In conclusion: Luigi wins Why you ask? By absolutely doing nothing.

@BlueJourney2719

Ай бұрын

In terms of personality and character

@Luigieight268

Ай бұрын

If we do duos in the ring then mario and luigj solo because of luigi himself.

@BlueJourney2719

Ай бұрын

@@Luigieight268 Dreamy Luigi basically

@noahalcantar2431

Ай бұрын

Godzilla wins

@marcelopaulo446

Ай бұрын

​@@BlueJourney2719SHUT UP

I thought we moved past this like ten years ago

@Kreepiscule

Ай бұрын

Exactly

@Zuf-ff3nb

Ай бұрын

More like 25 years ago

@JDWLegoLegendsYT

Ай бұрын

I know right, I love both franchises

@Thomasthetankengine-cq9gb

Ай бұрын

Although we moves passed this sonic solos eny time sonic will solo sonic sonic will win in less than 1 micro second

@SBGamingPlus

Ай бұрын

Me too but its still going.

Sonic vs. Mario is a fun idea, but let's be real, everyone wants their favorite character to win. If you like Sonic more? You want Sonic to win; if you like Mario more? You want Mario to win. People take this stuff to seiously, sometimes. Close your eyes and imagine them fighting, and thats who wins. I see people turning it into a "which series is better" argument - which is heavily missing the point, in my opinion, lol.

@eddienarrea3638

Ай бұрын

Agreed it can be really fun to see who wins but it's true people take jt WAY to far, And I think Mario and Sonic on a time is probably better.

@dranoradragonqueen1494

Ай бұрын

actually a series of fights would be fun so long as people don't take it to seriously.

@_Caleb_H

Ай бұрын

I was thinking having one but at the end they team up to stop bowser and eggman would be cool

@DBattleedits

Ай бұрын

Khaos ur a freaking peacemaker bruh honestly respect 🙏🏼🙏🏼

@Replies.Delete.SometimesIDKy

Ай бұрын

Thats what ppI wanna beleive because it helps them handle debates better but uh. No theres an objective answer to things like these. If a character has one feat and its destroying a car. And another character has one feat and its destroying a sun. There is no opinion. The one who destroyed the sun wins. Now ay any moment the writers can do watever they want but until they do that regardless of evidence. But till then, you can use what the characters presently have to say who wins.

I don't think Cappy would be much use against Sonic, and it's more than just "Sonic's too fast to hit" although that is indeed a factor. You gotta remember Eggman's built machines that can match Sonic's speed which is something Mario's not used to dealing with, but also you can't possess everything with Cappy in Super Mario Odyssey. Mario can possess a lot of things, but the Broodals, Peach, most NPCs, and even Bowser can't be possessed at least not until severely wounded in Bowser's case. Plus, water isn't that big of deal to Sonic anymore. In Colors, he could swim just fine, and even if you take that away, he can just use the Bubble Shield to stay down there permanently, the Drill Wisp to swim through perfectly fine, or even just boost to the surface like he can in Generations. That's just my two cents though.

@VoiceActingDude24

Ай бұрын

Finally someone who thinks before just favoritizing one side

@RaidFiftyOne

Ай бұрын

@@VoiceActingDude24 Ikr most people are just bis. personally don't SEE how Mario is winning this. Like he said Sonic is faster then anything Mario has faced. Also there no way Mario has every powerup and capture ready for him in one area.

@VoiceActingDude24

Ай бұрын

@@RaidFiftyOne exactly

@jamesjackson6717

Ай бұрын

​@@RaidFiftyOneMario would catch up easily, you're forgetting his speed feats 💀.

@tonysonic456

Ай бұрын

@@jamesjackson6717 Such as?

Sonic isn't weak against water because, in the games, Sonic can survive a decent amount of time in water until he needs an air bubble. But that's just a theory, a GAME THEORY

@igottakirbranger8995

Ай бұрын

I was crying watching the final video with Matpat, but that’s just a theory

@rodleypierre

Ай бұрын

​@@igottakirbranger8995same😭

@channelsonic122

Ай бұрын

Also the bubble shield let’s him stay underwater indefinitely

@diamondgamer6482

Ай бұрын

Idk if this counts but in chao in space Sonic was floating in the water of the SA2 normal chao garden

@haydenyoung4941

Ай бұрын

He can't swim though, so if mario captures sonic, runs to the bottom of the ocean or deep in the water and tie his leg up in some seaweed or if there is a chain, then gets out of capture and leaves, Sonic ded.

There are a lot of issues with this. Though the whole "Sonic weak to water" is extremely outdated, he hasn't been weak to water since the 2000's, in Sonic Colors, we can see him swim just fine. Also, I am not sure where you got the impression that Sonic sometimes doesn't breathe in space. Sonic has always been able to breathe in space just. Mario, on the other hand, is inconsistent if he can breathe underwater or not. The 2D games seems like he can, but in 3D games he can't. Also Super sonic being crush is just a game mechanic, in canon Super Sonic can't be crushed, the Titans tried and failed. Also if you're going to use Smash bros as point towards Mario's abilities, then wouldn't that alone proves Sonic is stronger than Mario? Everyone was struggling against Tabuu, until Sonic came and two shot him like he was nothing. Seems like Nintendo themselves was stating that Sonic is the strongest Smash character around that (until ultimate when they brought in even stronger characters)

@luiscontreras769

Ай бұрын

Yeah but the idea is Mario possesses Sonic drowns him, then Mario dies turns into a ghost and can resurrect himself without any help. Which is possible (Sonic can drown in frontiers 3D and superstars 2D) but wouldn’t happen because that’s extremely out of character for Mario

@UltimateSuperX

Ай бұрын

@luiscontreras769 Mario will be unable to possess Sonic though. his will too strong. If a million year old god/devil is unable to possess him, then I highly doubt a little ghost cap would. Keep in mind the cap doesn't work on everyone, I couldn't work on the bosses, especially that huge epic Dragon. The only boss it worked on was Bowser, but he had to be unconscious for it to work

@ClassicSonictheRemixer

Ай бұрын

@@UltimateSuperX Mario didn't even attempt to capture the dragon, all he needed to do was uncover a weak spot of his head. And there's no proof Bowser needed to be unconscious, he was just vulnerable after being busted out of his wedding suit and hat. Sonic lacks headgear, and though Sonic may have been attempted to be possessed, we don't know how powerful Cappy's possession powers are, yet they appear to be practically instantaneous, with Mario being able to possess many things, people, and enemies without much issue at all. Due to this, there's no concrete proof Sonic is immune to being captured

@UltimateSuperX

Ай бұрын

@ClassicSonictheRemixer That is a really bad point. If we go with idea that Mario didn't attempt to capture the Dragon (even though that makes sense, we know us the player's have tried) then that means is just...really...really..stupid, he could have just captured the Dragon and beat Bowser. There many times, Bowser was vulnerable in the boss fight, and you still couldn't capture him. If Cappy was really that OP, then he wouldn't even need Mario to save his sister. He could have possessed Bowser as soon he even tempted to kidnap her. Also, there is concrete proof that Sonic is immune to being captured. The Light god flat-out told Sonic that he is. When Sonic was confused on why he wasn't possessed like everyone else (even a demi god/ agent guardian lost their will and mind to the devil/ Dark gaia), he at first assumed that maybe the Light god was protecting him, but the light god told Sonic that he had nothing to do with it, and said Sonic himself is the reason why he was never got possessed, and he is too strong to ever lose himself.

@user-ko8kv1dh4u

Ай бұрын

it's not a bad point and i noticed some faults with you bud ok 1. movesets and bios are cannon to the characters not the story and also this is proven by kirby who has his smash moves in official games 2. invicible mario can't be crushed like sonic not even mario in base it's also cannon that toon force durability is a thing for mario sonic can die from getting crushed and knocked back to base that's the truth but mario hasn't shown that happens to him ok 3. cappy isn't the strongest ghost but he ngl might not affect sonic also but he is still strong for possesing bowser and you again can possess foes if badly wounded ok and yea 4. nintendo in recent days has mario above sonic power wise it was a offical twitter look for it yourself cuz i stumbled upon it ngl also in that case mario is stronger cuz smash ultimate also the whole smash series is apart of well master hands imagination not real non of it the only cannon things is well the movesets and i said it before their bios mario has more resistances than sonic which is a form of durability tbh but I need more scans if youtube dosen't delete my wellll comments @@UltimateSuperX

This comment section is just proving how pointless this argument is 💀 *at the end of the day these are two characters who can overcome any threat presented to them if the plot says they can*

@GottaFistDemAll

Ай бұрын

Nothing can beat the almighty Plot Armor.

