotis6873
    @nikolasrogkotis68734 жыл бұрын

    I think i represent everyone when i ask: WHERE CAN I BUY THIS DECK OF CARDS?!?

  • @davidmadiar3928

    @davidmadiar3928

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yup

  • @Rafael-ft1hu

    @Rafael-ft1hu

    4 жыл бұрын

    You absolutely do

  • @ObjectsCountries

    @ObjectsCountries

    4 жыл бұрын

    indeed

  • @Rafael-ft1hu

    @Rafael-ft1hu

    4 жыл бұрын

    It looks this deck came from makeplayingcards.com or somrthing

  • @kane2742

    @kane2742

    4 жыл бұрын

    You can't. It would violate copyright for the images not owned by Vsauce, and some of those copyright holders (like Disney) could sue them for selling these.

  • @abhinavmittal2981
    @abhinavmittal29814 жыл бұрын

    he had me at meme cards

  • @Lyuben

    @Lyuben

    4 жыл бұрын

    crying carson ahahahahhahahahahahahhhaaaaahahha

  • @jaundicepatient7898
    @jaundicepatient78983 жыл бұрын

    That Call me Carson card didn’t age so well

  • @josephgarbus6195

    @josephgarbus6195

    3 жыл бұрын

    Carson’s definitely crying now lmao

  • @goatmeal5241
    @goatmeal52413 жыл бұрын

    Great to mention bacterial RPS ecosystems. I found it very interesting to realize that even with a single "weapon" like an antibiotic toxin, RPS dynamics can arise: the toxin producer beats un-protected bacteria, but a bacterium that exhibits resistance to the toxin beats them because it's metabolically cheaper to defend than produce. But the cost isn't 0, so un-protected bacteria out-compete the resistant strain and "beat" it. The advantages aren't 100%, but the core dynamic is there. Well-balanced RTS games like Starcraft have this dynamic on many scales: on the broadest scale, attack beats economy, economy beats defense, and defense beats attack. But there's much richer dynamics when you include scouting, upgrades, harassment, and the attention/APM budget of each player. Many separate non-transitive arenas, with imperfect information, all come together and keep things fresh.

  • @sadhanghimire9139
    @sadhanghimire91394 жыл бұрын

    Kevin: right? Me(without a clue): wrong Kevin: wrong Me:😏😏

  • @twopeople254

    @twopeople254

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yesh

  • @martinacocca4225

    @martinacocca4225

    3 жыл бұрын

    Same 🤣

  • @Samuel-zn8zt

    @Samuel-zn8zt

    3 жыл бұрын

    99999999999999999999999 IQ Kevin: Right? Me (looking at the subtitles): Wrong!!! Kevin: Wrong!!! Me: 😏times 99999999999999999999999

  • @richardtemple4557
    @richardtemple45572 жыл бұрын

    This is an extension of the monte hall problem well done sir

  • @Juiced2528
    @Juiced2528 Жыл бұрын

    Loved the lighting.

  • @feetfinderguy7044
    @feetfinderguy70444 жыл бұрын

    - "hey, wanna play a game?" - "sure, but play it fair! ok?" - "well yes but actually no"

  • @david_ga8490

    @david_ga8490

    4 жыл бұрын

    Perfect for No Game No Life

  • @feetfinderguy7044

    @feetfinderguy7044

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@david_ga8490 ahh... I see you as a man of culture as well

  • @danielrehfeldt
    @danielrehfeldt4 жыл бұрын

    “Crying Carson”

  • @cran7731

    @cran7731

    4 жыл бұрын

    "Hehehehehe"

  • @wikser7943

    @wikser7943

    4 жыл бұрын

    Well done, you can spell.

  • @mellowater

    @mellowater

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@wikser7943 not funny, didn't laugh

  • @finncampbell6524

    @finncampbell6524

    4 жыл бұрын

    SHIZA your cant spell man

  • @benp.865

    @benp.865

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@finncampbell6524 *can't

  • @markosp1816
    @markosp18168 ай бұрын

    the video that introduced me to card counting

  • @lummiistic1869
    @lummiistic18693 жыл бұрын

    Friend: Haha ok so you won , know you're first Me: Friend: Me: Friend: Me: o yeah I forgot I dont have friends

  • @agenti4734

    @agenti4734

    3 жыл бұрын

    "Honey, take your schizophrenia meds!"

