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@hkguitar1984

2 жыл бұрын

No, I don't believe it left the factory that way. For someone to play the guitar enough to need a refret it would have much more body wear. What I think is that is was a beat up guitar that needed a refret and a quick wet-sand and topcoat turned into modification of the first fret inlay and the headstock overlay. Not to mention those modifications are easy if you're already wet-sanding the instrument for a fresh topcoat. I'd go so far as to question if Gibson would even build a Standard with the split diamond headstock inlay and the first fret trapezoid. For that price I'd still play happily play it and enjoy it, I just don't think it is all factory.

First off, i like the abalone split diamond & first fret inlay, & secondly, i'd like to believe that Slash came & installed the pickups. That would be a cooler story...

@joshuataft5541

2 жыл бұрын

Me too .lol

Judging from the pickguard on the double, that was Bruce Wayne's guitar 🦇

I think the first fret marker and headstock inlay are factory original. I play guitar a lot, and pickups, knobs, nuts, and refret are all things I would do to a player guitar. I would never add inlays or change a headstock. Like why would you do that?

First fret Inlay is pretty cool along with the split headstock inlay. 👍🤘

I'm thinking that the fret job on that elegant was done because some one just wanted different fret wire, the rest of the guitar doesn't show wear consistent with wearing the frets down.

@countrygrandpa

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking

About the elegant: CST on the COA may stand for "custom" if they did those mods at the factory

@ralphwest8156

2 жыл бұрын

Custom Sunburst Top ...?

@se6993

2 жыл бұрын

We need to see that baby photo!

@joshuataft5541

2 жыл бұрын

Great point I was thinking something similar..cst jst screams custom to me I'dno tho

Hogley in the trouse

I had this guitar on my watch list on Ebay and saw this morning it was unsold and not listed anymore. I was too scared to pull the trigger because of the mods and first fret inlay. The shops actual website showed a bunch more pictures then they had on Reverb with the pickups taken out showing the Slash logo on the back of them.

I'm the current owner of the peacock green elegant showed at 1:28 (I'm fairly certain ateast). It's just as beautiful in person, and a amazing guitar to be able to play.

@bryantwalley

2 жыл бұрын

That’s a really nice one you got there.

Austin is in His House 🏠 and I Love His Channel and Content

@hkguitar1984

2 жыл бұрын

He is indeed

On the Les Paul, I at first thought the Gibson logo on the headstock was positioned too low. But then I compared with my 2002 Studio and the positioning is the same. I'm still learning Les Pauls.

The elegant is gorgeous! I love the abalone and the first fret marker. No clue if it's original but man, that's nice!

i would venture to guess the CST on the COA stands for Custom, as in Les Paul Custom, and if you were to mash an elegant and a LP custom together this is kind of what one would think they would get... 1st fret marker, all be it not the block like a custom, however this is an Elegant. And if it is an elegant with some LP custom-like appointments that are being hinted to, this would make sense along with the split diamond headstock inlay. Sure it doesnt have the correct LP Custom Binding or Fret Markers, i just feel like they were pulling certain influences from the LP Custom on this build, Just my thoughts.

I am thankful that Troggs does the videos and welcome his expertise on Gibson's, but I just feel lost... I don't mind Gibson guitars, but it seems like every video contains mostly boring paint/stain jobs, they cost over $2k (or well over that). Maybe lost isn't the right word, but perhaps I just can't get into a guitar that I would never own or could afford. I know he's a collector, but I thoroughly enjoy the "Common-man" import guitars. Not only do they typically have unique finish options, but at the end of the video I often say "Man I loved that guitar, got to get me one of those!" ..and I could because they are in my budget. I'm probably in the minority here and assure you I'm not trying to ruffle feathers, just venting to no one I guess. 🤷

@JohnSmith-te5oo

2 жыл бұрын

I own a few dozen Gibson's but imo lawsuit era Ibanez' etc are as good or better and way better value. Specs'wise its also no contest

@damnstraight7709

2 ай бұрын

We are in a prime era of slave labor guitars what you get / $ may be as good as it ever gets. China will have to start paying higher wages soon

Cinco

Trogly's in the HOUSE!!!

