Parental divine law: Don’t hit your sister; Parental positive law: be home by 10.

If you look very closely at the provided thumbnail (as of 13/05/2024, 19:51) you will notice a large red circle. The red circle is drawn around the face of an infant currently receiving Holy Communion under an Eastern Orthodox service. It appears to me that this circle is meant to draw the viewers attention to the goofy, but also admittedly cute, face of the kid, while also artistically tying the thumbnail image to the title of the above video. We can only guess as to the content of the video, since it only premiers in two days, but given the title "The West did NOT Err on Infant Communion", it seems to me that the video will be about infant Communion. Thus I conclude, the red circle drawn around the face of the infant receiving Communion accurately and succinctly captures the topic of this video. Bravo!

@krkenheimer

2 ай бұрын

Dont forget to like the video!!

@MilitantThomist

2 ай бұрын

Going to change the thumbnail now

Since Scripture is absolutely silent on this and the tradition veered in opposite directions (yes I know infant communion was universal for a period of time) it could be perfectly valid to have 2 different traditions and with 2 different strengths and weaknesses and yes I prefer the western position on this

@j.g.4942

2 ай бұрын

That's very Protestant; isn't it just look to the council's and bishops?

@jdotoz

2 ай бұрын

@@j.g.4942 We reject sola scriptura, but that doesn't mean we reject Scripture.

@dwightschrute900

2 ай бұрын

The East is right on this issue.

@user-je5ib5nv8u

2 ай бұрын

@@dwightschrute900 is there a right or wrong and state an example for this topic

@j.g.4942

2 ай бұрын

@@jdotoz yeah I know, it's just I'm surprised to see the Lutheran distinction of 'adiaphora' applied in the Roman Catholic context. (I would however disagree that Scripture is absolutely silent, from the words of Institution one could argue that the "for you" refers to every Christian rather than every one of age, or only every cleric. Silent yes, but not absolutely.)

Is it an error in the sense that it's a fatal flaw in the Latin Church? No. Would it be better to complete initiation much earlier than we do? I can't help but think so. First, can you really look at the western world and tell me our children don't need as much grace as early as possible? Further, especially in the US, the sacraments of initiation often come attached to "education" requirements that can dangerously approach simony.

@ronanjm

2 ай бұрын

Is it wrong for the Church to only allow reception of Holy Communion twice (or for the case of Byzantines, once) daily? Is grace being withheld

@jdotoz

2 ай бұрын

@@ronanjm No. The sacraments are inherently mysterious, but it makes sense to me that there would be a sort of diminishing return from, for example, sitting there consuming one host after another indefinitely. Daily reception seems like a plausible optimum. This is far different from having people go years - which to them, remember, is their entire life up to that point - without it.

@alonsoACR

2 ай бұрын

​@@ronanjm I'll try to argue from Scripture. St. Paul warns against people who take too much communion at one time in 1 Corinthians 11:20-22 The passage is giving the reason that you are leaving less for the others. Like, you shouldn't go to church because you're hungry and want to literally feast. But, the Apostle's condemnation is explicitly that by eating too much you're showing CONTEMPT to the Church of God. The solution he gives isn't that priests should make sure there's plenty of bread, but that believers should instead eat LESS. Therefore, the natural conclusion is that there's no difference in eating too little or too much. It seems to me that the key is regularity, not quantity. As such, the Church does keep the right (if not the responsibility) to impose daily limits of how much bread each brother and sister is allowed to eat.

@jdotoz

2 ай бұрын

No. Only a doctrinal error would be. Discipline is a matter of prudential judgement, and this is not guaranteed.

@jdotoz

2 ай бұрын

No, unless you can find a teaching that this must never be done. And I doubt you will, since this is the practice in eastern Catholic churches.

