Nice to remember Barriemore Barlow. For me his best playing is in Minstrel In The Gallery, in fact is my Tull's favorite. Title track, Cold Wind to Valhalla, Black Satin Dancer and Baker Street Muse are standout tracks.

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

Жыл бұрын

Barriemore Barlow is an astonishing drummer. Underated...

@CasperLCat

5 ай бұрын

Yes ! Barlow, and Martin Barre as well, are first rate rock players, not just backing for Ian A. Cold Wind is an awesome Tull track. And the electric part of the Minstrel title track, with that incredibly badass MB guitar riff and power chords, is up there with Locomotive Breath, IMO. Don’t know why SFTW and Minstrel aren’t more acclaimed by critics and Tull fans.

Very exciting topic I recently watched the Carl Palmer solo on the Pictures at an exhibition DVD 1971 Absolutely frightening !! I also put Pierre Van der Linden from Focus among the great prog drummers

Hats off for having Barrimore Barlow on this list. He must be the most underrated drummer of all times. Love his work on A Passion Play. An honorable mention Jon Hiseman.

@mixaliskokkinos1496

Жыл бұрын

In Aqualong writes about:"drums and a million percussions"..'

My all-time favourite prog drummer and, in fact, my favourite drummer of all time, bar none, is Chester Thompson. His work with Zappa alone is enough for me to put him at the top (let alone his touring work with Genesis). Just listen to what he does on Zappa's album One Size Fits All, particularly on Inca Roads and Andy. Flashes of pure genius there! And he's so relaxed and natural! LOVE Chester Thompson!!!

Bill Bruford... absolutely without a doubt! Yes, "UK" was a perfect album to exemplify the application of Bruford's musicianship behind the drums. He's the only drummer in rock that I know of to repeatedly reinvent himself, come up with some new stylistic innovation and sound unmistakably like himself every time. Over years of listening you begin to hear "Brufordisms"; little patterns that creep up in his rhythmic extensions and that often display an intelligent sense of humor; and the groove. Bill is one of the only prog drummers I know who actually works a groove; simple kick, hi--hat and snare but the deepest pocket, a pocket you can feel and a pocket that gives the song... I don't know how to describe it... a certain deep legitimacy not found in flourishes and complexity but almost like "here's the pocket... in case you didn't know... and don't forget it". Perfect example: Asbury Park from the KC live album "USA". Many of Bruford's grooves are straight up funk, without the smell :-) They could easily transfer to a tight neo-soul or modern R&B song. Bruford is one of the only rock drummers who knows how to seriously work "4 on the floor", eighths on the hi-hat, 2 and 4 on the snare and all quarters on the kick; a pattern so static yet so tight that it elevates the song with such a strong foundation. He did this quite effectively on One of a Kind, Gradually Going Tornado and on KC's Discipline and Beat. Definitely most influential for me, as a drummer, just ahead of Phil Collins, Neil Peart and Allan White.

@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266

5 ай бұрын

Bruford has the drumming sound of a neo-soul jazz-rap beatmaker imo, but of course with the virtuoso chops thrown here and there ala fusion. That's why he was the perfect fit for Fripp: both are virtuoso performers/composers that love to create loops and drones and also imbued them with the jazz and world music sensibility.

"One Of A Kind" was an album that just blew me away in the '70s. Thanks for the presentation Andy!

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for listening

I'm glad he picked Alan White. For me the following drummers are worth mentioning: Marco Minnemann, Michael Giles, Robert Wyatt, Jaki Liebezeit, Guy Evans.

That’s a GREAT list. Very well thought out Andy. 👍🏻🥁

This was a really great list. I seriously came into this episode ready to be disappointed but you got my top 3 spot on. Great work mate!

Great list Andy. Really pleased to see Pierre Moerlen getting mentioned. 👍🥁

Perfect top 10 ..Bozzio-Bruford! Someone I wish had done more was Mark Craney, such an incredible drummer.

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

2 жыл бұрын

Yes he was fantastic...very fusiony though

@jamestejada3673

2 жыл бұрын

Still a great drummer.

@jamestejada3673

2 жыл бұрын

Andy I wish Tull h retained his services after A.

