Who can guess what happens to the outlet temperature of an ideal gas coming out of a valve?

@trixy8719

2 ай бұрын

the outlet temperature of an ideal gas decreases

@TheDroneOperator.

2 ай бұрын

Couldn't this work as a power plant using some sort of refrigeration cycle on a huge scale in the arctic or something?

@TheReaverOfDarkness

2 ай бұрын

What real gases seem to do is come out at only slightly reduced temperature while it is the liquid in the container which cools drastically.

@bokchoiman

2 ай бұрын

What's an "ideal gas"?

@cybi124

2 ай бұрын

not me

This is one of the best discussions of the Joule-Thompson effect I've seen. Wonderful!

@cybi124

2 ай бұрын

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@ambi_cc8464

2 ай бұрын

@@cybi124e

The gas isn't gasing

@giosuezze

2 ай бұрын

YOU THINK YOU CAN SMOKE ALL MY GAS AND GET AWAY WITH IT?!? -a hood sage

@bengio_10

2 ай бұрын

@@giosuezze maybe

@memories1778

2 ай бұрын

​@@giosuezzeWanna smoke my fart, i haven't pooped for 4 days, u can use it to cook food or use as perfume

@mikayahfox1328

2 ай бұрын

Yes

@Vikanuck

2 ай бұрын

That’s how we ask for Pepto Bismal at the drug store in Canada 😀

You are the best sciece KZreadr, divulgative, you go straight to the point, you don't oversimplify, you don't take yourself too seriously and you always have things to surprise us

@cybi124

2 ай бұрын

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@yaykruser

2 ай бұрын

I wouldnt say the best, there are others that are very good too! Codyslab, Veritassium, Smarter every day, Nile red, braniac etc.

@Auroral_Anomaly

2 ай бұрын

ARE YOU HAVING A STROKE?💀💀

@can_aliens_pls_adopt_me

2 ай бұрын

​@@yaykruserI don't get why he's compared to them, his style of videos are very different. He shows everything as a practical demonstration, hence "Action Lab" and yes the explanations of it can sometimes fly over my head, the experimental observations always stick with you, and the explanation doesn't leave anything out so it can be used as a teaching tool without overly simplifying it as other KZreadrs might do.

@timelessperspective

2 ай бұрын

Agreed!

Chemical engineer here and this is one of the best explanations i have seen here. But all this can be totally changed when mixture of gases come into picture. I deal with hydrogen and even with above 50 mol% of hydrogen and rest being nitrogen and methane when you expand the gas mixture it cools. Thats different story

@patrickbowen9395

2 ай бұрын

What if its only hydrogen and nitrogen? Your comment made my brain shout, " Haber-bosch" and how could this be temp and pressure difference be manipulated in some way to not need "9 gazillion" bars of pressure to produce ammonia.

@navintrg8422

2 ай бұрын

@@patrickbowen9395 still the mixture cools. Newer process of ammonia production has only nitrogen and hydrogen as reactants and they still go to that higher pressure but comparrably lower than conventional ones

@ILI.D.

2 ай бұрын

You can tell he's an Engineer by the fact he used lowercase I when addressing himself

Even with arguably complicated topics you always manage to make the explanation clear and simple enough for anyone to understand. I can’t imagine how much work it takes to read the research papers full of technical jargon and “translate” them in a way that makes sense

The Joule Thompson expansion shows specifically how real gases are different from ideal. An ideal gas would not change temperature when undergoing free expansion, but real gases are sticky from van der waals. Except these rare exceptions. To be very explicit: refrigeration without phase change is only possible because of real gas being imperfect. Excellent video on thermal physics!

@HeyChickens

Ай бұрын

It would also be possible if expansion were to be done without massive turbulence, by reusing that energy to re-compress the expanded gases from the low pressure side of the system. Then your main losses would just be the extra work needed to compress the same volume of air at a warmer temperature vs at a cooler temperature.

@skipper472

Ай бұрын

Refrigeration without phase change is possible even with an ideal gas. Just run the Carnot cycle in reverse...

Never realized that gas expansion could be so complex and useful in medical procedures. Thanks for the deep dive into the topic, learned a lot.

