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i don’t think they’re star crossed lovers if he intended to make a pact with another one of his mistresses months before. sounds like he was afraid to die alone and an impressionable 17 year old was convinced to join him

@finolaomurchu8217

3 ай бұрын

Exactly

@adrianadealmeida1472

2 ай бұрын

🎯

Terrible how he convinced her, a young girl, to destroy herself for his sake. Very selfish. Thanks very much. Have a superb weekend.

When I was in my late teens, I developed a friendship with a suicidal man. I felt sorry for him and he kept talking about us being in a death pact. I was dealing with suicidal ideation at the time and he made it sound so wonderful and so romantic. Fortunately my parents got wind of the situation and was able to stop it. I see Rudolf much the same way: a selfish person manipulating a naive teenager to die with him

@ranisrikumar5735

2 ай бұрын

You are lucky, sometimes love(?) comes in the form of a death warrant for some…..

I am Austrian and especially interrested in history. Rudolph was not in love with Mary, as he had many different lovers, one lady of the night from Graz, who enjoyed Rudolphs trust. He needed a willing victim to convince to die with him, because he was to scared to commit suicide. Mary was completely obsessed with the 30+ year old crown prince and was willing to die with him. He shot her to death and sat beside in the room with her body next to him for hours, writing letters to people important to him! Now he had to commit suicide, because there was no more way out. He drank a bottle of cognac and put an end to his live. Not romantic at all, but covered up of course, because the trutv would have shown Rudolph for what he was, a murderer and coward. He was also very intangled in politics and was preparing a putsch to seperate Hungary from the Austrian Empire to become independent and people were becoming more and more aware of his secret actions. He was conspiering with p.e. Erzherzog Johann against the Monarchie and therefore his father, and it was slowly getting out into common knowledge. He played a dangerous game, and Mary was a sacrificial lamb for him. No romantic side at all in ghis tragedy! Greetings from Austria 🇦🇹

The 2017 book Twilight of Empire by Greg King and Penny Wilson has a different story at some points. I've summarized the last bit, a grim retelling in a good book that covers the lives of some of the aristocrats, “the second society”, and explains a lot of the social customs and the aftermath for everyone. They state there WAS a bullet marking found on Mary's skull, among other things, but the people involved at the time concealed the fact and some later investigators stayed with that. Rudolf didn't go to the dinner (apparently celebrating a sister's engagement), as described in the video. He went to Mayerling, and he sent for Mary, but not for the reason she wanted. Rudolf spent the day waiting for news from Budapest. Apparently there was a Magyar rebellion brewing there and when it succeeded (as he hoped) he would be crowned king of Hungary. He had also asked the Pope for an annulment of his marriage and was waiting to hear about that.(the story of both Rudolf and Stephanie having syphilis--the book says he may have but he was given a treatment that was effective for gonorrhea at the same time as treatment for syphilis. He gave gonorrhea to Stephanie, and she became sterile after a long painful illness. They had one daughter. So, no legitimate male heir for Rudolf. Remember Franz Ferdinand? He would have been the heir even if Rudolf had not got involved in a rebellion and had lived to reign, or rule, not sure how that Austro-Hungarian monarchy worked.) In Budapest, the cry for rebellion was raised-and completely ignored, the rebellion was a bust. So Rudolf was guilty of treason and not going to be king anywhere. He had heard about this by the time he and Mary went into his bedroom and closed the door. His father had ordered him to stop seeing her. Apparently the Emperor had an affair with her mother... about, oh, 20 years ago... and... thought Mary could be his daughter and so Rudolf's illegitimate half sister. The Hapsburgs were historically known for incestuous marriages but had given it up. It is said Franz Josef's mustache concealed an undershot upper jaw as a genetic legacy. So they could be said to have been, in fact, star-crossed as noted in the video. The authors think she may have been pregnant, possibly accidentally/deliberately since she would likely have heard about birth control from her mother or an aunt. As a young unmarried woman, she might have had to leave the country, or at least the capital city, the way things went in those years. But even if Rudolf got that annulment he would not have married her, which she really really wanted. And he did talk to her a lot about suicide, which was apparently common and very romanticized in those years. She repeated his words to others. There are the letters mentioned. The book's authors feel she created for herself a dream of marriage to her Prince, she would make him forget suicide! but such a marriage would not have gone through. Basically the scene as told in the book goes like this: they went in the bedroom, and Mary undressed and folded her clothes and put them on a chair. (A lovely dark green outfit she had worn ice skating, so not quite a floor length dress maybe? Coat, and hat. There's a half length picture of her in it.). She got in the bed. He sat in a chair. He conveyed his father's news, it's over. She went on crying and protesting her love. He began writing final letters. At some point he shot her in the side of the head. They describe him as focused on his end of life letters and end of his dreams, tired of hearing her protest what had to be, since there was nothing left for him. But he had romanticized suicide in many conversations with her. There is some discussion of her skull and the supposed trajectory of the bullet; that she fell forward and bled into her lap. He continued writing those final letters, it seems, almost all night, beside the bed with her body, and then shot himself. The top back of his skull was destroyed. The people who discovered them and handled his body wrapped a cloth around his skull to conceal the damage and carry out the story of an aneurysm. There is a picture in the photos of him with the bandage around his head and flowers around the body. Years later Mayerling was converted to a church and rebuilt somewhat; the altar is placed where the bed was in which she and beside which he died.