Nice video. You're output has been quite consistent.....keep up the fine work!

To this day, after 40 plus years of hearing it, I still stand in awe of Bruford's playing on Roundabout. Plenty other tracks he has played on are awe inspiring, sure, but his playing on that track in particular is beyond perfect. Hors catégorie, as they say en France.

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

Жыл бұрын

It just grooves so hard. And in a way no else ever had before

Fantastic and a honest list! Also I would give a honor mentions if you dont mind.. Christian Vander (Magma) Franz Di Cioccio (Premiata Forneria Marconi) Giulio Capiozzo (Area) Jon Hiseman (Colosseum, Tempest) Nick D Virgilio (Spock's Beard) Sean Reinert (Cynic, Gordian Knot) Thanks for this amazing top list

@tomtrana3449

Жыл бұрын

Good choices!

Bill Bruford propelled my two favorite bands.

Just subscribed. Great list Andy. I saw Phil Collins with Brand X at the Marquee in the long hot summer of '76. I was 19. amazing drummer and musician.

@garyhitchcock3828

Жыл бұрын

Great Band of musicians (Brand X) Percy Jones my favorite electric bassist.

Bruford persuaded me to put down the guitar and pick up the sticks. I learned the importance of empty space in composition. He can blow your mind playing slow.

@avantprog6902

2 жыл бұрын

@@klutz3213 exactly!

Barlow's playing on "Bursting Out"!

Andy Ward so underrated

@wayneblanchard97

Жыл бұрын

Yes, fabulous with Camel though never struck me as a strong or defining player, despite me loving both the band and his playing. He had a light touch and flowing feel that, IMO, worked particutlarly well when Richard Sinclair was in the lineup. That said, Simon Phillips really kicked things up on 'Sasquatch'...and he is another player who would certainly have dominated this list were he to have done more proggy things.

Brilliant as usual

Very cool ranking episode Andy. Obviously Bruford will be on this list but I am waiting to hear of your more less known drummers ... possibly Guy Evans of VDGG? Regards, Sal.

@joegrinvalsky7222

2 жыл бұрын

I think Guy Evans and Jaki Liebezeit deserved to be on this list over some of the others mentioned.,,

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

2 жыл бұрын

You don't have to take my opinion...here is another list...and look who is at number 13 (he said boastfully) www.udiscovermusic.com/stories/greatest-prog-drummers/

@sdrandazzo

2 жыл бұрын

@@AndyEdwardsDrummer I respect you list because of your great drumming experience. I am lol bias as a prog music fan of VDGG. Please forgive me lol. You should imho (non-musician) also be on the top 10 prog drummers list. Best regards, Sal.

Great list. Perhaps unsurprisingly, I couldn’t agree more with your number 1 😊. Good to see shout out to Barlow and Moerlen. One of my favorite drum entrances ever is on Gong’s “The Isle of Everywhere”, about a minute in. Love that riff. Collins’ 70’s stuff is pretty much all great. Always loved his playing on “Selling England…”. Gavin Harrison has been one of my favorites for the last decade or so. There are a number of Crimson videos out there with Harrison in the drumming front line. Very cool to be able to see him play as well as hear him.

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

2 жыл бұрын

Yes...I'm pleased with this list....

great list, thanks

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

I am on the edge of my seat here!.....Drum Special. The UK album caught my eye. Brilliant!

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

2 жыл бұрын

I plan to do top ten prog bass, guitar and keys this month too.

I've seen most of these great drummers live and think you nailed it! - #1 BILL!

I would add John Weathers from Gentle Giant, he's an amazing player. I was hoping Bill would be number one. He's been a huge influence on my playing along with John Bonham and Bill Ward.

I know some very serious drummer-friends who'd sell a body part to play like Vinnie Colaiuta. Frank Zappa was auditioning Colaiuta *WITH* Terry Bozzio in attendence. Frank stated, "Play something," where Vinnie played something by Frank, perfectly. He then handed Vinnie some written music (with no backing track) and told Vinnie to read his sheet music. Vinnie nailed it (he can read sheet music). - Terry Bozzio tossed the sheet music in the air in front of Frank and said, "He's your man."

