The title alone made me guess 7.62x54r

@garmancathotmailcom

4 жыл бұрын

The only other option was .303 British.

@dELTA13579111315

4 жыл бұрын

Same

@garmancathotmailcom

4 жыл бұрын

@Methods Is a 1911 a cartridge? No.

@noclass2gun342

4 жыл бұрын

@@garmancathotmailcom no, but .45 acp is... still it falls just a tad bit short having been adopted in 1911, whereas x54r was adopted pre 1900

@23kilkenny23

4 жыл бұрын

@@garmancathotmailcom wrong. has everyone forgot about the .22lr ???? its been in use since 1884 so 5 years before the 7.64 x 54r. And has been employed in specialist weapons for covert ops as well as being used as a simple military trainer rifles for numerous countries to this day .

Allow me to quote one of my favorite video game please : "Developed before WWI, mass produced during WWII, very popular among snipers from WWIII..."

@ruthlessrubberducky5729

4 жыл бұрын

Which game?

@matthieu150797

4 жыл бұрын

@@ruthlessrubberducky5729 The Metro game franchise. When you go to any salesman in the game this is how they describe 7,62X54R

@ruthlessrubberducky5729

4 жыл бұрын

@Garrison Nichols 7.62x54r The topic of the video.

If I'm not mistaken being a rimmed cartridge isn't really a disadvantage in belt-fed weapons which is where this cartridge is used most of the time.

@brettarmour7254

4 жыл бұрын

It's still suboptimal in belts compared to rimless. Rimless allows disintegrating link belts that you just push the bullet right through directly into the chamber, but rimmed requires you to pull it rearward out of the belt first (a system which has had problems with inertia causing less well designed cartridges to have bullets pulled right out of the neck). It still works, as seen in the PKM and variants/successors, but that is more a testament to the design of 54mmR than the design of pull-push belt feds.

@Reginvalt

4 жыл бұрын

@@brettarmour7254 Rimmed ammo has cons too. Overall result depends on specific sample (hello M60). As it was already said, if you are able to design a good gun for existing cartridge, you don't need to change it.

@aSportishOne

4 жыл бұрын

Now, non disintegrating belts arent great, but then again, the PKM weighs only around 17 pounds, so I'd be willing to try out a PKM for a month instead of an M240L

@kingwiththeax6880

4 жыл бұрын

This cartridge would have died long ago if it wasn't for the PKM. That gun is the real reason they still crank out these rounds. If you have guns chambered in this round, thank the PKM for being the only reason they still make ammo for you to shoot-- its not the PSL or Dragonov. There are better alternatives in use with better cartridges. It continues because of this belt-fed, general-purpose machine gun that dominates the battlefield, around the world, to this day.

@Reginvalt

4 жыл бұрын

@@kingwiththeax6880 Well PK is in service in russian army since 1961 and SVD since 1963 till now (in a form of PKM/PKT/Pecheneg and SVDS). We just can design guns that last 60 years and still strong, yep.

Listen guys, it's "R" for "Rimmed", not "Russian"

@thomasshumate9561

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, I know.

@Gottaculat

4 жыл бұрын

I've been trying to tell people for years the "R" in "USSR" stands for "Rimmed," but no one believes me. 😂 Can't possibly stand for "Republic" because there was nothing republic about it. Rimmed, though, most of the countries that fell to the Soviets were on the rim of Russia... For the love of God, nobody be gullible enough to think I'm being serious.

@garmancathotmailcom

4 жыл бұрын

@@chadhaire1711 Then why are you here?

@garmancathotmailcom

4 жыл бұрын

@@chadhaire1711 I enjoy the videos. You must have lots of friends.

@iluvmym4

4 жыл бұрын

Amy M it’s not a pirate 🏴‍☠️ thing arrrrrr

old school iv8888 style video! the new content is great but videos like this are what made me love this channel years ago.

Buy it, Make it cheap And stack it deep. Poetry to my ears😂

@thomasshumate9561

4 жыл бұрын

I LIKE IT!

@prairiepatriot2162

4 жыл бұрын

LOVE IT!

@jason127x99

4 жыл бұрын

PurposelyPernicious that's what I did with 762x54R when it was cheap!

