Fun fact: Likely due to his large persecution of the Christians, Diocletian was the last person to be recognized as Pharaoh by the last followers of the Ancient Egyptian religion. The last Hieroglyphic inscription was carved in 394 CE, and was specifically dedicated to Year 110 of Pharaoh Diocletian, showing that these last remaining followers of the Ancient Egyptian religion in Philae refused to recognize any emperor after Diocletian as Pharaoh. By this time, most of Egypt had converted to Christianity, so this inscription gives us a unique perspective on the decline of Ancient Egypt...

@yonathanrakau1783

3 жыл бұрын

Ancient egypt were already in decline anyway, its nation has been occupied for hundreds of years from persian to greek to roman thats the reason why their culture faded away

@angusyang5917

3 жыл бұрын

Not exactly true, Maximian (who was not as pro-Christian as portrayed in this video), Galerius, and Maximinus Daia (caesar, later augustus, who would succeed Galerius), were all acclaimed as pharaohs, all of whom were fiercely anti-Christian and pagan.

@GreenArt4

3 жыл бұрын

@@angusyang5917 That's true, Maximinus Daia was the last person to be given the title during his lifetime (He died in 313). Nevertheless, the last hieroglyphic and demotic inscriptions by the Egyptian priests, which were made many decades after these guys' deaths, all date them by Diocletian's reign. Retroactively at least, he was the last person they considered a legitimate Pharaoh.

@wasneeplus

3 жыл бұрын

That's.... really interesting, thanks!

@GreenArt4

3 жыл бұрын

@@wasneeplus No problem. Pharaonic history is an amazing topic :)

"He wouldn't dare suggest I replace the peace and happiness of this place, with the storms of a never satisfied greed." My god that is a powerful line.

@Gorboduc

4 жыл бұрын

Cabbages are one hell of a drug.

@abthedragon4921

4 жыл бұрын

@@Gorboduc 😆

@XeranDereth

4 жыл бұрын

@@Gorboduc Wild cabbages in fact produce a form of painkiller similar in quality to latex, so depending on what kind of cabbage he was growing they could have been drugs.

@XeranDereth

4 жыл бұрын

@@Gorboduc Wait no I'm thinking of wild lettuce.

@stinkytoy

2 жыл бұрын

@@XeranDereth Too late, I'm high on cabbage

Diocletian: MY CABBAGES!!!

@abthedragon4921

4 жыл бұрын

Good one!

@icebeam23860

4 жыл бұрын

Somebody Offscreen: "Get up off of that man's cabbages!"

@zahariburgess3660

4 жыл бұрын

i was looking for a comment like this

@grfu08

4 жыл бұрын

The real MVP, right here.

@EloiFL

4 жыл бұрын

_Perfection_

"Farming? Really? Man of your talents?" Diocleation: "It's a peceful life"

@dariobarboni9276

4 жыл бұрын

To be fair that was the Roman standard during the republic . You just serve rome as a soldier for 20 years, then they gave you a piece of land and you become a farmer. This is awesome in my opinion.

@Hortifox_the_gardener

4 жыл бұрын

Dario Barboni - hence explaining the constant need for expansion. Where else to get the land?

@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681

3 жыл бұрын

See those heads of cabbages on the ground? You like them? They make you smile? Me too. As long as this smile stays on my face, your head doesnt join them. Keep smiling, farmers life is a happy life, yes?

@ogi9800

3 жыл бұрын

May the force be with you

Diocletian, in his final years: “I’m too old for all this mess”.

@dariobarboni9276

4 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah. Men of culture

@vleedingrainboom3618

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447

3 жыл бұрын

I'm getting too old for this shit!

@eaglewarrior7979

3 жыл бұрын

I’m to old for this stercore. Latin for s)$&

@pbj4184

3 жыл бұрын

The mess he was partially responsible for!

I know that I am pointing out something that probably 99.9% of people don't care, but Constantine is this episode has a different haircut to the one in the Early Christian Schism series.

@andreaswidham3607

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah! Can you imagine that? A person having TWO different haircuts during his life?! That's just silly.

@a.h.tvideomapping4293

4 жыл бұрын

#BoycottExtraCredits they are so inconsistent!!!

@gingerale2131

4 жыл бұрын

*PURGE THE ANIMATORS!*

@Tuning3434

4 жыл бұрын

OK , ROBERT! Start working on the excuses! This is even worse than the flags!

@matiasclark7840

4 жыл бұрын

It is obvious that Walpole cut his hair

"If you could show the cabbage that I planted with my own hands to your emperor, he definitely wouldn't dare suggest that I replace the peace and happiness of this place with the storms of a never-satisfied greed."-Diocletian while his firends were killing each other and ruining his work until they all died and then killed himself.

@4idenn

3 жыл бұрын

Goes to show you, life's a crazy bag of marbles.

@anadaere6861

2 жыл бұрын

@@4idenn something something "Did marbles hurt you"

@4idenn

2 жыл бұрын

@@anadaere6861 No kiddo, I hurt me... I also hurt marbles I feel worse about the marbles

@anadaere6861

2 жыл бұрын

@@4idenn in an alternate timeline There's a Extra History episode towards Kiritsugu and an extra history episode towards abridged Kiritsugu

The irony when the tomb of Diocletian is now a Christian cathedral

@Oxtocoatl13

4 жыл бұрын

Christians took it over and dumped his corpse into the river. It's fitting, I dare say.