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

2 жыл бұрын

That story is nearly true

@JamminClemmons

2 жыл бұрын

@@AndyEdwardsDrummer - Yes sir....absolutely.

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

2 жыл бұрын

@@JamminClemmons I know the story, it's not quite accurate.

Great video

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Glad to see Portnoy on here. For me, as a layman, his playing has a fantastic energy and musicality.

I was glad to see you mention Barriemore Barlow . I remember reading an interview with John Bonham in which they were discussing all of the great English rock drummers in the 70s . The interviewer asked Bonham which one that he thought was the best , and he answered , Jethro Tull’s drummer , Barriemore Barlow . You mentioned his free flowing style . Ian Anderson said that when Barriemore came into the band , he started to write songs that would take advantage of that free flowing style . My top 5 favourite drummers to listen to would be : Carl Palmer Bill Bruford Phil Collins Neil Peart Barriemore Barlow Cheers !

I agree with the choices not necessarily the order. Well done.

We could add honorable mentions all day long, but I really like what Pat Mastelotto has brought to KC.

GREAT List! No arguments from me!

Fully agree with your list. I'm really a big fan of Pierre Moerlen's drumming, bought almost any available LP of PM Gong after I heard Gazeuse (also thanks to AH!). Obviously all drummers in the list are each one fantastic. Seen Gavin Harrison with Pineapple Thief and I was at the concert primarily for him ... such a tasteful drumming! And this year coming back to see him with Porcupine Tree. Terry Bozzio and Bill Bruford with UK ... what a choice! I remember when I was teaching math to some students (I'm not a real teacher, only gaining some money) and let them listen to Carrying No Cross ... they still remember 30 years later this and the discovery of Prog thanks to Terry Bozzio drumming (maybe you can replay this like you done with YYZ of Neil Peart!). Thanks for your video! BTW, also if you are not counting yourself in the top ten, you were absolutely fantastic on Frost first 2 Cds and IQ Frequency, such a spectacular drumming in Experiments in Mass Appeal!

What a great leftfield Carl Palmer track pick , The Sherriff , but I get it , sort of earlier linear playing and very funky as is Living Sin off Trilogy , sometimes wished he done more of that style , but the hyper kinetic Brain Salad and Tarkus are his best known. great list , love Barlow getting in there and Moerlen . I do miss the more top kit playing these days ( toms / snare) which seems to have got lost in double kick mayhem !

@garygomesvedicastrology

Жыл бұрын

Another great top kit player was Brian Davison, especially in the latter days of the Nice on things like Rondo 69, Country Pie, what little recorded work there is with Gong and Refugee-A tremendous player with incredible cymbal and top kit coordination.

@kratino

7 күн бұрын

And The Sheriff is the one in which he makes a mistake and says "shit" and they keep it in.

Nice to see Pierre get some recognition. I saw him on the Shamal tour, and it was a fab show. And Bill is #1, obvs. I saw his band support Brand X, then saw Allan playing in the next bar at Leeds Uni. A good night!

I am not a drummer, just a serious prog rock fan since the ‘70s, and I could not agree more with your top 3, in that order. My personal favorite bit of drumming from your top 3 is Bruford’s playing on Yes’ Starship Trooper- especially on the “speak to me of summer” sections. Brilliant and one-of-a-kind.

I get why he was excluded, but I would have loved to see John Weathers on this list. He is so damn good. I think he might be the grooviest prog drummer.

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

2 жыл бұрын

He was on the list until I decided to put Bozzio on. I love JW and his choice to go for simplicity inside GG's complexity is pure genius. And he can really groove. But Bozzio played The Black Page which is possibly the most proggiest drumming ever recorded and set a standard in the drum world

@elecrocity

2 жыл бұрын

@@AndyEdwardsDrummer Fair enough. Would have been fun if you put Weathers on instead of Palmer. You could have a tradition of skipping ELP.

@garygomesvedicastrology

Жыл бұрын

I would have liked to have seen Brian Davison of the Nice and Refugee, Guy Evans.

