This channel is so underrated. This was a great little documentary loved every minute of it I just wished it was longer

I had an acquaintance who had apparently helped with a Junebug replica in the late 1960’s. They were not successful in getting it airborne until they used a pilot who was of the same stature as Curtiss, such was the criticality of the design. I also have a book on Curtiss and the Hammondsport era. It lists many planes and the materials they were built with. Ash wing spars? Really heavy. All the bracing created a lot of parasitic drag, too. It was stated that in case of an engine out condition, a dive must be taken IMMEDIATELY to prevent a stall.

According to Wikipedia----> Curtiss, working with the head of the Smithsonian Institution Charles Walcott, sought to discredit the Wrights and rehabilitate the reputation of Samuel Langley, a former head of the Smithsonian, who failed in his attempt at powered flight. Secretly, Curtiss extensively modified Langley's 1903 aerodrome (aircraft) then demonstrated in 1914 that it could fly. In turn, the Smithsonian endorsed the false statement that "Professor Samuel P. Langley had actually designed and built the first man-carrying flying machine capable of sustained flight." Walcott ordered the plane modified by Curtiss to be returned to its original 1903 condition before going on display at the Smithsonian to cover up the deception. In 1928 the Smithsonian Board of Regents reversed its position and acknowledged that the Wright Brothers deserved the credit for the first flight.

In 1929, several companies under the panalopies of both the Wright brothers and Glenn Curtiss merged into Curtiss Wright to form an aviation corporations that is still in existence and that provided the most ordered peacetime fighter, the P-36, and later, the venerable P-40 Warhawk. .

I thought they meant *_above_* 5000 feet, not 5000 feet distance.

In 2015, I found out that my great grandmother was Glenn Curtiss's 2nd cousin. Whoooo Hooooo!!! :-)

Gustave Whitehead flew multiple times in 1901 before the Wright Bros., or anyone else. Whitehead did it in Bridgeport Connecticut, possibly as early as 1899.

@cratecruncher4974

11 күн бұрын

Pic?🤔

It is crazy that the airplane was invented just barely after the car.

@bderrick4944

3 жыл бұрын

Car was invented and patented in 1886 by German engineer Karl Benz. Airplane was patented 17 years later in 1903 by the Wright Brothers.

@riazhassan6570

3 жыл бұрын

Both owed a lot to the development of engines compact, light and powerful enough for the job. There were less problems with powered carriages, one thinks, than with powered flight, but both were inventions that soon changed the world

@mydogbrian4814

2 жыл бұрын

- Not crazy! It was the gas motor & not the car that was important to flight. The powered plane was pre dated by the battery powered controled ridged zeplen in Europe 3 years earlier.

@hyzercreek

Жыл бұрын

@@bderrick4944 The car was invented in 1805 by Trevethick

An interesting documentary, but it creates an image that, somehow, Curtis had surpassed the Wrights with this flight -- yet, when I check the records -- earlier this same year -- the Wrights were routinely flying several miles and carrying passengers. (Is the Smithsonian still feuding with the Wrights? grin)... Apparently, Orville and Wilbur simply did not 'bother' entering this particular competition. BTW - circa 1909-13 Wrights filed, and won, a patent-infringement lawsuit against Curtis regarding ailerons.

Wow look at that early 1900s van it looks sooo modern

@Newvamp

4 жыл бұрын

Good eye

When did Curtis "invent" the aileron? Because Santos Dumont used it in November 1906, he simply added them to his already existing 14 bis, which didn't fly well before November and then was better, not great. And the Wrights wrote all about the ailerons in their patent which they applied for in 1903 and was awarded in 1906, all Curtis had to do was look up the patent.

@marciacummings1337

Жыл бұрын

Abode, Curtiss’s winglets were nothing like the Wrights’ wing warping and aviation soon discarded their process. It was impractical. Wrights needed a rudder to stop their plane from turning. Curtiss didn’t Wrights needed to employ both wings. Curtiss proved he could use only one winglet (aileron) at a time. You’re backing the wrong horse. Besides, Curtiss never claimed he “invented” the aileron because he didn’t. He just claimed the Wrights didn’t either. Their patent was bogus, according to “Jane’s All the World’s Aircraft.”

@marcusotxoa

Жыл бұрын

Abcde, Curtiss did not “invent” the aileron but he and the A.E.A. were the first to use ailerons in an airplane (Esnault-Pelterie use ailerons before but only in his gliders). What Santos Dumont used in November 1906 were not true ailerons, were useful only to control the airplane in straight flight, he couldn’t make turns or Banks. Finally, I have to say that the Wrights did not write anything about ailerons, what are you talking about? Did you dream that?

