Fun Fact: Whenever a high church official (like a cardinal) would introduce their illegitimate offspring into the higher echelons of society, they'd introduce them as their "niece" or "nephew". A child of a supposedly deceased (or made up) sibling that the cardinal "graceously" took in and adopted as theirs.

@RogueVideoRaven

7 ай бұрын

From what I remember from my Borgia phase, the fact that Rodrigo publicly claimed his kids as his own rather than calling them his nephews or niece is part of why he was disliked by the rest of the cardinals

@areiaaphrodite

7 ай бұрын

@RogueVideoRaven Yep and why it was so shocking. It was like he was lifting the veil on the cardinal's image of purity

@wg8517

7 ай бұрын

I wondered about that

@Asthepersianssay

7 ай бұрын

Sounds about right.

@nightshade316

7 ай бұрын

Its like years ago but now, the rule was really strict so almost impossible to do that

So she gets slandered as a black widow (despite loving the husband who was murdered, and eventually coming to get along with the third) but her homicidal brother who did the murder inspired depictions of Jesus. To top it all off the book that was probably written to satirize his homocidal personality was taken seriously? I feel bad for her.

@katherinealvarez9216

7 ай бұрын

Yup

@tondriasanders6306

7 ай бұрын

Same. So typical.

@jaybee4118

6 ай бұрын

Yes, unfortunately that’s a patriarchal and misogynist society does. Frequently vilifies women and lionises men, often regardless of what they actually did. Bad stories about women are believed over good stories. Good stories about men are just believed and the bad stories sometimes even help them be seen as good, because you know men get stuff done, or some such rubbish.

@marablu7

5 ай бұрын

And let’s not forget she is said to have inspired Cersei in GoT…

@SM-ky6pb

4 ай бұрын

Cesare didn't really inspired depictions of Jesus. Although they do bare a striking resemblance, the stereotypical depictions of Jesus that we know of today has been around even before Cesare's time. Apart from that though, I do agree with you about Lucrezia's unfortunate life

I'm from Ferrara, and I like that here in my city Lucrezia is remembered as a pretty nice person despite her "roman" reputation. An interesting fact about her is that She's an ancestress of the actual monarchs of Belgium, Spain and Luxembourg through her granddaughter Anna d'Este, so her legacy continues today :)

@LindsayHoliday

7 ай бұрын

Very cool!

@Lacteagalaxia

7 ай бұрын

This is a Spanish family ; and had you treadly xenophobes

@masterteachereducationconv9766

5 ай бұрын

yes and I have dna which proves she was my x many greatgreat grandmother

@laurennicholson6673

4 ай бұрын

That poor girl, being forced to marry and sleep with a 27 yo man in front of your father! Can’t imagine

"and he could only consume breast milk from a young woman" yeah... sure, me too.

@EyeDee98

7 ай бұрын

Ikr?? When I heard that I was like “bullshit, he’s just saying that” lmao

@otiyayvi

7 ай бұрын

​@@EyeDee98right????😭

@selardohr7697

7 ай бұрын

Had to pause the video there and check the comments after hearing that load of horse puckey. What a dillweed.

@ilariaciccarelli8775

7 ай бұрын

he did, it's in the Bucardo's diary, strange but true

@ledam2654

7 ай бұрын

When I heard that mess, I was like, "Poor woman." Wonder if it was in a cup for 'straight from the source'.

I've always felt bad for Lucrezia. So much slander was made up about her, and her husbands were killed to benefit from new alliances from new husbands. Once Rodrigo was dead, she became a generic Italian noblewoman from what I read

@xianxiannn

7 ай бұрын

:(

@einezcrespo2107

7 ай бұрын

Agreed. I think she gets a bad rap because of her brother's deeds. Susan Bradford's biography of Lucrezia painted a more sympathetic POV. When she died the people of Ferrera mourned her.

@Internet-Alias

7 ай бұрын

She wasn't generic, she was a governor of Spoleto in her own right, and did it well. She was very smart and able to show it! She was famous for her skill at political intrigue

@fabulouschild2005

7 ай бұрын

@Internet-Alias ah, I worded it a bit wrong. What I meant by "generic" is she lived a fairly normal life for an Italian noblewoman once Rodrigo had died. I've got plenty of love for Lucrezia!

@Internet-Alias

7 ай бұрын

@@fabulouschild2005 She is just so cool!!! What is there not to love

What’s so tragic and infuriating is that Lucrezia only ever did what the men in her life expected from her, which was what was expected of all women, and her reputation was tarnished by the same society that forced her life to be what it was all the same. Lucrezia was intelligent, capable, and based on the evidence available a genuinely kind person who did the best she could for her people, and the thanks she gets is being lumped together with the self-serving men who made her life an ordeal.