@paulgilbert5278

Ай бұрын

@@GottaFistDemAll You don't need Plot Armor if you're fit. Mario and Sonic do cardio

@RedInkTheOneAndOnly

Ай бұрын

Finally, someone understands the assignment. The assignement? Enjoy the IP you like, and let that be it. You have nothing to prove by liking a stronger character, that doesn’t make you a better person. If you think you have the right to gloat because your favorite fictional character can beat up a little kid’s hero then congrats, you’ve earned the “go touch grass” award. Sorry, I’m a Sonic fan, and I’ve been beat down for it my whole life.

@OrangeToadGamer

Ай бұрын

@@RedInkTheOneAndOnly I get it. I'm a fan of both, and if I'm being honest, I think you said everything I was feeling perfectly

@waff69

Ай бұрын

for some reason every attack mario has sonic somehow can resist it dang sega pretty much made sonic really op but archie sonic that is not fair

The reason I like Mario more isn't because of how powerful he is but how fun his Games are

@The_Thunderous_Gecko

Ай бұрын

Same

@TNTX23

Ай бұрын

sonic games are honestly more fun tbh. it really just depends on what you grow up.

@_Caleb_H

Ай бұрын

@@TNTX23 Maybe

@user-ko8kv1dh4u

Ай бұрын

not honestly a opinion@@TNTX23

@user-ko8kv1dh4u

Ай бұрын

for both i played sonic first but ultimatly liked mario more@@TNTX23

You havent even considered the moveset in Sonic Superstars. He can make Clones of Himself, Slow Down Time, Turn into a Bullet ... You could also mention Chaos Control from Sonic Adventure 2, where he literally teleported.

@The_real_Catnap_is_here

Ай бұрын

I mean Mario can move when time is stopped or slowed down shown in paper mario

@david_cool427YT

Ай бұрын

​@@The_real_Catnap_is_hereLol Mario has been shown to do that even in Mario 64 in Tick Tock Clock and he moved while Culex was consuming time and space lol

@jamesjackson6717

Ай бұрын

​@@david_cool427YTFINALLY SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS.

@jamesjackson6717

Ай бұрын

Mario can transcend time and space with cutout.

@flxwerhxrts4037

Ай бұрын

sonic can literally move without time

This is just as tiring as the Goku vs. Superman debate. Can we all just admit that they wouldn't even fight to begin with and most likely be friends instead?

@SonicAndre2

Ай бұрын

I agree with you! Honestly, that would also, objectively, be the correct answer too! And even IF they fought, it’d be more likely a sparring match between the two of them, just for fun! Besides, them fighting seriously at each other’s throats goes completely against both of their characters.

@SBGamingPlus

Ай бұрын

@@SonicAndre2 Yeah I don't see them fighting against each other. More like they would team up instead.

@apersoniguess_

Ай бұрын

Yeah but that’s not the debate. “They would be friends, actually” is not an answer because we’re asking who would win if they DID fight, not if they would fight in the first place

@LeviathanGamer799

Ай бұрын

@@apersoniguess_thank you captain obvious

@apersoniguess_

Ай бұрын

@@LeviathanGamer799 hey tell that to OP here not me

At least this is a breath of fresh air from his usual content of constantly Nintendo direct or rumors videos

I just think Mario's nemesis are more accurated to the Mario World Sonic is just like: Ok after another battle against an crazy doctor here is wait a minute let me see *god*

@drewhaynes1874

Ай бұрын

that he needed help beating mind you

@SonicZGamer

Ай бұрын

@@drewhaynes1874 no , silver shadow and sonic all fought their own solaris,

@fontanermario

Ай бұрын

The same solaris lol. This could exist in the present, past and future, if Sonic eliminated the one from the present, Solaris would still be alive in the past and present. (If you did it with help)​@@SonicZGamer

@SonicZGamer

Ай бұрын

@@fontanermario yeah doesn't change the fact that they all kill their own Solaris, the past version, the present one and the future one, they had no issue defeating one, but they needed to be 3 otherwise it wouldnt work

@fontanermario

Ай бұрын

​@@SonicZGamerStill the same solaris bruh. In the end it cost them the hedgehog's life.

This guy has some wrongs, Sonic's super form is not based off rings, the ring count for his super form is just for the games, that is there so that the player isn't too powerful forever. Paper Mario and Super Mario are different universes, so you can't really compare both of the 2 different games. Cappy was an only once power-up, actually, Cappy isn't really a power-up, he is a ghost that wanted to help Mario save the princess because his sister was with the princess too, then once Mario and Cappy save both Princess Peach and Cappy's sister, Cappy and Mario departed from each other and never really met again. The reason why Eggman is able to catch sonic (sometimes) when Sonic is going really fast is because Eggman knows that sonic runs really fast, so Eggman built robots to catch up with Sonic's speed, examples are Metal Sonic, Infinite, (and maybe more). Mario could possibly catch Sonic if Mario can read Sonic's speed pretty quickly. (Tell me if any of this information is wrong).

@egeparlak8004

Ай бұрын

Mario and Paper Mario are the same, one of Paper Mario official sources confirm it and I even somewhat could prove that Paper Jam is not canon

@dbjadiel4696

Ай бұрын

Thank you for this information, I actually didn't know that. I thought that they were different universes because one is paper, and one is real. (Again, thank you for this information).

@stargazer-elite

Ай бұрын

Yeah, the canonicity of rings to the sonic universe has been going back-and-forth constantly in some games. They were a currency that has actual value to the universe of sonic and other games. They are just a gameplay mechanic and in a lot of cinematic parts of sonic media sonic doesn’t need rings For it rings have only been mentioned in a cinematic like once, or twice the most notable one I can think of is when classic tails and modern tails are talking to each other at the end of sonic generations and classic tails asked modern tails “where does he put all those rings“ modern tails responds “ ya know I’m not sure sometimes I ask myself the same thing”

@danielteel9792

Ай бұрын

Paper Mario is canon, but some paper Mario games are not, such as Super Paper Mario (Due to that paper Mario not existing in 3d until given the power to) and Paper Jam (speaks for itself)

@DarkXream

Ай бұрын

You're wrong. The speed difference makes it literally impossible for mario to perceive let alone predict sonics movements. We can even make mario stronger (he's not I'm just giving an example here) and sonic still speed blitzes him

"Let the past die, kill it if you have to." - Kylo Ren (SWTLJ 2017)

@adamburgess311

Ай бұрын

Remember me you said a story and you said not for me HI

@jaydentplays7485

Ай бұрын

Alright… Everyone I see was born in the past, so I must listen to you.

@BendyBoiii

Ай бұрын

If only movie studios learned this.

Anyone else remember the Nintendo High series? I like Mario and Sonic much more when they’re friends. Or, at least friendly rivals.

@ohosmandivine6770

Ай бұрын

I also watch Nintendo high Good series

@Gabsgameking

Ай бұрын

I cant wait to see more of Sega High

@finleymaster101

Ай бұрын

Yeah, I love Nintendo High, they make new episode around every 3-4 months

@RealSuperStar_SonicSpeed

Ай бұрын

i only watched a little of it

6:30 Dully noted, Mario has to die repeatedly to get the white tanookie suit... Meaning in a 1 round match he can't use it and even if he does if he's taken out of the general "level" area of the battle or doused in lava, it's over for him, Mario may have the edge with water, but Sonic has that same advantage in opposite liquid... given he has a fire shield or a superform active...

@Joshuatheidiot

Ай бұрын

Don't forget the bubble sheild lol

@user-to4zl8wf2n

Ай бұрын

That's only for the player and gameplay, Mario can use the white tanuki suit whenever he gets stuck and it only disappears when he has completed his objective, meaning that he can use it for as long as he wants, sonic needs to find or have the chaos emeralds on hand to even use it and Mario has the advantage in space and water, he can use power ups in both and can breathe in both. As soon as super sonic gets hit with a super star its over for him and he cant breathe in space, Mario has also tanked both a black hole and super nova so sonic doesn't have the strength to even hurt him

@Solesteam

Ай бұрын

@@user-to4zl8wf2n One could argue that the white tanookie suit doesn't even exist in the normal canonical Mario world, it's not like he can get it from a toad house or find it on a tree like he can with stuff like the acorn power up.