Absolutely the west did not err on the discipline of withholding communion from infants, this is coming from a guy that is baptised in the Byzantine rite (Melkite) that practices the church discipline of giving communion to infants. Although I believe that both the disciplines of the West and east are valid, I much prefer the western discipline of withholding communion from baptsed infants who are naturally in the the state of grace as they are baptised and are not at an age of reason where they can commit actual sin and are not capable severing their friendship and communion With God. So I say it's a prudent and superior discipline to withhold communion and it minimise the risk non intentional disrespect or injury the blessed host, as infants are prone to baby burp and vomit at any moment and the risk off it happening during communion is a risk that not worth taking not to mention infants dont have full control when eating and there is a risk they spit food out, the Church in her wisdom has made a great choice and discipline that best safeguards the honor of Christ in the blessed Eucharist. I'm also not a fan of liturgical spoons and the eastern practice of dipping the consecrated bread into the consecrated wine that almost always causes drops to fall and spinkle, I think it's better to withhold.than cause any of christ precious body and blood to be dishonoured, but that's a another issue

@holyromanemperor420

2 ай бұрын

I disagree. I think it's a great practice with good effects that outweighs the risk. Babies don't vomit that easily, especially if it's just a small piece of bread. Spitting might be an issue but that's also not a huge risk. Why should it matter if the baby is sinless? Reconciliation is for the sinners, the Eucharist is for people who are not in a state of mortal sin and preferably, not in any sin at all.

@user-tv6vv5rb8v

2 ай бұрын

Didn't Christ already accept the possibility of host dropping when He instituted the Eucharist? As long as reasonable precautions are taken there is no offense given to God if it should miss the mouth. It ultimately heads to the intestines anyway. The child might not understand what he is receiving but Christ is aware that He is brought in closer contact with a pure soul whom His Sacred Heart aches for. Some believe that babies and small children are more spiritually intuitive than we are. Certainly when Mary brought the pre-born Jesus to the pre-born St. John the Baptist he jumped in the womb. That being said I think it should only be done by specific request of the parents to ensure that it is not done out of habit but that the parents true devotion will be passed down to the child.

@killianmiller6107

2 ай бұрын

I would say Eucharistic devotion is just that, a devotion, which involves the use of reason and personal accountability.

It would certainly be preferential to have infant communion. I wouldnt anathematize my latin homies over this, but the reality is that habituating people from an early age into the sacraments will teach them better than some badly run catechesis for kids class. Regular confession begins young too. I definitely cant get behind the idea that infants dont spiritually benefit from it.

Very good distinctions being made here. This guy is smart.

I think a good analogy to justify the departure from Postive Apostolic Law is by the practice of Veiling. Most Churches have departed from this being a mandated practice, but this doesn't then disqualify Eastern Orthodoxy, or any other Church, from being right. However, like with Veiling, it still should be the example we strive for. Women should, ideally be veiled, Baptism should be, ideally, through full body immersion. But this doesn't invalidate the traditional Latin practices of Baptism by pouring or delaying Chrismation, which limits child from communing.

@jdotoz

2 ай бұрын

In the Latin Church, children usually have their first Communion before Confirmation.

@igorlopes7589

2 ай бұрын

​@@jdotoz Which, honestly, isn't a good idea. It kind of dismantles the traditional sequence in which the sacraments of initiation were given.

@jdotoz

2 ай бұрын

@@igorlopes7589 I agree. I much prefer the Eastern way, but it's above my pay grade.

@igorlopes7589

2 ай бұрын

@@jdotoz Maybe a synthesis could be reached by returning confirmation to early childhood or to the age of seven. Afaik at medieval times there was a custom of having confirmation at two or three years.

thx

For the algo

Should individuals with permanent mental disability that prevents them from rationally understanding the Eucharist (such as some cases of autism or Downs Syndrome) be prevented from reception?

7:38 There is hardly any trad who believes the use of Latin is somehow a Doctrine. At worst they think that the allowance to celebrate the Tridentine Rite is a perpetual discipline (out of their horrible understanding of Quo Primum Tempore). Still, their false idea of a perpetual discipline is still an example of the error you pointed during the videom

@ZeDocta1

Ай бұрын

Maybe not doctrinal but I've heard some people, probably just regurgitating Fr. Ripperger, who think Latin has some special qualities that make demons scared. Really weird.

@igorlopes7589

Ай бұрын

@@ZeDocta1 To be fair there is an element of truth to that. Demons hate anything set appart for the Sacred, they hate Churches, they hate Icons, they hate Altars etc, and Latin is literally a language set appart for the Liturgy, it is set appart for God. So demons do in fact hate Latin, just like they hate any other sacred language or any other sacred thing. Still, I agree that radtrads blow this out of proportion and exageratte things in an spiritually nocive manner.

Algo bomb

@MilitantThomist

2 ай бұрын

Truth nuke

Erm based department just called, they are asking for you

So distinguished.

Hwg