@WhitneyDahlin

6 ай бұрын

I can't believe everyone glossed over that who could "only drink milk from the chests of young women" 😂 its clear he was just making that up. Nothing was stopping him from having regular goats or cows milk

@jolenaroe3001

6 ай бұрын

​@@WhitneyDahlinThank You!!! I was thinking the same thing ..... Like we aren't gonna talk about a grown ass man needing to breast feed??? 😂

@shadelings

6 ай бұрын

Women have always the scapegoat of men historically. But is that truly a surprise though? When it is literally baked into the origin story of Christian myth that Woman is the cause of everything bad while Man is everything good and wholesome? It's not surprising to me, anyway. Religion gives those in power all the excuse they need to do exactly what they want.

@jungtothehuimang

6 ай бұрын

That's such an unfortunate truth for almost all women throughout history. They are always made the scapegoats for the flimsy, selfish and cruel whims of the shitty men around them. Anne Boelyn comes to mind, but she's just one of many. Lucrezia was intelligent and yet will be remembered as the incest princess, despite there being no evidence to support the claim.

@robertbell6494

6 ай бұрын

Murderous woman

Lucrezia Borgia was a woman of great faith, who was used by the men in her life until her last breath. Because of her family, the historical figure of her is portrayed as evil to the detriment of the truth!

@susanlett9632

Ай бұрын

When I was in Jr high school we were taught she seduced her father. Now I realize it was 💩 and if she had been with him in that way he'd have been to blame but in my younger years (70s and '80s) women and girls were blamed for the behavior of men. Even assaults sadly

Lucrezia is one of many women that shows history always favor men and will continue to do so. Many people blatantly ruined the reputation of women who was only a child when everything happened.

@screweverything2215

6 ай бұрын

I would argue, teenagers back then weren't the same as teenagers now. Back then if male and in a trade family you were a pro by the time you became a teenager. And expert and beyond by early twenties. Just my thoughts on that particular notion.

@jaybee4118

6 ай бұрын

⁠@@screweverything2215what does that have to do with anything? While teenagers wasn’t, strictly speaking, a concept then, people still knew teenagers were very young people. They weren’t pros at teenage years, they were normally still apprentices in most trades until later teen years. Yes, they were experts, but “pros” wasn’t a term then just like teenage wasn’t. You were an apprentice until you were completely proficient at something, usually late teen years at earliest. As if any business man wanted to pay their young staff member a decent wage until they knew they could do everything lol they strung that out as long as possible. Good job we have laws to prevent child labour and exploitation now. Yeah, I can talk about stuff unrelated to the OPs post too. Lucretia was a child regardless of who had to work and how proficient they were.

@screweverything2215

6 ай бұрын

@@jaybee4118 there was another comment there apparently they deleted it when I said what I said. Was claiming teens ruin their own lives, that's why I said that, a teen from prior to 1800s is nothing like teenagers since then.

@AlluminaOnyxia

6 ай бұрын

​@@screweverything2215That's not true at all. Teenagers have always been teenagers. That's why the history stories are so terrible. Handing over adult responsibilities and rights to children who in turn are traumatized and acting out with the power to do immense damage. In this case it was a father of questionable character who used his kids as minions and his daughters desirability to attain position and power. The brother wasn't acting on his own. He was likely the most willing to get his hands dirty. This story is very clearly about bad parenting and power thirst.

@screweverything2215

6 ай бұрын

@@AlluminaOnyxia said by 90% of the time was old fooks trying to keep the status quo in their favor. 1 scientist usually don't get credit til dead or close to it. 2 great artists usually not recognized until after death 3 atrocities of the wealthy usually not uncovered til at least 3 generations removed Need I really go on. Old folks don't like aging out anymore than young people like being cast aside strictly for age. As someone right in the middle of the 2 it's easy to see. Then I'll age out and hate that damn infernal noise too 🤪

I hate the way women back in those times were talked about and treated so badly. Rumors of that nature are enough to cut you to the bone. That is why the tongue is such a deadly weapon.

@Donna-cc1kt

Ай бұрын

I agree, however it is still active today. Women in power is still today not popular, encouraged or promoted . I love my life. I love men. Still I know the corporate world keep women down.

@DannyDevitoOffical-TrustMeBro

Күн бұрын

To be fair, the exact same tactic has always been used against any political figure, male or female. It doesn’t matter what you are, really, all that matters is that you’re not one of Them, whoever Them may be at that time.