@Solesteam

Ай бұрын

@@user-to4zl8wf2n Sonic pretty often wanders around space, the cutscene before the Death Egg in Sonic 2 and Death Egg Act 2 from Sonic 3 is one of the earliest examples of this... Not to mention in cutscenes he doesn't need rings to turn Super Sonic, in Sonic 3 he just does it and in Sonic Unleashed he doesn't collect jack before rushing in a golden rampage.

This Mario vs Sonic argument seriously needs to stop

@GottaFistDemAll

Ай бұрын

It's not going to stop. Mario vs Sonic is a fandom's Holy Grail of debates. Either be a part of it or just move away from the topic. I have grown tired of these arguments years ago, so I simply stop getting involved unless I want to joke around. It's not that serious, unless you want to make it serious.

@Barkity

Ай бұрын

⁠honestly it doesn’t matter anymore, Mario is just more relevant nowdays and it’s gonna take an eternity (ironically) for sonic to catch up

@Themasktrooper

Ай бұрын

@@Barkity both characters are relevant nowadays

@bootea-qy5dt

Ай бұрын

​@@Themasktrooperthey probably mean the rough history sonic has had with games

@_Caleb_H

Ай бұрын

I agree what's the point of it anyway?

I just feel like they would be friends Mario is better at something’s and sonic is better at other things

@Oceane1803

Ай бұрын

They can be friends AND rivals.

@NehemiahSimpson-eu5sk

Ай бұрын

Yeah but rivals don’t try and kill each other is mainly friendly brawls.

@Oceane1803

Ай бұрын

@@NehemiahSimpson-eu5sk When did they ever try killing each other ?

@alan-tairov

Ай бұрын

i mean they did a collab twice but in both they fighted (smash bros. brawl, sonic and mario at the olympics games)

@Oceane1803

Ай бұрын

@@NehemiahSimpson-eu5sk I could have sworn I replied. Anyway what I thought I said was that well... When did they ever try to kill each other ?

Alright I just want to make 2 things clear: The Mario in Mario odyssey is not the same Mario as the one in paper Mario, same goes with every other spin off. Also, remember the beginning cutscene in Mario odyssey? When bowsers hat was swinging back around to launch Mario off his ship, mario didn’t have the reaction time to dodge bowsers hat the second time. So please explain to me how Mario could react to someone who almost out ran a black hole?

@ohosmandivine6770

Ай бұрын

I have been saying both Mario and paper Mario are not the same being. Anyway good point

@mama-mia9409

Ай бұрын

And do you think Sonic can win against someone who SURVIVED a black hole

@paulgilbert5278

Ай бұрын

Mario from the M&L games is the same though so...

@WesleyMoore-id2qo

Ай бұрын

No he’s not. Mario from M&L is a totally separate Mario from the main Mario games, the Mario from M&L is not the same Mario from a main line game like Mario odyssey.

@WesleyMoore-id2qo

Ай бұрын

Game mario never survived a black hole.

I honestly think it could go across either way. In terms of strength and durability, they're both universal threats, if not multiversal. Though while Mario gets to this level casually in base form, thanks to him being able to keep up with Zeekeeper and Dreamy Bowser without power-ups, Sonic rarely displays that level of power in base form, but otherwise, Super Sonic has shown himself to be that powerful pretty consistently, thanks to him beating characters like Solaris and the Time Eater. In terms of speed, it's surprisingly debatable as to who's faster since they should both be fast enough to travel across the universe in very short periods of time. They also have arguments for having an immeasurable speed since they're able to keep up with boses like the Time Eater and Celux. But again, Sonic is considerably more likely to reach that level of speed as Super Sonic, whereas him having immeasurable speed in base form is highly questionable. In terms of versatility, Mario definitely takes it, thanks to him being kinda stacked when it comes to what equipment he has on him, though I wouldn't consider that an automatic win condition, especially since Mario and Sonic are arguably comparable to each other in terms of physicality. And about the Super Sonic thing, Mario could wait for him to run out of time, but Super Sonic is just as likely to overpower Mario before he can react. Btw, I can think of other matchups that might interest you more than Mario vs Sonic, namely Mario vs Mickey Mouse and Sonic vs Son Goku.

@fontanermario

Ай бұрын

The speed is very debatable since Mario along with Luigi in the base state can escape from a black hole created by the dark star in M&L Bowser Inside story.

@Mr-Rando423

Ай бұрын

@fontanermario Funnily enough, so has Sonic in Sonic Colors, which reinforces their physicality being similar.

@luiscontreras769

Ай бұрын

@@Mr-Rando423I mean Sonic still does get captured by the black hole in colors but the feat is still impressive

@solarfiringtiger4254

Ай бұрын

Super Sonic does not have a time limit

@luiscontreras769

Ай бұрын

@@solarfiringtiger4254 yes it does, it lasts longer than Mario’s does but he has multiple super forms and ways to work around super sonic

I Hope I live long enough to see a Mario VS Sonic Movie being made. Not like it would deliver a definitive answer, Nah, that debate goes forth and back like a Goomba stuck between two pipes. Just want to see the spectacle.

@SHADOWTH3H3DG3H0G3

Ай бұрын

Or like Sonic in Sonic CD being hit against 2 sideways springs

The funny thing is when people try to say other characters could beat them both like link, mega man, crash etc. Both the Sonic and mario side band together to debunk or talk trash

Bro literally forgot that Hyper Sonic can breath underwater.

@jazzjackson9817

Ай бұрын

Except that you need certain amount rings to maintain hyper form just like most of sonic forms.

@sonic_production

Ай бұрын

@@jazzjackson9817tbf rings are just a gimmick not smth sonic actually needs in sonic x he didnt need rings, so didnt he in the second sonic movie

@joelwright8458

Ай бұрын

@@sonic_production rings work differently in the movies🤓

@sonic_production

Ай бұрын

​@@joelwright8458yeah, but not as a super sonic source, and thats what matters

@danielteel9792

Ай бұрын

​@@sonic_productionEven though rings to matter to Super Sonic in frontiers, during the fight against The End in Final Horizons, Sonic ends up losing rings during a cutscenes making him temporarily lose his Super Form, which Sega could have just not implemented since it was a cutscene

Ok. This video needs research. 1. Sonic CAN swim in Sonic Colors. And thanks to the boost, he can get out of the water in a matter of seconds. 2. Mario has better combat. Mario & Luigi skills > Sonic Frontiers skills 3. Super Sonic doesn't have time limit. Yes, you can knock him, but in Sonic Advance Sonic stayed in super form for 3 days. And even if you knock him, as demonstrated in Sonic Frontiers, Sonic is able to regain the form instantly. This advantage is even better with Super Sonic 2. 4. In Sonic Battle, Sonic & the Secret Rings and Sonic Generations Sonic has very good abilities that you didn't mention. 5. Mario has better durability and endurance than Sonic. This is what I consider Mario's best advantage in the fight.

@sonicthehedgehog1606

Ай бұрын

Wrong sonic takes most the categories

@MilesReset

Ай бұрын

@@sonicthehedgehog1606 Most, not every category

@sonicthehedgehog1606

Ай бұрын

@@MilesReset that's what i said

@MilesReset

Ай бұрын

@@sonicthehedgehog1606 I just reaffirmed it

@Supermari0986

Ай бұрын

I admit that compared to sonic I'm not the fastest, but I'm a test of patience for him , if he ever overcomes that he will-a beat me , but for now this whole thing is meaningless since we usually don't fight hehe , cool mentions though yahoo!

1st, the ring thing is a game gimmick, it’s never been mentioned before that sonic needs rings to run fast or to keep his super form. 2nd, water doesn’t matter in a versus fight, because by adding water you are giving it a biased battleground

@Joshuatheidiot

Ай бұрын

I think the ring thing is heavily implied but I get where your coming from. And also if we're allowing cappy then couldn't we just idk have the entire sonic cast or even just tails

@egeparlak8004

Ай бұрын

Sonic Generations and The Murder Of Sonic The Hedgehog: (Classic Tails questioned the rings at ending cutscene of Generations)

@stargazer-elite

Ай бұрын

Honestly, any battleground is a biased battleground like if you added water, it would be unfair to sonic, but if you made it a flat plain, it would be unfair to Mario, I’d say if they wanted to make it fair, they should just make the battleground as diverse as possible volcanoes, mountains, oceans, deserts, wastelands, grassy fields, jungles, etc.