You described Joule-Tomson coefficient better than my Physical Chemistry professor! Absolutely best science youtuber!

The visuals you added in this video is great.

@rasimbot

2 ай бұрын

Audibles are even better

This whole time I was thinking about duster cans as a way of applying this information. I'm glad you mentioned them at the end so I didn't come away with a false conclusion!

Your scientific explanation is superb. Never understood what the concept of enthalpy and learnt something interesting. Absolute gold!

Wow, it’s so nice seeing your video production continue to improve year after year with your popularity and success! I love seeing this channel grow 😁

@Kwint.

2 ай бұрын

Ty babe!

@Amkjmi99

2 ай бұрын

You love this channel? Name every video on this channel!

@NobbsAndVagene

2 ай бұрын

​@@Amkjmi99 foreach video in videos regurgitate video title

@bluestraveler2980

2 ай бұрын

I could not stand the music/sounds, could not watch!

@cybi124

2 ай бұрын

this channel better than teachers so its good

I've watched many of your videos, I just want to say BRILLIANT, I don't always like each one of them but. You do a dam good job in your delivery on most everything I've seen. So.. thanks for your diligence and subject matter, I believe I'm learning great things to know. Peace.

Wow! Saving this video to watch again to integrate full understanding. Thank you for teaching beyond Charles and Boyles laws.

I love the counterintuitive things. One time at CalTech a student in a lecture about hypersonic airflow said to the prof, "But that's counterintuitive". The professor said, "When it comes to hypersonic flow, you have no intuition."

@JustWasted3HoursHere

2 ай бұрын

Reminds me of the famous quantum mechanics saying: "If you think you understand quantum mechanics then you don't." [Richard Feynman]

It really shows the important impact of even the Slightest differences in a given environment. Temperature, density, pressure, charge, etc. Etc.

this is the type of video i subscribed for. amazing video and always happy to learn something new.

Awesome videos like always BUT i resently went on a marathon watching ur older videos and the ideas and things you tried were so cool it felt like i was kiddo again... Feel free to post any crazy videos thx!

Thank you, what an excellent video, clearly explaining the science with observations, and giving it a very real and useful practical example, these videos should be used in schools!

the quality of the videos got so good

This was really great. Thanks for the amazing content

this is one of your harder videos to understand. great jobs explaining

Yo i love the editing on this vid. Good job!

Finally a clean explanation of the Joule-Thompson coefficient/effect.

Idk why but I am getting info about things right after or after sometime I study them in my classes. It has happened to me at least 10-12 times. Example my chemistry sir taught the states of matter and explained us ideal gas, real gas you have explained it a little better but as I have studied it so my info has been set in stone thanka

this is probably (no pun intended) your coolest video yet!

Brilliant video! One thing to improve on would have been to explain inversion temperature which you indirectly mentioned but would have been useful to go into it in a little bit of depth to fully explain the concept here. Thanks

I never knew this was a thing! I like learning new things. Thank you.

An excellent story, well told! I have been teaching ideal gas laws to students for over 10 years and this is going to help me teach real gases better. Thanks!

excellent explanation of Joule-Thomson effect.

That's fascinating, thank you.

Awesome, I learnt joule Thompson effect in chemistry, but helium and some other gases were exceptions. Good to see it practically.

That was great, felt like I learned something today!

i work for oil and gas industry and we use this a lot (really a lot, arround 120 tons/h). We use some light hidrocarbons (C2/C3) im the cicle compression-cooling-expansion for a few times to reach -100Cº, and the JT effect will help to isolate H2 from C1, 90% of all oil polimers (PP/PVC/ and many others) start to take shape with this.. so almost everything cool you have today make use of this phenomena. I knew how it worked , but never been able to fully explain it to new workers. Thanks to this video i am fully capable of

Wow! This is super cool! I had no idea this was a thing!

I’ve learned something! Very interesting and well explained.

Dang it, I keep learning stuff when I watch your channel!

Excellent video!

Add longer fade-in / fade-out ramps to the mood music snippets to make it feel less jarring. Nice addition.

Every video lets me learn new things Thank you 💖.