@uubuuh

Жыл бұрын

I've been learning about him from the excellent GG at Golders Green show... groovy indeed, and locked in w Ray as it is the Right Way to do it...

good list, I would have Guy Evans from VDGG instead of Collins or Palmer. Very underrated.

Great to see two fellow brummies in your list: Carl palmer and Barriemore barlow. John Bonham said that Bariemore barlow was the best british drummer. Excellent video as always Andy.

Funny, I have an interview with Bozzio, well I have a few actually, but in one of them, he sad about him being labeled a prog drummer, " I have been associated with musicians, and a style of music with whom I have absolutely no inclinations or desires to be associate with " he said that it probably came from him playing for Zappa of course. But he wasn't crazy about that style of music, so as Bruford, the man always considered himself a jazz drummer, which is the case for 95% of the first generation of prog drummers. These videos are great by the way.

Strong list. Prog rock is music of so many talented and musically gifted virtuosos. Hard to say who's better than other. Nevertheless, I feel I have to mention my loved drummer, so underrated, but so important for prog music. Guy Evans from VDGG - his play is different, because this band is different - no solos, not so many instrumental parts, but a lot of music, brilliant compositions and moods painted with instruments. Genius drummer of ingenious band.

@garygomesvedicastrology

Жыл бұрын

Guy is unique! I can remember one review that criticized his drumming-just made me more interested in him. He and Chris Cutler were like the equivalent of Milford Graves of rock drumming.

Great list, personnally I would have added Christian Vander, but your list is fine anyway..

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

2 жыл бұрын

Nearly made the list as did Jaki L from Can

@frankfertier34

Жыл бұрын

Vander will turn 75 in three days: always pushing his drumming further: a complete beast: composer, pianist, singer, top drummer: I never attended such brutal and fierce complex playing. Currently on tour.

Barriemore Barlow is the Michael Giles of Jethro Tull.

Love you dude

I would add as an honorable mention; Kevin Ellman from Todd Rundgren's Utopia. He influenced me greatly, and Neil Peart stated that Kevin's use of concert toms left an impression on him.

Both Ian Mosley and Gavin Harrison appeared on Songs From Renaissance Days by Renaissance and then Jordan Rudess was on the album Blessings In Disguise by Annie Haslam's Renaissance. The number of people that have been involved with both Curved Air and Renaissance is incredible. Ebay has the late Florian Pilkington-Miksa (Curved Air) set for sale 😑🥁🙂🤟👍

@sheldonwheaton881

Жыл бұрын

Renaissance is a fantastic band!

wanted to mention terry bozzio with alex machacek I don' think you have talked about alex machacek or the fabulous austrian trio (FAT), his solo records sound like zappa with holdsworth solos, I'm sure you know played with eddie jobson in ukz (uk+zinc) and the uk reunion tours, which makes him a prog and a fusion musician ukz released an ep in 2009 with alex machacek titled radiation he also played on 2 live uk records titled "Reunion - Live in Tokyo" and "Curtain Call"

Only been listening to you for a couple of weeks. Man, you do go on, and it's hard to know when you are being straight and when it is tongue in cheek. But, entertaining it is and your comments on Awaken. Agree and I would join Patrion or whatever if you had one! BTW, all my LPs were nicked. Could you do a vid on prog album covers, inside covers, sleeves w lyrics. Ta mate!

Pip Pyle? So glad to see Pierre Moerlen in there. A quality player. PM's Gong are phenomenally underrated.

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

2 жыл бұрын

I have done a video on those albums

@mauricegallagher9170

2 жыл бұрын

@@AndyEdwardsDrummer I'll check that out. Thanks

@garygomesvedicastrology

Жыл бұрын

Pip was a phenomenal drummer who was constantly evolving.

@mauricegallagher9170

Жыл бұрын

@@garygomesvedicastrology Not Prog, imho. More jazz/rock/fusion

@garygomesvedicastrology

Жыл бұрын

@@mauricegallagher9170 Difference? In your opinion? I tend to think the only distinction is that fusion drummers have more improvisational freedom. At a certain point (maybe 1971) prog became more composed. Lots of great prog drummers do improvisation (like Carl Palmer, for instance). Just my take. Yes and Genesis in particular moved from improvisation while ELP maintained it. And pretty much all music is fusion music. I am just curious about how idioms that at one point seemed very close to my ears got separated and specialized.