@marcussilos3025

Ай бұрын

Sonic needing the rings to run fast is a gimmick anywhere else it’s canon@@egeparlak8004

@marcussilos3025

Ай бұрын

Not saying make it a flat plain, I’m saying just don’t add water, and yes, I know, Mario mostly relies on his surroundings in a fight, so you don’t need to tell me@@stargazer-elite

As both a Mario and Sonic Fan this is ridiculous. I thought we squashed this years ago.

@alan-tairov

Ай бұрын

fr, remember that one ad that said *sega does what nintendont* lol

@GottaFistDemAll

Ай бұрын

As time goes on and new information arises many people will bring up this topic. In other words; history is repeating itself.

I think the biggest problem with this debate is that everyone is always thinking about what kind of forms they can take, like in dragon ball or something. But they can’t just change into these powered up versions of themselves on command, they would have to go find the items needed, and I doubt that when Mario is fighting sonic he is just gonna have an invincible tanooki suit or cappy on him, same goes with Sonic.

@chineduj-o6291

Ай бұрын

While your right, smash bros kind of suggested that base Mario does have cappy with him at all times and Frontiers suggests that base Sonic can throw hands

@Lilpoppa05

Ай бұрын

​@@chineduj-o6291base sonic could been throw hands way before frontiers

@ClassicSonictheRemixer

Ай бұрын

While you may be right, games like Super Mario World, the New Super Mario Bros Series and Wonder, and the RPG games show Mario capable of carrying many powerups on his person, and it can make sense for Sonic to have the emeralds on him. Besides, it's more fun to see how their vast powers will clash anyways

@Joshuatheidiot

Ай бұрын

​@@ClassicSonictheRemixer the golden leaf would turn into a regular leaf once taken out of a level.

While I'm more to think Sonic can win even if barely , I think it's a tie.

Thanks for this video! This makes the already too heated discussion even worse. Like!

I’d usually be mad at these kind of debates but honestly this one brings me a sense of nostalgia so I’ll let it slide just this once

Here’s why the resurgence of Mario vs Sonic is happening, Death Battle made 2 episodes on this matchup, and with them making a third Goku vs Superman fight, and it being viewed as one of the episodes in the show’s history, people want Death Battle to make a third Mario vs Sonic with the same glow up.

In Wario World, Wario defeated the Black Jewel who was pretty much a god. There were also a few other disturbing and powerful bosses in that game. Even though those weren't Mario feats per se, it's a safe assumption that Mario could have done it too Although that said, I agree with the people saying Mario and Sonic would more likely be friends

@NehemiahSimpson-eu5sk

Ай бұрын

Technically mario has token out Wario before this could be added to the debate maybe.

@noktyrnylblayze7058

Ай бұрын

@@NehemiahSimpson-eu5sk I mean, in my onion Wario and Mario are pretty much equals with different style and who beats who when it comes to those two has more to do with plot armor than anything, but that's really just me and not everyone would agree with that which is okay

@alan-tairov

Ай бұрын

​​@@noktyrnylblayze7058in my *onion*

@GottaFistDemAll

Ай бұрын

I think Rudy the Clown peaked for Wario. Rudy is a literal god trapped in a music box and was the only thing capable of killing Wario. You get a Game Over if you lose.

It's Sonic because after Frontiers he's much smarter and is so fast Mario wouldn't even catch him.

The Mario VS Sonic debate just never ends, which debating in general if it's overused is honestly annoying to me. I may prefer Mario over Sonic The Hedgehog, but my bias is not the reason I think he would win against Sonic. It's because Mario overall edges in strength, durability, and an arsenal while Sonic edges in faster speed, but speed isn't everything imo. He can certainly keep up with Sonic, and is shown to move very fast in his own right, such as when you mentioned the game Super Mario Odyssey. Though also Super Mario Galaxy as well. Nice that you decided to bring up this topic because it's safe to say Mario VS Sonic needs to end. Both are great video game protagonists.🔴🔵

Sorry but anyone who says Mario SHOULD win is straight up bias and/or just hate Sonic for some reason, Sonic is clearly broken enough to beat Mario, what we should be debating on is Sonic V. Kirby now THAT'S interesting

@Squeam9750

Ай бұрын

Nope you're bias. I'm not too conservative to think Sonic can't win he most certainly can. But Mario's vast arsenal, similar reaction timings, and equal amount of experience should get him over. It's not an easy fight by any means tho.

@Right_Bumper

Ай бұрын

Sonic beats both Mario and Kirby. The guy beat a 4th dimensional being, that's well above anything in Mario or Kirby's universe

@Supermari0986

Ай бұрын

​@@Right_Bumperwhat's... Fourth-dimensional? Like-a does that matter in fights now? Wow I just thought that timing and patience was the key , I was fighting sonic in friendly battles before to train , I feel like dimensions have nothing to do at all woohoo

@Supermari0986

Ай бұрын

Besides I don't wanna meddle into arguments like these because they put me against a inspiration of Goku in the ring , but lemme tell you I'm far for weak either , as the first comment mentioned, i have lots-a items , power-ups , cappy , and tons more of tricks I could pull up to give sonic a fair fight , talk about bias... Either way I don't care I thought sonic and I left this rivalry thing back in the 90's anyways woohoo

@CaptainOfTheLeviathan

Ай бұрын

@@Supermari0986 Hey Mario

As bigger of a fan of Sonic than Mario that I might be, I’d be agreeing completely about Mario winning. If it wasn’t for the fact that Sonic has straight up denied mind control before. So even if Mario were to get cappy to land on Sonics head, I wouldn’t say it’s a guaranteed win for Mario. Now I’m not entirely sure if Cappy/Mario is straight up using mind control or if it’s something else, but the closest thing I can liken it to, is mind control. And Sonic himself is immune to mind control as seen in the game Sonic Chronicles.

@user-tv9db8oe6k

Ай бұрын

It’s possession, not mind control

@The-Void-Kahn

Ай бұрын

Possession is really just a more direct way of mind control. By possessing something, you control their thoughts and actions. Mind control does that too. Mind control is a relatively broader term.

@user-tv9db8oe6k

Ай бұрын

@@The-Void-Kahn Eh, I wouldn’t call it the same. Putting your entire essence of being into someone (pause) probably works a lot differently than just putting them under a spell, or something, even if they grant you the same access to said person. Remember, it’s not just controlling someone, it’s literally straight up being that other person.

@Replies.Delete.SometimesIDKy

Ай бұрын

Forget that. The hat isnt even getting on him. Its not even catching cIassic base sonic.

the good ending: mario and sonic quit fightin and hang out as buddies.

Due to the nature of the video being biased, here are some bulletpoints: 1. Super Sonic does *not* have a time limit and can't get crushed canonically. This in it of itself should end any debate. Sonic may not blitz Mario (unless it's Hyper), but Sonic can definitely overpower Mario, and if he can't due to Star, he can stall, forever. Mario will get tired eventually, Sonic never gets tired. 2. Mario's "arsenal" of powerups is dumb, most of those powerups aren't gonna be used, since they are situational. Only Star and whatever else fits the fight better. Mario also may have a big arsenal, but you need the item for said powerups. This just doesn't even make it possible for Mario to use all of his powerups. 3. Mario's durability, strength and speed may be on par with Sonic's (durability may be higher, even), but his reaction time... Oh man, his reaction time. ESPECIALLY compared to Sonic's reaction time. 4. Sonic ain't weak to water no more. Swim, boost and goodbye. 5. Search up Archie Sonic and Ultra Sonic. They aren't the games Sonic, but boy they are way, WAY better. Can solo DBS verse type of better. 6. Cappy ain't catching Sonic, sorry to break it to you. Even then, Cappy wouldn't BE there in the first place, he's long gone. 7. This fight would never take place anyways. End of debate.

