Max laying down the ground rules about discussion at the start, but also being the biggest deviator and rabbit hole explorer is hilarious :D

@Skocik911

Ай бұрын

My problem with this list is that half of these dungeons for the vast majority of an expansion sucked it took forever for them to be “fixed”

@Fr33mx

Ай бұрын

now imagine if he didn't have those rules, he'd be waay deeper into each and every one of those.

Holy crap man, I was listening to this before bed, and as I was falling asleep the video was kind of ending... but then the dratnos winning sound came in, and ill be awake for another 19 years.

@fronkacean

Ай бұрын

LMAO my bad man it's a little loud in hindsight

@BiIboSwaggins

Ай бұрын

@@fronkacean Well, I am still awake LMAO.

@fronkacean

Ай бұрын

@@BiIboSwaggins gm

This is a super cool concept with the checking if someone has the dungeon higher on the list and if not discussing it. More of this please!

Dratnos with the greatest quote lol. "they would kill me with hammers"

They would kill me with hammers Dratnos is such a beast with these takes

I cracked up laughing for a solid few minutes in my car after “they would kill me with hammers”

"They would kill me with hammers" is my new favourite Dratnos line 1:17:05

@someoneelse878

Ай бұрын

He's also right- DEATH TO SANGUINE DEPTHS

@HoGirth

Ай бұрын

Let me introduce you to my friend: Northern Lion

@quinnquinnquinn215

Ай бұрын

1:17:46 *

@GreyRL

Ай бұрын

@@quinnquinnquinn215 timestamping for myself as I enjoy the preamble, it really sends it home

@17:45 They *did* bring back Eye of Azshara M+ back in SL Before Season 4 which was the first "official" season with prior-expansion dungeons, Legion Timewalking had its own set of M+ dungeons with a special Infernal affix. Eye of Azshara was one of them, along with BRH/Court/DHT/Nelth's Lair/Vault

Every time I see these list I am reminded just how vast the difference is between people who pug and people who play premades. Because I have nothing but horrendous experiences with Underrot. Genuinely think across BFA and DF that it's the most bricked keys I've ever been in, even more so than Murozonds Rise.

@andrewglover1751

Ай бұрын

😢😅

@Mieli101

Ай бұрын

That's interesting to read your perspective on this. My experience pugging was Underrot was the most free key out there and was my least favorite for that reason.

@TotalRejection

Ай бұрын

underrot third boss on tyrannical = pug destroyer

@renanmoraes424

Ай бұрын

I always pugged and I always thought underrot was an easier key, would always be the loot key for me

What I think is funny is that the "open pathing" concept is either the greatest thing ever if you have a group you constantly run with but it is the worst thing ever in pugs. That is a take completely biased by group consistency.

@oliverlee8561

Ай бұрын

The best is when there are popular routes that are common and also choices for interesting strats.

@TheDeseat

Ай бұрын

Totally agree. It's the worst if you are used to doing the "pug route" and then out of nowhere the pug tank tries a different route and you just know it's gonna be a deplete

@samhope119

Ай бұрын

0:09 😊

Dorki's explanation of Atal Dazar last boss, hit too close to home. I cant count how many pugs would not listen to me telling them to stack just off boss

Agree on Maw of Shouls, it was one of my fav ever. Loved running it over and over.

@buddybarlow9604

Ай бұрын

only because its 20 mins

Dorki so funny calling the Echo HOV snapping "basic"

@fastydave

4 күн бұрын

Because it is

the best dungeons aren't painful to pug civilian keys for. freehold was excellent for that so it was very good. underrot was horrific for that so it was very bad.

Great listen, really enjoyed this from start to finish

51:58 I love Dratnos's response to Dorki. This is pure gold xD.

great content! please do another one with the worst m+, best raids, best bosses, etc etc!

