Well said. 🙏🏾❤️

@mattiesavannahpahl9934

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much Khary. Means the absolute world that you watched. Thanks for being such a central part to this video without knowing it 💜

@setadrft

Жыл бұрын

👑

@sergiosamuelsuazomota9460

Жыл бұрын

It's Cyborg!!!!!!!

@disneyboy3030

Жыл бұрын

Wait.... your the voice of Cyborg.

@gravity119

Жыл бұрын

You’re a legend! Thank you so much for being involved with the community after all these years!

"Teen Titans go is just us getting drunk and thinking about that show" Yeah... That makes a whole lot of sense...

@ericlammers3492

4 ай бұрын

I remember watching go a few times when it first aired on 📺 😊

I kind of wish we got a sixth season just so starfire could have had her own season. It always felt strange to me that all of them got their own season, even Terra, except Starfire.

@michaelfireheart8300

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, definitely not fair to Starfire, that they decided to end on another episode about the same traitor who chose Slade over them, instead of giving her a season to develop her character.

@bunsmasterbunny

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelfireheart8300 You are mean to Terra. She is a good person who made mistakes and learned from them.

@michaelfireheart8300

Жыл бұрын

@@bunsmasterbunny whose mistakes include multiple counts of attempted murder on each Titan, manipulation, betraying their trust, destroying their entire city, nearly erupting a volcano under the city, and much more if you include the comics. She's not a victim who made bad choices, she was an active attempted murderer who didn't change until she was backed into a corner and betrayed by her own boss. Terra didn't learn from her mistakes, she sacrifices herself to stop the volcano she caused and then literally runs away from her problems again by refusing to remember what she did to the Titans. Terra out of all the villains, gets off pretty much without a scratch for all the heinous things she did, compared to the rest of the villains who were either permanently frozen or trapped in other realms. Furthermore, she had already betrayed the Titans in Titan Rising shown by her knowing how to use her powers and the obvious plan she set up with Slade to gain their trust, meaning she was a spy the entire time with no actual redeeming qualities, other than her being nice to Beast Boy, but only to get him away from the other Titans that she set up to be killed in Betrayal by the Slade bots.

@bunsmasterbunny

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelfireheart8300 Her backstory justifies all of it. She IS a victim. You just don’t understand her.

@michaelfireheart8300

Жыл бұрын

@@bunsmasterbunny Sure doll, the backstory of being a loner, and when she doesn't give Beast Boy the time to talk to her, even though she knew the world's second greatest detective could easily figure out her inability to control her powers. No, it doesn't justify attempted murder and betraying those who gave you a home. That's not even getting into the comics backstory of being tortured, until she got her powers as she was a princess of a earth controlling kingdomz alongside her much more interesting prince brother, Geo-Force. Terra was mentally unstable as a result and ends up sleeping with Slade, while the same storyline unfolds, except Terra kills herself when she tries to kill the Titans as well as Slade under the hive building, by dropping the building on herself. The comic version never has remorse and is entirely unstable, compared to the animated show where they try to redeem her, but it doesn't work as it's disjointed with how she's not wanting redemption, up until the Titans corner her after Slade betrays her. Terra was a traitor and enjoyed it, only when she was in control, but immediately decides to change sides when Slade takes control of her body, forcing her to be evil, which is not a consistent redemption arc in any way. If they had Terra showing remorse before this event, not including the forced flashback memories she has in the city, then you'd have somewhat of a point, but she's only remorseful when her life is in jeopardy by Slade.

I always saw Titans Together as the true finale with the classic ending where all the heroes we’ve seen come together in a final battle and defeat all of the villains, and Things Change as the epilogue with the movie as a bonus which could also be a pseudo finale. Unlike Spectacular Spider-Man, I don’t think another season is needed, but if the right people are behind it, then it definitely wouldn’t hurt.

@fumothfan9

2 ай бұрын

Spectacular spiderman introduced mile morales It defintely is at least retconned in the movies

When I was younger i ALWAYS wanted season 6. For years I would say how the ending sucked and it was a cliff hanger. Then after I grew up a bit and rewatched the entire series I came to the same conclusion. It’s a perfect ending and the last lesson you learn as a teen. With that they are no longer the teen titans. They are the titans

@fumothfan9

2 ай бұрын

So spin off? 😂

@AnixCo1990

Күн бұрын

@@fumothfan9yeah follow Titans East, and have the show take place 5-10 years after Things Change.