@StevenJones851

Ай бұрын

Nice comment dude thanks for the information

Mario would win because of 3 words: Backwards Long Jump. YaYaYaYaYaYaYaYahoo

@vulpevulpevulpevulpevulpevulpe

Ай бұрын

think sonic is fast? oh well, all mario needs is a staircase and he can travel to paralel universes in seconds.

@BeamanBricks

Ай бұрын

@@vulpevulpevulpevulpevulpevulpe Also Mario is from America 🇺🇸 sooo… 🔫💣

@Funtimeryan2

Ай бұрын

@@vulpevulpevulpevulpevulpevulpeit Is a glitch and is not canonical

@alan-tairov

Ай бұрын

​@@Funtimeryan2you know that mario can turn into sonic by using cappy, right? also the blj is canon ur just jealous that mario is better also bro has a ms paint pfp

@alan-tairov

Ай бұрын

​@@BeamanBricksmario is italy

I say: Screw them both, I'm Team Donkey Kong.

@GottaFistDemAll

Ай бұрын

BANANA SLAMMA

@egeparlak8004

Ай бұрын

Team Bowser!

@danielteel9792

Ай бұрын

Donkey Kong solos all Donkey Kong is all Donkey Kong is deserving of worship. All hail Donkey Kong

@WertsAnimations

Ай бұрын

Based

@josueproductions5007

Ай бұрын

I’m Team Tails. He is literally immortal. No matter how many times he dies, that little mf comes back somehow. Tails is the chosen one.

What's funny is that I think I remember it being Super Star Mario vs Super Sonic, and I said it would vary depending on how much time each form has left.

@solarfiringtiger4254

Ай бұрын

Meaning Mario loses because Super Sonic has no time limit canonically

@Lewisart-eo8fv

26 күн бұрын

@@solarfiringtiger4254 and the power star lasts for 10-20 seconds

Sonic can actually keep his super form for days its shown in Sonic advance The ring limit is just a game mechanic

The movies that come out from both of these series will only make this debate continue on for even longer, it's inevitable.

If we’re including power ups, than thanks to sonic superstars one of the chaos emeralds allows sonic to swim and breathe under water

@dbzonic1

Ай бұрын

Very true

@Joshuatheidiot

Ай бұрын

If we're including power ups there has been a sheild that let's him breath under water since 1994

@GottaFistDemAll

Ай бұрын

Isn't that exclusive to Classic Sonic since they are two different characters in different universes?

@Joshuatheidiot

Ай бұрын

@@GottaFistDemAll no classic is sonic from the past

@dbzonic1

Ай бұрын

@@GottaFistDemAll nope

Sonic is technically stronger, but Mario could probably defeat him my using another method rather than just fists. So the correct answer to who would win is whatever the writers decide.

@RealSuperStar_SonicSpeed

Ай бұрын

sonic with world rings can do that

Me personally, Sonic wins. He has a wide range of forms and you did not include the monitors (Bubble Shield, Flame Shield, etc). Those are huge feats for sonic. Some other examples to back me up is Sonics speed (of course). Yes, this seems obvious, but listen. If mario is going to fight him? Sonic will just run around him. Mario does not have the quick thinking and physical speed. Please don't fight me on this. This is MY opinion.

if neither of them had access to the chaos emeralds or any power-ups, sonic would easily win

@paulgilbert5278

Ай бұрын

Superstar Saga has entered the room. But seriously Mario can handle himself without power-ups

@Joshuatheidiot

Ай бұрын

His abilities boil down to jump and hammer unless luigi was there but at that point the fights just been rigged

@kxnnoir

Ай бұрын

Frontiers has entered the chat, no discussion

Mario is one of the fabled star children,fought god-like beings,multiple power ups.can breathe in space.can swim Sonic is likely the true ultimate lifeform,fought many gods,multiple power ups.can breathe in space Putting them side by side they're practically equal in almost every aspect.the Olympic Games Mario is rounded while sonic is a bit more focused on speed.while they have their own strengths,it would probably still end up in a draw

7:09 I think in frontiers they were more being stolen than leaving of their own accord, cause they never did that before, heck Sonic can even keep them between games in Sonic 2 - 3 and In Unleashed + before that...

Mario with his retry clock. Every Mario & Luigi final boss

@darthtyranus787

Ай бұрын

06...adventure 1

@user-ko8kv1dh4u

Ай бұрын

ressurection dosen't coun cuz mario would win no-diff sonic isn't immortal mario is type 4 called respawning

@stargazer-elite

Ай бұрын

@@user-ko8kv1dh4u sonic can respawn as well if we’re going to say Mario can do it then, so can sonic

@user-ko8kv1dh4u

Ай бұрын

NO just cuz one opponet has it that dosen't mean the other gets it tf that's like sayin goku can get revived so saitama can to noooo unless proven dude and he should've did that when mephiles got him@@stargazer-elite

@user-ko8kv1dh4u

Ай бұрын

and again it matters if the respawns are game mechanics or not and well according to story if mario were to die and mario 64 japan manual he would respawn anyways@@stargazer-elite

Well Ive always said that they would be the perfect counter to each other. Sonic is weaker than Mario but he's way faster meaning he can throw infinintly more punches than Mario but Mario has that strength that can manage to damage Sonic majorly but at a much slower rate. They wouldnt even fight if they were to meet anyway so whats the point in arguing.

@MemeMaster-fq6xs

Ай бұрын

Mario is a litteral plumber who has killed at best a god and don’t even make me mention Archie sonic

@paulgilbert5278

Ай бұрын

@@MemeMaster-fq6xs Super Mario Kun?

@egeparlak8004

Ай бұрын

Sonic simps when Sonic is losing a debate (they ****MUST**** throw Archie foddernic in the ring who is Base Dante victim):

@Right_Bumper

Ай бұрын

@@egeparlak8004 It's funny, cuz Sonic doesn't *need* Archie to beat Mario. He's just that strong

@sonicthehedgehog1606

Ай бұрын

​@@egeparlak8004archie solos that 9D fodder

ARE YOU SERIOUSLY PEOPLE ARE STILL ON THIS ???? sorry for the capslock but this is just stupid at this point the war was over back in the 90's...

@Supermari0986

Ай бұрын

Same , like we don't even fight like-a that anymore hehe, but fans are fans what can we do? Nothing just let-a them argue..

I think this is very circumstantial but if sonic wasn’t so egotistical and if the circumstances were in his favor he could win 90% of the time but I think mario takes it most of the time

@Joshuatheidiot

Ай бұрын

You know sonic can run while moking his enemies right?

I'd say blame the fandoms for bringing this up on Mario day, whether it be the Mario fans who wanted to start so crap on Mario day, or the Sonic fans for the same reason.

@paulgilbert5278

Ай бұрын

Trust me its the Sonic fans 99%. When you've been with both fandoms you'll notice that Mario's genuinely doesn't care (at least until they retaliate) and why should they care? Nintendo won the console wars in the early 90s so to them its over. Sonic's on the other hand feel the need to one-up Mario's because they lost and want to validate themselves.

@Lord_Frieza351

Ай бұрын

⁠@@paulgilbert5278 It’s true. Sometimes it sucks to be a part of a community with children that care *way* too much about two video game characters. It’s always going to turn into a “who’s the better character” argument in any case

@Replies.Delete.SometimesIDKy

Ай бұрын

Sonic sIams mario in every multimedia facet. Sonic even made the mario movie get deIayed. But anyways yeah sonic fans do it but no. Nario fans have done it many times. When fromtiers was coming up, just nintendo fans in general were saying it was gonna be another bad game in the "long list" if bad games. So anyone saying mario fans dont do that are just dishonest ppI.

@paulgilbert5278

Ай бұрын

@@Replies.Delete.SometimesIDKy They're both good. Your opening statement just further proves Sonic fans just love being the instigator. As for Frontiers, you can't blame Mario fans for thinking it would flop given history. Mario fans aren't perfect but they at least have chill which Sonic fans don't. Case and point, sending death threats to 4kids voice actors and people spouting unpopular opinions like" SA2 is bad" or "Sonic 2 is dated", and some people in this very comment section too. There's just no chill over there.