@tudorrosey76

Күн бұрын

I agree with you both! I’ve never been a politician unless you count being the secretary for Future Business Leaders of America. It is true to this day. Anyone that has a daughter they have to walk the straight and narrow. If they get caught in a scandal it affects the whole family. Not so with men. It’s not right but still happening.

She’s pretty much a victim of political corruption.

@MauriceDunstan

7 ай бұрын

And the patriarchal system.

@jaybee4118

6 ай бұрын

@@kevinclark3086for what? Having intercourse with someone?

@stephanieallangarman5598

3 ай бұрын

Religious hypocrisy as well.

It's sad that her bad reputation started when she was just 14

@ardenalexa94

6 ай бұрын

All the things women went through in the past make me glad that I’m alive today rather than back in say the early 1900s and before that. Feel so bad for lucrezia.

@Nk.gracee

2 ай бұрын

She may not have done anything bad so learn to learn first

Props to her husbands that actually treated her kindly. It was sad that the one she was truly in love with had been killed way before his time. I don't understand why she would stay with her family or was even affectionate with them after using her so much. I would've never forgiven them for using me so horribly. Also everytime i hear people say bad things about her, I'm gonna correct them. She was an intelligent and kind person and she should be recognized as a victim, not a villain💐

@dorinadumbrava3174

7 ай бұрын

Well, I doubt she had much choice. At that moment in time a woman was meeely the property of her male relatives.

@jaybee4118

6 ай бұрын

They had two of her husbands killed. She undoubtedly knew about other stuff they did, there’s many, many rumours some are probably true. Added to that, women had very few rights in those days (and up until shockingly recently, when I was born a in a lot of countries women couldn’t have bank accounts, including the USA and many others had only made it law a few years before!) so what exactly was she supposed to do? And remember people raised in abusive situations (in what ever form it is) can have, what to those of us on the outside see as, strange behaviours. Great for you if you’ll correct people for speaking bad about her, but it’s been many centuries since they all died, so it’s not like they’re a threat to you lol for her it was a direct threat all the time. It seems like life got much easier for her once her father and brother died, and that speaks volumes to me.

@duplessis3

6 ай бұрын

she had limited resources and of course history is written by the victors.

@Borderose

6 ай бұрын

Because they loved her too. Rodrigo didn't arrange marriages for her purely for strategic value, he did it because that's what a good parent was expected to do. You want your daughter taken care of even after you die so he tried to arrange the best possible matches for her. For Cesare it was even more so. Lucrezia was the only woman Cesare Borgia legitimately adored. Everytime something good happened to him? He always told her first. When she got sick? He derailed his armies twice to be with her. Her doctors even remarking how indispensable he was to treatment as he was the only one who can reliably cheer her up and make her laugh. When he was finally slain? Lucrezia was one of the few souls in the world who genuinely wept for him.

@Borderose

6 ай бұрын

​@@dorinadumbrava3174What an uncharitable and horrifc way to characterize women of the time.

For those who want to know the real Lucrezia, like me, a great book is Samantha Morris' Cesare and Lucrezia Borgia. She is a British historian and quite good.

@einezcrespo2107

7 ай бұрын

Sarah Bradford's book is also good.

@ZackRekeSkjell

7 ай бұрын

Thank you for the recommendation!

I feel like in the list of women royal history did dirty, Lucrezia and Anne Boleyn are pretty high up

@michellemorrison9663

7 ай бұрын

Not just history, nowadays Hollywood doesn't help at all. Most people only watch movies and series and from what they watch instead of researching and they create this misguided opinion on historical characters. So sad cause we're still struggling with their images

@user-kk2ew6tw8l

6 ай бұрын

comparing those two is like comparing apples and oranges.

@pizzamassacre

6 ай бұрын

Why anne boleyn??? Why ALWAYS her? What a joke.

@michellemorrison9663

6 ай бұрын

@pizzamassacre I don't understand what your problem is? Why? Because rumors from enemies and Hollywood have done these women wrong. Uncultured people who do not read historians' research also don't help their image. Lucrezia and Anne are just examples. Just like Catherine de Medici. Was Catherine really evil, the Black Queen or a "Serpent Queen" as Hollywood and enemies paint her to be. Or was Catherine a survival Queen? A queen with a duty to produce heirs when her husband spent most of his time with his mistress, Dianne de Poitiers. Women were seen differently back then. There is no problem with talking about it still when we have media wrongly portraying these women.