When I cross myself, I say "Emerson, Lake and Palmer"!!!!

@edljnehan2811

Жыл бұрын

Awesome idea. I'm going to start doing that immediately. After all Emerson and Palmer especially are God on their instruments. Thank you

Pierre Moerlen is very close to my favourite drummer of any style, along with Bruford and Pierre van der Linden from Focus. More great prog drummers ... Chester Thompson, Pip Pyle, Michael Giles, Ian Wallace, Simon Phillips, Chad Wackerman, Rod Morgenstein.

I heard a little story about the black page, apparently it was a drum solo written out and there were so many black dots on the page, that's how it basically looked like the whole page was black The live version on make a jazz noise here is with chad wackerman and ed mann

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

2 жыл бұрын

Sort of...Zappa heard a musician describe a chart as The Black Page and decided to write a tune to fit that title.

As a young dumb high school kid I thought Carl Palmer was the best because his chops were so fast. When you’re young you think that’s most important. But now, as a card carrying old fart, I look back on the triple live album-Aquatarkus in particular-I’ve never heard such a moving rhythm that mesmerizes your brain.

I would agree, it has to be Bill Bruford, and the reason I would state is that he made such a name as a drummer in Yes, in mybteens i could see that what i was listening to on Fragile and Close to The Edge was very special, then he joins King Crimson and Fripp says: "forget everything you did with Yes, i do not want that repeated" and do hevhad to find a completely new style, and he does it. Add to that U. K. , Bruford and Earthworks , the man is sn absolute legend, definitely my favourite drummer of all time.

Great list! I definitely owe Danny Carey of Tool for leading me to most of the drummers on here.

1. bill bruford 2. mike portnoy 3. sean reinert 4. alan white 5. marco minnemann 6. vinnie colaiuta 7. chad wackerman 8. terry bozzio 9. john weathers 10. neil peart

Great list...Now do jazz fusion drummers please.

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

2 жыл бұрын

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Chris Cutler and Dave Kerman would be in my list.

I would easily watch, and love, an entire clip only about Phil Collins. I too, am constantly trying to steer people towards his drumming. It has been marginalized in his own CV. He is IMo one of the most picturesque drummers. I can see his drumming; it's so fluid, so melodic. With Genesis he was insane! The way he approached ballads, or softer passages in the music is unheard of. I always try to get drummers to do that. "Just because it's a ballad, doesn't mean you have to lay low". Take just one of their hits "Carpet Crawlers" - it goes against a regular drummer's grain, what he does. He also seemed to love to hit punches, or accents in a 9 count over a 4/8 pattern. His sound, with the flat toms is great. He is one of the very few drummers, who deserves a huge drum kit; he makes good use of it all. Very economic in his movements. It's deceptive, because there isn;'t much flailing of the arms, and nonsense. It always moves too. "the Waiting Room" on live recordings might5 be some of his best work. Abstract, and experimental, never the same twice, but so fluid. I still wish somehow, that he had not taken over as singer. His songwriting was reactionary, not pro-active, but that's a totally different topic. Sorry, to ramble so much. Collins - great drummer.

Hard to argue with that list

Great list. But. Christian Vander. I think he’s the best ever. Just one album: Magma Live 1975. He’s possessed. A beast. He can be subtle too. He has it all.

Two drummers in my top ten that weren't mentioned yet are Bobby Jarzombek and Mark Zonder.

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

2 жыл бұрын

And I never will.....

Yeah, that first UK album with holdsworth and bruford is probably in my top three of all time

Great list, Perfectly reasoned, great top 3 and Bruford has to be no1, so versatile, so experimental and can rock! Noice

Great list Andy! But very surprised that, Jon Hiseman wasn’t in your top ten, he is definitely in my top 5 list of prog drummers.