I never saw "Things Change" as a cliffhanger, but it was very bittersweet. I associate more with Terra in this episode because of the painful memories of the past that haunt me. She doesn't want to remember it. Beast Boy, longing for things to be the way things were due to the changes going on around him, wants Terra to be what he sees; this idyllic sweet girl he loved. The episode shows us a very harsh and very bitter truth: Nostalgia's can be a powerful thing, but it also is extremely dangerous. Beast Boy remembers, or wants to only remember, the positive stuff while ignoring the negatives. By doing that, he effectively became the toxic side of nostalgia; wants to relive it by proxy and is unaware of the damage its doing. His dwelling on the past nearly cost him his present.

@michaelfireheart8300

Жыл бұрын

Which is true, but goes against the season 2 finale where Beast Boy called her out and even said her betrayal was her choice, it's why this episode doesn't quite work in a consistent way.

@bunsmasterbunny

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelfireheart8300 It doesn’t go against anything. He clearly forgives her and wants to go back to how things were before the betrayal due to how happy he was during that time. It works beautifully as a way to cap off Beast Bot’s arc of maturing this episode.

@michaelfireheart8300

Жыл бұрын

@@bunsmasterbunny not really. Beast Boy in this arc was clearly shown to mature and face his past with the Brotherhood Of Evil, but immediately does a 180 in Things Change because they couldn't let Terra stay dead, while also feeling a bit preachy about things changing. It's disjointed at best and leaves the season abruptly on a low note, instead of the high note of the previous episode where all the Titans were united after the battle with the Brotherhood Of Evil.

@michaelfireheart8300

Жыл бұрын

@@bunsmasterbunny Furthermore, he's way too forgiving of that betrayal, since it nearly cost him the lives of his friends and his own life repeatedly in Betrayal and Aftershock part 1. The fact he's so forgiving, really destroys his character as Terra could literally kill the entire Doom Patrol and he wouldn't bat an eye, while making excuses for her with the logic of Things Change. It puts him into a new level of delusional and just cripples his character, since he can't admit the truth according to the writers, until he's beaten down by Terra along with her friends.

@michaelfireheart8300

Жыл бұрын

@@bunsmasterbunny Plus Things Change takes place over a year after season 2, making it contradictive as he never had any need to want Terra back, outside his demonic clone in season 4 that taunted him about his insecurities, which felt more like the villain using a sensitive spot rather then anything else.

To be fair, the strangely emotional ending made that show super memorable for a lot of kids.

I genuinely believe if it wasn’t for how teen titans initially ended, people would be a bit more forgiving on go .

@nightwing6287

Жыл бұрын

The cliffhanger was a bad way to end it as other people got the impression that there was going to be more to it, but then got canned. still a great episode, I like it more cause of this vid, but I would've prefered it being the second last episode, and having that last episode feel a lot more conclusive.

@t.v.rockwell4504

Жыл бұрын

When I first watched Things Change I had no idea it was the finale, of the series or even a season, I thought it was just a new episode. So I was expecting more Teen Titans, but then Trouble in Tokyo came out and I was satisfied with it ending.

@BovineDesigns

Жыл бұрын

Honestly i liked Go at the beginning, but once it became a self hating cynical mess i lost interest.

@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214

Жыл бұрын

@@BovineDesigns Yeah Man the Early Episodes were actualy pretty fun

@BugsyFoga

Жыл бұрын

@@t.v.rockwell4504 Yeah, trouble in Tokyo was technically the last teen titans thing we got from the original series, why can’t that be accepted as the ending by people.

I was definitely in the camp of hating how ambiguous the ending of TT was for the longest time. But now, holy crap this is one of the best finales I’ve ever witnessed. The kind that really inspires me and the writing I do. Thanks for reintroducing me to this brilliant ending!

@michaelfireheart8300

Жыл бұрын

Is it really ambiguous? It ended with Beast Boy leaving to help the others stop another villain. That's not ambiguous, it was actively putting the Terra fiasco to rest and having Beast Boy choose his team over his past. Which on paper sounds good, until you realize they already had him come to the realization of who Terra was in Aftershock Pt. 2, when he was the one to call her out about her actions being her own.