Underrot with a PUG was totally different experience. Be it the trash pulls, or "body pulls" that should've been skipped, or the boss mechanics. A LOT of all these relied on Tanks to begin with but then also team work. The positioning on bosses were extremely important and also where to stack and where to face. It was always either one of the best and most fun runs, or the miserable with PUGs usually disbanding on Cragmaw. Here's a quick "small list" of group wide mechanics that could go either way. 1) Tank positioning Cragmaw and entire group needs to clear ticks + groups positioning as well 2) Tank positioning Sprecaller and once again rest of the group needs to clear mushrooms 3) EVERYONE had their own brilliant idea of how last boss worked where people deciding not to stack with tank, or tank not doing it right to begin with and then someone thinking it's BEST to stay near the wall without realizing the breath could (and DID) splash back off the wall.

@Erik_Arnqvist

29 күн бұрын

And this is why it’s high on my personal list too like it was a super chaotic pug key which I enjoy greatly

Growls take on Halls of Valor at 49:58 was SO needed. That dungeon sucks.

Imagone not knowing EoA was a M+ dungeon brought back in Legion Timewalking

i loved the tree boss as a bdk, i was doing 26 keys with out clearing him my team can just chill while im stressing but its the most fun because i actually had to think about my cooldowns and one fuck up i was dead but it was so fun, got the heart pumpin

Great video, v well edited fronk keep it up dude

I just wanted to bring something up. Vanilla Ice Cream is not bland, Vanilla is a flavour that I specifically seek out as an ice cream as when it's made with actual Vanilla pods, it's amazing.

gooning to this

Dratnos with some major memorable quotes here! Love it!

Dorky is becoming more and more that "I don't like it because you like it character" xD

A top 5/10 wishlist dungeons to get or return in m+ would also be cool

Atal Dzar always has a special place in my heart. In BFA I mostly Raided Mythic but when I did keys it was pugs and as one of the higher DPSers on server I feel like i carried so many pugs through that and having to 3 man Yaz was a common thing and strangely rewarding. I haven't heard people mention this ever really but Yaz on a high key in BFA as a ranged and having a Shadow Priest in group was unreal at times. Spiders growing and walking crossways though huge streams of shadow apparitions crossing through spiders all over the room for a mf eternity on Tyrannical is some twilight zone level shit and would have my head spinning at the end when rezzes go out. BFA Underrot isn't the sexy pick but the true #1. Protip - when you get bored as a dps just accidentally add another Wurm here and there :P

Thanks for this boys - great listen

13:50 if i could change m+ in any way i wanted, it wouldn’t be affixes or routing. It would be to just drop healthpools and make every dungeon sub 20:00’ or 25:00’ minutes. Short dungeons feel so much more rewarding and satisfying when you just CRUSH THEM

My favorite memories about Shrine of the storm is joining pugs on bolstering weeks just for pure entertainment and seeing which mobs will be made into 40 man raid bosses before people start noping out and disband.

Great video idea goodjob

The averagea timer for DF dungeons is currently 35.6 mins? Might be tough to beat with 30 average in TWW

Last season of m+ was goated imo. Gonna be hard to top that season in terms of the dungeon pool

Prime content. From a pug, no coms tank/healer: can't say I agree on all of it, but a lot of good info and viewpoints here.

I see, Kings' Rest won HANDEDLY right from the start! 👌👌

omg no the Other Side? It's such a complete dungeon

Absolutely wild 5 of the dungeons on this list come from BFA. I enjoying doing M+ the most in this expansion, the only issue for me was having to roll for corruption. Once you could buy it, it got even better. (I only played for the last 6-8 months of the expansion after a lot of QOL was added).

I DIED LAUGHING Waycrest Manure!