Blud said Mario could catch Sonic with Cappy 💀

@fontanermario

Ай бұрын

Cappy being able to transport Mario at the speed of light itself:😹🤙

@Takt.mp4

Ай бұрын

bro said light speed 💀wait till you realize Sonic was light speed 30 years ago

@DDDTJ

Ай бұрын

@@Takt.mp4sound*

@stickman_ig

Ай бұрын

@@DDDTJ no, sonic is literally light speed. he just base runs at the speed of sound, it's been stated multiple times by official sonic guide books and sega themselves that sonic is light speed. get city escape out of your head lil bro

@DDDTJ

Ай бұрын

@@stickman_ig well uhm actually sonic has also been stated to be sspeeed of sound so actually according to my actual calculations no tf u are wrong wtf

At this point, i'd say that it would be a tie and like it said in the vid, situations could happen where Mario wins or Sonic wins, or even both, besides, Nintendo and Sega teamed up like ages ago and Sonic and Mario are basically buddies now so why yall gotta argue over such a dumb debate, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR WELL OVER 10 YEARS...

I actually saw this debate on Twitter a few days ago.

I don’t see how mario could even stand a chance against a simple spindash, and just because sonic is scared of water and can’t swim he has conquered water levels many times in most games, and he can run on water. And you said sonic can’t top up his superform but he can, he just needs to collect rings, and rings are much more common than stars, all sonic would need to do is cyloop mario spindash through him to knock him away, purposefully let mario hit him and then parry and do a grand slam and Mario’s dead without even needing a superform. You also include rpgs in Mario’s list of feats even though they aren’t canon, if your doing comp mario, then I’ll do comp sonic, and that includes Archie sonic, and well let’s just say you don’t want mess with Archie sonic. Supersonic was only stopped by Eggman who had lots of time to prepare and caught sonic off guard, I don’t think mario has the iq to make a machine that can stop supersonic, and considering this is a fair fight you wouldn’t have any traps just raw skill. Very biased video With incorrect information Sonic Solos no contest

@vashtianthony2442

Ай бұрын

Bro people always have a big problem with people doing Sonic but think it's okay for them to do cop Mario and think we wouldn't do it the same like😅

@Kookie_13_

Ай бұрын

@@vashtianthony2442 I just don’t know how you can defend someone in a no contest fight

@vashtianthony2442

Ай бұрын

@@Kookie_13_ ? What do you mean Sonic smashes easily

@Kookie_13_

Ай бұрын

@@vashtianthony2442 I may have misunderstood your reply

@vashtianthony2442

Ай бұрын

@@Kookie_13_ oh it's ok

Not biased or anything, but the only reasons why eggman could have caught sonic is because he has over 300 IQ AND he has over THIRTY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE with the hedgehog. just pointin that out. And not even talking about sonics many forms, Fleetway (comics), Dark spine (not dark cuz hes overrated), HYPER SONIC!1!!11 (even though he cant technically transform into it anymore (because the super emeralds are in a different dimension, but those said emeralds COULD have landed in the dimension where the fight took place)), Cyber sonic (idk what its called, i am still tryna finish frontiers), and many others. (im not counting archie) so he has a mega advantage. but the cherry ability IS powerful for mario. but sonic HAS defeated multiple enemies AT ONCE using his phantom strike attack. plus i dont even think that cappy would agree to fight sonic. mainly because he only joined up with mario because his sister was trapped with peach. Close tie but sonic WOULD win in the end. I do appreciate marios feats but against sonic, sonic would ultimately come out in the top. not even mentioning the super stars emerald powers if your counting super mario wonder.

@Squeam9750

Ай бұрын

Most of the Badniks that Eggman uses are no different stat wise from most of the Baddies Mario has to deal with. Mario and Sonic has similar reactions and combative timings. Especially in Dream Team where Dreams are literal Universes, and Luigi casually jumped to and from Star systems

@Supermari0986

Ай бұрын

Mmmm... That would be true if I didn't have any of my items from my past RPG adventures.. if I didn't have half if not doubled gimmick power-ups , infinite stars.. just to name a few , and you're in the wrong about cappy , cappy actually would rather join to help me in the fight cause of two core reasons: one either this fight happened in the odyssey timeline , basically in the middle of my adventure to save princess peach and Cappy's sister , and two, because all of this would be a friendly fight , i dont even fight sonic like that neither he does , we both go without items nor super forms or alternative forms ,yet we would either tie , or the first one to fumble-a timing would-a lose , but it's somewhat fun yet at the same time tiring to see people argue about this yahoo!

One gigantic problem with the Mario vs Sonic debate is that we dont know if Sonic could use Marios powers up..i mean with his speed Sonic could easly steal all of Marios power ups before Mario could use them and one other problem is that we dont know if Cappy can control Sonic because Sonic was able to not be manipulated by Dark Gaia and we dont know if Cappy is fast enough to catch Sonic...so that Debate is technally impossible until we see a true Mario vs Sonic Game from Sega and Nintendo!

@Lewisart-eo8fv

26 күн бұрын

oh yeah... that reminds me of the dark sonic vs the world animation where he solo'd every one and stole mario's power-ups

Why can’t sonic have his other forms from his games? 😅

@CuteRedPanda64

Ай бұрын

They're only a one time forms.

@GottaFistDemAll

Ай бұрын

​@@CuteRedPanda64especially the Sonic Storybook series. Sonic can't just use Excalibur and The Seven World Rings whenever he wants.

@SHADOWTH3H3DG3H0G3

Ай бұрын

Why can't Archie Sonic fight Mario?

@GottaFistDemAll

Ай бұрын

@@SHADOWTH3H3DG3H0G3 He could, but it's exclusively video game in-universe character focus, and the Sonic Archive series are completely different from game Sonic.

@Replies.Delete.SometimesIDKy

Ай бұрын

The wisps arent one time.

IMHO Mario wins but neither should be underestimated. They work way better as a team tbh

@jamesjackson6717

Ай бұрын

W

@MemeMaster-fq6xs

Ай бұрын

Blud Mario won’t even blink and he’ll be dead

@MemeMaster-fq6xs

Ай бұрын

Mario is a fat middle aged plumber like what 😂😂😂

@_NormalEditor

Ай бұрын

@@MemeMaster-fq6xs mario is 24 and is a star child

@GottaFistDemAll

Ай бұрын

​@@_NormalEditorGlad to know someone else understands the forgotten Mario lore.

They had to nerf mario after sm64 to keep him from being to op.

@legalza0843

Ай бұрын

His most powerful is in the Mario and Luigi games and maybe galaxy

@mario_fan-qq4hq

Ай бұрын

Yes, especially with that BLJ

@Joshuatheidiot

Ай бұрын

​@@mario_fan-qq4hq M-speed: I'm about to end this man's whole career

@DarkXream

Ай бұрын

Mario's strongest feats are game plot holes like surviving super mario galaxy. People try to upscale him with these things in mind to make him win an unwinnable fight

@grigorirasputin996

Ай бұрын

Mario 64 is by far the best move set mario has ever had. He's an absolute unit in that game. Rpgs are lame and the galaxy duo is severely overrated.

Sonic is not limited to chaos emeralds and whips, he has the power boxes, which have multiple powers, regular shield, bubble shield, electric shield which does electric damage and acts like a magnet, fire shield which defends against fire and gives sonic a fire dash, invincibility shield which makes him invisible, also you completely forgot on purpose about hyper form, it's funny you gave mario cappy which was a power up for only 1 game, sonic should have the lightspeed dash ring, fire ring, bounce bracelet, chaos control which is a time stop which mario has no counter for at all, lightspeed attack, and more, so yeah you was very biest towards mario, next time you want to do a video like this don't cheat and hope no one will notice

@fontanermario

Ай бұрын

The less ardent sonic fan:

@dbzonic1

Ай бұрын

@@fontanermario ?

4:25 boy smash is not canon

@Lewisart-eo8fv

26 күн бұрын

no way blud thought smash was canon. 💀

Mario is pretty skilled in combat in the RPGs

@user-ko8kv1dh4u

Ай бұрын

exactly

Who would win is very situational. Mario cant track super sonic speeds alone so Sonic does have an edge. Both have the potential to destroy eachother under the right circumstances.