I want more of these videos about things I actually have never heard about before, not the usual science facts that are covered by every other science channel over and over.

Excellent. Thank you.

I love how you edit pauses just enough for me to mentally guess and then be like ohh yeah, that makes more sense when you explain shortly after asking a question.

Thank you for this.

Thank you. I worked on ships in engine room. The exhaust gas from main engine has temperature sensors all along its path. I never understood why the temperature went up at 1 point as it expanded. Got it now

1. The Video quality improved a lot 💯 2. I was wondering why H,HeNe heated up instead of being cold (I was too lazy to read all these complex words in the text book for morethan a year ). Thank you for making a video on this topic.

@benjaminmargulies1853

2 ай бұрын

all happen to be lighter than air

Never knew about the mechanism for Argon/Helium cryoablation, neat!

Very nice and well explained 👍

Always love your videos! Sometimes I play them at .25 speed. It makes you look like you’re drunk! I’m easily amused!!

It forgot how to gas.

New editing! New editing?! Nice! Its like a new season of the action lab, thats so cool hah

Why wasn't this taught to me in school?! Thank u so much!

This was so interesting to know.

Any chance you got the video idea from my recent post in ELI5 about the same topic and cryoablation? If you did, thats awesome! Glad you shared this amazing medical procedure.

Very interesting and useful.

This one really blew my mind

Wow that was good I always thought that down to the atom the faster the vibrate the hotter they are and that's what makes heat so when you compress them it slows down the vibration and that makes them colder but how you show it I guess that isn't right. Thanks for your video. Good job.

Great topic

Learn something everyday..Very nice.

Very informative! Also: Thank you for not using AI generated images for this video! (weird that I have say this, but most channels go the AI content farm route and it's depressing)

I was guessing Helium in the intro, and I got it right! My physics class is paying off, now I can properly pretend to be smart on the internet!

Amazing! When some people ask why learning physics!

4:09 Slightly attracted to eachother, or repelled, with music from Carmen. Perfectly on point!

Thanks!

Very Interesting...

jesus, you went ham on the SFX this time.

Cool video. One remark: the availalbe helium on earth is practically finite. We should use it accordingly for medicine, science,... and not waste it on bloons at parties and similar stuff.

0:57 No, it just means you equalized the pressure between the 2 containers. The volume of 9g of air is the combined volume of both containers + tube. With the way you said this, you'd have to vacuum out the air from the smaller container instead of just connecting them with a tube. Edit: Quoting what he said: "Since I vacuum the air out of this [pointing at the *larger* ] container, if I just connect the two, then all of the air from this [touching the *smaller* ] container will now *mix between the two* ". The pressure in the system he made is equalized between BOTH containers connected by the tube. In order for the LARGER container to get all of the 9g of air, he'd have to use a vacuum device INSIDE the already vacuumed larger container to suck all of the air out of the smaller container to make the smaller container a vacuum now (aka no air).

@koharaisevo3666

2 ай бұрын

That's what he said though? "since I vacuum the air out of this container if I just connect the two then all the air from this container will now mix between the two and now this will be the volume of nine grams of air"

@zecuse

2 ай бұрын

@isevo3666 He said "Since I vacuum the air out of this [pointing at the *larger* ] container". Next he said "If I just connect the two, then all of the air from this [touching the *smaller* ] container will now mix *between* the two". The *larger* container does NOT contain 9g of air given what he said! The way he said and performed all of this describes *equalizing* the air between BOTH containers. That means BOTH containers (+ the tube) contain the 9g of air, NOT that ONLY the larger container has all 9g of air.

Could you try performing the communicating vessels experiment inside the vacuum chamber as what keeps them aligned is the atmospheric pressure so this experiment would prove it and you could try involving other phenomena and properties related to that experiment

INTERESTING 😊

Very interesting, but you don't need an exotic effect like this to cause localized heating and cooling of a spot. It could be done by alternating hot and cold flowing brine, or by electrical resistance heating combined with a cooling fluid, or by periodically reversing the current flow through one junction of a thermocouple. So this innovation in surgery is just a way to get a patent.