@johnohara4788

3 жыл бұрын

Imagining dunking on a dead man that hard lol

@crediblesalamander8056

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnohara4788 That was pretty much standard practice for anyone even slightly controversial in Rome.

@eyeofthepyramid2596

3 жыл бұрын

Finally we converted Dioclectian

@mookosh

3 жыл бұрын

@@eyeofthepyramid2596 converted him into a duck

Interesting to see the Roman version of motivational posters, wonder how many Roman housewives had "Vivere, Ridere, Amare" mosaics in their villas

@kokuinomusume

4 жыл бұрын

A M _O_ R

@FalbertForester

4 жыл бұрын

I'm hoping that the digging at Pompeii will turn up a mosaic of a kitten hanging from a branch, with the equivalent of "Hang in there!"

@anakinvader9120

2 жыл бұрын

Lmaooo

@Technobabylon

2 жыл бұрын

Vos tacebitis et iens

I've been to Diocletian's retirement palace. Its a beautiful place. After his death, Christian refuges moved in and turned it into a small town. Over the centuries, it's evolved into a city: Split, Croatia, one of the most beautiful cities I've ever been to. Someday I hope to return there.

@miacorliss1151

Жыл бұрын

Split is indeed beautiful, I hadn't drawn the connection myself between where Diocletian retired and the town I visited! I will have to remember for the next time I visit.

I love how Maximian looks like an annoyed dad at Chuck E. Cheese with his kids.

The romans, like almost any ancient people, were deeply religious and thought their gods ingrained into their culture and state. Not paying at least lipservice to their deities was equivalent to not accepting the Roman state as a whole. It is somewhat akin to how nationalistic states get very angry about people who ignore national celebrations, like national hymns or harming a national flag.

@joellaz9836

3 жыл бұрын

Hannes Geberzahn I heard they thought Christians were atheists cause they worshiped only one god.

@Falcopa12

3 жыл бұрын

Or being a socialist.

@hangebza6625

3 жыл бұрын

@@joellaz9836 that I am not aware of. Romans had plenty of contacts with monotheism, e.g. through the judaic population and through some philosophical schools. But as long as you publicly followed certain practices, and thus proved youe loyalty to the Roman state, you were allowed to believe many things in private. But there are accounts that some people thought Christians are cannibals, because of the "this bread be his body this wine be his blood" last supper rites, coupled with thr secretive nature of the first Christian groups. How widespread such believes are, or if they were blunt inventions I cannot say. But cannibalism was a HUGE taboo in greco-roman societies. So anti-christian propaganda could have contained such accusations.

@NAYRUthunder99

3 жыл бұрын

@@Falcopa12 /r whoosh

@LarsPallesen

3 жыл бұрын

@@joellaz9836 How does worshipping only one god make you an atheist? That just makes you a monotheist.

Given how briefly the last few of them have lasted, being able to RETIRE from being a Roman emperor seems to go farm cabbages seems like the ultimate power move

There are a few theories as to why the West of the Empire didn't have as many persecutions. One of them that the Emperors, mostly Constantius himself was already a Christian or at least sympathetic, so he did as minimum a job as possible. Another one states that quite simply, there were not as many Christians in the West as there were in the East of the Empire. Not to mention the Center of the Christian world at the time was the Eastern Empire and not the West. And the West had to deal with completely different problems compared to the east. So the Western Emperors probably did not see the whole thing as THAT big of a problem as Diocletian saw it to be.

@angusyang5917

3 жыл бұрын

No surprise that Constantius, the least persecution-happy of the tetrarchs would be succeeded by a son who legalized Christianity and became baptized on his deathbed.

@genghiskhan5701

Жыл бұрын

Constantius already took Helena, a Christian, as his wife and had her raise Constantine.

@RagnaCloud13

10 ай бұрын

Constantius be like to Diocletian: If you have Christian Legionnaire, let me have them to avoid the persecution

I remember in my theology class in high school we talked about how after Diocletian's persecution. The Christians fiercely debated whether those who publicly renounced their faith and continued in private should be allowed back in or not.

@Gorboduc

4 жыл бұрын

Yep, called Novatianism at first, then made a comeback called Donatism.

@redtutel

4 жыл бұрын

Peter himself did, and he redeemed himself for it.

@jeremykiahsobyk102

4 жыл бұрын

"When in Rome..."

@fakkajohan

4 жыл бұрын

you had theology class in high school???

@xXxSkyViperxXx

4 жыл бұрын

@@fakkajohan maybe it was just another name for a sort of christian education class. in my christian school, preschool to highschool always had a sort of christian education sort of class different schools all called it differently as. in my school, we always called it bible class or then later, the school just made sure everyone knew it was called CE class

The issue of Christians (especially the clergy) surviving persecutions by giving false renunciations of faith and handing over the holy books, even the "less important" ones, became a huge controversy in the Church when the persecutions ended, contributing to one of the major schisms/heresies of that period. Look up 'Donatism' for more details. Edit: BTW, it was one of the better series (not that there are any bad Extra History series).

@angusyang5917

3 жыл бұрын

"not there are any bad Extra History series" Suleiman the Magnificent: yes, definitely, there are no bad series, especially the one on me :)

@Belianaria8213

8 ай бұрын

That depends on who you are getting that information from

The last time I was this early, Romans were talking about this Jewish king in Israel

@robertjarman3703

4 жыл бұрын

Jesus is not described as a present king over anything in Judea in his life time.