@dinofacedindividual9462

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelfireheart8300 Ambiguous is probably a poor choice of words. I meant more that it felt like it didn’t resolve much to me at the time (I was young and had not gotten past Highschool myself at that point) Which in hindsight, is not only the point, but a good message to put out there

@michaelfireheart8300

Жыл бұрын

@@dinofacedindividual9462 eh fair, good on you for clearing that up.

@autumbreeze1129

Жыл бұрын

Same. I even don't think Go's as shit as I did before now because of this revelation. Granted, I do still think Go is shit, just not as shit as before. Like I said in my review of the first TTG movie, that movie was the quality of writing I expected of TTG. A more light hearted, far less serious show, but with decent enough story that is doesn't feel like it's constantly relying on lol random humour all throughout.

I feel like Things Change hits way harder on a rewatch. I was still a kid when I saw it, so I didn't get it. I just took it as a weird plot twist that was left unfinished. But coming back on it as an adult, it hits harder. While the episode was mainly about teenagers growing up, I'd say it can be linked to adulthood as well. When family or friends change for 'no reason', but there is a reason. Even if you can't see it. And sometimes, you'll never get answers for that 'reason', you just have to accept it and move forward. It's a powerful episode.

@ericlammers3492

4 ай бұрын

Every teen deserves to have a future. And not have their painful past get the best of them.

I wanted a Teen Titans season focused on Starfire. She was the only member of teen titans that didn’t get her “own arc”.

@ericlammers3492

4 ай бұрын

On the bright side She got her own episode with black fire

@Jak2bossbf3

2 ай бұрын

Yeah true she didn’t get her own season, but she did get a lot of episodes that were focused on her

Recently got broken up with completely out of the blue. Over text. I had no idea that the last time I saw her would be the last time I would ever see her. I didn't bother responding to her break-up text because she wouldn't have done it over text in the first place if she cared about hearing my feelings. It's been two months since the break up. Part of me regretted not responding. "Even if she wouldn't care, I should do it for my own closure." This video helped reassure me of my decision not to respond and to just move on. Even if I did respond, I probably wouldn't feel closure. Sometimes you just don't get that.

@GamerSlyRatchet1

Жыл бұрын

I had the same issue with an old friend of mine. We were close friends from junior high school to college, then he just started ignoring my texts and calls. I was upset, but I realized quick that if he had some issue with me or elsewhere and he never bothered to communicate with me, then he wasn't worth the pain. I later learned he pulled that shit with our other friends, which reaffirmed that viewpoint.

@TheGreatSalsaMan

6 ай бұрын

A girl that does something that shity isnt even worth a response king

I think this video will help a lot more young people understand the ending of that show. Most specifically the part with Payton. I don't know that a lot of of kids are going to naturally get that life doesn't always go our way. Also, an unfortunate amount of parents sit their kids in front of TV so they don't have to talk to them so I doubt many of them explained this.

I find it ironic that the 2003 iteration of TMNT literally started with an episode called Things Change and people understood the message right away because it was a new iteration whilst the original Teen Titans, which coincidentally also started in 2003, ended with Things Change and not many watchers totally got the message because there were still unanswered questions and resolutions when life doesn't always work that way as demonstrated via BoJack Horseman.

@Xavier-po2xw

Ай бұрын

I think it's because it's the start of a new journey. We get to enjoy a franchise we love. It's different but it's a new start. With TT, it's an end. And endings are hard. Especially bitter sweet endings where we have to learn/ be reminded of a difficult lesson

Man, Mattie and Khary Payton (with guest star Garrett Wang!) really brought it home. Best analysis of the Teen Titans finale I’ve seen. I would’ve loved to have seen more seasons, sure, but I definitely understand Mattie and Khary’s sentiment about how that might've diminished the finale we did get. (heh, ever wonder if the Terra in that episode is really the show’s version of Terra II? Poor, poor Terra II…) Also, great job to everyone (WDb'ers and fans alike) explaining why The Zeta Project should come back. I’ll tell you all a little story: I really was hoping, long a shot as it may be, that Zeta Month would indeed convince WBD (not to be confused with WDb) to make that happen. But I also thought to myself, “Few things talk more to a big multimedia corp. than sales.” So I finally got me both seasons of The Zeta Project for the holidays. To anyone else with the means, I suggest you do the same! Let's turn the Watchtower Zetabase into some Watchtower Zetabank!