  • @hatchera
    @hatchera4 жыл бұрын

    Basically Kevin: Hey I know this cool game, lets play rock-paper-scissors. You choose first and then I choose! Look how amazing it's that I win, what a paradoxical loophole.

  • @batmanthememe8611

    @batmanthememe8611

    4 жыл бұрын

    Rly tho

  • @ComfortKM

    @ComfortKM

    4 жыл бұрын

    Noted the way the games are played gives way to the “loophole”. One is played with simultaneous moves and the other with turn based moves. The advantage disappears when we make the moves simultaneously.

  • @sixty2612

    @sixty2612

    4 жыл бұрын

    I think the difference is that to most people, the strategy to win Rock Paper Scissors is obvious, but a lot of people would look at this game and assume any card sequence has the same odds regardless of who picks first.

  • @harlyjones3140

    @harlyjones3140

    4 жыл бұрын

    ​@@sixty2612 The game would be way more fair if both people chose their sequence in secret, then revealed their choices simultaneously. Either way, any turn based game is intrinsically unfair, but they can be made more fair by switching sides each time, or by increasing the number of possible moves each turn. Since the game Kevin describes always has one person choosing first, and there's only 8 possible moves... it's a very unfair game. Hatchy took this to the extreme and described a game with one person going first every time, and only 3 possible moves. I'll be honest, I was thinking the exact same thing while watching the vid

  • @Cowtymsmiesznego

    @Cowtymsmiesznego

    4 жыл бұрын

    My thoughts exactly. Non-transitivity is a terrible "explanation" of this paradox. The non-obvious part is that not all pairs of patterns are equally strong.

  • @Veptis
    @Veptis4 жыл бұрын

    Numberphile had a sequence video a few months ago with a similar concept. We had lecture in maths class that touched on transitivity. Great to stay relevant to me. Earned a sub Kevin!

  • @CLaw-tb5gg
    @CLaw-tb5gg3 жыл бұрын

    Once I was paying for something in a shop and happened to drop a coin onto the counter, which was pretty low, so it fell a good two feet. It spun end over end and then landed perfectly on its side. I was so gobsmacked I just stood there staring at it with the clerk going "SIR. ....SIR."

  • @TheWorldsStage
    @TheWorldsStage Жыл бұрын

    That leveling job on the table was sweet!

  • @temptura
    @temptura4 жыл бұрын

    *keanu appears* Kevin: "KeanO Reeves"

  • @HartyBiker

    @HartyBiker

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, what's wrong with that?

  • @AaronCataract

    @AaronCataract

    4 жыл бұрын

    New

  • @AaronCataract

    @AaronCataract

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Josh Abatecola he says his own name like key-ah-new

  • @AaronCataract

    @AaronCataract

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Josh Abatecola omg look it up

  • @AaronCataract

    @AaronCataract

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Josh Abatecola if that was intended to cause laughter, you should try harder

  • @SK-vw3in
    @SK-vw3in4 жыл бұрын

    October 2019 : Vsauce Reborn

  • @oj1587

    @oj1587

    4 жыл бұрын

    to be fair vcause2(kevin) is the only 1 who hasnt stoped creating videos from all 3 of them

  • @david_ga8490

    @david_ga8490

    4 жыл бұрын

    Tutor hitman

  • @breadqueen7166
    @breadqueen71663 жыл бұрын

    It’s just a meme review with extra steps

  • @Astroni800
    @Astroni8009 ай бұрын

    Ooo, I remember that from some book. To starting understand this crazy think is really awesome experience.

  • @Astroni800

    @Astroni800

    9 ай бұрын

    I should not comment before watching the video to the end - the author practically did not explain where the injustice of these combinations comes from.

  • @ASMRDoodlez
    @ASMRDoodlez4 жыл бұрын

    Kevin: As Player 2 here, the method is very easy. Sprint guy: Isn’t it nice when you keep things simple? Me, not currently looking at the screen: Yes, it i- Hey you’re an ad!

  • @nyaamononychrosystematical6036
    @nyaamononychrosystematical60364 жыл бұрын

    "Although... it could land on its edge..." *No Game No Life flashbacks occur*

  • @MrFram

    @MrFram

    4 жыл бұрын

    Ah, a see, a fellow man of culture

  • @raifikarj6698

    @raifikarj6698

    4 жыл бұрын

    This was what popped up in my brain when he said that.