@a.h.tvideomapping4293

4 жыл бұрын

Robert Jarman bro it’s a joke.

@angrymumlukwarrior2249

4 жыл бұрын

Do you mean palestine

@terner1234

4 жыл бұрын

@@angrymumlukwarrior2249 לא הוא לא

@robertjarman3703

4 жыл бұрын

@@angrymumlukwarrior2249 That was the Roman name of the place it gave after the Seige of Jerusalem in 70 CE.

Title card: shows a Roman next to a cross Me: *wait that’s Illegal*

@DanielGalimidi

4 жыл бұрын

Constantine: I'll make it legal.

@Archon3960

4 жыл бұрын

@@DanielGalimidi Theodosius: "And for my next trick, I'll split the Empire in twain permanently." Other Past Emperors: "OMFGods, nooo!!"

@devonprough3690

4 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't the cross just be a tool to a roman just like a guillotine to a frenchman.

@JamesSarantidis

3 жыл бұрын

@@devonprough3690 Imagine a new religion appearing in our times, idolizing guillotines and stuff. Brutal!

@kevin8712

5 ай бұрын

​@@Archon3960 Theodosius: (dies) Honorius and Arcadius: *Now this looks like a job for me!*

Diocletian's retirement palace in Split is really a sight to see. Went there a few years ago expecting to find Roman ruins in the Old Town of Split... But it's the other way around. Split was founded by people who took refuge inside the abandoned palace walls. The Old Town is entirely within Diocletian's palace.

Wealthy and powerful begin converting to Christianity Dioclecian: "We need to stop this!" Constantine the Great: "I'm going to do what's called a pro-gamer move."

@Blazo_Djurovic

4 жыл бұрын

Literally Constantine: Why venerate all these gods when I could go all in on ONE God to grant me victory. But which to pick...

@afriendlymedic1927

4 жыл бұрын

By this sign, Conquer

@offduty23

4 жыл бұрын

"En hoc signo Vinci" and "One God, One Faith, One Empire" are pretty sick campaign slogans.

@Blazo_Djurovic

4 жыл бұрын

@@offduty23 You mean pretty slick and sweet, right

@RagnaCloud13

11 ай бұрын

​@handrii2958 Constantius: just leave my son alone. He can lead well. Constantine: you don't dare touch my mom

Christians: "We don't engage in man made wars, we are pacifists." Constantine: "It's syncretism time!" Christians: "Wait, wat?"

@AlwaysDecent

4 жыл бұрын

Elijah the warrior prophet was not a pacifist neither was Jesus when someone lied directly to Jesus about stealing funds that could have gone to the church they died immediately both the husband and wife they just fell dead sent directly to hell smited.

@insaneweasel1

4 жыл бұрын

@@AlwaysDecent how Christian of him.

@MazaAzi

4 жыл бұрын

OG Christians: "we are pacifists" Crusaders, Teutonic Order, Extremists, most people in a """Christian""" Cult: "Paci what?"

@sorcierenoire8651

4 жыл бұрын

@@insaneweasel1 pardon?

@htoodoh5770

4 жыл бұрын

@@insaneweasel1 Christian desire peace but doesn't mean they are pacifist.

Diocletian great persecution was so fierce that the coptic calendar (which basically the same as the ancient egyptian calendar) later adopted the first year of Diocletian reign as the first year of the martyrs calendar which still the official calendar of the coptic orthodox church till this day. It is the year 1736 of martyrs !

Christians: exist Diocletian: *n o*

@TheRmbomo

4 жыл бұрын

The issue was that it wasn't just that Christians existed, they actively defied the society around them until their negative reputation carried on the persecution beyond their actions.

@devonstamback1119

4 жыл бұрын

Can u don't

@stevemcgroob4446

4 жыл бұрын

Christians: How bout I do anyway?

@Blazo_Djurovic

4 жыл бұрын

Constantine: Oh but yeeeessss. I especially like that one God bit, since that implies I should be one Emperor.

@LiveLNXgaming

4 жыл бұрын

pitty that didn't work out

Poor Ahmed Ziad Turk, having his name pronounced wrong every single time.

@a.h.tvideomapping4293

4 жыл бұрын

Him after watching Matt pronouncing his name 😿👍

@cd8048

4 жыл бұрын

It's good enough, actually. Just the 'h' is a bit too silent

@MerkhVision

4 жыл бұрын

Whats wrong with their pronunciation? How is it supposed to be?

@xXxSkyViperxXx

4 жыл бұрын

just curious, how is it supposed to be?

@fatimaalaa2659

4 жыл бұрын

Judging by his name, he's probably Turkish, and I've heard a lot of Turks pronounce "Ahmed" the same way he does

"God buries His workmen but carries on His work". ~Charles Wesley

@wongijen9167

2 жыл бұрын

Based Methodist

off topic, but i have to thank you, i recently got out of the military and ive been having a difficult time, and you give me smiles for my day amd your videos make me happy i love the animation, thank you so much for what you do. stay safe and keep it up, thank you again so much

i love that saying "sometimes interesting problems have boring solutions" 5:25

"Thing's weren't getting better, but they weren't getting worse!" *earlier in the video* "Plunged into another civil war!" What's worse to a nation than civil war?