@jonbrewer297

Жыл бұрын

I mean, we know the Team Titans exist in this universe, albeit they're aware they're from an alternate reality. Red X is Deathwing? And yeah, seeing Zeta brought back would be great. At least its crew really wants to bring it back.

Maybe because I was somewhat older than the target audience at the time the episode aired.... but I LOVED the ending of Teen Titans. It just had this "mature" quality and message to it...

@bookmew1081

Жыл бұрын

I thought it was normal to like the Episode, it brought Terra back living the normal life she always wanted. We got this weird cool monster thing that was never explained. I also thought it was normal to want to get more of Teen Titans because of how good & openended the final episode was. The Penultimate episode seemed to finish off almost every villain in the show, then the next episode reminds us that Slade is still out there & gives new plot threads. At least Trouble in Tokyo & years later TTG vs Teen Titans happened. I was only 8 when the series ended with it being my introduction to DC.

One theory I've heard about how Terra came back is that when Raven and the titans defeated Trigon and she restored the Earth back to normal Terra was restored to life too. If that girl Beast Boy met really was/is Terra my guess is that the life of a superhero or villain wasn't what she wanted anymore, and the Slade bot was one way of making Beast boy understand that. Being Slade's apprentice either she or Slade would've had acess to the tech to program the bot. Anyway there is a story involving Terra's brother Geo-force that follows up on this in the tie-in comic: Teen Titan's Go! - #51 Metamorphosis from 2008.

@kidprime6863

Жыл бұрын

My theory is that Terra freed herself from her petrification after her powers "caught their breath". Hear me out. The only reason she got like that and why it took so long was because she exhausted her powers beyond their current limit to stop the volcanic eruption from destroying Jump City and used the last of her energy to encase herself in stone to survive. While in suspended animation, she looked back at the things she did and once her powers came back, she freed herself and snuck away. After that she vowed to never use her powers, good or evil, ever again and start her life over. And the rest is history.

I agree that it was a very wholesome especially the symbolism of beastboy running into the light at the end. To me it signifies beastboy reluctantly coming to terms that he has to move forward instead of always looking back to a shadow of a past that he might have been his happiest in. To him his greatest failure was failing to save Tarra and bring her back to the Titans.

All great points. Ironically the fans would call revivals "shameless cash grabs", like how it happens all the time. Fans claim that they want it back, but would bash it for either being back or too different. The producers couldn't win regardless what they did.

@Quintonias

4 ай бұрын

I feel that way with a LOT of shows that get cancelled too soon due to public perception. Inside Job being a great example; amazing show, great writing, interesting characters, and a premise that allowed for basically anything to happen. But, people thought it was a Rick and Morty ripoff.

I like to think of Things Change and Trouble in Tokyo as two halves of the same finale. While they may seem nothing alike at first, if you compare Beast Boy’s down-and-depressed attitude here with his upbeat-and-happy personality in Trouble in Tokyo, it’s almost like he’s a completely different person, maybe even the person Terra (or whatever’s left of her) wanted him to be before she disappeared forever. Perhaps that could be a metaphor for the lesson Things Change was trying to teach; While you may not be able get back the past and you can’t always get what you want in life, you can always move on and work toward creating a better future, thus allowing yourself more opportunities to get what you want later.

That whole arc was wild; I'm still in awe of what we witnessed. Bravo!

I brought the Teen Titans complete series on Blu-ray last year which also includes the Tokyo movie as its own disc because I was feeling nostalgic for this show. The audio's so crisp and clear and it's also been cleaned up. The animation looks cleaner, sharper and more clear now! I've watched my set a few times now. You're going to make me want to watch it again! LOL!

That commercial at the beginning though, that hit me right in the nostalgia

This channel's drive to get Zeta back is legendary at this point lol

So... The future Mattie Head was never them at all but was in fact just a Zeta Bot's head... Interesting.