  • @lowenxiang1387

    @lowenxiang1387

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@raifikarj6698 SAME

  • @sollertia_

    @sollertia_

    4 жыл бұрын

    Also, kakegurui

  • @xcalixus

    @xcalixus

    4 жыл бұрын

    Second Season😐

  • @Tim_Sviridov
    @Tim_Sviridov3 жыл бұрын

    For anybody struggling to understand this, here is an over-simplified explanation: You are basically playing scissors-paper-rock where the other player shows their choice before you choose yours.

  • @franksierow5792

    @franksierow5792

    3 жыл бұрын

    And this manouver is only possible because every time a new card is added, what is then the "last 3 cards" is not indepedent of what was the previous "last 3 cards". If 3 cards were added at a time then game would be fair.

  • @jansmitowiczauthor78

    @jansmitowiczauthor78

    3 жыл бұрын

    Uhm. No-- unless you don't know how to play, there's no way B loses to A if A picks first. But with the cards, A *can* still win. Many scenarios where they can win, albeit unlikely, where in your example, Player B only loses if s/he doesn't know how to play.

  • @Tim_Sviridov

    @Tim_Sviridov

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@jansmitowiczauthor78 "over-simplified" "basically"

  • @Theking0fgg

    @Theking0fgg

    3 жыл бұрын

    Rock paper siccors. Ro sham bo. But not siccors paper rock. Just not.

  • @zariftahmidshoeb3487

    @zariftahmidshoeb3487

    2 жыл бұрын

    Well in Rock Paper Scissors you have a 100% chance of winning if they go first and it’s very obvious. But here, little do they know that the game is not fair and is rigged in favor of the 2nd person if they know this trick. And in a lot of games like chess and tic tac toe, the person who gets to go first has the advantage. So it’s not always like the 2nd person has an advantage over the 1st person, in fact it can be the opposite.

  • @tungtungtuak9025
    @tungtungtuak90253 жыл бұрын

    Kevin: introduce meme playing card Me: i'll take your entire stock!

  • @ProfessorScorbunny
    @ProfessorScorbunny4 жыл бұрын

    Me: *Reads title* Wait, that’s illegal.

  • @yinyang1217

    @yinyang1217

    4 жыл бұрын

    But illegal is illegal.

  • @GhostofFarta

    @GhostofFarta

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@yinyang1217 or is it? Today I have an expert on illegal things, a random thug I pulled off the street.

  • @lvbboi9
    @lvbboi94 жыл бұрын

    I see Phil Swift I _CLICK INSTANTLY_

  • @tacticalninja7096

    @tacticalninja7096

    4 жыл бұрын

    Swiftly*

  • @thomashanson6603

    @thomashanson6603

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@tacticalninja7096 Weird Flex but ok.

  • @thecalendarninja
    @thecalendarninja2 жыл бұрын

    This is a brilliant discovery 👏 👌

  • @jimofaotearoa3636
    @jimofaotearoa36362 жыл бұрын

    Breathtaking...

  • @cobaltdeleon
    @cobaltdeleon4 жыл бұрын

    "Truth is, Keanu, the game was rigged from the start."

  • @Kyosukedono

    @Kyosukedono

    4 жыл бұрын

    "Whoa"

  • @jdotoz

    @jdotoz

    3 жыл бұрын

    Ergo

  • @Kfreeks
    @Kfreeks4 жыл бұрын

    Easy fix to this: both players pick their sequence in secret and reveal it once both have decided. In case their sequences are identical, they both choose again, in secret. Can't use the same sequence one had in the next decision.

  • @laikaperraespacial6025

    @laikaperraespacial6025

    4 жыл бұрын

    So it would be a more complicated version of Rock paper scissor

  • @laikaperraespacial6025

    @laikaperraespacial6025

    4 жыл бұрын

    I liked

  • @Thebiggestgordon

    @Thebiggestgordon

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yeah but then you wouldn’t win

  • @baker7280

    @baker7280

    4 жыл бұрын

    Then both players would always pick RBB or BRR which are equal against each other and it is unbeneficial to try and counter pick with bbr or rbb.