Dorki saying "fish stick" and dratnos chuckling like a damn teenager is big vibes

I think a big part of the issue of the Tree boss in Waycrest, considering the "meta" for the season was that you often just had to pray the roots would go on the augvoker, because the augvoker couldn't help nuke the roots fast enough to save people. xD I also think you almost need to bring in an "average pug champion" player for reference. Someone that perennially plays a non-meta dps spec and just about manages to hit KSM by the end of the season. It's only in DF that I've really stepped up and started pushing keys harder rather than just doing raids, and while I fully appreciated at the time how some of the pre-DF dungeons would play very differently in a properly coordinated group, pugging mid teen level keys trying to push to 15's to get KSM... man that is some of the worst PUG experiences you can get, and it totally skews perceptions of certain dungeons for sure! Like the bosses in Gambit being a good example: the dragon boss, you guys said something along the lines of how having a good or bad tank made a big difference, but in the 13-15 range it was more "did the tank even know they had to do mechanics", and don't even get me started on those 13-15 level final boss pug players not knowing how to do the lines through the orbs... xD

Banger vid as always.

Where’d you get that wallpaper? So sick

BIS trink in shrine for Sin…that dungeon grew on me and I loved it.

I did pugs in atal dazar and going right sucked ass. Left was still easier than right in a bug, yet everyone still went right

Putting Azure Vaults in the discussion is crazy to me.

7:31 At this moment, Growl and Dratnos became my favorites for the episode lol Also Fronk is god tier

Absolute banger of a video.

Theater of Pain has a special place in my heart ♥

I can't believe the global combat on the sanguine depths gauntlet wasn't mentioned.

Aren't the chains in nelth a damage amp now? They used to do damage like TD cannons.

How is Fall in your top 10, 3 months ago y'all put it barely in C tier, it has so many issues

@gruncleiroh5525

Ай бұрын

It has issues as a dungeon with role play, the map, m0 tuning, and other things but as a spammable key it's goated

@radicuris

Ай бұрын

​@@gruncleiroh5525i get that but with that many issues it shouldnt be eligible for top 10 ever. All it was good for is easy timed runs because you could wipe 46 times and still 2chest

@Ironloss

Ай бұрын

The list is based on personal preference. That’s his personal preference list lol

The seed clip is legendary

Fronk appreciation comment

Max making WoW lists is the content I live for. I just love lists.

Speaking about top 10 m+ dungeons, hope blizzard brings back awakened affix again some time its 100% the best and most fun affix they ever did.

Really great content and I don't do M+ any more.

Galakrond, and shrine of the storm is two of my "worst of all time" dungeons. Just goes to show how people like different things :D

"Here comes the forest"🤣 48:40

Great video! #TeamSargeras #TeamDetheroc Azure Vaults, SoS and Eye was/is too big/too long. I loved Waycrest Manor, lol!

Growl making me wish I could go back and play sanguine depths with a new mindset

The comparison to hirumareds list is missing sadly, that would have spiced this up by a ton

@samschulman3663

Ай бұрын

It was mentioned in some text near the beginning, they didn’t include it because they didn’t want to eat hirumared’s lunch, and instead direct people to his video. They’re being respectful

There is this one dungeon where u kill a professor who drinks like vials and after that you go through a part where you need to kill invisible spiders(?) fast enough while the boss tries unlocking a door? i know im a bit all over the place i just cant think of the name of the dungeon

@stynbeats

Ай бұрын

I found it! Plaguefall :)

Would be cool to see a list that's not all about the great push or mdi or high level keys and just about enjoyment or lore

Nobody had Iron Docks sheesh I loved that dungeon, I also thought very highly of Sanguine Depths. Pretty sure I had the most fun doing M+ overall in Shadowlands, I liked every dungeon a lot other than Plaguefall.

that wallpaper is insane, where do i find it

good edit.

Interesting that Halls of Atonement was only on two lists and so low. I feel like it we definitely see it in future seasons because it was so ironically Shadowlands and pug friendly

Atal’dazar as a pug only player would possibly be in my least favorite dungeon list. Entire dungeon was braindead and then pugs can’t do the last boss for shit 75% of the time. Such a fucking waste of time.

@ThePolarpop

Ай бұрын

Yeah but if they didnt absolutely ruin the last boss...coulda been a fun speed run pug dungeon

@carteks1

Ай бұрын

@@ThePolarpop could have, but, they did unfortunately.

What is that wallpaper at start?

maw of souls 1st blackrook hold 2nd freehrld 3rd for me! So fun.