@gcorriveau6864

2 ай бұрын

​@@marciacummings1337 The Wrights already had considered ailerons, but found wing-warping to be more effective for their first design, and they chose to develop that. In 1913 they won a lawsuit v. Curtis, because ailerons were just another way to create different angles of attack on each side (i.e. differential lift to produce roll). BTW, any airplane (to be fully controllable) requires a way to prevent uncoordinated yaw, because by use of warp or aileron when differential lift is created so too is unbalanced yaw tendency. The rudder has always been the most effective way to achieve this - just as the Wrights soon realized after their first stall/spin accident.

With a good, reasonably powerful engine, just about anything will fly.

Many inaccurate statements made in this video. As has been said, the devil is in the details, and particularly with this subject of early aviation, it's paramount to very accurately depict what was and was not accomplished by competing groups in development of powered, sustained, controlled flight. For example, in Glenn Curtiss' biography written by Roseberry, the aileron concept was credited to Bell, not Curtiss, as far as conceptualizing it. But it should also be carefully noted that the Wrights pioneered lateral control, albeit not conveniently or elegantly, by their development of wing warping. I quickly counted a half-dozen other inaccurate misrepresentations in the video. The Wrights superseded by several years (with superiority, in terms of control about all three axes) the Curtiss flights made "in the public eye" at Huffman Prairie, although they were not as widely publicized. In summation, I say this video is definitely not very accurate and misleading to boot.

@marciacummings1337

3 жыл бұрын

The Wrights absolutely did not pioneer lateral control. That they did is a complete myth. They weren’t the first to invent wing warping either. See Truth in Aviation History for names of some of the true pioneers, such as Mouillard and Montgomery.

@carlosangel3647

2 жыл бұрын

@@marciacummings1337 Mouillard and Montgomery didn't got a presidential medal of honor for inventing the airplane. If they had invented that technology, their names would be remembered instead of the Wrights. Sorry, but alternate history is not "Real" history.

@marciacummings1337

2 жыл бұрын

@@carlosangel3647 Presidents are not historians.The curators of the Smithsonian apparently were not either. The Wrights did a good job of selling their myth and defaming those who deserved credit for what they claimed they did. Their supposed first flight was not controlled, sustained, or able to take off without the wind, a hill. Or both.

@timothy4664

2 жыл бұрын

Smithsonian has been trying to discredit the Wright Brothers for 100 years

@hyzercreek

Жыл бұрын

@@marciacummings1337 That's a lie. The Wrights invented wing warping for their first gliders in 1899, according to McCullough page 39.

🎂Glenn Hammond Curtiss 05-21-2022

why are some of your videos "not available in my country" ... i thought this was the internet

@AnonYmous-pq1fp

9 жыл бұрын

George Download Hola.

The Wrights built and launched powered gliders between1903 and 1907 , incapable of taking off without a rail ,gantry and heavy counterweight catapult!!! No wheeled undercarriage .so NOT flight under its own power

@cardinalRG

Жыл бұрын

I encourage you to do some genuine research.

@hyzercreek

Жыл бұрын

That's a lie. The Wrights used no counterweight or catapult in 1903 and there is nothing wrong with using a rail on sand. They never used a catapult at all, ever, catapults throw things upward, all they used was a system to accelerate the plane to take off speed. A catapult launches things, nothing they used launched anything, just accelerated it, and after they got up they flew for miles. Your argument is rubbish.

@garrington120

Жыл бұрын

@@hyzercreek LOL Another deluded believer in the Wright LIES

@hyzercreek

Жыл бұрын

@@garrington120 Everything I said is true. You must be a nut case.

@cardinalRG

Жыл бұрын

@@hyzercreek --You may see the notification for a response from me, a couple of minutes ago, that was addressed to you. It was a mistake, not intended for you, and since deleted.

The Wrights developed the mechanics and procedures of flight that is still in use today. Any improvements or innovations is nothing more than potato potatto when it boils down to basics.

Patents are a fool's game.

@carlosangel3647

2 жыл бұрын

Patents are a way for people to set the record straight when it comes of getting credit for ingenuity. Want your name remembered in history? get a patent! other wise, you'll be forgotten like a real fool!

Wasn't Bell Scottish?

@hyzercreek

Жыл бұрын

He left Scotland when he was 2 and grew up in Canada.

This video is bogus. The caption of the video says "In 1908, in order to prove his new plane was better than the Wright Brothers' model, Glenn Curtiss accepted a daunting challenge they had declined: a $2,500 prize to be the first to fly 5,000 feet in public." Total garbage. The Wright's first flew over 5000 feet in 1905 and there were many witnesses, it wasn't "public" because they didnt sell tickets? In public, in 1908, Wilbur went to France and flew 77 miles in his longest flight in which he was in the air for more than 2 hours. That same year Orville did the same thing in Virginia. Curtis never flew an airplane until 1908 and it was junk compared to the Wrights. He flew it 5000 feet? Whoopdy doo. Better? The Wright Flyer III which they used in 1908 was designed and flew for the first time in 1905, they flew 30 miles in 45 minutes that year.