  • @sugar2000galaxy

    @sugar2000galaxy

    4 жыл бұрын

    U mean rock paper sciccors?

  • @CloakedJester
    @CloakedJester3 жыл бұрын

    "You can't rig a card game" Kevin : "haha, math go BRR"

  • @samuelrussell5760
    @samuelrussell57603 жыл бұрын

    There must be a mistake on the board at 10:07. It says BBR beats BRB 2:1 and RRB beats RBR 3:1. These two are the same matchup just color switched, so the odds should be the same.

  • @reformCopyright

    @reformCopyright

    Жыл бұрын

    You mean 9:07, right? I agree.

  • @mrpelzyt
    @mrpelzyt4 жыл бұрын

    To make this game “fair”, simply just discreetly pick your sequence so you can’t look off the other persons answer and make your sequence based on theirs

  • @theapexsurvivor9538

    @theapexsurvivor9538

    4 жыл бұрын

    Or just pick your cards alternately: 1:1, 2:1, 1:2, 2:2, 1:3, 2:3. So long as 1:2 comes before 2:1 it's potentially unfair, but if 2:1 comes before 1:2 it's guaranteed to be fair.

  • @mesplin3

    @mesplin3

    4 жыл бұрын

    Or just play goofspiel.

  • @user-eu5jc6qj4r

    @user-eu5jc6qj4r

    4 жыл бұрын

    I wrote in another comment that the only 2 viable options would be RRB and BBR since they are actually the best "single player" choices due to the nature of this game.

  • @TanyaNirielle

    @TanyaNirielle

    3 жыл бұрын

    My thoughts exactly

  • @TheJacklikesvideos

    @TheJacklikesvideos

    3 жыл бұрын

    but then what about you both picking the same sequence?

  • @111111222223
    @1111112222234 жыл бұрын

    5:16 That troll card staying behind was perfect xD

  • @tektrades7539
    @tektrades75393 жыл бұрын

    "Sometimes a fair coin lands on its side" was on the back of my business cards years ago.

  • @prestonbacchus4204
    @prestonbacchus4204 Жыл бұрын

    As usual, that was cool.^

  • @TheRealGuywithoutaMustache
    @TheRealGuywithoutaMustache4 жыл бұрын

    An unfair game that's totally unfair: (Any pay 2 win game)

  • @vibinzim2796

    @vibinzim2796

    4 жыл бұрын

    Are you just like in the comments under every video?

  • @aikslf

    @aikslf

    4 жыл бұрын

    People who made the game and still update the game: "That's fair"

  • @webrevolution.
    @webrevolution.4 жыл бұрын

    Nice, but why didn't you explain the math/logical reasons for this "trick"? It would have been interesting to understand, but we have only a new way to trick friends with this game, without understanding the whole concept.

  • @peachbunns

    @peachbunns

    4 жыл бұрын

    The concept is that some combinations are able to put themselves in a 100% non-losing scenarios against others. Lets take an example with player 1 choosing one of the two worst combinations, lets say BBB. Player 2 chooses RBB. Player 1 needs to hit BBB in the first 3 draws otherwise he is very likely to lose or has an extremely small chance of drawing the game, but 0% chance of winning. That's because if a red pops up, any colour that player 1 needs is going to make player 2 win first. Let's say the first three draws are B, B, R. Now, player 1 cannot possibly win and can only hope of a small chance of drawing the game. Additionally, if at any point the number of red cards drawn is more than the black cards drawn, player 2 100% wins. So let's say the first three draws are B, R, R; player 1 would automatically win, even if it means the whole deck is drawn out.

  • @mimikal7548

    @mimikal7548

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@peachbunns He can't even draw, surely?

  • @peachbunns

    @peachbunns

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@mimikal7548 Yes he can. If the first 3 draws are B, B, R, the game will be a draw if the the rest of the cards drawn are one black, one red, until the final 3 cards being B, R, R.

  • @matthewhubka6350

    @matthewhubka6350

    4 жыл бұрын

    He actually got a thing wrong as well when he says player one’s choice doesn’t matter because they can pick something that gives them the least chance of getting screwed like not picking BBB or RRR. Although player two always has a more successful strategy, player one can make it as small as possible.

  • @nathangamble125

    @nathangamble125

    4 жыл бұрын

    @KinglyGosling72 That's not an explanation, you moron.