@ranisrikumar5735

2 ай бұрын

Love to hear history and related stories… but this something creepy! Respect the ones who lost their precious lives 😇

This story sounds great and sad at the same time. Thank you FLives, you always bring the best!

@ForgottenLives

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for listening :)

@ELKE-

3 ай бұрын

@@ForgottenLives Always a pleasure! Thank you! :)

I love history of different time periods. Thank you for your retelling of these events, etc.

@ForgottenLives

3 ай бұрын

Glad you like them!

You brighten my day up every time you upload ❤

@ForgottenLives

3 ай бұрын

Wow, thank you

@cadillacdeville5828

2 ай бұрын

@@ForgottenLives 🤗❤️

love when stories have an ending

I do remember the Omar S.the Mayerling,and it was a good film the story was 1st rate, thankyou

Thanks for such a brilliant story-very fascinating!

I love all your stories and learning history!

As always,you made a proper research and an entertaining Video! THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!

@ForgottenLives

3 ай бұрын

My pleasure!

I adore your content, thank you 😊

@ForgottenLives

3 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoy it!

Love your videos… Thankyou

Amazing story, I also really like June's Journey

Really great channel, luv this themes 💙💚🧡

thank you for this post. i did not know the mystery had been solved in 2015. i have watched some of the movies about him and his parents. i did not know the illusionist involved this couple as well. i'll have to add it to my list. thanks again. always enjoy your content.

@ForgottenLives

3 ай бұрын

My pleasure, thanks for watching 😁

I had forgotten about the movie with Omar Sheriff version. I love that movie. Thanks, Good job. ❤

How sad.

Love your videos ❤

@ForgottenLives

3 ай бұрын

Thanks!

Thank you. ❤

Your video on Mayerling brought me here!

@ForgottenLives

3 ай бұрын

I don't remember doing a video on Mayerling? 🤔

@deenagara9151

Ай бұрын

@@ForgottenLives It was in your other channel.

Mental issues were quite frequent in the family thanks to the inbreeding. His parents were first cousins and there was another cousin Ludwig II of Bavaria who was declared unfit to rule thanks to his mental state.

@mauricedavis2160

2 ай бұрын

Exactly my enlightened friend, and that situation is still very much prevalent in 2024🤔...🙏✨👌🦉🐲❣️

Sad story all around. You might want to look for a good 1936 French film of “Mayerling,” starring Charles Boyer and Danielle Darrieux.

@spoosieoopsie1616

3 ай бұрын

I recommend a book, "The Road to Mayerling" by Richard Barkeley.

@mauricedavis2160

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing that good information about the film, I'll be viewing it real soon...🙏✨👌🦉🐲❣️

Thank you

@ForgottenLives

3 ай бұрын

You're welcome!

Great story..ive seen 2 movies about this

SOoooo, They BASICALLY are the direct underlying "butterfly effect" reason for WW1 ?! ... Good job, Romeo. lol

@patrickkelmer6290

3 ай бұрын

Pretty much.

@msladybugbubbles

2 ай бұрын

Oooo I thought the same! The Germans spent 20+ years preparing for WWI including propaganda pieces to form public opinion taking hold by the time war broke out. This “act” was merely a step towards their goals and plan!