54r was the first centerfire cartridge I bought in bulk some 20+ years ago when I was 18.... Still remember smelling that 440rnd can of surplus for the first time, good stuff.

I'd love to see more videos like this on an older cartridges history. How it came about, how its changed and adapted over time to stay relevant. Stuff like that.

@reillyberg7761

4 жыл бұрын

@Deadnotsleeping I know them well and may or may not have watched that video at least twice

@jackmazza5742

4 жыл бұрын

Do you know about The Forgotten Weapons channel? Now that's bonafide gun pornography.

@patrickleary7662

4 жыл бұрын

I have headstamp F.A.12,05 fmj.30cal

As a Mosin lover, i love this video in these boring times.

@FirstnameLastname-do1px

4 жыл бұрын

Mosins are garbage, Mauser gang

@aSportishOne

4 жыл бұрын

The mosin is pretty alright, you've been validated by K11/K31 gang

@foreststalkerbrothers

4 жыл бұрын

@@FirstnameLastname-do1px Mosins work well, are strudy, will not break and have a malfunction. What's not to like ? Also, Mauser gang ? That old ass 8mm bullet is not used nowdays, people know why. But Mosins ? you have watched the vid, didn't you. It's a bullet that can be shared with your buddies on the field.

@bhoward9378

4 жыл бұрын

Mosins are awesome, Mausers are awesome, G11/K11/K31 are awesome, as indeed are our younger friends chambered in 7.62x51. Get them all to avoid having to take sides in such disputes.

@IdaholifeV

4 жыл бұрын

@@FirstnameLastname-do1px The Finn M39 was a great shooting mosin. I have spanked guys that had K98s with a B barrel Valmet M39 in vintage rifle matches..... But yeah, mosins must suck, huh.

Great video! Thank you for the steady flow of content during the corona layoff of 2020

That was VERY enjoyable and refreshing to watch. I personally love the 54R and Mosins so this episode was a treat. Thank you! and God Bless!

That was a great video very informative thank you very much for producing

I am a pending grad of SDI, i have watched your videos before enrolling, and during my classes. You have helped me tremendously and you don't even know it. Thank You! You are one of the reasons why I enrolled.

I love my Mosin rifles. I love the cartridge. It’s a great deer round. Oh snap I just saw Tim from MAC!

I've been Reloading 54R for years. Surplus may be cheap, but it's not good for hunting, not very accurate, and it's corrosive. Fun cartridge.

@xzqzq

4 жыл бұрын

As soon as I read that 7.62 X 54R not reloadable, just had to try, even if I didn't own one. Hydro decapper, copper sleeve to press smaller large rifle Boxer primer into, drill primer pocket to accept Boxer primer.....good fun. The necks on the steel cases would split...

Just watched your video on magazine shapes as part of my Firearms Technology class at SDI. This video will definitely fit into my ballistics class. Thanks. Keep it up.

I love 54r! This stuff rocks! Hoping you go over the modern day platforms for this cartridge.

Thanks Eric. Would love to see more like this. Be safe dude.

@fakecubed

4 жыл бұрын

I'm just happy for any content that's not some random gun review I'll never buy.

Original corrosive primers used fulminate of mercury. Non corrosive primers started with lead staphnite ( I hope I spelled it right) compounds. Modern lead-free primers are made with proprietary compounds by different manufacturers. I would continue to treat them also as corrosive with respect to cleaning after use. With bolt guns, the quickest way to kill residual salt residue is to stick the end of the end of the barrel into a bucket of hot soapy water, use a jag tip with a snug fitting patch, and pump water in and out of the bore several times, and follow with bore cleaner like Hoppe's #9.

So .303 British? No mention despite 100+ years service and still in use!

When two people come together and work together you can accomplish great things. Like this cartridge and the mosin. Two iconic pieces of history and that’s still in use today.

Got some 203 grain softpoints that flip whitetails. Love this round.

@mizzoupatriot8814

4 жыл бұрын

My Type 53 carbine is loaded with Brown Bear 203 soft points as we speak.

The reason I bought my Mosin-Nagant several years ago was from watching your Channel. Now it has mighty fine trigger on it after watching one of your videos. I think it's a good rifle mine is a 1934 model.

Thanks for marking vids like this. Takes my mind off of what’s going on.