  • @phil3038
    @phil30383 жыл бұрын

    Nice one, I'm now going to play this with the Mrs to decide who does the housework today,😎👍

  • @buggsbunnyboy1
    @buggsbunnyboy13 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the tip. Currently hustling my friends

  • @thedude2241
    @thedude22414 жыл бұрын

    "So why does all this matter?" Aahh, now hes probably going to say something like "dont trust seemingly fair things" or "math is cool" "BACTERIA PLAY ROCK PAPER SCIZORS TO MULTIPLY." ... O...k....didnt expect that one

  • @etherealsalad2698

    @etherealsalad2698

    3 жыл бұрын

    very creative spelling of scissors

  • @mrleaf6055

    @mrleaf6055

    3 жыл бұрын

    Mr. Pickle wdym? It's spelled scizors. 🙄

  • @lennaerthondelink9135

    @lennaerthondelink9135

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@mrleaf6055 It's obviously shiszorce

  • @KingBobXVI
    @KingBobXVI4 жыл бұрын

    "A game that appears fair" Any game where one player gets more information is unfair - even without knowing the transitive property, it's not that unintuitive to liken the game to something like rock paper scissors where one person gets to know the other's choice beforehand. Only knock against the video is that you didn't really go into why the sequence makes it more likely - like how, for example, unless the first 3 in a row are RRR you literally can't win with that choice once your opponent chooses BRR, because if there's one B the game will always end before the third R.

  • @thejuicymop8128

    @thejuicymop8128

    4 жыл бұрын

    Good job. Now make it bigger and publish it on a worldwide scale in Barns and nobles around the world

  • @42isthemeaningoflife

    @42isthemeaningoflife

    4 жыл бұрын

    Til that chess is imbalanced in Black’s favor because they have “more information”

  • @TheAmatyarakshasa

    @TheAmatyarakshasa

    4 жыл бұрын

    I’m not sure that’s universally true. For example, take a game like in this video where the sequence of cards is only one item long. Say Keanu chooses Red. If Kevin also chooses red then the game is a draw. If Kevin chooses black then he has a 50% chance of winning. There is no strategy for Kevin where he can use the information from Keanu’s choice to increase his chances of winning above 50%.

  • @andylane3739

    @andylane3739

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@42isthemeaningoflife - black has to respond to a change. White knows black's initial state.

  • @42isthemeaningoflife

    @42isthemeaningoflife

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@andylane3739 Both players know the others' initial state, black get's to have more information before making her first move. I don't really know what you're trying to argue here.

  • @the_honkler778
    @the_honkler7782 жыл бұрын

    the game becomes completely fair if both players decide at the same time in secret then reveal their decision

  • @Fun_maths
    @Fun_maths3 жыл бұрын

    why can't I have fun mom? 0:14

  • @samanthae.1002
    @samanthae.10024 жыл бұрын

    If anyone in my fam were to play this with me they’d play BRB and *never return*

  • @sourgreendolly7685

    @sourgreendolly7685

    4 жыл бұрын

    My dad did that 😂

  • @samanthae.1002

    @samanthae.1002

    4 жыл бұрын

    A too real feeling

  • @alexkorocencev7689
    @alexkorocencev76894 жыл бұрын

    Please start to sell those meme playing cards!

  • @MakoProductions321

    @MakoProductions321

    4 жыл бұрын

    Idk if he can, since they have copyrighted characters like Thanos :( I'm not sure tho

  • @alexkorocencev7689

    @alexkorocencev7689

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@MakoProductions321 sad gamer noises...

  • @Michael-zq9wm
    @Michael-zq9wm3 жыл бұрын

    Very good video. An unrelated FYI regarding the "rock/paper/scissors" game is that in Kazakhstan this is called "drain/paper/scissors". The logic is that scissors go down the drain and paper covers the drain, and when you think about it while the rock blunts the scissors in both cases the Kazak game it makes more sense for the paper to cover a drain than to cover a rock.

  • @van707
    @van7074 жыл бұрын

    This reminds me of a video from Deep Look. About lizards which is also playing rock paper scissors to survive. Good one

  • @MicrosoftNestleTea
    @MicrosoftNestleTea4 жыл бұрын

    A Russian walks into a bar He says, "This not Fair"

  • @jmugwel

    @jmugwel

    4 жыл бұрын

    -This not Fair!