@hkguitar1984

2 жыл бұрын

Greg, Howdy! I do love Abalone I had an R9 copy built using all Abalone

@baronrogers806

2 жыл бұрын

AHHH

@rondobondo6600

2 жыл бұрын

Woohoo Greg I can't believe it you just won the fabulous Wallmart award for the very first comment wooohooo you are absolutely amazing 🍪 🍍

@sgt.grinch3299

2 жыл бұрын

Congratulations on being first. Well Done brother.

I think it's the way it come from the factory, except for the nut, pups, etc. Getting abalone inlay is pretty expensive, last I checked.

✌️

It's funny that Trogley points out the grammar mistake, "Slash installed" pickups when Trolley says every episode, "Let's take an indvidual look at it's parts and specs" instead of "Let's take a look at it's individual parts and specs". One means an individual or person is looking at the parts and specs, which is a given, the other means the parts and specs are unique to the individusl example he's reviewing. But then, I may be wrong, I was a majored in Sociology not English.☺☺☺. Plus I wouldn't want him to change this phrase after hearing so many times now.

It seems we would see more wear on back and the neck of that guitar was that heavily used that those other items were changed

Love your work Trogly 👍

My guess; 1st owner=collector, orders finish, inlays(incl. 1st fr./HS), and low jazz frets. 2nd owner=player, does the mods. Collector knows mods de-valu, player doesn't care. Oh, maybe CST on COA is the too obvious - Custom. The bat wing EDS goof hider, looks just as goofy!! Ü

That criss cross top is GORGEOUS!!!

When things sound too good to be true it's usually because they are.

The corners of the first fret inlay look rounder then the third fret inlay.

As far as the Les Paul headstock inlay is concerned, without a black re-spray, wouldn't there be some of the Les Paul Special logo that would be evident on the black wood area that the diamond inlay doesn't cover? And the batwing pickguard has one screw in the middle of the very sharp point. Wouldn't the two screw holes of an "original style" be evident on each side of that sharp point if it were a later upgrade or change?

The diamond headstock inlay on the LP Elegant looks smaller than it should be on a Gibson; it looks like the size found on Epiphone Les Paul Customs and the Chibsons made in former Epiphone factories. You can see the size difference at 2:20 in the video. I'm pretty sure it's not original to the guitar; if it is it's the first Gibson with that size of diamond that I've seen!

If the first fret abalone inlay was original would there not be a neck edge dot marker on fret 1 also? I didn't see one there.

Love the Zebra and sunburst with no guard look on the LP ...would be great to see Trogly Rockin a bit of Stairway with a full double neck review '

My custom pro has 1st fret inlay

The easiest way to tell if the first fret inlay was added in after is to see if the compound radius fretboard is unnatural/ significantly different from your elegants are. A complete refinish cant hide a wrong radius.

The inlays are beautiful the abalone really accents the markers and yeah I like to double diamond in the headstock it's a cool guitar I wonder how much it weighs anyway great video keep it up

@thedude7726

2 жыл бұрын

I'd rock it if I could afford one

The first fret inlay looks to crooked to be original

My man!

Isn't that neck pickup backwards?

What if that pickguard is hiding the snake bites from double bigsby’s. That would counter the weight of those shaller tuners. Hmmmmm bigsby on a 12 string??!! Sounds like a tuning nightmare! Hahahaha

that one pic of the 1st fret inlay, it looks like a different shape than the others. makes me think its a mod too

I liked the elegant. Even if it's not original, it's definitely beautiful.

I love the way the aged alpine white and aged gold hardware go together on 70s Gibsons

Interesting photo of the Les Paul on a guitar stand in front of a fireplace??

I really liked the the Elegant, not as an investment but as a player. Regular LP’s are too heavy for me, neck/shoulder issues. I’m guessing it would be reasonably lightweight with all that chambering.

@jakelow6557

2 жыл бұрын

Go look at lp custom lites! Very cool guitars, stupid light. Weigh the same as my SG’s

'Fairly reputable' store? It's either reputable or not. Could be damaging words.

I'm a bit suspicious on that EDS-1275: i) the Gibson logo's on the headstocks are crooked here and there, the 'G' on the six-string seems way off, also their positioning and angle on the headstock; and ii) is there no serial# to be found on the back of these headstocks? Anyway, nice work Trogly! Cheers from Belgium!

