That scene at the end of KH2, the vanilla KH2 with the message in the bottle was the moment I started waiting.

@Fede4Cod

3 жыл бұрын

Same. I was 12 years old when i finished it and that ending was probably the reason i got addicted to the videogames industry because since then i started checking news and updates in the (vain) hope to see some KH3 related news. That, eventually, made me a three sixty degree videogames fan.

@servantbyday

3 жыл бұрын

Yup me too!

@jasonharris9187

3 жыл бұрын

I feel like this was the case for most fans of the series at that time. My brother and I played vanilla KH2 relentlessly when it came out (mostly me, but he liked it a lot too). I mean, we played vanilla KH1, fans PROBABLY played CoM on GB if they wanted to, then we played vanilla KH2. We wanted that next mainline story, we wanted to continue on as Sora. Square set us up to want the next game, which realistically speaking, would have been KH3. BB is right, why would we have just KNEW they were going to make a bunch of relevant and (still) fun side games? Elitists need to chill. Lol.

@sobersplash6172

3 жыл бұрын

Exact same for me Most people didn’t have FM at the time

@JonathonMcClung

2 жыл бұрын

@@Fede4Cod Sorry for the necro, but I totally agree about the it being part of what made me an all around fan of video games. I mean I got handheld consoles to play KH games and then had to justify those purchases with buying other games as well haha

Just a minor note, "twitter is fucking crazy" is probably the best statement to start a video/discussion ever, I loved it.

Since I thought the KH2FM secret ending was a sneak peak at KH3, I think my wait started after KH2FM

@iambored6702

3 жыл бұрын

Ngl I waited 5 years for kh and I wasn't really excited lol (also I am not excited for Mom either) I liked KH3 but for real namine got 3 minute of screentime RePliKu could have took the RePliKu like it was good but for real it was dumb

@sobersplash6172

3 жыл бұрын

Same, I pretty much started the wait when I finished KH2 It’s been a decade

@RepyonDonGaming

3 жыл бұрын

Same bro I thought the 2FM secret ending was KH3. When I saw BBS I was hype because recognized the characters from The 2FM secret ending. But I always thought KH3 Was coming soon after bbs but boy was I wrong lol

@homersams9015

2 жыл бұрын

@@RepyonDonGaming Same I remember finding the lingering will fight and secret ending on youtube in like 2009-2010 and was so fucking hyped because I thought it was Kh3

So I think it is important to make the distinction between “wait time” and perceived development time. I was in the group that thought that the secret ending to 2FM was for KH3, I fully admit that. I guess I had it in the back of my mind that every game afterwards was leading into KH3, so I was waiting for a long time, but it was not the forefront. However, I have had discussions with people who thought that KH3 was in development since right after 2FM, and those people are not correct. The people that say “wow KH3 is such a mess, it took 12 years to come out” are trolling.

@TotallyCluelessGamer

3 жыл бұрын

That's probably where a lot of the anger people express toward the waiting since 2FM crowd comes from. There were a lot of people making that exact comment back around launch.

@Patricwithnok

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. it's fine if yall were anticipating a KH3 12 years ago. I was too. The other games assuaged me tho. To say that it "took 12 years to come out" is just not accurate. I think people get annoyed at the mischaracterization of the wait as similar to other delayed things like FF Versus XIII

@raze2012_

3 жыл бұрын

This is the one that gets me. I agree in the scope of A person waiting for a specific title with specific production values and etc. We get the same kinds of differences in Final Fantasy, even tho there is no connected storyline. But saying "this game took 12 years to make and is shit" is honestly, objectively wrong. We don't know the full story on our end, but the gist of the details officially known are - The secret ending showed what people assumed was KH3 - in hindsight, the game was always intended to be a spinoff. a PS2 spnioff made by Osaka - According to the BBS ultimania, it got paused by Re:COM of all things. when they got back, they switched to PSP. I wonder how people would feel if BBS was called "Kingdom Hearts 0" or "Kingdom Hearts Origins" and it came out on PS2 as expected.

@Taka_Sakagami

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed. The game I thought I was waiting for after KH2 (the secret ending) ended up being BBS, not KH3. My next expectation (the note in the bottle) ended up being DDD. It wasn't until DDD that I started waiting for KH3.

@Lakross101

3 жыл бұрын

I agree but I'd also say it's not wrong to say it took however many years. It did. It did NOT take 12 years to MAKE. It's all about perception.

The wait parties to my knowledge OGs-People who had been playing KH since day 1 and grew up on it. We were the most hyped. A lot of KHtubers kept hype alive with analysis trailers and discussion vids. new gens-People who weren't around during the OG days, but got on the hype train once the .5 compilation games came out. Was a good way to binge the games and prepare for KH3 Memelords-The wait for KH3 basically became a meme so you had folks on twitter, youtube, fb, discord etc basically make shitposts and memes about KH3 Speedrunners-Basically OGs but speedrun KH games down to a science MCU Bots-People who joined the disney bandwagon post MCU success begging for their favorite marvel/star wars character to be in KH even though they had never played a KH game prior. I'm sure I'm leaving many out., but yea. What an adventure. Will probably never have a wait hype like for a game ever again.

@twangy_juice8126

3 жыл бұрын

My wait was only a month because I binged the whole series in December of 2018 lol

@lucapeyrefitte6899

3 жыл бұрын

Omg I really really really really hope the MCU or star wars doesn't come to kingdom hearts, it makes more sense just to have only actual Disney movies and the occasional live action Disney movie, plus even though those franchises bought by Disney doesn't feel like it would fit in KH

@StardustZee

3 жыл бұрын

Why do ogs have to be day 1?

@theinimitablejora522

3 жыл бұрын

I know my first exposure to Kingdom Hearts was the E3 2015 trailer for 3. THAT was sure interesting...