@matthewbrandin6947

4 жыл бұрын

Rome was always having civil wars, the populous was somewhat used to it - generals would fight each other in small battles, and assassinations would occur palaces, but the majority of the population was unaffected by these power grabbing moves. "Civil War" in this case means a war between two guys and their respective armies, not two halves of the population, as we imagine Civil Wars today

@MrEntinen

4 жыл бұрын

How is being in acivil war worse than rome's status quo, being in civil war

@nituldeshptha99

4 жыл бұрын

the only thing worse than a civil war is two civil wars!

@Blazo_Djurovic

4 жыл бұрын

Also there was a sort of a Darwinian idea among some people that this is a good thing, since the winner would be the competent one. One of the greatest Roman Emperors Hadrian seems to have thought the same and would not name an hair expecting people to fight for his position and for best man to win. He was outmanouvered in that by his wife who likely forged his will to make one of the most promising officers of his into his heir. And she pretty much hit the nail on the head with this one.

@JasonDoe1000

4 жыл бұрын

@@Blazo_Djurovic That would be Trajan Hadrian did chose an heir (Antonius Pius) and even chose an heir for his heir (Marcus Aurelius)

I demand we now call every period of succession crisis, civil war, and general disorder in the empire as "Rome was NOT in neat little rows."

"a man who would turn back the clock to a glorified past that existed largely in his imagination rather than fact" Empires rise and fall, but some things always stay the same. I kid you not, one of my video recommendations on this video is Tucker Carlson's "when do we get america back?"

@BIONICLECLAYPOKEMON

4 жыл бұрын

Ah... Tucker _"I hated looking at the stupid peasants from my childhood Castle"_ Carlson. Such a tool.

@hdrodic

4 жыл бұрын

He wanted to "Make Rome Great Again"

@alexsanz231

4 жыл бұрын

@@NotThatJojjo Well just look at Biden lmfao

@DragoniteSpam

4 жыл бұрын

It took exactly two replies to this comment for you guys to turn this thread into a complaint box against the Democratic ticket. Congratulations.

@semkoops

4 жыл бұрын

Well, the USA was richer, had less debt and a smaller wealth gap in the mid 20th century than in 2020, from what I read. It makes sense to miss 'the old America' on the one hand but on the other hand... there was segregation, Jim Crow laws, more inequality between men and women, etc. It depends on how you look at it and to what demographic you belong / what your sex is (and many other factors, of course).

This has been my favorite series yet. This series was just so good.

I would love a full episode about the Manichaeans you briefly mention here. It was a fascinating Syncretism of Zoroastrianism, Christianity, Buddhism, and Gnosticism. 3:16

@LarsPallesen

3 жыл бұрын

I'll second that motion. Never heard of them before.

Hard to swallow pills: You will never be able to help Diocletian grow his magnificent cabbages.

We should Remember to give Thanks to Aurelian, the Dreamer who's dream we now live.

@Conorp77

4 жыл бұрын

The restorer of the world, who died taking a piss

@a.h.tvideomapping4293

4 жыл бұрын

Melodic Meerkat I can relate Just without the “Restorer of the World” and “Died” parts

@codysing1223

4 жыл бұрын

His desire for one Empire, one God, one Emperor. He helped the Roman people along the way to Monotheism. he protected Civilization from absolute collapse. Rome should have fallen there and then, the Alamani, The pretender Emperor's, and many other obstacles may have been too much for a weaker/incompetent Imperator. Aurelian was the Pyre that the Pagan Roman world collapsed around. in its ashes shined a new Light, one of togetherness and appreciation. Civilization still survives, and the writings survived in the Churches that even foreigners and conquerors of Rome could not destroy. Without his dream, we may have never have even known his or any Roman's name, perhaps the invaders would have just looted and destroyed all the Temples... thusly The Knowledge of Rome itself and what it accomplishes. The Dream I speak of is the dream so many leaders and generals have had throughout history, To remake the world in their ideal imagine, to put the world back together with your own hands. Aurelian truly earned his Title Restorer of the World.

@codysing1223

4 жыл бұрын

Theres worse ways to go! Aurelian got to feel the pleasure of emptying his bladder one last time (feelsgoodman) then surprised and killed. Like Caesar said the night before he died...when asked how he would prefer to die over drinks with one of the conspirators (a close and trusted senator at the time) "Suddenly and unexpectedly"

Extra history has taught me more than school ever will .

@theguywithnomustache

4 жыл бұрын

Yep

@christian_swjy

4 жыл бұрын

That's the reason why it's called Extra History

@andrewcherry3058

4 жыл бұрын

I agree but technically it is a form of school

@andrewcherry3058

4 жыл бұрын

I agree but technically it is a form of school

@pseudonym9599

4 жыл бұрын

Speaking for many History teachers, If the system stopped making us teach 1000 years of history in 90-180 days, and if Kyle would stop setting the textbooks on fire, then yes, everyone would learn more in class. I often want to go into greater depth but am constrained by the system in place. Thankfully we have the internet and college to fill the gaps.

“Judaism was respected” *Hadrian laughs*

@Blazo_Djurovic

4 жыл бұрын

Well, to be fair to Romans, their two most rebellious and troublesome provinces tended to be Judea and Britania... The fact that they didn't put the entire nation to the sword the first time they rebelled, as they were very capable and willing to do when pacifying, speaks of their restraint.

@seeyouchump

4 жыл бұрын

Not only Hadrian.