  • @geo-lite69

    @geo-lite69

    4 жыл бұрын

    No he actually says Это не честно

  • @luck3949

    @luck3949

    4 жыл бұрын

    Please explain

  • @MACtic1

    @MACtic1

    4 жыл бұрын

    Why Russian?

  • @U014B

    @U014B

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@MACtic1 Because Russian doesn't use articles (a, the). So in Russian, "this is not fair" and "this is not a/the fair" are equivalent.

  • @kirbyhypno2522
    @kirbyhypno25224 жыл бұрын

    Choosing RBB against BBB is so cheap (And I love it), it makes it so Player 1 can NEVER win if a single red card was drawn, meaning the first three cards in the deck have to be black cards

  • @AA-100

    @AA-100

    Жыл бұрын

    7.5 to 1 odds doesnt make sense though, the chance of drawing BBB is 1/8 so the odds should be 7 to 1

  • @jerreddenton4862

    @jerreddenton4862

    Жыл бұрын

    @@AA-100 probability of black second card is reduced slightly when the first card is black. Reduced again when second card is black. (26/52)*(25/51)*(24/50)

  • @AA-100

    @AA-100

    Жыл бұрын

    Then the other probabilities of 2:1 and 3:1 needs to be changed as well, those probabilities are calculated assuming there were infinite cards

  • @johnbravata5142
    @johnbravata51422 жыл бұрын

    That just made my head hurt!

  • @mariliafreitas7424
    @mariliafreitas74244 жыл бұрын

    My friend: endgame is the biggest crossover in history! Me: 4:53

  • @npc6817
    @npc68174 жыл бұрын

    When you take the meme deck* "Looks like you're going to the shadow realm jimbo!!"

  • @resolutecub9977
    @resolutecub99774 жыл бұрын

    The laugh at crying Carson probably just made my day

  • @BobMobber
    @BobMobber2 жыл бұрын

    Just came across this. Pretty cool. Now I have to make a friend to try it out on. :(

  • @powandwow750
    @powandwow7504 жыл бұрын

    This is some big brain stuff. I don't really get it, but I'm watching it anyway.

  • @eleanorsstuff2316
    @eleanorsstuff23164 жыл бұрын

    3:19 I'm very happy that Sans is still a meme.

  • @lovell8983
    @lovell89834 жыл бұрын

    it's 2am and i have classes in the morning yet im here..

  • @bugdatmug86
    @bugdatmug862 жыл бұрын

    I feel like... you just taught me how to hustle people

  • @5kulk3r73
    @5kulk3r732 жыл бұрын

    Mind blowing implications... so changing things a little... I wonder if I know a player will choose actions RRR in a game, does me choosing actions BRR make me more successful at winning, if BRR is somehow more frequently occurring thus I am more "aligned". Like perhaps they are waiting for opportunity to RRR me, but what happens more frequently is BRR occurs so they keep being defeated. This video has given allot of food for thought. Seems like there is some sort of key strategy change you can make that tweaks your odds of winning against an opponent in regard to actions rather than occurrence of sequences. I can feel I am close to some major insight :) Thanks for the great videos.

  • @alistaw1866
    @alistaw18664 жыл бұрын

    1:39 jake : is it possible to crack the theoretical coin-flipping code and take advantage of a secret non-transitive property within this game? 1:37 thanos : impossible !!

  • @ofikasty
    @ofikasty4 жыл бұрын

    WHERE I CAN GET THIS CARDS

  • @andresousa9876

    @andresousa9876

    4 жыл бұрын

    these

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    @rysus

    4 жыл бұрын

    these

  • @riririririririri6739

    @riririririririri6739

    4 жыл бұрын

    these

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    @elidoesrandom1770

    4 жыл бұрын

    These

  • @Jach199

    @Jach199

    4 жыл бұрын

    These

  • @TheJacklikesvideos
    @TheJacklikesvideos3 жыл бұрын

    the unfairness was readily apparent, even moreso than in the average "you go first" scheme.

  • @easylearningbysyedsirsyedz7898
    @easylearningbysyedsirsyedz7898 Жыл бұрын

    I was trying to find some loopholes in fantasy games through your videos. 😂

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