@KL-ki8db

6 ай бұрын

@@pizzamassacre Because she also had a reputation that was mostly fabricated and furthermore died as a result of the false rumors? Say what you want about her, but no one deserves to die unfairly with the most ridiculous charges that a half decent lawyer can see through as nonsense.

When you think about it she was nothing more than a pawn to be used as her father or brothers will, along the way her name was ruined and she couldn’t even mother her own child. I feel so much pain for her.

OH MY GOD im pretty sure her story inspired the webcomic "how to win my husband over" the impotent ex husband, the brother, the incest rumors and even the surname! its one of my favorites comics and i had no idea it was inspired by a real historical figure o_O

@DancingonKnives

6 ай бұрын

YES ANOTHER READER

@fmjjjjn7510

5 ай бұрын

It’s coming back in the summer 2024😪😪😪😪 I can’t wait

@Sanrio_Nero

13 күн бұрын

Shes actually depicted as a villain in another story : I’m the queen in this life

So THAT is where the name “Sancha” originated. My family is Mexican and for some in our culture the word “Sancha” is used as slang for mistress/lover etc.

@lalywindland5764

7 ай бұрын

Who knows if Sancha of Aragon was a willing mistress to Cesare and Juan? If she was forced, no one could help her, her arranged husband was only 12 y.o. Also, if she was willing, I think her husband would have gotten rid of her after Cesare, Juan and the Pope died and he came of age, but he kept her, moved away with her and had children together, raising them along with Lucretia's son (and Sancha's nephew) Rodrigo and the mysterious Infans Romanus. I think Sancha was a victim just as much as Lucretia.

@ilariaciccarelli8775

7 ай бұрын

@@lalywindland5764 Joffré was her second husband. The first, Prospero Colonna, was chosen for her by her grandad king Ferrante. Sadly the king didn't know that Prospero was prince Alfonso's lover, Sancha's father was a raging bixesual. And Alfonso and Prospero continued to be lovers during the marriage, Alfonso was a very evil man so Prospero was forced to stay with him ans Sancha had to agree with it, a very horrible story for a 13y old girl

@Elena_Errepe

7 ай бұрын

Sancho Ramírez was the son of Ramiro I el batallador, first king of Aragon. Sancha de Aragón, sister of Sancho was a key figure in the expansion of the kingdom. This to say: it was a pretty popular name for royals back in day that did not mean mistress. And it's where the surname Sanchez comes from : hijo/a de sancho.

Absolutely love that GRRM could have picked literally anything from history to base GOT on and he said "hmmm, lets do the incesty bits" like okay that's a choice

@kattrielladoesstuff

5 күн бұрын

To be fair, the incest IS historically accurate . . .

14:00 As a Latina I find it interesting that both brothers had an affair with a girl named Sancha because in Spanish slang “Sancho” means the man that your wife is having an affair with.

@lalywindland5764

7 ай бұрын

It's a very common name, kings and queens were named Sancho and Sancha in the 1000s C.E. Who knows if Sancha of Aragon was a willing mistress to Cesare and Juan? If she was forced, no one could help her, her arranged husband was only 12 y.o. Also, if she was willing, I think her husband would have gotten rid of her after Cesare, Juan and the Pope died and he came of age, but he kept her, moved away with her and had children together, raising them along with Lucretia's son (and Sancha's nephew) Rodrigo and the mysterious Infans Romanus. I think Sancha was a victim just as much as Lucretia.

What a sad and rough life she had! Never being allowed to see her eldest child. Being forced to marry different men for the benefit of ONLY her father and brothers. But I'm glad she found herself with a decent man at the end.

Her greatness was erased simply based on the rumors of jealous men , and they say we are fickle 😹😹😹😹😹

Almost every woman who has ever had a position of privilege and power has had terrible rumours circulated about her. Men in the same position usually get respect and admiration.

i have been waiting for this video!!! Lucrezia's story is SO fascinating to me. it's so tragic and so heartbreaking, and the fact that her true nature and self were lost to history because of the horrific lies and stories spun about her by men in power just makes it all the more tragic.

@tondriasanders6306

7 ай бұрын

The poor woman’s life was so full of tragedy, it could have been penned by Shakespeare

Poor Lucrezia, used as a pawn all her life, her happiness destroyed by a scheming family and her name blackened by association. I hope she found some small happiness in her life.

@SM-ky6pb

4 ай бұрын

I think she did find happiness in her life with Alfonso but unfortunately it just lasted for a short time

Cesare was buried in the nave of The Church of Santa María in Viana, Spain. One of the later bishops had him dug up and moved outside to the doorstep so people would wipe their feet on his tombstone. 😄 Thank you for your impressive videos.