@StardustZee

3 жыл бұрын

@@theinimitablejora522 my first experience was 10 years ago when i was 5 years old

I really loved this topic lmao. I remember seeing Sora finding that message in a bottle and little me would look up google image photoshop of stuff like "Kingdom Hearts 3: The Keyblade War" and getting SOOOO hype off of just fan art. mannnn I miss it

@prodjavonci

3 жыл бұрын

SAME

@sdrucciolinofreebootino5248

3 жыл бұрын

Like seeing fan images of super sayan 5 goku... good times

@zul2788

3 жыл бұрын

Man me and my sister was super hyped about that Keyblade war thing. I also loved how We were all so sure KH3 was going to come out on PS3, how wrong we was though 😂. I also remembered the first time of playing BBS on the PSP. I had to wait ages after release date because it was my Bro PSP and he is also a fan of Kingdom Hearts. Had to secretly steal it for a night lmao. My mind was so blown having a game like KH calibre portably. Such a simpler times..

@SuperNintendawg

3 жыл бұрын

Same, man I was such a nerd, lol.

I feel like a lot of the anger toward the 12 year wait crowd stems from people around launch being all "they took 12 years making this game and this is the shit we got?!" (You know the typical Square RPG reaction of hating something until something newer comes along to hate)

Back then, i thought DDD was KH3 since they titled it Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance. Thought they was going with the pun in the 3DS.

@Zephhi

3 жыл бұрын

They kinda were. 3D is 3 D’s: Dream, Drop, and Distance. Also it being a 3DS game lol

@iceclkeyheart3060

3 жыл бұрын

I mean essentially it almost is DDD and kh3 feels like one games split into two it wise

@cillbipher2613

3 жыл бұрын

Well technically DDD is like KH3 Part 1 so...

@StardustZee

3 жыл бұрын

@@cillbipher2613 nono. Its kh II.7

I seriously thought the message from Mickey at the end of 2, not FM implied a KH3 was next, so I waited since 2006 for KH3, even with all the little spin-off games I saw, I'd immediately wonder, when is KH3 coming? So yeah even for me the wait was not 12 years but 13 years instead. I've been a fan of KH since I played it the month it came out when my parents got it for me when I was 4, we were poor so I never got a PSP, we only generally got big consoles because everyone could use them for movies or games, so all I ever thought about was KH3. Even when DDD's trailer dropped I legitimately thought it was KH3 especially because of that stupid pun title, I got that game on 3DS, played it and the credits confirmed to me that a KH3 would come around sometime soon then it finally got announced in 2013. So no, anyone waiting for KH3 that said 12 years or 13 years is not necessarily someone who didn't like the story like many people seem to think, I'm sorry my family being poor kept me from getting certain KH games but I literally just played KH1, KH2 and Chain of Memories on GBA up until KH3D came out. If they announced Half-Life 3 would the waiting only count after the announcement because it's an official announcement? Or is the waiting valid the whole time?

@TotallyCluelessGamer

3 жыл бұрын

A lot of the angry responses to the 12 years thing is because on launch there was a fair amount of "This game took 12 years to make" attitude. So a lot of people are just sour on the idea.

@LeonardoRodrigues-uj1sm

3 жыл бұрын

Half-Life Alyx is already a direct sequel of Half-Life 2 : Episode 2 so we are only some months waiting for HL3

@CloneLoli

3 жыл бұрын

@@LeonardoRodrigues-uj1sm That's not how that works, people want a true sequel to HL2:EP2 which would be HL3, true sequel being same genre and general gameplay style as well as an actual continuation. HLA is not a sequel either, it's a prequel. The actual wait for HL3 can be considered since 2009 and ever since Gabe Newell himself said that their next project was in fact HL3 within the EP2 itself. This is the whole KH thing over again, KH was still getting games after 2 but logically people expected a KH3 more than any other game thus creating the possible "long wait", I remember my dad would ask me all the time "So when are they making a Kingdom Hearts 3?" and I'd reply with "I don't know." because I assumed a KH3 would have been soon but it didn't come for a long time, it's logically the next step in the series. When Doom 2 was made as well, I don't think people expected Doom 3 be released 10 years later regardless of whether Doom 64 came in-between the two games. Either way, people still meme and talk about waiting for HL3, they've been waiting for 11 years now and just because a game with a different genre style came along in-between that time doesn't mean HL3's wait time was magically reset.

@LeonardoRodrigues-uj1sm

3 жыл бұрын

@@CloneLoli except Alyx is a true sequel to HL2:EP2 doesn't matter if it's now in VR or not, it's still a continuation, it's just about the same length as HL2 and even longer than most Half-Life games with the same style of narrative, introducing you a new engine, new mechanics, etc.

@LeonardoRodrigues-uj1sm

3 жыл бұрын

@@CloneLoli Also, it's not a Prequel it's a direct sequel, the events of Alyx happens in a different timeline that effects and changes the story of how 2:EP2 ended going even past its ending point.

Just look at 2's secret ending. How many of us called what would become BBS "KH3"? Sure, it wouldn't have been focused on Sora either way, but I personally expected it to be an improvement over kh2 for the PS3 by the same team that made kh2. That's far from what we got

@CloneLoli

3 жыл бұрын

Same, as a kid I used to imagine all the possibilities of KH on PS3 lol

@nesoukkefka1741

3 жыл бұрын

Actually what become BBS was originally plan to happen after KH2, and Sora was suppose to be in it.

@SirCookiesaki

3 жыл бұрын

@@nesoukkefka1741 Wait, where did they say that? Now I am curious lol

@ziongamer6905

3 жыл бұрын

@@nesoukkefka1741 I’d love to find this info too bc BBS taking place with new gen keyblade users would be really cool

@zul2788

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah man. So many smartass especially the newcomer to the series saying we didn't wait for KH3 as soon as the ending of KH2 finished.

I remember TGB making a video titled ‘Waiting 13 Years For A Videogame’ but one of the first things he says is “this isn’t really a sequel to KH2 more so it is to all the other spin off games”

I did my waiting. 12 years of it.