I’m 23 and been struggling with accepting my last relationship was truly over and for some reason this actually made me feel a little better and learn to finally accept it. Great video man thanks for that

if they do finally make a season 6 for Stafire, her backstory would be explored and her (real) brother Wildfire would be introduce, so what do you think the story would be about?.

I thought that I was here for teen titans, but I have unintentionally caught up on the database's storyline over the last month, so I actually understood what was happening here. Neat

If you want a real conclusion to this episode, read the tie-in comic series which introduces Terra’s brother and in said issue, Beast Boy decides to let Terra go because of how content she is with her normal schnook life. Nowadays, this episode resonates with me more than ever because it reminds me of the last time I saw an old friend right before she left to move on with her life.

@jadenbryant9283

Жыл бұрын

Seems like a lot of people do not know about the tie in comic

@myotismusic5019

Жыл бұрын

@@jadenbryant9283I do! I read it when I was a kid! It was pretty good actually.

@myotismusic5019

Жыл бұрын

I’ve read this comic! It’s very good!

Well what can I say, mere words can't describe how brilliant this was! It was an emotional roller coaster from start to finish for sure. The time and effort you put into this and the other videos was off the chart. Simply outstanding work, you can be very proud of what you've made here. 🙂💛

I feel grateful?? to be able to watch this KZread video? im pretty sure thats how i feel right now you all just do amazing work that im glad to be able to be a small, small, part of as a viewer. it is outrageous how this channel hasn't hit 100k but still so impressive how much success you have achieved with such a niche focus on your content. You've proven that no matter what you tackle you can make it interesting, if you branch out even further from DCAU content I'll still be around and I wish everybody on the WDB team the best.

You monsters! Let this man make a damn Sonic video! I would kill for a video on the Archie and Fleetway Books. But guys, super good video. I first saw the TT season finale in 2011, and I’ve always loved it. Although I couldn’t exactly understand the concepts fully at the time, I really appreciated the nature theme it decided to spend its time on. No better fitting way to close out a kids show in my opinion, than telling audience that “it’s over, it’s still gonna be here, and there’s always be something else.”

FINALLY! Someone else in this world who likes the Season 5 ending besides me! I always took the message as more symbolic statement of the show to it's fans that the story is over, and we just have to move on now. I respect a show that ends on it's high point (even if it was technically cancelled). The final episode was a unique ending that most super hero shows wouldn't do. The writers decided to end the season on a real message for their audience who would grow up to hopefully understand one day. Sometimes...things change, and you just have to let it be that.

@theleonpasta7336

Жыл бұрын

I always believed that Tara remembered everything, and just chose to move on, leaving the past in the past and trying to have a normal life despite it. That's probably the canonical answer, but I understand how fans could hate that and want her to simply be brainwashed or a clone or something comic book-y like that, it is very dissatisfying and almost a slap in the face, especially to people who were engaged by Tara and Beast Boy's relationship and wanted them to just be allowed to be together without any hangups. However, in retrospect I love how somber it is, and how it isn't the standard happy ending a lot of shows get, it leaves room for you make up your own stories for how things turn out, and that's pretty awesome despite it not being super satisfying, considering the show shyed away from overt fanservice like not showing Batman or most of the characters origins it feels right to end things in an unclear place, because when we first watched it things weren't really super clear in the first place. Since day one Teen Titans kinda left you to decide the characters specific origin stories and backgrounds that brought them to where they are and that's one of the coolest things about it, you decide if Beast Boy's parents are still alive, or what happened to make Cyborg become....well a Cyborg. Only sometimes do we actually get specific knowledge like Raven's story or Starfire's immigration to Earth or which Robin TT's Robin is.

@nightwing6287

Жыл бұрын

@@theleonpasta7336 interesting points. In my head cannon is that for whatever reason Terra doesn’t remember her past life due to the trauma she went through, and is hardwired to not like or appreciate the same things she once did as a way to protect herself subconsciously. I’m not sure she would intentionally want to forget BB, sure, he is a big reminder of how her life was when she met him and the torment she put him through. But he also was the only one who actually genuinely cared for her despite her flaws, and despite the betrayal she done he still tried to fight for her. He would welcome her back. So I strongly believe it’s more of a subconscious defense mechanism to shield herself from the harm those memories will cause her. Or, as you suggested, some comic book reason.