@marcusotxoa

Жыл бұрын

You said: “The Wright's first flew over 5000 feet in 1905 and there were many witnesses, it wasn't "public" because they didnt sell tickets?”. No, it wasn’t public because even the Wright brothers say so in their letter to the Aero Club of America on March 12, 1906 when they sent a report of their flights in Huffman Prairie. The last part of this letter say : “In view of the fact that all of the flights which have been mentioned WERE MADE IN PRIVATE, it is proper that names of persons who witnessed one or more of them should be given. We therefore name: …”, and the Wrights gave the names of 17 witnesses. By the way, the Aero Club did send letters with questionaries about the Wright flights to these 17 witnesses, only 11 answered the questions and sent these answers to the Aero Club of America. So, as you see even the Wrights known the difference between public flights and private flights. Now, on the other hand, the flight of the 4th July, 1908 was in front of about one thousand people, journalists, reporters, photographers, experts of aeronautics of the Aero Club of America and even a motion picture film crew (making the June Bug the first airplane in the United States to perform in a movie). By the way, the event of 4th July, 1908 didn’t sell tickets, it was an open event. You also said: “IN PUBLIC, in 1908, Wilbur went to France and flew 77 miles in his longest flight in which he was in the air for more than 2 hours. That same year Orville did the same thing in Virginia”. Yes, like you said, IN PUBLIC, Wilbur flew more than 2 hours (December 31th, 1908) and Orville flew more than 1 hour (September, 1908), BUT all of these flights were made AFTER the June Bug flight (July 4th, 1908). You also said: “Curtiss never flew an airplane until 1908”. So what, we are talking about the first american public flight over 5000 ft, it is not about Curtiss first flight. You also said: “it was junk compared to the Wrights”. Really? Why? Because you said so? The June Bug had at least three things better than the Wright Flyer. First, the Tricycle landing gear vs the Wrights skids, the former was superior in all aspects, the world aviation soon have being aware of this and since WWI the Tricycle landing gear became standard until these days. Additionally, unlike the Wright Flyer, the June Bug did not need a catapult, took off the ground by its own power. Second, the engine was more powerful than the Wrights, a V-8 air-cooled piston engine, 40 hp Vs. 4-cylinder, inline engine, 20 hp. Third, the ailerons instead of wing-warping. The Wright Flyer advantage was its more efficient propellers and its flight endurance but June Bug was faster than the Wright Flyer (39 M.P.H. vs 35 M.P.H). Additionally, if you don’t know the June Bug made a lot of flights after the 4th July event. The next day Curtiss flew an almost complete circle. Some days later John A. D. McCurdy started to pilote the June Bug, he made several flights,he made circles and finally he made the First figure eight in aviation history on August 29, 1908. This achievement was significant because it demonstrated the aircraft’s ability to maneuver and turn effectively, showcasing advancements in controlled flight. The figure eight maneuver involves flying in a pattern that resembles the number “8”. It requieres precise control and coordination to maintain the desired trajectory. McCurdy’s successful execution of this maneuver in the June Bug marked an important milestone in aviation, highlighting the progress being made in flight control and maneuverability. You also said: “He flew it 5000 feet? Whoopdy doo. Better? The Wright Flyer III which they used in 1908 was designed and flew for the first time in 1905, they flew 30 miles in 45 minutes that year”. 30 miles? 45 minutes? False. According to the Wright brothers themselves Wilbur made the longest flight on October 5, 1905, he flew 24 miles in 38 minutes. This is according to the Wrights because according to the Dayton Daily News of October 6, 1905 the duration of the longest flight was 25 minutes. This newspaper weren’t present at the flight but “reliable witnesses” (as the newspaper put it), presents on the flight of October 5, were interviewed, all of them said 25 minutes. If this was the case, using a simple Rule of Three, the flight distance was 15.8 miles. To avoid any doubt, this Newspaper’s headlines were: “The Flight of a flying Machine”, “Was in the Air Twenty-Five Minutes Thursday Afternoon Near Simms Station”. October 5, 1905 was Thursday and the Newspaper article explained in detail what happened and was very clear that the people interviewed were the people present on Thursday, October 5. For the record, pocket watches were very common in the early 20th century, so, it’s very likely that these witnesses did watch the Wright Flyer time in the air with their pocket watches. As i said before, it hasn’t been an independent verification of the duration and distance traveled of these flights because these flights were not public. So, you can pick 38 minutes if you believe the Wrights or you can pick 25 minutes as the time the Flyer remained in the air if you believe the witnesses.