Such a tragedy for everyone involved

I saw a documentary back in 1985 claiming it to be murder, although he could shoot her with his pistol it was almost impossible to have shot himself as the pistol used was cavalry pistol. Designed to be fired from horseback the barrel pointed downwards. Sadly being nearly 40 years ago, I can't remember the exact details

A movie was made of this: "Mayerling" with Omar Sharif.

@verenamaharajah6082

2 ай бұрын

Yes a beautiful film but highly romanticised.

@onemercilessming1342

2 ай бұрын

@verenamaharajah6082 Not the first; won't be the last!

@msladybugbubbles

2 ай бұрын

I searched YT and it is out there…..

@onemercilessming1342

2 ай бұрын

@msladybugbubbles So is "The Truth". Ask Scully and Mulder.

This story was the inspiration for what was probably the greatest English ballets of the 20th century. I'd argue - very strongly - that the ballet is a better and stronger interpretation than any film or book of what happened. I'm not a major lover or fan of ballet - but this is a case where the art and the story come together better than a film or book. For some reason I ended up crying because I was more angry and frustrated at life at the end of a ballet than I was at the end of a film, book or documentary. Anyway... Here's the KZread ref for the whole thing. kzread.info/dash/bejne/mGWpqZKAqdfHprA.html

I read a book on this. I think there was an assassination carried out on his mother.

I ❤ your videos

@ForgottenLives

3 ай бұрын

Thank you 👊

I wish I could remember the docudrama I watched within the past two months, that covered this family. His mother was portrayed as very overbearing & controlling.

@Valentina-Steinway

3 ай бұрын

Sissi was a hands off parents and was mostly interested in herself only. She devoted herself to her 4th child, who was born after her mother-in-law died. Archduchess Sophia had taken Sissi’s first children away from her. Down to even naming the first born after herself. The trauma of losing her children so young, scarred her for life. Rudolph’s father wanted him to go to a military boarding school but he wasn’t the type of kid to tolerate that lifestyle. Very complicated family….

thanks

@ForgottenLives

3 ай бұрын

No problem!

Omar Sharif played Rudolph in the film Mayerling.

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They need to leave her body to rest in peace!!

@martensdcm

2 ай бұрын

Yes. The Prince didn't get exhumed because the family would not allow it, I surmise.

There’s a movie called Mayerling about this. It stars Omar Shariff.

I’m shook. I’ve always wanted a video on this case! So sad and in some ways, avoidable. He groomed her. Suggestion for a new video: Adèle Hugo.

@ForgottenLives

3 ай бұрын

Great suggestion!

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But how did she die. No gun shot wounds and the only thing I can think of is poison for the two. Such a sad story. She was so young and pretty. Then her family had a hard time getting her buried. That wasn’t right at all.

Who placed the Vetsera letters in the Vienna safe deposit box in 1926, thirty-seven years after the deaths?

They made a movie about this video Marling

Sounds like something out of a Kafka novel

I think someone came in through a secret door and murdered the couple😮😮

Romeo & Juliet current ❤❤

Rudolf was an opium addict and fascinated with death ideation.

Do my relative- Henry Clay frick!

This video fails to show the existing photo of Rudolf in his open coffin, with his head bandaged. No doubt that he died of a gunshot wound to the head.

kzread.info/dash/bejne/ppZ2k9xyZMysZrA.html

Why on earth would anyone want to play a game based on a real murder?!

@ForgottenLives

Ай бұрын

The game is fictional! And lot's of fun !

@tonic8177

Ай бұрын

Someone is profiting on murder! Therein lies the problem!

Was she, herself, a social climber? or was she raised by her family and parents to be a social climber?

@ForgottenLives

3 ай бұрын

Good point 👌

@gabschasse600

2 ай бұрын

An innocent girl groomed by both her family and her mentally ill older lover .

@lindaoneil5085

2 ай бұрын

Her mother was a social climber, and she groomed her daughter to be as well.

@Bcs1770

Ай бұрын

She was 17. A teenager.

@lindaoneil5085

Ай бұрын

She was a Baroness. Her father was an Austrian diplomat, who was later promoted to the rank of Freiherr (Baron) in 1870 by Emperor Franz Joseph. Her mother came from a wealthy noble Greek family. Her mother encouraged all their daughters to be social climbers in order to make good marriages. However, Baroness Mary Vetsera could not marry Crown Prince Rudolf, because he was already married to Princess Stephanie of Belgium, but it was not a happy marriage.

OMG Look at those lips, be still my heart ;}