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

2 жыл бұрын

More of a british fusion drummer for me. Even Colloseum I is more fusion than prog...bit like putting Simon Phillips on the list...but Simon is in the background if you look hard

@johnhenfrey5936

2 жыл бұрын

@@AndyEdwardsDrummer played a bit of blues based stuff, Jack Bruce’s, Rope Ladder to the Moon been one song. The stuff he did with Tempest was mainly rock music, a case of a drummer with a foot in both camps?

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnhenfrey5936 Yes, he was an unsung pioneer of fusing jazz with rock forms

@lornestein7248

2 жыл бұрын

@@AndyEdwardsDrummer I was thinking 'bout Simon.. Thanks for explaining.

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

2 жыл бұрын

@@lornestein7248 Thinking about it now...JH's drumming on Variations is also very proggy.

Anders Jordan of Opeth is a great modern progressive drummer. His work on Morningrise alone is a clinic.

Oh little question here, is it possible to get that UK live album re-edited on CD? I try to find it but I can't. I had it on vinyl decades ago, but loan it to a friend, and of course it never came back. So if someone can give me some infos on that, I would appreciate it a lot thanks.

I remember going to a gig with Curved Air and Druid, one drummer joined Gary Numan and went number one, the other joined The Police and went to number one🙂 not bad albums the two Druid discs, I've been enjoying watching these rundown, although it is a little disconcerting listen to a drummer struggle to count from 10 to 1😁

@michaelmarino3013

Жыл бұрын

I seen curved air 1971..

@hughjarrse

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelmarino3013 you caught them very early, they started in 1970 🙂

@michaelmarino3013

Жыл бұрын

@@hughjarrse they were an opening act at the FILLMORE EAST NYC. Maybe ELP was the headliner.memory very faded.

Terry Bozzio's audition was in playing "The Black Page." When he was done, Frank looked at him and said, "Bozzio, you're a fucking GENIUS."

Bill Bruford #1 of course..He found his way and fit magnificantly in almost evry major prog band that ever was.. Glad you included Barriemore Barlow-Oh Yeah-Songs from the Wood-Listen to Hunting Girl. I believe , whoever mentioned Vinnie Colaiuta-played with Zappa-Great all around drummer-One of the best.

@vmacart

Жыл бұрын

chad wackerman too!

I like after You mentioned the album red I think of that iconic trash cymbal sound and then you hit the cymbal by accident a little subliminal nod 👍

In the chapters, all of the drummers' names are listed, but for Carl Palmer, ELP is listed.

Hello Andy, I've checked out many of your videos, most of them are insightly and inspiring, especially the video about King Crimson and Gurdjieff. But I'm curious why you did not mention Su Ra, which I think it's one of the most influential bands in the '60s, and his space occultism really sparked my curiosity. So can you do some video to talk about Su Ra, I think you're the best man I knew to do that. Thanks very much.

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

2 жыл бұрын

I'm a fan of Sun Ra...and especially John Gilmore...

I think Michael Giles deserves an honorable mention. He was really the daddy of prog rock drummers. I had a chance to see him up close n 1969 with King Crimson. Believe me, he was the real deal. His playing was incredibly detailed and precise. He incorporated double bass drums, had fantastic taste, great use of dynamics, had a deep understanding of jazz independence, Prog drumming starts here. Too bad his career seems to have been derailed by an early departure from KC. Other thoughts. Any list of great prog drummers needs at least a nod to Christian Vander. Carl Palmer was one of the few drummers who has Buddy Rich-like chops, but tends to overplay in my opinion. Pierre Moerlin is a very overlooked player. Gavin Harrison is my favorite out there right now.

@johnyarusso4953

Жыл бұрын

I completely agree with you about Michael Giles. His drummer was musical and magical but unfortunately very few people know of him. And Gavin is also my favorite current drummer.

To some degree it's pretty likely that personal favorites will be looked at differently than other players when it comes to putting out a ranking list. Obviously all the guys on this list are excellent drummers. Some changed the landscape or moved the bar more than others. Bruford compared to White is kind of an easy example. If staying under a prog umbrella during its most significant growth period is the aim, it does seem like Wyatt, Vander, Liebezeit, Cutler, Evans, Van der Linden, Pyle and a few others could be acknowledged.