@gustavfrye2736

4 жыл бұрын

you can't respect someone who starts a rebellion in your empire

@InfiniteA1E

4 жыл бұрын

@@seeyouchump he was the one that did em' in the most.

@89Crono

3 жыл бұрын

@@InfiniteA1E If I remember didn't the full slaughter start with a disobeying of orders. Hadrian had ordered the troops sent in to leave a specific temple alone they didn't and when everyone ended up dead, Hadrian, just kind of shrugged and said, "Now is as good a time as any to make it more Greek"

Funny thing about the Great Fire of Rome, Nero was wrong. It wasn’t the Christians who started the fire, but rather it started by accident. Before the outbreak of the fire, Rome was largely made of wood, and fires were a common hazard. There were 44 major fires in Rome between 31 BCE and 425 CE. Since Augustus’ reign, Rome was divided into 14 districts, with each district being watched by a cohort of firefighters. The fire that destroyed Rome in 64 CE actually began in one of the shops or food stalls that were around the perimeter of the Circus Maximus. On that hot summer night, the stocks of olive oil and flammable goods were often the most common cause of fires. And Tacitus tells us that the fire broke out anew in the Aemiliana District, destroying the Theatre of Taurus. Most of the city was not touched, but the historic centre was destroyed. Tacitus perversely introduces that the second outbreak was on the estate of Offonius Tigellinus, Nero’s praetorian prefect. In reality, Nero was just as much a victim of the fire. Instead of just playing the lyre while Rome burned, Tacitus actually reveals that information was just a rumour, and that, in reality, as soon as Nero heard of the fire while at Antium, he raced back to Rome and began directing firefighting efforts. The fire stopped at Esquiline Hill, when ballistae destroyed warehouses and other buildings to create fire breaks. Nero also had temporary shelters made in his private gardens and on the Field of Mars. After the fire, he prohibited looting, cleared away the rubble and had grain barges dump it in Ostia. He also immediately began reconstruction on the city, with all the buildings made from marble and stone, so as to lessen the danger of fire. All the new building regulations were designed to make Rome a more appealing and attractive city. After the fire, life for most Romans went on as usual. Even Tacitus admits that a “more beautiful city” emerged after the fire. Yet the renovations were hugely expensive, and Nero even robbed the temples of their treasures to fund the building projects, and even devalued the currency of the empire. The aristocracy was hugely resentful of this, but there were no persecutions of Christians. Nero was particularly squeamish. He hated bloodshed and preferred more creative distractions. Under Nero, the Roman Empire experienced a flourishing of art and literature; he was also a huge philhellene, doing his best to integrate the Greeks and their culture into Roman culture. Developments in architecture and art during his reign were innovative and withstood the tests of time, and this was the motivation for the Renaissance. He was one of the emperors that was popular with the common people, but the Senate saw him as a complete disgrace, as their views did not line up with his own. The stories of Nero blaming and persecuting Christians only emerged in the 4th and 5th centuries, when Christianity had gained some legal status in the Roman Empire. In reality, Nero was seen as a weak, effeminate and cowardly emperor, much like the Ancient Roman equivalent of Medieval English Kings: Richard II and Henry VI. This made Nero seen as unfavourable to the aristocratic Roman traditionalists.

@prestonjones1653

3 жыл бұрын

Also, there are some theories that Nero had become a Jew, and that later Christians just wanted to make him seem worse because of that.

@joshcain1032

3 жыл бұрын

Nero never believed that the Christians started the fire- they were just a convenient scapegoat to stop people from (probably unfairly) blaming him.

Great stuff as always. Inspirational!

2:07 Kinda surprised that Extra Credits would commit a mistake like this, not portraying Nero as the blond waifu that she was

@Lionstar16

4 жыл бұрын

They've done mistakes like this before - in one video, they portrayed Henry VIII with dark brown hair and not his famous red hair

@artycuen3572

4 жыл бұрын

She??

@Blazo_Djurovic

4 жыл бұрын

@@artycuen3572 Google "Nero FGO" and be culturally elevated.

@idioticproductions4000

3 жыл бұрын

What the! I...I’m not sure what to make of this

Diocletian announcing his retirement: Alright guys, it's been fun but I'm going to split now

"Diocletian saw himself as a restorer. A man who would turn back the clock to a glorified Roman past that existed largely in his imagination, rather than fact." This seems... awful familiar.....

@NAYRUthunder99

3 жыл бұрын

"Make Rome great again!" - the chad Benito (It didn't work)

Hey all, I’m sure this won’t get seen but I wanted to mention how much of a positive influence this channel has had on my life. They introduced me to my favorite historical figure (Gaius Gracchus), but they have also truly inspired me to one day be so historically important that people will make videos like this about me.

@coleyeager6404

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Diocletian eating his last cabbage, dying happily knowing the Christians have been vanquished and that his name will be cherished by all who live in that eternal empire forever.

@carlosmedina1281

4 жыл бұрын

Lol imagine if he learned that Christianity would end up being the official religion of the Empire

@michaelfisher7170

3 жыл бұрын

He actually died miserably. His wife and daughter were held hostage at the court of the eastern Caesar, Daia, and he couldn't get them released. And he had to watch his tetrarchic system fall apart around him. His abdication may have been admirable, but it left him irrelevant.