@Devilxmakareeree27

6 ай бұрын

That bishop is savage

Goodness, how sorry I feel for her. She just wanted to love and be loved, and was cruelly used by her father, brothers, and the rumor mill. My heart broke for her that she wasn’t able to be with her oldest son. I can imagine her, in that month she spent grieving, asking everyone who knew him what he was like, what made him happiest, what he enjoyed-just so she could feel close to him.

Do the entire Borgia family!!!! I love this!

So after Lucrezia and Alfonso's sister tried so hard to save him, some devil strangled him anyways. Pure evil.

Fun Fact #2: The Corleone Family in The Godfather movies was based on the Borgias

@donaldjones9830

7 ай бұрын

Then there was the Disney movie and sequel, The Shaggy Dog and Shaggy DA (District Attorney)

Given that Rodrigo and Cesare’s reputations when it came to sex, I doubt Lucrezia had any choice when it came to having any kind of sex with either of them. I think she was raped and molested from an early age-after all, she was betrothed at 10 to a grown man, so they obviously didn’t see anything wrong with forcing a child into sex with a grown man. I also believe that she learned to do whatever she had to do to survive in a world where women had no rights and were essentially regarded as breeding stock and little more. My personal belief is that she was judged far more harshly than she would have been if she had been a man. She was further vilified because she dared to be ambitious and acquired power, which was not acceptable in a woman.

@opusv5

5 ай бұрын

You're right.

I rarely comment but today I will! Thank you so much for making a video on Lucrezia! She's one of my favourite historical women!!!

If I read the Sforza family tree correctly, I think Giovanni and Caterina Sforza were cousins (their fathers were brothers). I don’t know if you’ve done a video on Caterina or other members of the House of Sforza, but Caterina Sforza was a major power player in the politics of Renaissance Italy and a rival to Cesare Borgia. Caterina was married three times, and her first husband (Girolamo Riario) was one of the organizers of the Pazzi Conspiracy (which I think you may have covered in the video about the House of Medici) and the nephew of Pope Sixtus IV (who was also in on the conspiracy). If you haven’t done a video yet on Caterina, she’s definitely a subject worth considering.

My tired brain SO misread this as "Lizzy Borden" for a moment, before I realized she had nothing to do with the pope and allegedly favored axes. XD

@dominaevillae28

7 ай бұрын

If you are interested in Lizzy Borden, Law & Lumber has a show called Trial of the Century, with another lawyer & a historian, which provided info I had never heard before.

@ZeoViolet

7 ай бұрын

@@dominaevillae28 I have read and watched a million documentaries on her, but I will also check to see if I have seen that one, and watch it if I haven't. Thanks!

@megandrynan6080

7 ай бұрын

Lol. This happens to me all the time when I'm tired.

@babs2952

3 ай бұрын

honestly, Lizzie Borden was also screwed over by history so your brain was making some good connections

My first introduction to this lady was through Assassin's creed. She didn't impress me much in the game in terms of being human. But the real version of her is kinda interesting. Thank you for doing this video ^^

This is why I cannot watch the Borgias series. When I learned how a lot of the salacious plot lines are based on slander, I get annoyed that its the slander is what survived in pop culture.

Im really glad you covered the Borgias. They have a fascinating history! The series Netflix did on them was incredible. I loved it just as much as the Tudors.

Franky, I learned of Lucrezia when I was still 15 years old through the vocaloid song Cantarella. As a young teen who loved to ship Miku and Kaito (who is playing Cesare Borgias in the song) I romanticized their story, as in thst song they are presented as half siblings (frankly I myself am weirded out in hindsight why I shipped them). Now as an adult I can only pity her youth and be happy how the latter years of her life turned out... I am stilm interested on how the infamous Cantarella was made though...

This was so good, I have been getting into the itailian nobility so this video came at the right time. Have you considered doing a video on Isabella of Aragon, Duchess of Milan? Her life story is so sad but also beautiful and poetic, I would like to see what other details you might be able to dig up to bring her story to light.

I'm so grateful for your channel, Lindsay. This is why we need more women historians, to look at these stories from a new perspective without patriarchal lenses.

Love your content Lindsay! Please consider doing a video of the best borgia: Pope Alexander VI. you're the best, never miss and upload of yours!

@Kallynthehuntress

7 ай бұрын

Pope Jeremy Irons!

Not sure if the "Missing Plugin" was intentional at 15:56 but it did make me laugh quite a bit.