@bevvvy1374

3 жыл бұрын

@Counterfeit World You're telling me you DIDN'T want a mobile game to have a place in the story?

@kingdomkey2262

3 жыл бұрын

IN AZKABAN!!!

I think a lot of the anger comes from the idea that all of the games between 2 and 3 were "just spin-offs", because they don't have a number, despite them all being super important games. I constantly see people saying "yeah it took them like 12 years of spin-offs just to finally make KH3", and then also complaining that nothing in KH3 makes sense lmao.

@bevvvy1374

3 жыл бұрын

Well it's still a valid complaint. Like BB said, we only know they're important because of hindsight. As a kid you're not going to think an important game in the series is going to come out on the mobile game when the others have been on the big consoles and unless you've been actively trying to keep up with the franchise with your own time, you wouldn't have known that until KH3.

@CloneLoli

3 жыл бұрын

@@bevvvy1374 Especially if you were poor like me and couldn't even play the majority of those games until the HD Remixes years later.

@raze2012_

3 жыл бұрын

That's the weird part in all this. BB talked about how people were waiting for KH3, but not what they were expecting. - If you were expecting what the KH2FM secret ending showed, we got that in 2010. - If you were expecting an HD game literally titled 3 but had no real expectations for the story (they just wanted to explore disney worlds in HD. Which is fine). they waited 12 years. - if you wanted resolution to all the plot hangers left , you probably waited 5-6 years, because I assume they played the "spinoffs" and were invested in either Terra/Aqua/Ventus or Axel/Roxas/Xion's stories. Something not touched upon in 2.

@Yurikon3

3 жыл бұрын

To be honest both quality and story-wise handheld titles were more or less spin-offish. I might approach this differently like others, especially after hearing Frustrated Jacob's essays, but honestly I don´t think stories in spin offs ever held that big overarching substance that not playing them would improve overall plot or understanding of main titles. Overall plot can be summarized in few sentences, but actual narrative is not that interesting that one loses much if they skip hand-helds. I didnt play CoM back then and intro of KH2 caused some headscratchs but nothing essential was lost. Actually intro-sequence, dramatically only good part of KH2, is even better when one has no idea what happened. If one didnt really care about Namine in KH2 they likely wont in CoM either. Days was more or less an afterthought while still nice little story as a manga. BBS might be only more substantical to look out but DDD can simply be summarized that villain used time travel to bring him and his cohorts back. Story didnt really do anything narratively interesting with Xehanort hiding his heart to other people so that is just technicality. People who enjoy 3 will enjoy it even without spin offs cause spinoffs do not really make most of the characters better. They are still mostly bland (That being said I think KH3 actually improved some org members who I normally didn't care about). One title can still be entertaining and character can be good character even if one hadnt played or seen rest of story (Once again KH3 actually has some better character moments which do not require knowledge of spin offs to be entertaining, let's hope Nomura improves characterization like that). Kingdom Hearts plot is already a mess so trying to know all exact lore points is waste of time. Story is actually pretty simple. Complex lore-points do not really need to be understood cause those wont bring anything narratively interesting context to the lot. Bland characters are still bland even if one had played spin-offs and bad execution of story is still bad.

@Yurikon3

3 жыл бұрын

@@bevvvy1374 Stories of spinoffs aren't even narratively that substantical or characters interesting that there is a need to struggle through them. The best way to enjoy KH's plot is just roll with what comes in anyway. If people who don't know who Terra or folks are and aren't interested in them that is more likely because they are too bland characters in the first place or the story just hasn't given that much reason to care about them. We don't know who exactly MoM is and he still is one of the most liked chars in the series, just some personality and charisma. No shoehorned backstories or demands for players to care without story doing effort are needed. Foretellers and dandelions however...

only has 2fm as earliest waiting date. *panicked waiting since watching the secret ending from 2 original on youtube before it dropped in NA noises*

I'd say I started really waiting when 3D came out, prolly cuz I badly wanted a good KH again.

@IIxIxIv

3 жыл бұрын

3d also lead into kh3 directly in a way kh2, bbs and days didn't

@ZeroAoAnimations

3 жыл бұрын

Even though im not a graphics person, considering i play old JRPGs But it still urked me that there hast been a graphical jump since ps2, for more than a decade

@JonathanRiverafrickinnice555

3 жыл бұрын

@@IIxIxIv True, but that was the last thing on my mind.

@t.v.rockwell4504

3 жыл бұрын

I remember reading about 3D before I learned that it was not in fact KH3. I was so disappointed to learn that it was a spin off.

@julioandrescruztenorio7175

3 жыл бұрын

Same.

I would've said since KH2 (not FM cuz baby me didn't even know that was a thing), but that wouldn't technically be true. What I was waiting for was the continuation of the story (not prequels or whatever you would call stories that happen at the same time), but that would have actually been 3DS. So I guess I'd been waiting for KH3 since 3DS.

@snowarmth

3 жыл бұрын

Cutie Lalafell o-o

@kingdomkey2262

3 жыл бұрын

Technically that would be Recoded

@RockR277

3 жыл бұрын

@@kingdomkey2262 It would not be Recoded. 3Ds came out 2 years after re:coded and takes place after re:coded in the story. edit: ah, nvm i see what you're saying.

FF7 remake, Detroit Become Human, star wars battlefront 3, and Avangers Endgame... All stuff people where hyped and waited for before the official announcement.

@zul2788

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah FF7 remake dream started because of how epic Advent Children was, and they did a tech demo showcasing upgraded graphics on PS3.

@jasonharris9187

3 жыл бұрын

Hook, line and sinker. This is exactly right. Just because it wasn't announced, didn't have a trailer, or any hint of existence doesn't means fans can't wait for the eventual release or just the conception of the game into existence. It's kind of insane to think that people are stupid for personally having waited the next mainline console title.