@GrandTemplarVigilant

3 жыл бұрын

Then his tomb was converted to a cathedral and his body dumped in a river

@daveunbelievable6313

3 жыл бұрын

@@GrandTemplarVigilant thats kinda funny

@spartanx9293

3 жыл бұрын

His body got chucked in the Tiber

Diocletian's motto must be "Make Rome Great Again"

@connorstephens4354

3 жыл бұрын

Nah that was Aurelianus

If Christians wanted they could have carried out an armed revolt, but the Christians at that time did not, and stayed true to their faith, unlike the latter ones who launched crusades, inquisitions, wiping out native culture, all in the name of Jesus. The first 300 formative years of our faith was mostly true to the teachings of Jesus. But after that, everything went downhill. Jesus did not fail us, we failed him.

Moral of the story: If your system of succession depends on appointing your successor, make sure the person you select is heirless, a eunuch, and loyal to you. So many succession crisises could have been avoided if heirs were appointed publicly with this rules in mind.

@lucasbeck1391

3 жыл бұрын

Yes because they were easy to find

@Detahramet

3 жыл бұрын

@@lucasbeck1391 They aren't too hard to make.

@lucasbeck1391

3 жыл бұрын

@@Detahramet kinda hard to keep loyal then

5:30 Sometimes boring problems have interesting solutions

0:49 and he would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for those meddling christians

@Belianaria8213

8 ай бұрын

😅 Christianity will never die

Christians: *IS LOVING JESUS LEGAL YET?* Diocletian: No. Christians: *HOW ABOUT I DO ANYWAY?* Diocletian: So you have chosen death. Christians: Strike us down and we will become more powerful than you could ever imagine.

@math3000

3 жыл бұрын

Constantine: So uh.... Jesus is legal now

@gearshun3566

3 жыл бұрын

Years later, Roman 100% christian

Fun fact: Extra Cresits is on Oversimplified's subscribing list.

@itscrajesh

9 күн бұрын

Nice

Diocletian: *Exists* Constantine: "Ding-Dong, your religion is wrong."

@ilovehats7638

3 жыл бұрын

I mean, it is right.

Just wanted to thank extra history for informing people about christian persecution the most of the sources of education on this history people have access too school/church are either unwilling to go into detail because of potential inciting rants and/or lawsuits or focus on religious narratives and implications rather than the historical information itself. Thank you for giving me a more informed perspective on the history of my religion I hope you and other educators are able to provide more similar content in the future.

It seems telling of the future of Christianity that the great persecution didn't begin when they were minding their own business or when a Christian made an unrelated political blunder, but when a Christian couldn't tolerate the religious practices of the dominant religion. Obviously it was 100% and overreaction and not their fault, but it foreshadows their own religious intolerance once they get into power.

@milocarteret8770

4 жыл бұрын

Perhaps it has something to do with Christians' views on the afterlife. They might've been a lot more tolerant if they didn't think persecution was for their heathens' own good.

@Blazo_Djurovic

4 жыл бұрын

You seem to have missed the fact that while it wasn't state policy to go after this minority group with everything that was had, Christians had been persecuted on and off depending on the region and who was in charge since Christianity began. Hence being legaly an ilegal religion and therefore anyone could persecute them if they felt like it, hence first gathering places being hidden places. Besides which, early Christianity can hardly be compared to MUCH later times. These early martyrs died not because they were going to attack someone, but because they were saying what they thought was the TRUTH, while fully expecting to die for that truth. And persecution of others didn't really begin till vast majority of people were Christian. Hell Constantine only made Christianity legal, about a half a century it became state religion while still permitting other ones, it won't be till Justinian when pretty much everyone was Christian and in fact Christians were having "energetic discussions" between each other that actual bans on pagans will start. And even much later most of the persecution tended to be between us over our own disagreements.

Christians Then: "They are cutting off our tongues." Christians Now: "Starbucks didn't say Merry Christmas."

This late Roman/early Christian history is incredibly interesting to me. It isn't as widely taught in history classes and pop culture doesn't mention it that much so it seems like an almost mythical kind of story, sometimes blurring between what is fabricated and what is fact. If I ever had a time mashine, I would really love to explore how Christianity started and how it grew in semi-secret

Is no one going to talk about how Diocletian chose cabbages over Rome?

@redlightning2322

4 жыл бұрын

Secretly hes irish

@Duke_of_Lorraine

4 жыл бұрын

The praetorian guard may (and probably will) murder you. Cabbages won't. Diocletian was wise enough to know that.

@redlightning2322

4 жыл бұрын

@@Duke_of_Lorraine well you never know. He could've choked on a cabbage and gone out that way. The threat of a cabbage is miniscule but, never zero

@a.h.tvideomapping4293

3 жыл бұрын

Duke of Lorraine Based

@LoudRevised

3 жыл бұрын

Haven’t found Dad yet Dovahhatty reference?

Constantine the Great should get his own videos

I have an idea, how about doing an extra history series on the extra credits channel, how it started, major milestones, how you research, and all the members of your team, past and present.

@hoodiesticks

4 жыл бұрын

Have you seen footofaferret's A Brief History series? He does almost exactly what you described with various youtubers and musicians. He never did an episode on EC, though.

@manarmsgaming9223

4 жыл бұрын

@@hoodiesticks Interesting

Constantine needs his own Series.

Christians then: I’m a pacifist I don’t wanna fight in the Army Christians 1,000 years later: WHOEVER FIGHTS GETS ALL THEIR SINS FORGIVEN AND A FREE TICKET TO HEAVEN!