@durianthesleepy

Жыл бұрын

I'm glad to have found my people, and that Mattie is one of them. It was pretty disconcerting every time I'd come across a Teen Titans fan that brought up the finale as a "cliffhanger". When the first time I'd watched, and hadn't heard all the creator comments, I still couldn't conceive of someone watching 17 minutes of Terra rejecting Beast Boy and not seeing "oh Terra doesn't want to go back." So what if Terra does, or doesn't remember, even the weirder possibilities have the same results: she's a lookalike with amnesia, Terra's ghost, a figment of Beast Boy's imagination along with half the episode? Still all that comes to the same conclusion: Beast Boy confronts that he won't get Terra back, and he needs to make peace with that.

@dragonblast417

Жыл бұрын

Tbf I was just a stupid, broody, emo 14 year old. The message just flew over my head

@uanime1

Жыл бұрын

If almost everyone didn't understand the ending then this is a failing by the writers, not the audience.

It’s 15 days left for Teen Titans turning 20 years old

Man, this was great video. As a fan of all these shows mentioned, I resonate with this a lot. Epic way to connect this all back to Zeta Month and the channel storyline.

Amazing video as always, fantastic discussion of both teen titans and its writing, and zeta and its legacy, a comparison of two greats that perfectly shows the difference between something ended thoughtfully and when it needed to, versus something that was pushed out prematurely and still has so so much to give. Emotional beats and acting were fantastic and hilarious as always, and it was so cool to see so many other zeta fans, and the wrap up for this storyline that’s been such a joy to see creatively and as a watcher for the few years I’ve been here. Amazing work you guys!!!!

Dam never thought I'd hear a dramatic trailer backed by Nickleback of all things

Want to catch up on the story before the grand finale? Full story playlist ➡️ kzread.info/head/PLZ1WxFp2AMZPw6qflnpLXeGmxL6oviqyM Zeta Month playlist ➡️ kzread.info/head/PLZ1WxFp2AMZMYV-NJhhcfshjp6-eX6EsH

@majormononoke8958

Жыл бұрын

And this is the reason i dont watch teen titans go. It is a waste of time that total diminishes the orginal cartoon in every possible way. Which leads to the question... What about the orginal voice actors, how can you preach to the fans or whoever about the finale, while you still are making some bizarre rip-off that deliberately is mocking and undermining teen titans and probably cashing on it too... Who hasnt move on? Still, better than some other never ending animes, destroying their own shows. Funny enough, this is why you cant take grown ups serious. Everything they say is hypocrisy or reflection of their own persona, nothing deep just stupidity, hybris and submission.

@mattiesavannahpahl9934

Жыл бұрын

☝️get a load of this guy... 🥱

Did anyone else forget they were watching a teen titans episode halfway through?

Took me an awful long enough to finally watch this. Really like how you explained the episode. Personally, I didn't mind how it ended, liked what it went for and respect it for that. I can, to an extent, understand why some people consider it a cliffhanger. Don't want S6 myself, even though the reason for that is different. If I am to nitpick, it would be the way Terra chose to act when she got freed from her petrification. It felt like she picked the "Run" route instead of "Learn" one. Thank you for the video.

They may have meant ‘Things Change’ to be the final ep & lesson you learn as a teenager but they still made the ‘Teen Titans: Trouble In Tokyo’ movie afterward so that reason not to continue the show loses some credibility. Yes, Beast Boy’s arc with Terra is over but that doesn’t mean there aren’t more stories & lessons to tell past that as the characters continue to grow beyond their teens - maybe just make it about them as young adult titans & the lessons you learn at that age.

Just because I can accept that old TT ended doesn't mean I can't wish for a new TT or like TTG.

I think it's a good finale, but It always struck me that there wasn't a Starfire season. Every other character has a story. Heck, Beast Boy gets two, unless you count the first as Terra's. But Starfire's just.... in the peripheral vision of everyone else's arcs, a long game. Even Trouble in Tokyo was mostly another Robin story. I just feel like she was done dirty.