Great the way this is done. Thanks, and to answer the first; hell yes I would! Why not?

@vulduv

7 жыл бұрын

*slit* *crak!* *fall* *dead*

It was not Bell that put up the money for the AEA, it was his wife Mabel Bell ($20000), and she also chose the people (Selfridge, Curtiss, etc) and conviced A. G. Bell to work with them. Whoever made this video did not do their research, or else is willfully stating false facts.

Yeah, sounds like Americans invented aileron, but how come the word is French? Well, French invented Aileron and using it in gliders like 30 years before these guys!!!!

smithsonian=langley a total failure

This channel doesn't portray the fact that Gustave Whitehead beat the Wrights by over two years, in making the first manned, powered flight of mankind. "Gustave Whitehead: First in Flight" tells all.

@gghhhfghgh

Жыл бұрын

Santos Dumont foi o primeiro a voar em 1901 no mais leve que o ar. Depois voltou suas atenções para o mais pesado que o ar e em 12 de outubro de 1906 fez o vôo inaugurau da aviação no mundo! Glee Curtis fez o primeiro vôo nos Estados Unidos! Os Wright só voaram em 1908

@hyzercreek

Жыл бұрын

Whitehead flew downhill and crashed. He never flew on level ground or take off into the sky. Flying downhill is called GLIDING

@marciacummings1337

Жыл бұрын

@@hyzercreek Who said Whitehead never flew on level ground? You are confusing his flights with the Wrights’. It was the Wrights that needed the near gale force wind and the hill to get off the ground, at least according to their witnesses.

@gwfirstinflight1674

Жыл бұрын

@@marciacummings1337 You are quite right, Marcia! And we saw that played out, didn't we, when the Wright Flyer replica couldn't get off the ground on the 100th anniversary of their alleged flights!

@gwfirstinflight1674

Жыл бұрын

@@hyzercreek I don't know where you got that false info but it is completely wrong.

Wrights might be the ones that invented airplane, but it doesn’t change the fact that they are shysters.

@rickfeng4466

2 жыл бұрын

Hey @Carlos Angel, I agree shyster might not be the most accurate term. But their action did hinder the progression of aviation for decades in the US weren't they? And other than systematically summarized already discovered flight control knowledge into a comprehensive three-axis thesis, they invented nothing new. 20% patent fee, that's worse than Qualcomm tax.

@craigcrosby1656

2 жыл бұрын

@@rickfeng4466 But I love the Qualcomm tax!!! Ex-Qualcomm employee and same hometown as the Wright Bros. So goes life... and the phase I hate, "It is what it is!". America, capitalism, and history are all written by the winners.....unfortunately. I now see how it feels good to win, for no reason of my own and feel superior. LOL

@hyzercreek

Жыл бұрын

So defending one's patent makes you a shyster? What's the point of a patent?

@rickfeng4466

Жыл бұрын

@@hyzercreek Inventors have the merit to profit from patents. Summarizers, or worse, copy from others' findings without giving credit (plagiarizers) don't get to.

@marciacummings1337

Жыл бұрын

Richard Feng, A little research will turn up questionable connections between the judge (Hazel) who gave the Wrights their patent wins and the Wright Company who owned the Wright patent and paid for the lawsuits. The Wright Co. was Vanderbilt et al, and they weren’t accustomed to losing their lawsuits. To equate wing warping that needed a rudder and winglets and ailerons that didn’t was ridiculous. The Wrights’ patent also had many priors that the judge purposely ignored.

Heh yeah,the plane is totally not a copy of the flyer 3 with different control's

There were at least 5 people flew powered aircraft before the write brothers... Does being American make the others unimportant?

@carlosangel3647

2 жыл бұрын

all those 5 people you are talking about, their flights didn't last long and they didn't have full control of them. They flow at the mercy of the wind regardless of their nationality. That's why nobody takes their names in consideration.

@hyzercreek

Жыл бұрын

Seems like you are the only one with a problem with nationality.

@marciacummings1337

Жыл бұрын

@@carlosangel3647 Carlos Angel, who knows how far the Wrights “flew” in 1903? We can only go on what they said. We have proven with mathematics and measurements that the fourth flight picture is a fake. Moreover, they actually didn’t have three way control until later and their pitch control was always terrible. Read about their ‘well digging” when they finally began to try to turn. Time to do your research.

@carlosangel3647

Жыл бұрын

@@marciacummings1337 Everything you are saying is conspiracy trash. I've done my research and people like you are the minority. Go preach crazy talk somewhere else. bye!