@lugiasimply6054

3 жыл бұрын

it's not even 1,000 years it's only 10 (between diocletian's retirement and battle of milvian bridge)

Please make an episode on Constantine

Diocletian after retirment: Its cabbage time

the hilarious irony of trying to stop something that was unstoppable

Diocletian retreating to a garden after enacting his form of justice is some thanos type shit

Controversial view, but when you go around insulting peoples beliefs and disrupting and interfering with their sacred rites you have no ground to be angry when they retaliate. Esp when you then double down on your treatment of their religion when you end up on top.

@johnohara4788

3 жыл бұрын

Counter point feeding living people to lions is not a reasonable response to someone being an asshole

@boomboomf2268

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnohara4788 as someone who has had to deal with more than enough christianity related bs in my life, professionally and personally imma have to disagree with you on that. At least with regard to that brand of assholes. #Gibbon wasn't 100% wrong about christianity's effect on Rome.

I may or may not want a Pie-ocletian Apron now

I have visited Diocletian's palaca in Split Croatia :))

One gripe: calling Romans of that era "pagans" just sounds wrong. They were the biggest political power in Europe, so their beliefs were the "default" at the time. If anything, from their perspective, it was Christianity that was considered a foreign, outsider belief - and so, pagan in comparison.

@Saurophaganax1931

2 жыл бұрын

But “Pagan” back then didn’t merely refer to any religious movement outside the mainstream. Roman Polytheists for instance didn’t refer to Jews or Christians as Pagans. It was a term, injected into the religious vocabulary, by Christians specifically to refer to any non-abrahamic faiths. So pagan is quite the apt term foe the Romans here. That’s literally what they were.

Diocltian started with..."We're gonna have the Greatest Rome since Rome was Great."

I was raised with the Christian saying “the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church.” Every story has been about how thousands of Christians fearlessly killed has been the reason Christianity has lasted so long: because no one would die for something that they knew wasn’t true. I know lots of people in more conservative circles who say if they were to be diagnosed with a terminal illness, they would spend their last days in the most hostile environment they could find, sharing Christianity, in hopes of dying a martyr’s death. It’s interesting for me to examine those ideas in light of the information in this video. I had never heard this before.

@Aceshot-uu7yx

2 жыл бұрын

Because what your family said was true and the persecution would get worse with julian the apostate. This video only scratches the surface of the blood they shed.

"Yet despite things not getting better, they weren't getting worse"..... Sometimes thats all you can hope for

To anyone who sees this comment your a very intelligent person your beautiful, stay safe and have a wonderful day 💗

@fandemusique4693

4 жыл бұрын

Oh, thanks.

@a.h.tvideomapping4293

4 жыл бұрын

No u

@fandemusique4693

4 жыл бұрын

@aids god, you're really a creep, stop that 🤨

Constantine the great series? I’d watch it

So Thanos going back to his garden after he "made balance" is similar to how Diocletian went to his garden after he was satisfied with making "balance". See comic book movies reference history. :p

Christians: Have a hug, brother! Galerius: REEEEEEEEEEEEE

Exciting problems having boring solutions is a very good theme for this episode

Thank you for this. My cat is on a 24 hour hospital watch. I desperately needed this distraction. At this moment I totally get why Diocletian wanted nothing further to do with the empire.

@ArdanArianis

3 жыл бұрын

I honestly hope your cat is better now! Be brave and strong for him/her!

@johnyricco1220

3 жыл бұрын

@@ArdanArianis Thank you for that. Sadly he passed away after a few days at home. I’m beside myself with grief. But I also love him now more than ever. I have Mimi the gentle orange shorthair to thank for learning to love cats.

@ArdanArianis

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnyricco1220 I'm so sorry for tour los. When that happened to my beautiful Bastet I was so devastated. Stay strong!

@johnyricco1220

3 жыл бұрын

@@ArdanArianis I’ve never known hurt like this. Bless you and the memory of Bastet. She must have been very special and that’s a very cool name.

@ArdanArianis

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnyricco1220 I've lost a few cats myself along the trata, and it's painful. But you'll survive and remember him fondly. I wish you the best!

I understand the Romans. Tolerance is a two way contract that does not work with intolerants. And there is a breaking point when the arm becomes a mile.

Diocletian was in politics and war fro 21 years and then retired to a life of peace and contentment, once asked to return to power when things fell apart again he declined. He had plenty of experience in the bitter and angry machinations of Rome, he undoubtedly was unhappy and uncontent whilst doing so. So when given the opportunity to leave his peace and happiness he declined, he wanted to live out the last years of his life happy. A wise man indeed.

Diocletian looks proud of his cabbages

@folklore19

4 жыл бұрын

Fence 03 They took first place at the local Farmer's Market competition!

(6:28) How very Thanos of him.

“the Ten Persecutions of the Christians, which always add up to twelve or thirteen when tabulated: that of Nero; that of Domitian; of Trajan; of Hadrian; of Marcus Aurelius, the kindly, two-faced philosopher who shed ten times more blood than Nero; of Antoninus Pius; of Septimus Severus; of Caracalla, but he persecuted for only two years and then made an end to it; that of Maximinus the Thracian; that of Decius; that of Valerian; that of Diocletian, the bloodiest slaughter of Christians ever, excepting only King Dunaan in sixth-century Yemen; and the First Elizabeth of England.” R.A. Lafferty, ALARIC

I love your work keep it up! I also really like your mythology videos I will definitely watch more of them

Much respect for the trollface on Galerius at 3:32!