Growl is based af. I have such fond memories healing SD that was an amazing dungeon.

Hot Shrine of the storm take: I loved that dungeon because on the last boss as a healer my damage actually mattered. (big fat debuff boost) Edit: Ah dratnos hit upon this point, i commented too fast :D

any ideas what stonefacetv addons where, love the textures and the font of spells, even details barrs look clean O.o (lower kara discussion part)

@Realradya

Ай бұрын

I believe you have to be subbed to his twitch but if you are - his whole set up (or at least it was) is available on his discord.

I agree with them that Underrot coming back took some poinst off for me but only because I have the worlds worst RNG and I was stuck in Underrot prison for a good 3 weeks where I only ran Underrot keys trying to get the damn fist weapon to drop for my DH

ML will always have a special place in my heart of all the wow dungeons, it was my first timed +20

What’s the name of Maximum’s Plater Profile?

I feel like they nailed it with Gambit and Sanguine being the best 2 (motherlode uhhh yeah i disagree there) Both incredible, gambit is my 1 but sanguine depths is definitely top 3 for me, that place was fucking sick. Most interesting bosses, the theme was sick, and the gauntlet felt really good honestly.

@Lionelhutz-attorney-at-law

Ай бұрын

Nah Motherlode is great. I think on teeming weeks it sucked for people the most.

Growl fuckin BASEDDDDDDDD. Sanguine Depths OWNS

Eye of azshara will always be tainted because thats also when they gave hunters barrage, and thats the first dungeon where every one of them got to learn how to use it properly. but great dungeon

I love that dorki thinks non MDI players just get confused when the dungeon isnt linear and run around like headless chickens into a wall in the starting room ahaa. Guy needs to pug a little hes got it too easy

@Sadistichippo

Ай бұрын

Honestly though, that’s an accurate description of so many of the pugs I’ve been in.

i get 2-3 hours, 5 nights a week to play. if they went down 5 minutes on their dungeon times, id be tickled. thats one more dungeon i get to clear every day

The stupid kid bit was so fucking funny

100% agree with Growl's number 1

Algethar and Freehold definitely had the most fun pulls, coming from a player who doesnt go past 20

I agree with a lot of these, but I think my list would be very heavily SL s4 biased. That entire season was just an absolute banger. The only dungeon I actually hated was upper kara. Workshop could get a bit rough, but the rest were fantastic. The biggest disagreement I have with any of these lists is sanguine depths. The second boss just farms pugs, so I never got my portal for that dungeon.

Growl's top ten is the best simply because SD is #1. Also, I am totally disgusted that NOBODY mentioned Plaguefall. I know it gets a lotta flack for the MDI BS that happened, but holy shit that dungeon is amazing.

Maw of Souls, let's go!

now please a list with top 10 worse dungeon so hopefully blizzard knows what to not do again in the future

Ragefire Casm. No joke it’s probably my favorite dungeon in totality.

i feel like i'm smoking balls for loving junkyard so much. i loved the last season of BFA, and maybe it's the robots that people hated, but i think junkyard was so good

Algethar Academy is hands down the best dungeon Blizz have ever created. Mass AoE, no egregious mobs, great designs bosses (tree boss one of the best ever). 5% star buff at the start. What’s not to love? 😎

best dungeon was seat of the triumvirate in legion m+ invitational was just hilarious with the amount of wipes

Surprised Mechagon dungeons didn't get mentioned. I guess having Junkyard bots carrying the dungeon wasn't great.

Just here to shout out to Max that I have Shrine of the Storm in my top 5

Halls of Atonement on top, hopefully we have it back in TWW.

lower kara was so bad that it almost made me quit the game

Dratnos is such a troll lmao omg

Honestly i aside from algethar academy i like everyones dungeons. for me the dungeon is fun and the only way for me to say its actually good is if i turn off all sound and only have dbm yelling at me. god does that dungeon annoy the heck out of me lol

HoA is the only one i don't agree with. As a healer it was increadibly boring. I think most like it just because of how easy it was.