@LeMelleKH2

2 жыл бұрын

@@jasonharris9187 exactly! And you dont see fans of those franchises trying to correct how long people say they waited for them. It’s such a weird thing in this specific community

I still dont get the concept of attacking other categories to prove/justify your decision, guy literally calls the others out for being dumb and mentally challenged in his argument... Just for stating what they feel is right

@bevvvy1374

3 жыл бұрын

It's Twitter. There is no thought or consideration. Just give a hot take you thought of literally 1 second ago and post. Trying to find logic there is pointless

@SuperNintendawg

3 жыл бұрын

It's fine to attack bad arguments, but I agree that this wasn't one of them.

@ZeroAoAnimations

3 жыл бұрын

@@SuperNintendawg for me, if most of the aggression is due to personal agenda rather than the subject at hand, its a big no from me

Are people confusing KH3 has been in development for 12 years, and people have been waiting for 12 years?

@Kingdom850

3 жыл бұрын

That's what it feels like. There are people who legitimately think it suffered the same situation as FFXV.

@eddymetal

3 жыл бұрын

They are doing exactly that. It's ridiculous.

@Flambingo

3 жыл бұрын

The implication is that they (being those who refer to the wait as being 12 years long) were only concerned with when the next numbered, console title would release, disregarding the handheld games as filler.

@nesoukkefka1741

3 жыл бұрын

@@Flambingo To be honnest spreading the series on multiple system was completly stupid, like before the HD rerelease you had to have : -A PS2 -A DS -A 3ds -A PSP -And for european even a GBA (Re Chain Of Memories wasn't release on PS2 in europe for some reasons) That was pretty ridiculous thank god they are all available on PS4 now.

@Flambingo

3 жыл бұрын

@@nesoukkefka1741 The series was definitely horribly mismanaged after 2FM and I can't blame anyone for dropping off after that point. Not to mention the series' general decline beyond 2FM.

My personal wait started with the game's annoucement, as just before then I had my doubts regarding whether or not KH3 would ever exist. I feel for those who consider it a 12 year wait, though. The handheld titles are strikingly different, and to some, strikingly worse. I imagine these people waited 12 years for the next "good" Kingdom Hearts. The one they personally give a shit about.

For me it was 12 years too since my first time of playing 2fm last year and i Wanted kh3 so bad even after the original kh2 not the final Mix version. I know about the Story and i care about the story. I even played Union cross and found out it is important to the story, i mean lauriam, elrena, luxord and possibly demyx were keyblade wielders. Btw your chad/terra thundercock monolouge was awesome xD

Idk how to respond to this cuz part of me was like waiting since kh2 for kh3 to gimme that sweet sweet conclusion to the xehanort saga (which still might not be over yet...), but I enjoyed what each “side title” added to the plot and how they built up kh3 along the way

I've been waiting for Kingdom Hearts 3 since the first Kingdom Hearts 1 Beta trailer. I saw the gameplay footage and immediately thought "Wow. This looks amazing. There's gonna be at least 3 of these games and when that 3rd one comes out it'll be a real banger."

@Powerman293

3 жыл бұрын

With how much I like 3 Remind's combat compared to 1 I'd say that statement holds up lol.

i think simply that waiting for kh3 after kh2 was fair even as someone who played the other games down the line. The wait for kh3 just became a lot more concrete after the announcement

Every secret trailer is basically nomura shooting in the dark saying this is related in some way

I would say I'd been waiting since originak KH2's English release. At that time the franchise was only 3 games long. We had 2 main series games and 1 smaller title on the Gameboy with Chain of Memories. Naturally many fans thought the next game would either be KH3 or at least 1 smaller title similar to COM before KH3 itself came out. Fast forward a few years and there's a mobile game, a browser game, 2 DS games, 1 PSP game, a 3DS title and then the remasters of the earlier titles with new content most people outside of Japan wouldn't have played and THEN there's another smaller PS4 title exclusive to the 2.8 bundle before 3 itself eventually came out. It's easy to look back with hindsight and realise how many smaller titles KH made to go "Why did you expect 3 so soon?" but in the context of post KH2 in 2005/2006 the franchise was much smaller and main series numbered titles actually made up the majority of the games released back then. I also didn't skip the smaller games, I did enjoy them for what they were, but I really wanted to experience the same "wow" sensation that KH1 and KH2 had on a more powerful system at the time. As much as I like BBS for example I don't think it had the same awe that KH1 and 2 gave. These were very new and weird crossover concepts with massive boss battles in the early 2000's when something like that hadn't really been done before.

For me I'd known about Kingdom Hearts forever due to its popularity and bizarre/interesting crossover nature. A really good friend showed me the PS2 versions around 2007 to 2009, and even let me play them a bit. After all the conversations, questions, and fun were had, I'd say that was when I started waiting. Later I got the collections on PS3 and PS4, a bit before after I got everything on PS3 I started seeing teaser trailers and trailers for Kingdom Hearts 3, and I had a bit of renewed interest and extreme curiosity.

Wow a KH Talk I haven't seen yet sweet!

As a kid i had a reoccuring dream that kh3 came out and was always disappointed when i woke up. I kinda gave up hope on it when i was a teenager, but then the 2013 announcement happened and i literally screamed so loud my mom had to come check on me.i was beyond excited and immediately began replaying the first two and buying all the games i had missed. But then i had to wait another 6 years and by the time it came out, i honestly barely cared anymore. I finished it in a week or two, shrugged, and never touched it again. I began waiting when i was 10 years old and didnt finally play it until i was 23. It was too long of a wait. That child like excitement can only last so long.

@SeeMyDolphin

3 жыл бұрын

It also didn't help that... well... the game kind of sucked.