@sonicgod12

Ай бұрын

nah hold on mario can react to basikcally any speed and he has irrelevant speed

aint no way marios touching him even once after losing the BLJ ability

If y'all think a human plumber could be a blue alien hedgehog who runs so fast that he could travel through time and space it's okay That's what you think

@Squeam9750

Ай бұрын

Respect to you bro

I love Mario and all, but super speed has turned out to be one of the most overpowered abilities across all of media, not just with Sonic. Add on top of that Sonic's 1 Ring rule and the fact that he doesn't drop all of them when hit anymore shows that it really should be Sonic that wins at least 99.99999% of the time. The only way Mario could win is extreme luck (because the power ups he'd need to defeat Sonic need to appear by chance) or they'd have to be doing something other than battle, like a baking competition or jumping contest. If it is a battle there is almost no reason why Sonic should loose. The only people who would think otherwise are either blindsided by nostalgia or are purposefully forgetting that all the power ups that could defeat Sonic are entirely luck based. Plus the whole Cappy thing of how Mario could just capture Sonic is dumb because if Mario just captures Sonic and kills Sonic that would kill Mario too, Odyssey shows us this. In Odyssey I capture a Hammer Bro and jump into lava, that kills both the Hammer Bro AND Mario, so I don't see why that would be different here.

@Joshuatheidiot

Ай бұрын

I completely forgot about the rings lol

Well Mario has many more different power-ups. sometimes one power is enough. and that is his speed sonic is almost faster than a black hole and remember he had just fought one of eggmans most powerful robobots has no boost energy and even after that he was still faster than light. And the reason Mario could survive that Universe Rebirth was because of Rosalina and the Lumas, not because of Mario himself

@REI0o0o0

Ай бұрын

Also the only reason why Sonic lost to Galeem in Smash Ultimate was because he slowed down to try to save Pikachu

@joopvanhedel1372

Ай бұрын

@@REI0o0o0 I always find it annoying when people talk about who is stronger Mario or Sonic. I'm both a Mario and Sonic fan, but Mario has better games, you can argue about that. But Sonic is just stronger. people just argue for the sake of arguing

I think the issue with this ‘matchup’ is that these two are like the worst characters to powerscale. Cause there’s just too much crap that they have on them, and most of it heavily relies on the persons own interpretation of said feat. Making any conclusion just something completely opinionated no matter what. Most of the debate that I see comes from people arguing over what feats count, what iterations of the characters count, and the ‘actual level’ of those feats. This, is probably why this debate to me will likely be an endless discussion. Especially as more and more games on these two come out that just adds more to the pile that people can use to twist into their own arguments.

I understand that you really didn't research much into either characters feats, but to keep it short. The nitty gritty of each of their biggest feats is that Sonic's is like significantly larger. And most, if not all of Mario's feats are significantly less impressive when lined up next to Sonic's.

Mario, Mostly because of: - Super Mario RPG - Super Paper Mario - Paper Jam - Dream Team - Super Mario Galaxy 1 & 2 - Mario Party 6

@jamesjackson6717

Ай бұрын

Super paper mario.

@PayblozWilfong

Ай бұрын

bro sonic would win

@BlueJourney2719

Ай бұрын

@@PayblozWilfong Oh boy here we go

@superflameking03

Ай бұрын

What does Mario Party 5 have that would make Mario win? (I've only played N64 Mario Parties and Wii onwards, I honestly have no idea.)

@PayblozWilfong

Ай бұрын

@@BlueJourney2719 Do you want me to explain

Also you forgot to mention mario defeated dimentio who was going to end the cosmology (universe, dimensions basically the structures in mario) that get mario higher than multiversal. Mario also has a ability that allows him to not die (Save and Load block) it can make maro go back in time or helps mario to restart an battle or a mission. Not game mechanic since it's been narratively stated in the story of the rpg games themselves.

@jamesjackson6717

Ай бұрын

​@@neoncobalt1779LOL WE CAN RUN THAT.

@jamesjackson6717

Ай бұрын

​@@neoncobalt1779Pure hearts only nullified super dimentio's invulnerability and healed Mario's party.

@jamesjackson6717

Ай бұрын

​@@neoncobalt1779Plus mario has destiny manipulation and fate manipulation, due to tippi saying the heroes can choose their destiny and fate.

@jamesjackson6717

Ай бұрын

​@@neoncobalt1779think? It's the truth, I could give you the scans on discord.

@flxwerhxrts4037

Ай бұрын

sonic had to fight solaris which is multiversal and stated to eat timelines

outside of smash Bros, you havent played the spin offs and other games he has special attacks in

Sonic has never been afraid of water in the games, that was something made up by Sonic X. Sure he didn't used to be able to swim, but as seen in Colors he kinda can now by using his ball state and infinitely jumping underwater. Sure he still isn't great with water, but throwing him in the ocean is far from an instant loss. Super Sonic has also tanked attacks from beings that threatened the entire multiverse, consuming universes and timelines during their fight. It takes at the very least a universe busting level attack to knock around Super Sonic, and Mario doesn't have anything even close to that. Super Sonic is also several dozen times faster then light as seen by him going from earth to the asteroid belt in just a few seconds, and even base Sonic has shown on several occasions to be casually FTL and is durable enough survive a collapsing black hole. Super Sonic also doesn't run out of juice very easily, as in Sonic Advance we see him fly off into space and remain in the Super Form for a few weeks without dropping. It's likely tied to Sonic's stamina in general, which IDW has shown us that he can keep running nonstop for days without rest if he's pushed like that. Sonic also has a ton of powerups just like Mario, from the more well known ones like the shields and invincibility and speed up, to less known ones like rocket boots and spring boots and all the super OP gems from 06. If you look at Sonic's history he has just as many if not MORE gimmicks then Mario, so this point should really be a tie. Also, Cappy doesn't really work on boss enemies unless they're already weakened, and Sonic would very much fall under that category. Paper and RPG Mario are completely different versions of the character, and if you want to use those you should also use Archie Sonic who beat his own shadow in a boxing match and reset the entire multiverse. Using non-canon material isn't at all fair for these kind of debates. I really don't see how Mario can handle a MFTL nigh-invulnerable god. Even if we restrict Sonic to his base form, is there literally any way for Mario to tag Sonic? Or hit him with enough force to hurt him? If he can casually survive falls from space and the inside of a black hole I don't think anything in Mario's arsenal could even make him flinch.

2:45 I thought the games established Mario and Paper Mario to be separate beings... Though their stats are probably borderline identical...

Both Mario and Sonic are strong in their own ways, and depending on how the situation works, it could go either way. But the CORRECT answer to this age old question would be that the two of them become friends, as it’s also the most realistic outcome of this whole debate. Mario and Sonic wouldn’t even fight at all, because it’s not who they really are. Sure, they can get competitive, but if a fight were to break out, it would be far more along the lines of a sparring match between friends, with laughs, smirks and such.

In all honesty, the things brought up are simply countered by "sonic fast haha." The point mentioned that Mario could catch sonic because Eggman's machines could isn't an argument since his machines are made to match his speed. Since speed is on the topic, Sonic speed is leagues above Marios that the fight would be over via speed blitz. This is because (with the power of scaling) sonics speed is at the very least immeasurable speed in base and Marios BEST feat is FTL which is a HUGE difference in speed. Marios best feat is traveling through the galaxy (Which isn't even from himself it's from a machine/power up) while sonics best is simply existing and out speeding someone that shattered time and space. You could mention the side games for Mario with shattered time but those only happened because Mario had a resistance to it (Hacks category, NOT speed). Out speeding 2 time gods that eat and destroy Dimensions (which means they are higher than dimensions itself - instantly scaling to at least infinite speed) Sonic would be better or on par. base sonic is at least immeasurable speed because of him simply restoring destroyed time and space in generations IN BASE. Sonic wouldn't even need supersonic since Mario would be knocked out before he could even use a power/move.

I can't believe two fanbases fighting over who's *"better in a fight"* would be so amusing.😂

In my opinion it is probably the newer gaming youth that has sparked this debate up once again as it was settled over a decade ago that Nintendo and Jump Man is superior in both the fictional and factual realm.

@VoiceActingDude24

Ай бұрын

If they were on a plain field, nothing nearby, and no special specific one time game stuff like happy, who do you think is gonna win? Btw I think that animation in the video was bs cuz hyper sonic travels at the speed of LIGHT

What if we just say they have a draw? They've both proved themselves to be really strong, and they both have fought god-like beings, so what if we just settled the argument this way? With it being a draw? Sure it's no fun but I feel like this way no more debates about this would be held lol, or at least less.

we need a recount on this because you didnt mention all of sonics forms and also to catch him i think it would be really hard for cappy

No way sonic is faster than eggman

What some people dont understand is that most of these debates are for *fun* Just talking to your friend or a stranger about an imaginary characters duking it out, discussing about there powers and skills are *fun* It is okey to debate over fictional characters fighting just remember to keep it under check and dont go too far into it. At the end of the day having *fun* is the most important things about these stuff.