Barrymore Barlow! One of my favorites! John Bonham said he was the best drummer in rock music... and I would agree.

I think Phil Ehart (Kansas) and Christian Vander (Magma) should have made the list, but I agree all of your picks are amazing, and I especially agree about the top 3 spots: Collins is a unique voice in drumming, it's such a shame his HUGE solo career kinda washed away all his drumming contributions. And, yeah, the versatility of Bruford and all his works across the prog and fusion genres definitely make him the ultimate prog drummer.

Agree with you that Awaken is the greatest prog piece of all time. As someone who was raised on classical and film scoring, I find the thematic development and the majestic melodies & arrangements in Awaken are closest to a rock interpretation of a classical or romantic era suite (think French symphonies and requiems of the 1800s).

Brufor UK ok, but in your second solo album-One Of A Kind- he was brilhant and songwriter too, with YES and Crimson especially in 80's when he was very inovated in tecnicall and timbre aspects.

Now yer bloody talking! I wonder where I will rank!

Great video, I remembered watching you with Frost opening set for Dream Theatre at Southampton Guild Hall (a great show indeed despite the crap acoustics there. Loved your drumming style shame your not in the band now

Great Drummers all of them. Im glad you mentioned Pierre Moerlen and Barriemore Barlow But can you exsplain why. Drummers like Virgil Donati. Marco Minneman and Baard Kolstad is not included?

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

Жыл бұрын

Pierre Moerlon played on the Flying Teapot Trilogy, Barriemore of Songs For The Wood. None of those drummers have done anything near that level in terms of prog history

@rolfjamne8922

Жыл бұрын

@@AndyEdwardsDrummer The prog history goes further than United Kingdom. Im just trying to follow your logic. If the prog history is the same as commersial sucsess on the 70s Nick Mason should be on top off the list.

Please also sometime pick a list about 'Body Drummers' like Lee Kerslake

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

Жыл бұрын

I looked up the term 'Body Drummers' think you made it up....

Christian Vander of Magma?

I was wondering if you were going to mention Carl Palmer!😀 On another note, is Nick Mason highly regarded among prog drum aficionados? I never seem to see him mentioned on these rankings, in fact come to think of it he rarely seems to be mentioned much at all in prog circles.

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

2 жыл бұрын

Nick actually has a beautiful touch on the drums. He is not as technical as the other guys though which is why he doesn't get mentioned perhaps

@devereauxclandestine1272

2 жыл бұрын

@@AndyEdwardsDrummer Now that I think about it neither Waters or Wright are usually mentioned much as favorites on their respective instruments. Gilmour comes up quite often in favorite guitarist lists but he isn't really a 'technique guy' either. It's odd that in a genre where musicians are feted for their technical command of their instruments that probably the biggest band in prog doesn't score highly on that count. No disrespect to the Floyd, they are all fine players and I've never found their music 'lacking' in that respect. I do wonder though if their popularity was enhanced by their more straightforward approach, relying on compositional strength ( and the strong hooks you talked about in your recent video ) rather than instrumental pyrotechnics? That's one of the things I like about your videos Andy, they always spark off diverse trains of thought!

I've been re-listening to Phil Collins on the "Genesis Live 1973" album and what a great drummer he was. His influences are there but already quite accomplished and so tight for a young man. The best Prog drummers have to have the biggest ears because of what the genre demands. The competition in the 70's was fierce. Cheers.

Isn't every list subjective Andy?it is after all,the meaning and preforance of that person.Shouldn't every great drummer cappable of being a progdrummer?I think Stewart Copeland would be a great progdrummer.What's you're opinion on that?Nice tot see your love for UK !! Phil Collins would probably be my nr 1.I also have a soft spot,allthough maybe not so technical,for Andy Ward.

VANDER IS A BEAST

That Is a fucking good list. Anyway, i'm gonna say something controversial but FOR ME the greatest Alan White drumming is on the track Into the lens from Drama.

UK! DANGER MONEY!