@sobersplash6172

3 жыл бұрын

This, there’s no amount of hype that can last 12 years When KH3 came out, I was so “meh” about it; I felt like I should have felt something more about it but I just *don’t* anymore

For like 15 years. I didn't even know about KH2FM. I didn't have access to any internet at the time. But my friend showed me the KH2FM Secret Ending in it's original Japanese on youtube not knowing what it even was. I remember thinking "WHOA THAT'S KH3! AND ROXAS IS BACK. LOOK AT SORA, RIKU, AND MICKEY'S KEYBLADES THEY LOOK OLD. AND WHO ARE ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE IS THIS THE FUTURE???"

Such interesting responses in that tweet.

I think i waited after 2FM. Because for so long i thought the tease of Birth by Sleep was KH3. Idk

Man, I just watched 3 of your new vids. All of them made my day for now, just great. All this KH content that is smart, funny and just real talk.

For me while I was looking forward to a kh3 from 07 I felt like I was waiting for one since after BBS. Since the games after, recoded, 3D, 0.2 felt like they were stop gaps and placeholder games that didn't really have their own fully complete narrative and instead were set ups for kh3.

I’m waiting for KH5

I feel like the main reason for this argument is because a good amount of people were disappointed with kh3 and started pointing out its flaws and this some how became a defense for kh3. Like the only way you could possible by disappointed with kh3 is if you only played 1 and 2 and waited for 3. Well I fucking played them all. Still feel like I waited for kh3 since Kairi came running with that fucking letter.

I'd say I fall into that after 2FM group(Though I was waiting since the original release of KH2). I played nearly all the side games, but I still was always wondering when 3 would finally come out, even while playing those side games.

Love these kh talks

I started waiting after seeing the Toy Story trailer since that’s when I decided to play through the KH franchise

I felt like I was waiting for KH3 since I finished KH2. When 3D was announced and it was revealed that the story would take after KH2, that's what I took as "official announcement" that KH3 was going to definitely be a thing someday

Loved this vid. It's also so much more interesting to listen to the wide variety of answers than to enforce a "correct" answer! This wait really was experienced differently by everyone, moreso than 99% of other games I can think of. Why would you not want to have a nice conversation about it? I remember seeing the poll and thinking "Hmm... I'd say 2FM from the options here, but my real answer would be after BBS or DDD." I decided on the former. BBS was the game I was hyped for after 2FM (in part because of the hype secret ending, and in part because the reveal trailer made me go "Oh HELL yeah I am down for a Keyblade masters prequel"). All the games that came out after/around it were just bonuses. After BBS, I just wanted to be back with the gang again: Sora, Donald, and Goofy.

For me I didn't go into the series until earlier this year. While I did watch Somecallmejohhny's reviews on the games back in 2017 I didn't start taking interest until I found out about the physical copy of the All in package back in April of this year so my "wait" for KH3 was about 3 and a half months (since I binge all the games starting at KH1).

Ok, food for thought Let's say if the actual KH3 game that released last year was renamed into something completely different like Kingdom Hearts: Keyblade War or whatever. Would you still be waiting for a concept named "KH3" to eventually be released?

@darkassasin111

3 жыл бұрын

If it was the exact game that shipped? Nah, and everybody would call it KH3 anyway. It wraps up the whole seeker of darkness plot and ties up most of the loose ends. If it were a game that didn't do those things, then I'd still be waiting for that big 3.

@poncho3326

3 жыл бұрын

@@darkassasin111 Adding to that, a lot more of work, ambition and money went into making KH3. We all have our opinions about how succesful that was, but I think everyone can agree that in terms of production value, the game we got qualify as the third "mainline" KH game. People could say the same thing regarding BBS and 3D, but I would disagree on the basis that these games have a lot less content and have weird experimental game design, even by KH standard. The KH 3 we got would have been recognized as a successor of KH 1 and KH 2 in these aspects whether it would have been called KH 3 or not.

@SuperNintendawg

3 жыл бұрын

The production value and stakes to the overall plot were too high IMHO. But I am still waiting for KH3 in the sense that I want a worthy successor to 2FM, even 1.

I think the wait only really started for me after I played 358/2 Days. It's rather telling when I buy a game not out of a desire to play it, but just to see how the story ends.

My god a tokyo team kh4 would be a dream come true

I started waiting after kh2fm because of the secret ending tease then *stopped* waiting when bbs was announced, revealing what that tease actually was. From then on I just took each entry as it came.

I can't say /I/ waited for KH3 since 2FM, since I didn't really get into the series until the PS4 HD collections, but to all the people who say /nobody/ waited for KH3 right after KH2, or that it's impossible to have been waiting that long: have you ever finished reading something, or watching something, or playing something, and thought "I can't wait to see what happens next?" It's not hard to imagine people wondering that after KH2, and that is a form of waiting for the next game, whether or not it had been announced or hinted at or anything of the sort.

SINCE KH2 GODDAMN VANILLA GODDAMMIT. I don't care _when_ it was announced. After KH2 ended, there was an ENORMOUS amount of hype. There was no question whether KH3 would come out or not. How could there NOT be a triple AAA follow up to the amazing GAMEPLAY & STORY that was KH2??? So I've been WAITING for KH3 to come out even BEFORE it was announced. I'd dreamed what it would be before they even showed footage of it. I played _every_ game along the way too, that's how long the hype lived within me.

i never even got to play 2fm way back when i was like in middle school i think. i remember only what i saw in like 360p videos and amvs. i don't remember the process but i tried to get like a memory card for ps2 and a japanese copy that i could play. wasn't well versed in overseas shipping and things like that so it didn't happen. after the end of kh2 vanilla you just knew there had to be a 3 but there was no announcement of 3. i think i remember 3 being announced at the same time ff versus 13 was announeced which was like in magazine and they were coming to ps3. so 10+ years would be appropriate

For me it was since 2FM. That game is what kickstarted my full dive into the series.