Unless they have documentation...I would be skeptical

What is so interesting about your business is that every single guitar has a very unique story and life. I mean, people refret their guitars, but what if the person died or got locked up or just went broke during the refret, and they hear about it and decide not to put in any more time on a guitar they are not getting paid for, so they DON'T scallop the edges of the new frets? Oh, the possibillities! Love your channel and the Trogly vibe. You are an encyclopedia. Eh, more of a fender man meself anyway..

“Holy heavy headstocks, Bat-Trog!!”

the first mark looks strangely rounded in the edge

That would be a fair amount of work to modify that elegance with an extra marker and headstock inlay. But I think it looks great. 🤔

I'm guessing it's someone put stopbar tailpieces on them and filled in with dowels.

The problem is there's no way to know if a guitar is authentic, they didn't use anti-counterfeiting measures. If you find two with the same serial number you know at least one must be fake. Aside from that, how could you know? It's easy to buy guitar body blanks. I saw one Les Paul kit that had highly flamed top just like a Snakepit. It's almost like they were selling them specifically to make fake Shakepits, they even showed it with red finish. You can also buy control kits that are just like vintage originals and fake vintage pickups are easy to get. You could fairly easily make a fake vintage guitar, even crackle the finish by freezing it or fade it with UV lamps.

Bar Mitzvah present?

Waiting on Trogley to add a Les Paul to his store I can afford… Might be waiting a bit…

That Elegant is magic to me. I say buy it and someone will come. Do the review and call Gibson and get a letter...

The headstock inlay is too small!

Maybe the ES was bought by a factory employee? The elegant looks to me like a heavily modded standard.

Good call on your part… That’s a hard call on th double neck…

Sux when refret jobs make it sus..it's like putting new tires on a truck sometimes you have to

I remember when Certificate of Authenticity was usually your first red flag that a product is fake.

Considering the price, I likely would have pulled the trigger if that were my thing. It is easier to live vicariously through Trogly's Guitar Show 😄😂

@shawndouglass2939

2 жыл бұрын

Easier and much cheaper😉😜

Wow, tough crowd. Haha thanks for the video it was a pretty cool and unique piece. Somewhat reputable? Geez Austin low blow. We have sold a couple cool guitars through the years. Oh and BTW, yes Slash stopped in to install those pickups. Hell of a tech

@rstats2127

2 жыл бұрын

Nice reply but is the guitar actually legit from the factory?

I think it's also a little bit strange that elegant had a refret but the body appears nearly mint condition, with no pick guard ever installed... I mean it's not impossible but how likely is it that it was finger picked exclusively for 20 years by a guy who only wore sweat pants whilst playing it... lol

@jameshullihen649

2 жыл бұрын

I dislike pick guards. I regularly remove them from my guitars and play using a pick. I NEVER touch the body with the pick! And I don't play fingerstyle.

@stinkychickentitty

2 жыл бұрын

@@jameshullihen649 I'm really happy for ya man, that's not really the norm though. More often than not the existing pick guard on used guitars have at least some scratches, same goes with the bodies of ones without a guard. Like I said in original post, it's not impossible but the odds aren't very good for a 20-30 year old guitar played enough to require a re fret to have a flawless finish. That is all

@jameshullihen649

2 жыл бұрын

@@stinkychickentitty Agree!

There may be a form of synergy to having a 13-year-old rocking a $13,000 guitar. I still think it's kind of excessive though. Korea construct A-line from my favorite sitcom, "no 13-year-old boy should have a $13,000 guitar unless he is onstage with his four brothers."

CST= custom standard?

I feel the first fret inlay could be original, just custom ordered but was a custom shop guitar that was worn enough that they needed a refret along with some personal mods. I know some people would just do a refret right out of the gate anyways to custom shops. Who knows though, especially since it’s a used guitar with tons of mods to it. also, the headstock inlay seems like too much work for someone to replace in all honesty, if i was them i’d know that paying someone to do it would be a lot, and doing it myself would be a pain in the ass. So it most likely came that way from the factory.

The doubleneck is cool, but the 70s gibson were not that desirable back in the day. If you are going to spend 13K on a doubleneck today you should purchase a Jimmy Page Custom authentic doubleneck. Only 250 of those limited editions. I have one and all it's done has gone up in value since I purchased it in 2007.