I knew exactly what it was before I even clicked on the video.... love my “garbage rod” Mosin! Hooah!

I love that AR15A2 on the wall. I just built one a few months ago. It's a replica of the one I carried in the Marines. I even have the correct sling with the j-buckle. The M7 bayonet is next.

I always love your educational videos. Thank you for taking the time to do this

The Polish M44 is a beautiful example of the Mosin.

Thanks Eric, I really enjoyed this vid! Keep em coming! Fun for kiddos to watch and teach them history behind things. And since your channel is mostly kid friendly (language wise) I let them watch it with me!

Because you inspired me to want one, I wanted to tell you, I actually found a Mosin at a gun shop here in Syracuse, NY, for $400. My son is buying it when his tax refund hits tomorrow, and I'm giving him half, until I convince him to let me buy him out. Super excited to finally own a Mosin!

In 54r's case "cheap" really means "I just mentioned on the internet I had a neighborly dispute with that guy that has friends in the U.S. and some bored guy in Moscow must have overreacted because next morning I found an Antonov load's of ammo cases sitting on my lawn"

And that is the reason I got a Vepr in 54r.

TLDR: Surplus is a hell of a drug.

I have messed some deer up with that Winchester 180 SP out of my mosins I hunt with pretty much all of my Milsurps I’ve hunted with my 91/30, m39, M1 Garand and soon my k98 and k31

@pweter351

4 жыл бұрын

you need a lithgow smle

@rednecksniper4715

4 жыл бұрын

pweter351 I have an Enfield already

Great job on this video please make more like this. I really like the history and what guns used it really means a lot thank you.

The .303 British started in 1888. I read the last Indian unit gave up this cartridge last year. Its almost impossible to find high quality ammo for the .303 even though so many guns and systems has been chambered for it.

@charlesrwalters

4 жыл бұрын

Pretty much have to buy it online.

@jb-xc4oh

8 ай бұрын

So heavily used by all the Commonwealth nations that most of the surplus ammo is long gone. Its still very popular in Canada and available.

That was very interesting did not know about the primers being so different thank you for sharing your knowledge

I wish I had 10% of the knowledge these 2 guys have on weapons and ammo, I can watch 1000 videos and read books but I learn more from seeing,touching and doing

Great video, thanks Erik. Appreciate it

Excellent Video, Short & Concise Information With A Few Tidd-Bits Thrown In! Thanks, Now I Know More Than I Did Before, Lol!

I love my PSL in x54r. Hopefully I can find a Vepr in .308.

@draxxsklounst6595

4 жыл бұрын

God I love those. My dads got one.

@jimmieburleigh9549

4 жыл бұрын

I'm waiting on a maker like cmmg make a AR platform in 54r

@1LouSassel

4 жыл бұрын

You can find them, but the prices now are absurd.

@KurtOnoIR

4 жыл бұрын

@@jimmieburleigh9549 that'd be sweet! I'd buy one for sure.

@jason127x99

4 жыл бұрын

Jimmie Burleigh I know! Why hasn't any manufacture make one?

I saw a Mosin converted to 45-70 at a gun show. The guy said it was the natural conversion because it was especially designed for a rimmed cartridge. A 45-70 in a strong bolt action with the pressures it can withstand is a formidable cartridge.

That was a lot of fun to listen to and very informative, more please

Great video! Reminds me of the videos you used to make that I liked much more. Hope you make some more like this maybe some more mosin nagant Vids or sks or ak47. The 3 great rifles! Thanks for a awesome video on 7.62x54r ammo! Stay safe 😷⚔

Great video, love to see more videos like this. I'd love to hear about 303 British and the newer 416 Barrett.

303 British in service since 1889 and still in use by the Indian government

@HJDore

4 жыл бұрын

I believe the Indians finally officially retired the 303 lee enfield this year.

@That_NJ_guy

4 жыл бұрын

I mean 7.5 Swiss probably the oldest still in service and sure the load and projectile was changed in 1911 but most countries did the same so technically fair game.

I really liked this type of video form you guys. Keep it up. Thanks.

Fascinating! Really interested in these kinds of videos!

It's easier to control headspace on a rimmed cartridge. A full-rifle cartridge is mostly used in belt-fed machine guns or lower capacity marksman magazine fed and bolt action rifles anyhow, somewhat negating the specific need for a centerfire rimless case. Also the large rim and strong taper are extra conducive to belt feeding. So, arguably, it is better than a modern rimless cartridge given its size and application.