I remember watching the 2013 Demo and I was so FUCKING hype.

these videos are unrivalled in every way lmao

I was waiting since original KH2. Sure I played Birth By Sleep, but at the time the new characters didn't click with me. And Dream Drop Distance came to a console I didn't own. So I basically watched Let's Plays off of these games that I was unable to play, while I waited for KH3 and hope it came to a console I would own. And it did. I barely got to play FM2 even and that was through an emulator, but I never got to the FM2 parts :D. Now you could say that my wait for more KH wasn't as long as I say due to watchings the story-bits from youtube. But I personally feel like I waited for the experience of playing KH again and experiencing how Sora's story continues.

2:50 There i am Gary! There i am!

i think i waited since the 2013 trailer dropped, but im also someone who looked at the "spin-off" games and thought of those as true installments. a lot of people still look at 358 and BBS as side-games, despite having critical impact on the games that came after, kh3 included. i didn't think of myself as waiting for kh3 to come out after kh2 came out. i was waiting for the next kingdom hearts *game* to come out, and kh3 was eventually gonna be one of them.

I waited as soon as the KH2 ending finished. They literally teased a continuation of the game, and back then KH wasn't known for its ridiculous spin offs.

@raze2012_

3 жыл бұрын

"back then KH wasn't known for its ridiculous spin offs." I mean, CoM was in pretty big contention back then.

@zul2788

3 жыл бұрын

@@raze2012_ and? That one game wasn't the one that make it famous for "spin off" It started being ridiculous after BBS and Coded was announced.

@poncho3326

3 жыл бұрын

@@raze2012_ A series having one or two weird spin-off between the big important games isn't really uncommon. There has been 5 spin-offs between KH 2 and KH 3, plus one mobile game (not counting the original coded since it eventually became a fully fleshed game).

@sobersplash6172

3 жыл бұрын

@@raze2012_ I mean, CoM was technically a spin-off in game style, but it was still a direct continuation from KH1 Coded is just a pretty meaningless spin-off, and really didn’t need to happen

Omg, the first second of this video is one of the best things I've heard in a long time... and I completely agree 🤣🤣

I started waiting for kh3 in 2017 because before a saw a trailer for it (which was in 2017) i was just focused on playing the other games and just having fun

I would say that my wait for KH3 started after KH2 (didn't have access to FM until like 6 years later once I got into emulation) but my anticipation started after its announcement. Before the announcement, I was just passively hoping for the game to come out one day. Post annoucement, my excitement grew by the day and jumped exponentially with every scrap of news we'd get lol

It's not that I was waiting for KH3 since KH2, I was just waiting for any KH console game. Lest we forget, many of us had to experience the handheld games by watching playthroughs until 2008, 2014, and 2017.

I guess I've been a Sly Cooper fan longer than KH fan, but I still played KH when I was in elementary school... also, I don't ever remember unlocking "The Gathering" in KH2 english on PS2 but only when I got the PS3 version, so I guess that's one reason I've been waiting for KH3 like maybe 6 years at max. I didn't even know "The Gathering" was on KH2 english until recently. lol

For me I wanted KH 3 right after KH 2 but also for me I only enjoy the gameplay of the game and I freely admit that. I do understand the story of KH but also I personally play games for the soul purpose of having fun unless the game puts heavy emphasis on the story and I find it interesting.

My personal wait time was after the first trailer reveal. After KH2, I began waiting for the next KH game, whatever that was going to be. The existence of CoM made me realize that the series wasn't necessarily going to jump right from main game to main game, so I was prepared for anything.

I never experienced a Kingdom Hearts game before. Even tho I had a PS2, I never heard of the series before. I'm getting Kingdoms hearts Melody of memory because I've heard how godlike the ost is in the series. I'll have to see what I do next.

I played through KH1 and all the games until BBS when I was little. About 10 years later I picked up 358/2 days again and got hooked on the story so much I made researches and discovered Coded, 3D, 0.2 and Unchained. Then I heard that KH3 was coming out and my hype started there.

I guess it depends on how people look for the next game. Some people waited for KH3 since KH2 but since BBS/Days/Coded/DDD/02 came between they were still waiting for KH3. For me, what I was waiting for was the next Kingdom Hearts game, my "KH3" in this case was DDD (since that is the first game that pushes the story further, Coded story was more of a tease and even if I love BBS's story, and it was important, it didn't continue from KH2). I get why they named KH3 "KH3" but to me its like KH11.

I was waiting since 3D, the end wasn't as open as 2FM, but we knew the end was coming, so my wait began there

I would say I waited for 13 years for KH3, but I enjoyed the other KH games anyway. KH1, 2 and 3 are the only games that come out in the main consoles (not hanhelds) and star Sora, Donald and Goofy going through Disney Worlds both old and new with an interesting, good and fun combat system. Yes, I enjoyed Days, ReCoded and DDD, but none of them are "like 1, 2 and 3", all of them disapointed me in one way or another, even if I overall enjoyed them. (I played BBS much later, when 2.5 came out for PS3) Even then, the wait for KH3 felt long, 2012 (DDD) fo 2019, but, as a person who loved KH3 even before ReMind, it was worth it. The only thing I'm mad about is the absolute overdose of trailers that came out in those last two years that basically told you almost EVERYTHING about 3.

@Watch-Yisus

3 жыл бұрын

Oh, I'd also point out that I love when you want to discuss something with someone and their responses are something like "No" and "K", so funny to see, so irritating when it happens to me.

I'd say I never waited cause there was never a period of time where I was thirsting for more kh content since dmc5 was coming out relatively close to kh3 and that was what I was waiting for.

I always feel like a slightly delayed member of the fandom seeing as I jumped on the franchise with 2 and kept going so with where that game ended I *wanted* a sequel but I think you summed it up saying by having the ending they set expectations for a sequel even without it being confirmed to begin production

Another point to consider think about the wait time between KH1 and KH2 with the GBA game included: KH1: 2002 KHCM: 2004 KH2: 2005 (JP) and 2006 (ENG) Now consider the wait from KH2 to KH3 with handhelds included: KH2: 2005/2006 KH358/2: 2009 KHBBS: 2010 KHRecoded: 2010 (JP) and 2011 (ENG) KH3D: 2012 KH3: 2019 The wait between KH1 and KH2 was only about 3 years. The wait between KH2 and KH3 was legitimately 13 years. Development time? No but wait time? Yeah possibly.