Trogly, please have the community compete for something for their take on the intro tune. You would receive hundreds of samples easily from skilled musicians. I'm sure you could play a new version in each show (like The Simpsons) given the size of your community. Hearing that same identical intro every time has my fingers itching for something fresh. It could even be the very same tab as your current show intro.

I’m a Fender girl, but I’d spend $3,500 on the LP Elegant, those inlays are gorgeous

It’s the Meatloaf double neck. 😂

The wear and tear on the rest of the body does not speak that it was played so much it needed a re-fret...something is not right with that piece

They may have just taken an early 2000’s Standard, added new frets, changed out the inlays to abalone, new pickups, and then added a new Custom veneer on the headstock. If they put in all that work, the price actually kinda seems fair even for a fancied up Standard. Or could be a real custom shop. Who knows 😂😂

CST could mean CUSTOM?

It's nice enough to buy it. Come on man, you could sell it off if it didnt live up to your standards of collectibility. It's a very nice guitar, I imagine that price tag is at least fair. It would be a fun review and document.

They must of ran out of abalone for the Gibson logo and put mother of pearl??? Don’t understand that move !!! That’s the only thing that makes me wonder?? Inconsistent but that usually is how Gibson was in the 90’s compared to today I guess

If it was a custom order its not worth the money without the provenance of that custom order

CST is custom.

I bought Bourgeois Country Boy from Lovies on Reverb. It was described as having an Adirondack top. I got the serial number as described, but the guitar clearly says Sitka on the label. I didn't notice until months later, and I love the guitar, so I've done nothing to address it. I chalk it up to the guy being lazy about the descriptions, and employs copy & paste, without replacing key words. Look at a sample of his listings. Your video has me irritated about it.

The sellers on reverb know what they are selling. If that would be real, one of the kind custom without any issues, the price would be double.

I never liked double necks I jst don't get it it's just a flex . And yeah we've seen that and heard the 13th birthday story for sure I thought that green hollow body last video was already covered too but I may b wrong

Might be worth the effort to see if Gibson can help you

Duh nuh nuh nuh nuh nuh nuh nuh nuh nuh nuh nuh nuh nuh nuh nuh GIBSON!!

If you have something as unique as that LP, you better have the baby photo from the factory

Gibson "Less Special Top"!🤣🤣🤣

Do these not get a baby picture? When did that start?

Cool guitar,regardless of the questionable mods.For what they're asking these days for Les Paul's,this is,to me,a better purchase.

Knobs prolly rrplaced due to spline count on the 500k pots ..i wouldnt have purchased it either

Looks like a couple of Chibson customs. 🤭🤨🤔🧐😬

To people who collect and don’t play and have lots of money that guitar may be worth $5,000 or $6,000. But I’m a player and I buy guitars to play. I own Les Pauls, Fenders, Yairi’s, custom Takamine LTD’s and Martins and I would never pay the price you think these guitars are worth. If you gave me one of these lightweight chambered LessPauls I would play it because that’s what it’s for. Not to sit on a wall or in a case. I don’t hate you or your show, but most of us guys just don’t have your money or influence to justify the cost of these new guitars. They aren’t worth that kind of money.

Last time I was this early the doctor cut my cord

L thought when a guitar is modified the value drops in this case maybe not

All original wood...

"All original but..." irks me as much as "custom case" meaning "case I got because I didn't have the original one"

It's crazy how popular guitars are. Like videos like these wouldn't exist if they were about french horns, cause they aren't popular enough to justify making video about.

colombus took a chance

The Troglys Gibson Les Paul show.

Why does Pete Townsend say you need inlay on the first fret? If anything you're going to mark G like it does. EAB and GCD are probably the most used popular song chords. E isn't marked G,A,C,D,B are all marked. Makes sense to me. I'm probably way off from what the original designers were thinking. But yeah, you're right, I would pass on that one. Just too fishy.

No kidding a 13 year old with a Double Neck.. must have been a young Arnold Schwarzenegger

to me no fret lip is upgrade.

420k dollars for a guitar just tells me "Honey, i already put my guitar up for sale! It's just that no one seems to be interested, it's not my fault!"

I’m 14 hours late. Long night with Bible study. Interesting instruments.