I am re-watching Borgia and was JUST thinking how awesome it would be if you did a video on Lucretzia!

Such an interesting life of an italian noblewoman at the time! You should do a video series on the Medicis! After all they came to rule over Florence for generations and became the head of the Christian World as Pope.

The fact that she saved her husband’s life and then he told everyone she was sleeping with her brothers/dad is 🤢 Also… it’s almost like children shouldn’t be married or in politics 😅

Could you do a video on the six mother in laws of Henry viii?

@cato1684

5 ай бұрын

Only 4 I think. Anne Boleyn and Catherine Parr’s mothers were dead. Not sure about Katherine Howard. 1st Mother in law was Queen of Spain, the others were totally uninteresting (my opinion)

@graceneilitz7661

2 ай бұрын

1. Isabella I of Castile 2. Elizabeth Howard 3. Margery Wentworth 4. Maria of Jülich-Berg 5. Joyce Culpeper 6. Maud Green 1, 5, and 6 were dead by the time of the marriage. Queen (regnant) Isabella was the highest ranking, followed by Duchess (regnant) Maria of Jülich-Berg. The rest were unknowns on the European stage, it’s not a coincidence that the two wives Henry did execute, and the one he contemplated executing were English nobility with no powerful foreign relatives.

Having survived all that, is there any wonder if perhaps Lucretia poison her own father and brother. They made her life a living hell

P.S: Please consider doing a video about the rest of Napoleon’s love interests: Desiree Clary, Marie Walewska, & Empress Marie Louise. They each have an interesting story of their own and a video about them would be fascinating. No pressure of course.

This is the perfect video for October. I’ve never heard of her and every twist and the dark drama had me on the edge of my seat

Been rewatching the old Showtime show 'The Borgias' with my wife, so this was perfect timing!

Great to see your narration Lindsay 🥰 Renaissance is such an intricate and intriguing era. It has such a exhilarating atmosphere and my favourite century.

Thank you for sharing her story, I was in tears by the end. I've seen The Borgias and other dramas and documentaries about the family, but no one has told her story like this. You've done her justice, and I'm sure she's appreciative ❤

@user-ev4ie2wx7k

25 күн бұрын

Why on earth do you think this video has veracity? The awful voice perhaps?

15:48: there is a lady who seems to be serving the guests with her back faced towards them. It is rare to see the help or slaves painted into a such a portrait. Sparked my interest! Love your videos 🫶🏾💐

I've always felt so bad for Lucrezia. Her family used her for political advantages onl, she suffered as a wife and mother, society saw the worst of her cause of those men around her, stories about her give herba bad reputation, she ends up living a good, healthy, and somewhat loving life when her father and brother die. Historians correct it all and try to clean her image and there comes Hollywood ruining her image ten thousands fold and romantazicing her "villain" side. Such and intelligent and beautiful woman that just wanted peace, family, and love😢❤

Yay another great video, I can’t wait to see what you have when you go to Scotland. Keep up the great work Lindsay 😊💕⭐️

Like so many women in history, she aounds like a victim of the men who controlled her and the men who at once lusted after her and hated and envied her family at the same time.

Lindsay I was just listening to the podcast that you posted today and again like last week the podcast it is disrupted with an advertisement and then the podcast starts again at 22 minutes with your intro music plays again.

@LindsayHoliday

7 ай бұрын

Thanks, I checked and there isn't a problem with the file. Might be the podcast app.

@lyndanickerson1373

7 ай бұрын

@@LindsayHoliday Thank you Lindsay possibly Amazon Music

Your range is incredible lindsay! Your topics always interesting! You're the best 😊😊😊❤❤❤❤