Just came over from your Best Drummer video and after I heard that segment, I am astounded the you have Neal Peart at #2 prog drummer. You said in that video Neal was great for Rush but not one of the greatest drummers. But we are splitting hairs. Bruford is such a jazzy prog drummer I almost can't argue with making him Numero Uno. But I do. Beyond a doubt the #1 Best Prog Drummer is PHIL COLLINS. For innovation, versatility, a sense of swing, tasteful application of technique, skill in navigating changes, mood creation, dynamics, thoughtful integration with the music itself, there is no one close. Apocalypse in 9/8 alone is beyond amazing in invoking Stravinsky yet completely in control. His feel on The Lamb is sublime.

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

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They are both incredible drummers and I agree Phil could be number 1. For me Bill has an even more signature sound, incredible technique and has played in such a wide variety of settings including Genesis (which I think he sounded amazing in) But in the end we are splitting hairs and these lists mean nothing and are only there because they make people watch and give me an excuse to talk about musicians I love, If you don't beleive me watch my biscuit video thena ask yourself what my real opinion of these lists is.

@KalOrtPor

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I cut Phil some slack for achieving his accolades against a crop of individuals for who it was essentially all drumming, all the time. I think he deserves some kind of special waiver for being such an inventive and highly regarded drummer on top of all the other things he did. He'd be considered a pop legend on his own if one were to pretend he never picked up a stick. He's in elite air joining Paul McCartney and Michael Jackson as the only people to sell 100M albums in a band and also as solo artists. And he's an Oscar winner from doing the Tarzan soundtrack! I suppose that doesn't, and shouldn't, count for much when it comes to ranking in terms of drumming, but it's something worth keeping in perspective. Phil was on top of the world in the mid-80s with the Live Aid Concorde spectacle, the 4 sold out Genesis concerts at Wembley, Miami Vice, and the monster known as gated reverb which spread throughout music like a virus. If any other drummer was to be compared in that way, there'd be nothing to compare! Yet in spite of all that outside of drums, Phil still makes the discussion on who might be #1! You almost have to wonder where he'd reach if he had done nothing but drums all those years instead. As it stands, most of the drumming he's celebrated for was in the 70s. After around 1980 or so as he was gearing up for solo work, he didn't actively strive to stay at the top of his drumming game, not that he had anywhere near enough time and focus anymore. Indeed, I remember an interview where he said he got a kick out of not playing fills where people used to hear them, and playing more simplified. Still great even then though....But as for prog drummers, I can understand Bruford getting the nod (at least based on Andy's mood that week :P).

LOVE YOU PHIL!😀

Pat Mastelotto would have been a worthy choice, as would Manu Katche' and Jerry Marotta. Just my tuppence.

Did you forget John Weathers?

Phil Collins is like a latter day Nat Cole? After a point, Nat said people didn't want to hear him play piano!

This was Big Fun (but not Miles). Not sure, however, that I agree with Neil Peart’s lack of diversity. There are plenty of KZread vids of him swinging like crazy with the Buddy Rich Big Band, etc.

I hate when people say you cannot rank musicians. That is simply false. Drummers can easily be ranked. Ability to keep time. Body of work. Live shows. Influence on other drummers. How is any of that subjective?

@AndyEdwardsDrummer

2 жыл бұрын

It isn't entirely subjective or objective. I have dealt with this at length elsewhere

@jraelien5798

2 жыл бұрын

@@AndyEdwardsDrummer Why would it matter if it is ENTIRELY either or? That seems a bridge too far. Clearly, it is objectively true that some drummers are spot on with time. Others, though talented and impressive, less so. What is subjective here? Clearly, it is objectively true that playing physically grueling parts with high tempo fills is more difficult than merely locking in a groove and staying there. Clearly, playing at the top of the drumming heap for 40 years, with thousands of exemplary live shows is a greater accomplishment than 10 years of the same. Again, nothing subjective here. Just statistics.

Phil's best drumming is in Brand X.

no robert wyatt? no chris cutler? no bill brzinsky? no aynsley dunbar? they are the ones i know.

@edljnehan2811

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I definitely agree with you about Aynsley Dunbar. His drumming in early Journey was up there with Carl Palmer. I seen the old Journey open up for ELP in 1975. It was great seeing two of the greatest progressive rock drummers one after the other.