Now that was very interesting, I couldn't process why a gas would cool, my only thought was that in some way under certain pressures the gas may have more degrees of freedom, more places to store energy other than through movement (kinetic energy), and by releasing to the air you lower the degrees of freedom hence transferring that energy to kinetic energy.

I learned something!

Really good explained, you have definitely improved over the years.

What a good video :)

I just had a cryogenic nerve ablation where they shot nitrous at nerves to create ice balls around nerve and ablate outer part of nerve, cutting off pain signal.

I love this channel

awesome

I wish professors could have explained that part of chemistry (physikalische chemie) in this manner to me back when I studied chemistry 20 years ago.

Actually all matter has a definite volume, but that volume is always defined in relation to the environment it's in. Now the magnified effect of the environment is going to be greater on gas as opposed to solid, but the pressure in the surrounding environment is always going to be what defines that volume. If you change the temperature of any gas, liquid, or solid it will expand or contract accordingly. Thus changing its volume.

Please make a detailed video on demonstration and explanation of the super cool phenomenon called "Sonoluminescence

Great video! My question is: why I have a physics degree and never heard about this effect???

Physics is so dynamically complex. lol.. I love it

If possible can you try an experiment that I came up with. The things you need are an empty room, a light source and you inside the room. What I have in mind is that , when the light source is turned on you are able to see the walls of the room because they reflect light from the light source. But what if we make the surface of the walls so imperfect that in whatever direction light may hit the wall it does not get reflected to atleast a single point in the room. Which means if you observe the room from that point, even if there is a light source in that room, you would not be able to see anything like the wall and the ceiling in the room.

My only note is that it might have been good to mention early on that temperature is a measure of the energy of the molecules giggling around.

Will the system under compression, entropy increases or decreases? Entropy is a measurement of randomness. Randomness can be anything among atoms from being different in atom's orientation or spin. Calling out a combination. If this is so then combination depends on temperature provoke by compression and expansion.

This just made it more complex for me

Great

looking smart sir

Can temperature change be defined by flow of gas from the high pressure to low presssure. Applying fluid mechanics. Where pressure is great velocity is low. With this prespective, when molecules from valve opens and starts to spread. So, pressure is low outside and high inside the valve,shouldn't the velocity of any gas increase after opening the valve?

Does the Joule-Thompson Coeficient correlate with the speed of sound in the compressed gas?

All gasses cool as they expand at lower temperatures and heat when they expand at high temperatures. The temperature where the gas switches from cooling to heating is called its Joule-Thomson inversion temperature. For hydrogen and helium, they are already above their J-T inversion temperature at room temperature so they heat up while all other gasses cool. The JT inversion temperature for nitrogen is 621 K or 348°C.

@carultch

2 ай бұрын

Only if they expand isenthalpically, instead of isentropically.

Thanks for a great video...however I have some questions: @4.44 you say the "attractive forces are huge compared to the molecules".....if either nitrogen or helium is under placed under pressure in a confined volume, would it be true to say repulsive forces will exist between the gas molecules, causing them to want to move apart once released? Or put another way: when a gas is pressurized, on average, repulsive forces outweigh whatever attractive forces there might be. My second question: is the heating of helium local (at the throttle point), or does the entire system heat up (the bottle, the throttle and the discharged volume)?

Please explore the Mpemba effect, please!!

hey @TheActionLab, is this potential energy also responsible as to why supersonic flow speeds up in a (converging-)diverging nozzle?

Now this is an actual practical explanation which should have been done in the Thermodynamics class

Has the Joules Thompson coefficient ever been used in supernova calculations? I remember seeing something that scientists aren't sure how certain post-nova objects seem to gain heat the further away from the explosion source: could this possibly be explained away by such high temperatures that the pressure decrease increases the temperature? This one much more abstract: what if a similar coefficient could be applied to space-time and gravity, explaining potentially the dark matter or dark energy problem?

Like we slow air down bi led and nanoparticles in the air as there colective cohesion as resistance of thentional diverentional displacemends for the air speed to slow down and trees starts leaking from there wast as the speed is to slow to container trees and we see rising forest fires is a simular triggering evend

You could basically build a high school chemistry and physics curriculum with all of these videos!