Why are people still debating this. No hate to anyone who is but I honestly see this as childish. Trust me when I was younger I used to be one of those kids, but I quit debating it. It was literally pretty much confirmed Sonic wins. It stated that in one of the smash bros games, and Rodger Craig Smith confirmed that Sonic wins as well. However, in reality it was literally also confirmed that Sonic and Mario are best friends.

@FancyBreadSticks

Ай бұрын

Someone get this information into the public eye, it's all a lie! Our debates from when we were 9-10 were useless!!!

@SuperWarioPL

Ай бұрын

Mario can literally grab an Invincibility Leaf or Invincibility Bell and he can't die. It's a tie

@Joshuatheidiot

Ай бұрын

Because I'm 14

I think that if it was no power ups, it would be easy win for Sonic, but with power ups, Mario has a huge variety of powerful abilities that I think could beat Sonic even with the chaos emeralds. Though I have been playing through Sonic Frontiers for the first time, and Super Sonic is crazy strong! But Mario has his giga cat power, star power, invincible Tanooki, etc.

Using Death Battle at the beginning of the video after the intro, is just perfect

@Lewisart-eo8fv

26 күн бұрын

Death battle is so wrong on that. they just used the animation where mario came on top.

1. Mario and paper are not the same being 2. Mario cant survive a blackhole and supernova 3. Mario can't realistically lift a castle 4. The star power/white tanooki leaf/ white cat bell is not invincible against a large pool of lava

@codishotwell150

Ай бұрын

And a Groupe of fuzzles in super Mario 3d world Starman too

@ipaxlosexd

Ай бұрын

1- these are the same confirmed by miyamoto. 2- he can 3- explain 4- Game mechanic Get better arguments

@ohosmandivine6770

Ай бұрын

@@ipaxlosexd 1. Then What's the point of these two been separated in paper jam 2. He can't 3. The one cutscenes Mario mopped the castle to disappear 4. Everything in a game is a game mechanic, that's not a good point

@ipaxlosexd

Ай бұрын

@@ohosmandivine6770 1-still the same 2-he literally survive It on Mario galaxy wym?? 3-what 4- things like that are Game mechanics

@ohosmandivine6770

Ай бұрын

@@ipaxlosexd 1. You just prove my point right 2. Did you even play the game? The black holes in every level one shot Mario if he gets to close to it's orbit or fall off a platform his standing 3. It's one of the cutscenes of super Mario world 4. Again everything in a game is a game mechanic. The power ups, the enemies, the moving platforms, the boss fights everything including the starman not invincible in large pool lava It's like this from 2d to 3d, Nintendo devs know what there doing.

I think it’s a tie

Sonic should win simply due to much better speed. Mario has next to no light speed feats where Sonic has long surpassed that and even having cases for infinite speed due to him running out of the infinite Null Space. He’s also a substantially more skilled fighter with experience in taking people stronger than Mario. We also see Sonic growing in power far more exponentially than Mario as well. There are a few separate occasions of Sonic catching up to his previous Super self as seen with Perfect Chaos and Infinite. Considering Super Sonic has been shown fighting and beating people who can rewrite entire universes before should really put an end to Mario before the fight even begins.

@Squeam9750

Ай бұрын

Mario has multiple MFTL+ speed feats. Literally any debaters worth their intelligence can tell you this

@christopherhicks9944

Ай бұрын

@@Squeam9750 It doesn’t really matter how many FTL+ feats he has when Sonic has infinite speed.

@Lewisart-eo8fv

26 күн бұрын

@@christopherhicks9944 well he had help escaping null space from the oc you make. you make a good point though.

Smash isnt canon. The fire ball is just a reference to fire Mario. P.s. Mario's true weakness is losing his brother

MARIO IS KING!!!

@waff69

Ай бұрын

ngl if there was a sonic vs mario paper mario would have a better chance at winning

I always felt it's much more fun to imagine them as friends with a friendly rivalry.

@GottaFistDemAll

Ай бұрын

They ARE friendly rivals. It's been established like that for years, even before the Olympic game series.

Let's be real though, Mario fans and Sonic fans whining at each other is like watching a bunch of bratty toddlers get into a slapfight. It's pointless, and it goes literally nowhere, yet they *still* bring it up. Also, if KZread still allowed you to send links via comments, i'd definitely be linking Circus Music because that sums up the Powerscaling community in a nutshell.

@paulgilbert5278

Ай бұрын

Sonic fans are the instigators and Mario fans are the retaliators. The former is the bratty toddler who has an inferiority complex and the latter is the bratty toddler who can't ignore taunts

@JustCallMeQwerty

Ай бұрын

@@paulgilbert5278 I remember one time when I made a cute little light-hearted Mario joke on a Sonic video... Biggest mistake of my life... In a nutshell, the Sonic fans got *VERY* *ANGRY* and started to spam my replies with unalive threats, yelling at me to take my own life, and they even threatened to dox me/reveal my personal info and IP address, all because I mentioned Mario *as* *a* *joke.* It got so bad that I was forced to deleted my comment out of genuine fear for me and my family's safety.

@lorenzius4014

Ай бұрын

@@JustCallMeQwerty Ok thats messed up witf

@JustCallMeQwerty

Ай бұрын

@@lorenzius4014 All because I made a stupid joke that merely mentioned Mario... Yet for some reason Sonic fans can't seem to understand why everyone hates them, when they do crap like this!

Well while the cappy argument is good, if you think about it Mario can't catch everything, for example the broodles if they loose their hat Mario can't capture them. Also remember all Sonic has to do to get Mario without a power up is hurt him(like in the Mario movie) Sonic being as fast as he is just spin dashes into Mario and he's without a power up, and another thing with Sonic's ability to stop time via (Chaos control or like the Sonic movie) Mario stands no chance. And you didn't even mention the fact that sonic can turn into cyber super Sonic or whatever you want to call it. So this was a good video I just think you missed some key points. Thx for the video.

Why can't we all agree that they're better togther? Playing Olympic Games and maybe teaming up in a Mario & Luigi RPG Game?

Sonic Gods: Let's destroy the planet and time. Mario's Average God: *Alters Time and Space, creating an infinite void where all cosmology, dimensions, worlds, etc. will be consumed to be replaced by more beautiful ones*

@-AIWillRule

Ай бұрын

You do realize that Solaris wiped out every single Universe and Timeline in existence right? That's a MULTIVERSAL feat. The in Sonic Rush, both EGGMAN and EGGMAN Nega created a robot that used the FRICTION of the chaos and sol emeralds to destroy both Sonic and blazes Universe and use whatevers left to construct a reality that"transcends" dimensions. Then there Time eater who basically did the same as Solaris(albiet slower) and the end which is the cosmic manifestation of death. You Nintendo meat riders need to shut up

@jamesjackson6717

Ай бұрын

​Marioverse is extraversal kiddo, I can easily prove why. And sonic isn't beating mario the slightest.

@paulgilbert5278

Ай бұрын

@@jamesjackson6717 Not hating on Sonic, But Mario and Luigi with their RPG abilities is just too OP. Sonic lands in water and Luigi can use his Thunderhand and boom fried hedgehog.

@fontanermario

Ай бұрын

That argument has already been debunked lol. Nisiquieta are one of the most relevant of Sonic, The Time Eater could not even be complete, it turned out to be a great threat to Sonic and company (stop taking things out of context that were already denied in 2023) It doesn't even compare to Mario's feat of destroying the stone of dreams that contained infinite Universes with its parallels lol. At the end of your comment you leave a typical insult of the conformist Sega fan buying mediocre games to satisfy his ego and resentments of unofficial fanmades​@@-AIWillRule

@darthtyranus787

Ай бұрын

@@jamesjackson6717 bruh sonicverse is author and you dont need to look further than frontiers' final boss

IDK is the guy that was knock out by a hat vs the guy who survive being inside of a black hole I dont even think the developers of the game know what the actual limit of their characters are