Love the history of ammunition concept. Hope to see more!

@416loren

4 жыл бұрын

It would make a good series.

@dougreeves2289

4 жыл бұрын

@@416loren much agreed

The 54r is one of my favorite cartridges to reload for. I started reloading and casting for that cartridge when I bought my first Mosin over ten years ago and although I have a good supply of good quality steel case ammo I stashed back when it was around ten cents per rd. I enjoy casting and shooting 160 to 215 gr, cast bullets.

My favorite round is the Hornady sst 150 grain it shoots 1 to 2 MOA groups out of my 23' barreled VEPR.

That moment you realize you're so poor you can't afford a surplus Mosin anymore because their price has more than tripled (even quintupled) ever since games like DayZ and channels like this made the rifle a pop culture item.

@curtismundie4931

4 жыл бұрын

Just like the kar98 the price will continue to go up as the number of the certain models in the market dry up and like most service rifles a matching bayonet will double the value of the gun

@BSE1320

4 жыл бұрын

Its not popular culture. Its the Russian importation ban.

Awesome. My favorite caliber of all time.

My uncle has my american grandpas WWII mosin nagant chambered in 54r and it is our prized possession it has a cracked, rough stock and worn the be h*ll He fought in the battle of the bulge as far as I know and he was one h*ll of a man Carpenter, soldier, wwII vet, very good cook, and best grandpa ever

@zheka1780

4 жыл бұрын

If you grandpa was an American why did he fight with mosin and m1?

@user-dt9qe8wo6u

4 жыл бұрын

John Doe I don’t blame you who doesn’t want a Iraqi AK

@user-dt9qe8wo6u

4 жыл бұрын

EK I don’t know we took it to a professional gun smith and they said it was a mosin

@user-dt9qe8wo6u

4 жыл бұрын

EK and I’m pretty sure it was what they had left so that’s what he got

@zheka1780

4 жыл бұрын

@@user-dt9qe8wo6u he probably brought it back as a souvenir. He should had fought with m1

I miss these types of videos, keep up the good work.

Back in the day, I bought 700 rounds of Czech silver tip for $125. Blew through that pretty quick.

Interesting vid; I literally knew nothing about 54R before this vid. I had no idea that it was so plentiful;)

Honestly the Mosin-Nagant is an awesome weapon. There are literally dozens of options for chassis replacements, detachable magazines, scope mounts and scopes built just for it. This gun will crack your level 3 armor like concrete under a jackhammer... may take the AK to make most of the headway in combat... but that Mosin-Nagant when necessary will still be taking enemy combatants off the field and cracking open body armor like eggs. The Dragunov PSL is an awesome weapon also... but that closed bolt sniper action is gonna hit harder no doubt.

I still have a little bit of 7N1 from when I had my SVD. Wish I never sold it. Long live the 54R!

Liked the video topic. Liked the casual discussion. Good information and examples. Dam fine video. I have 3 91/30's. 3 crates of spam cans stored. And working on one. I bought dirt cheap. 2003 cheap so my grandkids and their friends could shoot cheap and learn basics. I have a 44 that I like to shoot, it does just fine on hogs. GREAT VIDEO ERIC 😁

You should do a history of the 30.06 Springfield cartridge, it's been used in a wide range of rolls and taken big game on every continent. From its namesake rifle the 1903 Springfield bolt action of WW1 to the M1 Garand of WW2, both with service records outliving their original deployments. And I'm pretty sure Teddy Roosevelt would argue that the 06 Rifle and its 30.06 cartridge was the greatest rifle ever made. And if the big game hunting, adventuring, war hero, Teddy Roosevelt said that, I'm inclined to trust his better judgement. God bless America, RIP Teddy.

@Schwarzvogel1

4 жыл бұрын

If you think that the M1903 and .30-06 come anywhere close to being the "greatest rifle ever made," then you must not have much experience with rifles of any sort. I'd rank the SMLE, FN FAL, KP-31, and AR15 far, far above the M1903 or the M1 Garand.