I still miss Aurelian! 😢

So basically, Bender's "The emperor demands booze" edict, but with christians building a successful religion out of not giving the emperor booze?

@Aceshot-uu7yx

2 жыл бұрын

And tons of philosophical arguments and beating the platonists at their own game.

Fun fact: Diocletian's palace is the basis around which modern Croatia's 2nd largest city, Split, was built. You can still visit the palace in Split.

@RagnaCloud13

10 ай бұрын

Also it became a setting for Game of Thrones

You should make a series about Constantine the Great at some point!

I wonder what the modern world would have become if the Roman Empire used the methods the Tokugawa gov't of Japan to stamp out Christianity? The former created martyrs whereas the latter broke believers.

@icebeam23860

4 жыл бұрын

I'd imagine it would be a pretty crappy place to live in. A cut throat world where people step on each other for their own selfish benefit as the norm; without the slightest of qualm.

@Ia32627

4 жыл бұрын

Both governments used the same methods. Romans forcing public libations to the Emperor was exactly like the Japanese ritual of public desecration of Christian imagery. The difference came from the size and homogeny of these nations. The Romans has a massive empire of varying cultures. Even during State sponsored persecution you'd have Roman govenors who performed their task half-hearted or you'd have Emperors who would be more lenient to Christians. Japan on the other hand was a small realm with a homogenus culture. The Tokugawa Shoguns could easily influence nobles to hardline Christian persecution and practically every Tokugawa Shogun had the same persecution mindset.

@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts

4 жыл бұрын

The same methods were used in both cases, there was little different.

@Lightscribe225

4 жыл бұрын

The latter didn't. They just hid their religion like they did in Rome, even making slight changes to existing gods so no one could tell Bishamonten was actually Mary.

@Ia32627

4 жыл бұрын

@@Lightscribe225 There were still a lot of Japanese natives who died as Christian martyrs. The Shogunate would spare your life if you desecrated Christian icons publicly so the ones who died would have been exclusively pious Japanese Christians who preferred to die for their faith.

I think some of the hatred of christianity amongst the roman state is completely practical - pacifistic early christians don't hold back the Barbarians pouring over the frontier. Combined with Caracalla's granting of roman citizenship to everyone within the empire, it was probably only a matter of time.

@joellaz9836

3 жыл бұрын

Ed Ireland Not true. The Pacifism in Christianity barely had any impact on military recruitment from what I’ve read.

@edireland8983

3 жыл бұрын

@@joellaz9836 Doesn't particularly matter if they actually managed to reduce recruitment - what matters is that the leadership are terrified of a pacifist religion growing because they are already short of men.

Only three of these episodes where actually covering the third century crisis. This would be like if you made a five part series on World War I were you completely glossed over like 3/5 of the war in the first episode spent two episodes on the end of the war and then covered the interwar period in the last two. The great persecution didn’t even happen in the third century and you’re giving it more attention than stuff like The year of the six emperors And Valyrian’s capture

Happy Times all Around is the third century "Live, Laugh, Love"

Diocletian and Maximian didn't abdicate to their biological sons, they just picked heirs and legally adopted them like all caesars prior.

@sion8

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, that's what they said.

8:58- Well, actually baptism upon death wasn't uncommon, even among Christians. Constantine the II did the same. Just my main peeve with Davinci Code, which wouldn't be a problem as a fiction if the author didn't show himself to be ignorant of Roman and Church History.

@89Crono

3 жыл бұрын

The thing with Constantine is that most historians aren't really sure if he actually bought into Christianity up until his death bed. He clearly saw the power and the rising tide of Christianity as something he could use in order to consolidate the empire. He took all of the anti-Christian reforms and did a complete 360 making anti-pagan reforms. Now a formerly ostracized group of people held incredible power and had only one man to thank for their good fortune. Also while he's heralded for the legalization of Christianity and the founding of Constantinople, Constantine as a ruler didn't really play by a Christian rule book so to speak, mas murder was essentially how he spent his Friday nights. He completed many of Diocletian's reforms, but not fully, with him simply kicking many of the major problems of the empire down the line. All in all Great for Christianity, bad for most everything else.

@michaelfisher7170

3 жыл бұрын

Never let facts stand in the way of a good story. Its too bad the story in DaVinci Code wasn't good.

@powerist209

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, just cringey as they kinda mixed up Theodosius (more ardent anti Pagan) with Constantine (at least hands off with Pagan, even up to Valentinian I and Valens). I mean Julian is Constantinian dynasty but Paganism is powerful enough to challenge Christians at the time.

Love you EH!

The thing is the We know veneration of the dead is an ancient Jewish practice you see it even with for radical Judaism. We know it minimally goes back to Elise the 2nd temple period. But venerating the martyrs was something I goes back to the very foundation of a church since Acts.

Fun fact: Diocletian is actually a Mod on r/atheism

@math3000

3 жыл бұрын

What's next Constantine on r/Christianity

@rockyblacksmith

3 жыл бұрын

Which is kinda ironic since romans actually considered the christians "atheoi", since they worshipped almost no gods.

Chads who have already watched this from dovahatty rise up

0:11 I love how the gods look surprised too

Romanus: "Your gods are false heretics!!!" Diocletian: "No u."