Realized my comment started with a spoiler so putting something in front of it so it’s less visible. Willie T. Cannon, I see whatcha did there! Excited for the future of this channel whether it be random DCAU videos or just random videos. Chef’s kiss for the finest year of Watchtower Database content yet!

I’ve been trying to correct fans’ insistences that TT wasn’t ever finished for a while now. The creators literally said they only ended it the way they did BECAUSE THEY KNEW IT WAS THE END. This was always the intended finale. They WANTED it to be without closure. They weren’t planning to follow up Things Change; that IS how they wanted to end it, all along.

@GamerSlyRatchet1

Жыл бұрын

Yup. Even if it had gotten the 20-episode season, it would've ended there. And even if it got a sixth season, I doubt it'll ever touch on and "explain" the events of Things Change.

@Optimegatrongodzilla

Жыл бұрын

@NinjaGamer13 Um, that's not true. Season 5 wasn't intended to be the final season. The series got cancelled. Look it up.

@mattiesavannahpahl9934

Жыл бұрын

@@Optimegatrongodzilla lol, you're wrong buddy. Watch the video you're commenting on

@nightwing6287

Жыл бұрын

@@mattiesavannahpahl9934 They got the news about the show ending with S5 at the start of S5. that doesn't mean they creators were intending on that season to be their final seaosn. it probably wasn't meant to end with things end originally, but had to due to the 13 episode limit. This is a guess but the impression that I got is that they wrote Things Change after the announcement of it being a limited 13 episode season run. or made changes to the episode. thanks to the video tho I got to learn more about the message they tried to deliever, which was great tho, quite fitting.

@luckylol

Жыл бұрын

@@Optimegatrongodzilla It was intended to end this way. Bill Walko asked Glen Murakami if he's satisfied with things change being the finale and he said this "Yeah, I am. I think it’s a nice cap to the “Terra” story. I think the thing people don’t realize about “Terra” is: she wasn’t cut out to be a super-hero. She had super-powers, but she wasn’t cut out for that. And that’s what makes her a tragic character. And I think that’s what makes that character interesting. It’s hard to explain that sort of thing to people. Like, some characters are born to die. And that doesn’t mean that we don’t like that character. That’s the lesson of that character."

Poignant and epic, just the way I like it! Thanks for honouring The Zeta Project in such a cool way, I can't wait to see what's coming up next.

Thanks for this video. I was too young to understand all the inner workings of how TV gets made when Teen Titans finished, heard the rumours about S6 being cancelled and just went with it. I think I was also a bit too young to get the themes of the show, especially the lesson about holding onto the past vs. letting go- I was far from a teenager when I watched it. I think it's great that a show that was meant for children strove to teach them lessons they might not have been able to get until rethinking and rewatching later. It shows the respect for the audience that I really appreciate about stuff like these DC cartoons, ATLA, VeggieTales, etc.

This is an amazing video you guys are truly special, and it's interesting because you made me see this episode in an interesting light, especially because my relationship with the episode things change is pretty different from most people. For me I was a kid (like 6) when it first aired and didn't watch it until years later (when I was 9 or 10) so because of that I don't have any real connection to it the whole "teenagers Last lesson" thing went over my head and while I never begged for it I did think that a 6th season would have been cool and I did want to know exactly what was up with Terra (like was this her and she truly didn't want to remember,was this her with actual amnesia,or was this a girl that just looks like her), but if what you said it's true then I guess it's not meant to be, that sucks but I guess we all just have to live with it, as always love the videos you guys make and I can't wait to see what you do next, this story arc was 10/10 in my book

You unlocked some memories with that CN commercial

Aw man what a fantastic video. I never minded the ending much when I was younger, but now that I’m all grown up I love it. It makes all the sense. Teen Titans was never about resolutions, but revelations. I’d love to see your take on “How long is forever?”, that episode is truly something.

"Its okay to watch Teen Titans Go, its literally just us getting drunk and thinking about the old show, we are having a blast!" This kinda Recontextualized the show for me and makes me want to give it another chance

@dcauwatchtower

2 ай бұрын

It's actually pretty dang fun

The hierarchy of power in the Watchtower Database is about to change...