KH1's secret video was showing what would become KH2, but KH2's trailer showed what would become BBS. Except everyone was expecting it to be KH3. Everyone who played KH2FM or even the original KH2 was waiting for KH3 by the end of the game.

Hilariously I only just got around to beating KH1 for the first time ever last month. Will probably beat KH2 again sometime within the next 6 months whenever my urge to play KH comes back. Hopefully by the time I'm finished with the PS3 games the PS4/Xbone emulator(s) will be in a state so I can play KH3 in 4k60+.

love you bb. when i see something new for kh i come first to you. all the others come after.. constructive critisism/love about the game etc...

Agreed. Depends, if you thought 3 was gonna come after 2, it counts. Personally, I didn’t really think of waiting for it because I was playing all the other KH games at the time. I was young and I didn’t get 2 at release. Probably 2 or 3 years after in 2008 or 2009 I believe. I still beat 2 before 358 which I did get in 2009 or 2010. I feel I’ve been waiting years for it though. I distanced myself from any news about KH (well, I was always distanced, I didn’t even hear about KH3’s reveal trailer until months later). I feel I have been waiting since the reveal. I never saw the secret ending until I watched it on KZread first.

For me it was after 0.2 bc that's when I properly got into the series

I haven’t had time to play KH3 yet but is it true that you can only use the new remind abilities on a new game plus save??? That sounds so dumb. In 2FM you get all the new abilities on a new game. Is it even worth getting remind before I play KH3?

This is gonna be a bit of a lengthy comment but I sincerely hope you take the time to read and maybe respond. As a kid, my uncle was the one who introduced me to KH, starting with the first game. He was playing through KH2 at the time so I must’ve been around 7 or 8 years old so me being into Disney as a child I wanted to play it so badly. After playing through and completing KH1 I begged my uncle to let me borrow and play 2 because I was dying to see what happened next and when I played through it my parents sat down and watched me play thinking it would be just like the first. As soon as the game started I was completely lost as I’m sure most kids were at the time. I wasn’t at all invested in this Roxas character or any of his friendships or relationships at first until they started to grow on me as I’m sure that was the intent. When it got to Roxas’ final few days I still didn’t understand anything that was going on with sora and the gang or namine and the org 13, so I asked my uncle if he knew anything and he lended me his copy of CoM and told me to play that first. I really despised the game and was confused as to why they made a spin-off side game with important details in it until I actually played through it and realized that CoM was KH2 and actual KH2 was the third game. After playing through and finishing both CoM and 2 and giving the games back to my uncle, I remember my parents buying me my own copies of 1&2 so I replayed the games eagerly awaiting the next installment. One day I was watching Nickelodeon on TV and I saw heard sanctuary start playing from the TV. My eyes glued to the screen, it showed Roxas in the organization coat. My heart stopped and I couldn’t stop jumping and squealing as it showed the next installment would be 358 days on the Nintendo DS, which aside from my PS2 was my console of choice. All of the questions I had about Roxas at the beginning of two would be answered in this game. This was kingdom hearts 4 to me. I begged my parents to get it for me when it had released and of course they did and I put more hours into that game than any other game I’ve ever played aside from KH2 and Sly2 on my PS2. Once I finished it, I replayed 2 now that I better understood Roxas and I enjoyed it even more than I had before. From that point on, even as a child/pre-teen I understood all of the games were important. I never waited for KH3 because I already had KH3 and 4 and eventually 5 with BBS which I got via GameFly and never returned even after my account was canceled I loved it so much (it’s unfortunately my least favorite now but holds a special place in my heart) and KH6 with re:coded which I had to borrow from a friend because my parents wouldn’t get it for me at the time. I remember seeing the commercials for that one on TV as well. Same with dream drop, KH7. Seeing the commercials and saving up my allowance money to get it, finally buying it on release and playing through it with my cousin who also purchased it. After that though, I stopped keeping tabs on the series as much aside from all of the KH3 news and trailers. I was excited, more so than the other games before it but I didn’t feel like I cared as much if that makes sense? Eventually the HD collections came out and I played through all of the games for the millionth time until finally 2.8 came out. The first KH game I didn’t buy. I instead just watched a KZread play through of 0.2 and didn’t care for the back cover movie. I didn’t care about the mobile game (which was JP and pc only at the time I believe). I just wanted KH3. I waited for so long until it finally released and I got it for my birthday. I remember crying while holding the case in my hands and my dad calling me a big cry baby me being an adult crying over a “kids game” I played through it twice, once with my girlfriend (at that time) and once with my little sister. I enjoyed every second of it (aside from arendelle) and thought it was amazing. Seeing all of the hate for it and people complaining about the story, I was one of the many overly defensive white knights of the series and it’s lore now having grown up with it and lived through all of the adventures. I eventually grew to realize that the people calling the other games after KH2 “side games” and “spin offs” with story in them, had never played them and actually thought that KH3 was the official 3rd installment when it was really the 9th (or 10th if you count chi/back cover). TLDR: we didn’t wait for KH3, we waited for KH9 (or 10) and nobody seems to point that out. The people that argue over the long wait for KH3 since 2 never understood what they were missing out on due to extremely poor marketing/misleading advertising, and the people who had played all of the games understood that there was never a true wait until after 2.8 had released because every game has been important to the overall narrative, like it or not. Sorry this was so long, I just really wanted to give my personal point of view on the subject matter. Thank you for reading and take care. Edit: That being said, yes Melody of Memory is KH 10 (or 11) imo because there is plot in it. A “side game”/“spin off” doesn’t have any story beats or important development imo. Perfect example being “Theatrythm Final Fantasy”

There is no wrong answer to the question, but I do feel that we were almost handheld through the process. S.E. said the next game would not be KH3, in fact the announced 3 more games (days, bbs and re:coded) so, we knew there was no kh3 yet. Once re:coded was out, we get the announcement for DDD, so we knew kh3 wasn't coming yet. We knew from the bbs secret ending about a BBS volume 2, so we knew about that as well. That means, no Kh3 yet. Once DDD is out, we were told the next game would be KH3, then we get an announcement trailer. Up until then, we were never in the dark about kh3. was there anticipation, yes but I knew not to wait, cuz we were being told constantly by the flow of games that there was no KH3 until there was. That's how I see it st least.