@BeansAndBullets1391

4 жыл бұрын

@@Schwarzvogel1 I didn't say I believed that at all, I said it was once called such by a historical figure who knew a thing or two about rifles (also he died before they invented the FAL, M16 and all those others), it's not like it's the only rifle that can say that, I think it was Gen MacArthur that said the M1Garand was the greatest rifle ever made. Obviously modern rifles have surpassed both, that's progress, I merely expressed why I like the '03 Rifle and it's 30.06 cartridge, as that is my opinion. Also I would argue that the '03 Springfield had a far larger influence on firearm design than many of the rifles you mentioned, plus consider how long it was in service,(still is in some parts of the 3rd world) the M16 and it's variants have no where near that length of sevice, so define "greatest rifle" it's just an opinion, there is no "greatest rifle" just your opinion of what "greatest" really means.

@jb-xc4oh

8 ай бұрын

You forgot to mention the millions and millions of AK-47's that were produced and are still being used all over the world in combat to this day. @@Schwarzvogel1

Please do more history based guns and ammo videos it reminds me of my college history class 6 years ago. She taught how guns and ammo changed the course of history

Great to the subject report. Politics aside. This was well done. Thank you.

Appreciate y’all from Texas ^^

@2wheeleddemon999

4 жыл бұрын

Tejas

@Darameekha

4 жыл бұрын

Texas

@Texas-Goodspeed

4 жыл бұрын

c edwards God bless Texas

@Texas-Goodspeed

4 жыл бұрын

Darameekha Take it easy y’all ^^

Can y’all PLEASE bring back where you try to “destroy “ a mosin...I LOVE THAT.

I think it would be a great idea for you boys to bring every now 'n then a cartridge, pistol or rifle round, to take a closer look at. i'm a ballistics geek for sure myself but I bet there is a shit load of fellow shooters and weapons enthusiasts that like their share of living history too. Keep doing your thing over there in Georgia. I just came home from a days work. I checked the channel and this was waiting for me.. I popped a can of beer open and started enjoying :D

thanks guys, another great educational video

Eric: what are some of the things that might be a con about this cartridge? Me: ITS RIMMED!!! (I yell in my house alone like im watching Blue's Clues)

@ryanv7075

4 жыл бұрын

tborr 50cal a clue, a clue!!

@jason127x99

4 жыл бұрын

tborr 50cal most but not all is corrosive?

@jason127x99

4 жыл бұрын

tborr 50cal What's up my 50 cal brother?? 😊

Got two of those beauties. 1938 and 1939 Tula made yayaya M91/30. One is soaked in cosmoline. The other has been restocked with an Archangel stock. Original stock was in bad shape.

The main reason is the balistic of 54R is pretty much the ideal for its weight class just like 51 NATO. There are a lot of projects to develope better catridge but the products are simply not good enough to justify the replacement

Awesome stuff guys 👍

Great video. Please, more history behind development of military cartridges. :)

Funny enough, 7.62x54r is still available during this ammo shortage. I go to gun shops often and still see boxes of it left untouched.

Thanks for the great video. One of my favorite family of Rifles. I am suprised the Lee Enfield/ 303 British did not last as long. Too bad it's not as available as it used to be.

Watching this on my TV with my 91/30 hex hanging above it.

@jason127x99

4 жыл бұрын

SouthPaw Armoury mine a safe queen. I still like to take out for some fresh air time to time.

Forgot to mention the pre-spitzer type round tip or the nickel plated bullets. Good video man!

Good stuff. Thanks.

Good video. I'd like to see a similar video on the Swiss GP90 and GP11, and the Swede 6.5.

Probably my favorite rifle I own is my 1944 M44 Mosin Nagant chambered in 7.62x54R. The cartridge is a great round.

I feel like 5.56 is like that, too, that we still use it because there's so much of it in use, and so many guns that use it. To my understanding, 6.5mm Grendel is a far superior round to 5.56 as it's about the same price, but it hits harder and remains stable and supersonic even out to 1,000 yards while still hitting with about the same energy of a 9mm at 10 yards at such a long distance, and it has amazing accuracy with very little drop. I've been thinking about buying a 6.5 Grendel upper, but like nations have done with the 7.62x54R, it seems like a better idea to stick with a cartridge that has availability. In a SHTF scenario, as much as I'd like to have 6.5 Grendel, 5.56 just makes more sense in America due to the availability of 5.56, .223, and if I use my CMMG .22LR conversion kit, I can even run .22LR out of my 5.56 barrel. I imagine in countries where 7.62x39 and 7.62x54R are readily available, a similar thought exists. As long as you have either of those cartridges stocked, you can run virtually any firearm you find from old bolt gun to machine gun to DMR. We also saw during the Kung Flu panic first time gun owners buying guns based on ammo still in stock, not based on anything else. What ammo you have determines what guns you'll shoot, after all.