Thank you for giving us a story about her life with compassion. Thanks also for including detailed context of her personal life, such as the political situation and her family’s role in it. I found myself spending a lot of time, much longer than I’d expected I would, paused to examine the maps, portraits, various graphics etc.. I typically do this in any given video, but not usually to such an extent. The maps in particular have me thinking I might look into a broader scope of European, and even World, history than I typically do. I tend to become hyper-focused on the U.K. (and within that the monarchy - especially the Tudors - though I realize how common that is and it makes me feel self-consciously ordinary, but I can’t help myself, because it really is such terribly fascinating stuff! But it’s time to branch out, and so I’m glad this channel exists! From time to time I’ve considered casually looking into this topic, just as someone with a lot of interest in history, but for one reason or another I simply hadn’t bothered. I’m so glad I finally watched not only something about her/this topic, but this exact video - knowing how vastly different the quality of these kinds of videos can be, and that many are just a half-arsed run-down of basic facts. I’m the same age as she was when she died, and, although our backgrounds could hardly be less similar, I can absolutely feel her sadness. My traumas, losses, betrayals, injustices and so on, are different in details, but I feel a great deal of empathy with her as her tale is told of being a woman in a man’s world, struggling to be treated fairly. And if she actually did have a poison ring, I can’t really judge her, because I bought myself one a few months ago - having always wanted one… not that I would ever put it to its intended use! 😉 I believe in reincarnation (I also believe everyone has a right to believe what that they want or feel a need to, and without anyone pushing other beliefs onto them; my own statement of belief is simply included to make more sense of the statements the follow.) and I absolutely hope that Lucrezia and her true love have had, or at least will get another chance at a full life of happiness together. And I hope some of the other people who were less deserving of sympathy, have been/will get the opportunities to learn their lessons, improve and resolve the “karma” between themselves. What a mess greed and unchecked emotions like anger and lust, make of our lives and our communities! What a shame we can’t behave better and be kinder to one another! It sure makes for good stories, however.

Ive been waiting for a video on her for foreverr thank you 💓

OMG THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO, I WAS WAITING FOR MY REQUEST ON A VIDEO ABOUT LUCRETIA BORGIA 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰

Jesus: Try to keep it in your pants, but if you can't, you should get married. The Church: Yeah, but no.

@jandrews6254

3 ай бұрын

Wasn’t that Paul? It is better to marry than burn?

@paulwillard9687

23 күн бұрын

It was

Lucrezia gets such a bad rap because of her brother's shenanigans. I doubt she actually poisoned anyone. Though she and her 3rd husband Alfonso de Este weren't faithful to each other he did mourn her when she died.

The Borgias had a bad rep, undoubtedly well deserved. Lucretia was always being used by her family, to marry powerful men, as a female she didn’t have much choice.

I've asked this question about both Lucrezia Borgia and Dr. William Gull (for the past thirty years the most notorious Jack the Ripper suspect)...is it better to live a universally recognized good life but die in obscurity, or have your name live forever in infamy because of vile lies and rumors?

@railwaymechanicalengineer4587

3 ай бұрын

Your out of luck DNA research has connected clothing of a suspect & artifacts left at the crime to reveal Jack the Ripper was a lowly draysman (Brewery delivery driver). All the items have been in the Metropolitan Police Museum since the murders !!!

I love this so much! Thank you for a new video!

I was invested in Lucrezia's story... until I saw the image at 19:43. Like, *oh my-*

Most comprehensive video on this topic I’ve ever seen 🙏🏻🙏🏻❤️

FANTASTIC! I was eager to know her story better!

One of your best videos yet! ❤

dope as always! Thanks icon

IVE BEEN DYING FOR MORE ON HER !! Thank you!!!

Everybody a new video by Lindsay just dropped

Well now I know that this story must have been inspiration for the webtoon/novel "How to get my husband on my side" but on a fantasy-romance take

Love your channel your stories are always so interesting I learn a lot. Your voice also makes it even better it's very nice and relaxing 😌

I live your videos so much! I think ur the best💕

Very interesting and informative! Thanks 😊

Daughters being used as tools. 😢

I did not know much about her. Great video ❤

As a kid I read a book about the Renaissance that had a whole chapter dedicated to this pope, could never remember who he was. Ironic that I finally find him here and he's not even the star of the show. Definitely a miserable character.

my favorite hobby is learning about misunderstood women then falling in love with them by the end of it

Poor Lucrezia got such a bad rap. She was doing what the men in her life wanted for a lot of it. When she was Duchess of Ferrara, she was popular and well-respected.

Who knows if Sancha of Aragon was a willing mistress to Cesare and Juan? If she was forced, no one could help her, her arranged husband was only 12 y.o. Also, if she was willing, I think her husband would have gotten rid of her after Cesare, Juan and the Pope died and he came of age, but he kept her, moved away with her and had children together, raising them along with Lucretia's son (and Sancha's nephew) Rodrigo and the mysterious Infans Romanus. I think Sancha was a victim just as much as Lucretia.

Another awesome Video😍😍

Who else thinks the manwha character Rudbeckia de Borgia was based on this woman?