Lmao I'm in @nomil_ in this video thx for featuring my comment BB

Why is "was" in the title I'm _still_ waiting for it lol. It's been around 13 years for me.

I waitied since 2012 thats when I got it the series and finished DDD

I didn't beat the game until around 2012-ish, because I was a young child who was bad at fighting Xaldin and wanted as much completion as possible before the final fight, so I waited from around that time because of the ending, but the side games did make the wait less harrowing EDIT: I never played 2FM until it came out in the HD remixes, just for clarity's sake

I actually Started waiting for KH3 after I played KH2 eng on ps2 as a kid....I even made some fanfiction with few friends how KH3 would be like, and we actually got Dave Jones right XP

The good thing is that Osaka team are improving significantly. I think they did a pretty good job with kh3, especially with remind. I mean love kh3's combat as much as kh2. So I'm super excited for what they're going to do in kh4 or whatever the next big kh game is. I think we're in for a treat.

The wait for KH3 Felt like 3000 years, fell in the KH rabbit hole on kh2 relese and every time there was something like Re:chain of memories, The secret endings on Kh2, Birth by Sleep,DDD, etc. always made me think:thats it, fucking three is coming boys. Then KH3 drops and is lukewarm at best and felt like a cop out. they did my boy Xehanort dirty bro smh

I'd say about 10 years cuz I got into kh around 2009

Then there's me. I waited the time to insert the disk after taking 2.8 out of the ps. I got into kh this year so i didn't have to wait

See, there's a difference between "how long *I* waited" and "how long it took to come out". People get those mixed up and think that how long THEY waited, is the same thing as how long it took to come out. I did wait since 2 (I played 2FM in 2008, along with the Re:CoM import that came it 2FM+, and bought the English Re:CoM when it released, but didn't play it before 2FM). BUT the reason I said I waited since 2, is specifically the exact reason you said: because I assumed 3 was next. Therefore I wanted it back then, that started MY wait. I was totally fine with the other games coming out though, because they added to the story, which is why I play, so while I waited for 3 to start development, I got more story in between that time. How long you technically waited, is not the same as how long it was in development. The problem comes from the people that think "it took them 13 years to make 3", because, no..no they did not. But people use that as the REASON as to why they say they waited, and they completely ignore the handhelds. Those are the people those tweets are talking about by the way.

I love those videos. One thing that have been bothering me so much is how some people trash EVERYTHING that isn't KH4.

@raze2012_

3 жыл бұрын

Big brain question: how long have people been waiting for KH4? After KH3? After Re:mind? If we get some "medium budget" (for Square) ARPG spinoff in a few years would that count? But I think that's what implicitly starts all these arguments. if you say you waited for X years when Y games came out between that time, it's implcitily saying that that game "didn't count", "wasn't good enough", or a vairty of other things that dismiss that existence. So it devolves into "so you don't like Y game?". And we all know how those arguments end. BB puts it best in the beginning of the video.

@LucasSantana-ws8po

3 жыл бұрын

@@raze2012_ I don't know, but we can see that everytime Square posts something about X or MoM a lot of people dismiss those games, complain about neither of them being KH4 and backlash a lot

Ouch! That Halo comment hurt! Haha

9:30 I mean, um, I was looking up news lol

My hype into kh3 started with dream drop distance but one time (since I was a kid) I thought DDD was supposed to be KH3 just becuz the title was Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance. Before 3DDD I just viewed kh as a series of fun adventures to play on gba and ds emulators easily. I was using youtube to experience the original ps2 games through lets plays. I remember liking slyfoxhounds kh2 lp.

i was waiting for kh3 since after kh2, so about 13 years, but to be honest the realistic six year wait since the announcement was the best parts of being in the community

A major talking point that could have been brought up here (especially to Murph 😂) is the possibility of Kingdom Hearts 4. After playing through KH3, KH3 Re:Mind, and the Secret Episode, do you believe there will be a KH4 sometime in the future? While Re:Mind did indeed wrap up the story of KH up to this point with a very messy bow (still leaving questions unanswered), Secret Episode left the future of Kingdom Hearts to be wide open for further expansion. This is not to say that KH4 is inevitable, but with everything that was shown within Secret Episode, it is very much a possibility. Couple that with the fact that Melody of Memory looks to be expanding upon where KH3 officially left off to some extent, and the fact that the mobile games of Union X and Dark Road are still being added to, it is not unreasonable to believe that eventually, KH4 may become a reality (in like 15 years). I am expecting it, but until then, regardless, we have to wait and see where the future of the franchise goes.

When you order pizza the wait time is when you completed your order not when you feel the craving for pizza

I never waited for KH3. Because I knew it would exist, and i'd ignore KH until it did. Wasn't even a present thought in my mind. Forgot it even existed. You can't wait for a game under such circumstances, which is great for me because it's a lot less agonizing.

I'm on the 3-5 years soely cuz KH3 wouldn't be KH3 without the previous games. Just as Bloody said kh2fm ending was open ended, sure I wanted 3 but after the next games weren't 3, I just accepted that square wanted to build the story.

I 100% agreed with u

To be honest, back in the days i thought it was a movie trailer, because Final Fantasy 7 AC came out at that time xD