@BringerOfD

4 жыл бұрын

That and it's not really superior enough to justify the cost of rechambering all the associated weapons systems.

Eric Great video and thanks, how about a video on 5.45 X 39 and the different bullet weights?

On the Russians in the Finnish war: "They conquered just enough land to bury their dead" ---- well said

@Mortablunt

4 жыл бұрын

After the continuation war: "Let's not poke the Bear again."

I enjoy shooting my mosin however it gets old trying to find the ammo around town and always waiting for it to be delivered

I really wish I had got a m39 before the prices went crazy...love my svt-40 tho...never got any 91/30's but a nice m39 in shooter condition is on my list

Great video Eric!. Videos like these are real treats for us ammo geeks. As for dealing with corrosive ammo, just piss down the barrel. Lol! 😉🤗😊

Off topic for the video but have you or would you do a 30 30 test on level 3 body armor? Love your videos thanks for all you do. From one Vet to another Thank you for your service.

I would give the credit to the .22 rimfire as almost every military has used it for experimentation and training and even 'wet' espionage assignments for a very, very long time.

Here's a fun twist to it. If you differentiate between the round nose pattern bullets and the spitzer patterns, the 54R is no longer the longest serving cartridge. The Russians moved to the spitzer bullet in 1908, two years after we did with the 30.06. Here's the fun part, there is a section of the Danish military that not only still uses the 30.06 as their rifle cartridge, but they are issuing out our surplus M1917 Enfield rifles. Check out the Sirius dog sled patrol. They're deployed in the north of Greenland and still use the 1917 (and 10mm glocks) because they need it reliable in the arctic winter and enough power to drop polar bears.

great video Eric.

It’s very accurate round and I think it was used to win in the Olympics a couple times .........I love your vid 👍😎

I like the 8mm Round. 7.62x54r is nice as well. Some people load that projectile in a 7.62x39 case from my understanding

You missed the 189 grain, heavy ball, with the yellow tip. Bought a couple of spam cans when it was only $70 can. It's a really powerful round. Those cans were actually sealed with melted lead btw.

Just knowing that I was able to guess which cartridge it was, makes me proud of being a weapon enthusiast.

Can we get a RIP Barry in the chat?

@fakecubed

4 жыл бұрын

RIP Barry.

@adude8424

4 жыл бұрын

RPK Barry

@bigredone1030

4 жыл бұрын

RIP my nigga Barry

@TheTeehee11111

4 жыл бұрын

F

@user-zm9wv5up6r

4 жыл бұрын

F

So, in Iraq, the bad guys armed with $ 50 Moisin-Nagants were out ranging the M-4 by several hundred yards. Did the military re-issue M-14s, or use captured Moisins ? Of course not. They started the extensive, expensive quest for a follow-on successor to the M-4, which is gonna cost $$$.

Wish I bought 2 more mosins back in the day, but I barely scraped together the $120 (including background check fee) to get mine. M44 from big 5 listed at $89 in 2008. I remember getting those red striped bulgarian rounds for $3.99 for 20 wrapped in brown paper, tied with brown string. So ghetto, so good...

Still a great round. Sad that the price has went up. Sell me a few hundred of those frangibles. I've had a box of Norma woodgrain box soft point hunting rounds for years

Its rimmed for your pleasure. LOL

@sloppyjo5371

4 жыл бұрын

Mike Wethington lmao

@Wyttt95

4 жыл бұрын

Mike Wethington 😂👍🏻

@logancurl9526

4 жыл бұрын

For the extractor's pleasure, according to Carnik Kon.....

@sloppyjo5371

4 жыл бұрын

Logan Curl “extract my ribbed cartridge baby”

Who else had to bust out the old Finnish Mosin for this one? ♥️