Hi Lindsay! I love your video! I wonder if you do a profile of catholic saints, i will truly appreciate it

Lucrezia, Giovanni, Gioffre and Cesare Italian barmy army, The Borgia Family Our daddy was Rodrigo I had a monstrous ego Where he makes trouble we go The Borgia Family Our tale begins Renaissance Spain, Its leaders were a shower And I run out of patience So began in my quest for power I splashed my cash to all the papal cardinals in hope That they’d be bought, they were in short And I became the Pope More power than I oughta Blood’s thicker than water Appoint my sons and daughter To run a dynasty With daddy as the Pope, I could do as I pleased was ace, I’d kill a man who dared To like invade my personal space I found a husband for Lucrezia Rich Giovanni Sforza, do you love him? Yes of course but love his power and money more so Now married to the Sforza’s This opens up new doors-as The world bows down before us The Borgia/Sforza family Oh yes, and while we’re at it we will marry son Gioffre Aged twelve but so what soon will be The Borgia/Sforza & the Naples family When the Sforza family Eventually bores ya With just annul the marriage If he refuses to divorce ya Don’t I get a say? Don’t fret, for you another man I’ll get, Alfonzo of Aragon I like him this could go on and on! You like him I’ve gone off him His pretty face makes me wince You killed him! Yeah I’m the model for Machiavelli’s Prince Giovanni run the army but Cesare said No way! I’ll kill you if you cross me I might kill you anyway I am the mostest powerfulest, evilest of all As long as dad’s alive There’s not a single chance I’ll fall Huh aaaaah! Awww nooo We suddenly lost status It seems the whole world hate us They excommunicate us The Borgia Family R.I.P

@LindsayHoliday

7 ай бұрын

❤️ horrible history

It was really good learning about her!!!

I want Lindsay to do a series on the most corrupt popes in history!

15:55 Missing Goose Costume

Now HERE'S a story I've been dying for...🤩

wow this is super juicy🤩 i’d love to hear more about this crazy situation, i can only imagine the gossip at the time 😳

Loved this video

I found this incredibly interesting and very informative

Please make a Pope history series like you have with the English monarchy, etc. I’m dying for it!!!

I really hate how women are devalued and mistreated in history... Such wonderful and brilliant humans wrongfully accused because men couldn't do wrong. 😡

Our cheek, the candle’s favorite place to come. Our hair where waters congregate to pray. Our teeth the angels wait to gaze upon in rare phenomenons our smiles stay. We’re taxed despite this miracle design. Where once a princess laughed, a tour guide’s there as cameras light the spiral stairs she climbed. In photographs her ghost almost appears. Who taxed a princess? Charging her to live? The morning blossoms on thy face for free, and still the government demands you give- -but mornings also bronzed a princess cheek. Deserving freedom, find that bygone wick, and never let them make you pay to live.

Lucrezia was greatly loved by her brother, Cesare Borgia. Now Alfonso of Aragon was a good and kind man and that was good match for Lucrezia. It is sad that Cesare had Alfonaso murdered. Cesare was wild. God how the man was wild. At least Lucrezia had Rodrigo Borgia who was her son by Alfonso. Her union with Alfonso d'Este was also a good union

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Lindsay, is there a chance the painting of her at 23:30 is a misidentification? It doesn't make sense that a woman whose hair was so notoriously blonde, apparently even after death, would be painted with black hair.

@baraxor

7 ай бұрын

A lot of Italian paintings of unknown women of that period were sold to gullible collectors as portraits of the notorious Lucrezia. The only undoubtedly authentic likenesses of Lucrezia Borgia are from the two versions of the medal struck to celebrate her marriage to Alfonso d'Este, and these show Lucrezia's head in profile only. Although unproven and probably unprovable, the possible candidates for additional portraits of Lucrezia that seem to have the best opinion by historians and art experts are the Saint Catherine by Pinturicchio (fresco in the Borgia Apartments, seen at 10:00); the former Portrait of a Young Man by unknown, recently claimed by the National Gallery of Victoria to be a portrait of Lucrezia when she was Duchess of Ferrara, by Dossi (seen at 18:18); and the kneeling female figure in the central vignette of "The Feast of the Gods" by Bellini

@bluerabbit7683

7 ай бұрын

@@baraxor That was my thinking. The historian in me is so frustrated by things like this, but it makes complete sense that it would happen. I wish it weren't so common though. (Not just with Lucrezia, but with basically any historical figure.)

@gloriamontgomery6900

6 ай бұрын

I wonder if Lucrezia’s blonde locks were the result of a popular practice of the time? Blonde hair was fashionable and considered the height of beauty. Women would coat their hair with a paste containing potash, then wear a wide brimmed straw hat with the crown cut out. They pulled their hair through the cut out crown and spread it out on the brim of the hat and sat in the hot sun. The potash (basically lye) , combined with the heat of the sun, lightened the hair.