Great video man excellent analysis of the episode and life in general really like this video

Lol the ADR on "where's he going" makes it art. Love you guys

That was really neat how everything tied up

Can't spell Zeta Smut without Jake

@minato_arisato3751

Жыл бұрын

You can't?

Thanks for tossing my video into the compilation. Hopefully, it will lead to some people visiting HNE Games, HNE Tech and HNE Toys.

An excellent video essay and a satisfying end to the WDB storyline.

Cyborg... The character I identify with... That was a epic speech that holds true to this day... Looking at it now... I see why it ended the way it did... And why it's legendary in its story overall...

My only problem is we never got the Starfire season. If this had been the series finale after every titan got their time to shine I'd be satisfied.

Thank you for letting me be a part of this finale 😊

Throughout my entire life, I’ve had to experience things changing. There are friends I had that moved away, became worse people, or just stopped hanging out with me. People I thought I’d be friends with forever. That’s why I love Teen Titans finale. I can relate to Beast Boy’s feelings, trying so hard to live in the past, trying so hard to recreate friendships with people who don’t want to recreate those friendships, and finally learning to just move on. I first watched Teen Titans because of the new at the time show, Teen Titans Go. And while I despise that show for multiple reasons, it taking away the og show is not one of them. Change, even bad change, can lead to good things. I would not have discovered the old show if the new show didn’t exist. Things change, businesses close, people move away, shows get cancelled, people change, often without explanation, and we aren’t owed one either. Sometimes, you just have to learn to move on.

First off can I just say this video is masterfully done. Second off holy crap can't believe it took me this long to learn that Teen Titans ending was intenational. Honestly now I'm just wondering why the heck was the rumor that a season 6 was supposed to happen was so prevalent espacilly when the TTG hate train from like the mid 2010's started to really get rolling if there was info out there that said the contary. Now I'm md I didn't know it cause bro that kinda hits hard knowing the true meaning behind the ending. I'm about 22 right now and god knows I've been in a ton of situations where I got no closure, I never really saw many people from my high school days after I gradurated. I fired/quit jobs before saying goodbye to some coworkers and I've had situations where friends just...didn't wanna be friends with me anymore. Or situations of something geuninley didn't happen just me and other friend online just stopped talking with no real reason. I've never been like beast boy is in the episode where I refuse to move on and just really wanna cling on to what i had even if its just me fooling myself into believing its still there. But my mind has definitely sometimes wandered in the past just for reminisce sake. Great video Watchtowe database ya just got me to write a whole essay in a comment lmao.

Merry Christmas to the Watchtower Database peeps!

I see what the episode was trying to be about. It''s great message, specially for Beast Boy whole coming of age arc. However, the reason why that cliffhanger fails is because of the sub plot with Titans fighting that Elemental Monster. We don't get explanation for it, where it came from nor see how the titans defeated in the end, making the ending feel incomplete. If the episode focus only on Beast Boy and Terra, with the Titans just dealing with random threats, the episode probably would have been better accept by the fans.

@mattiesavannahpahl9934

Жыл бұрын

As said elsewhere in the comments, it's a nameless unknowable entity simply to fill the point that the Titans will always have evil to fight. Idk why there'd be a hang up on not getting resolution on that when your comment already states you agree with the message that sometimes you just don't get resolution. It's not a cliffhanger

@alexandrefrauches132

Жыл бұрын

@@mattiesavannahpahl9934 It is when they bring a character out of nowhere, with no explanation. If the Titans were dealing with usual villains they fought before no one would have so much problem. In facr having the other Titans dealing with other different problems while Beast Boy is solving things with Terra would deliver better the message they will always be necessary instead of creating a new villain the audience doesn't know anything about it.

@GamerSlyRatchet1

Жыл бұрын

@@alexandrefrauches132 It's just a random monster that represents the never-ending struggle. That's really it. They always fought random monsters with little to no explanation or backstory. This case isn't different.

@alexandrefrauches132

Жыл бұрын

@@GamerSlyRatchet1 But those monster in the end of the episode were defeated, even in just one fight. If this episode didn't want to create a cliffhanger it did a poor job by having subplot focusing on the Titans fighting these monster. It would work better if the episode didn't focus on the Titans besides Beast Boy and Terra, and end the episode with Beast Boy reciving Robin call and going to action.

@michaelfireheart8300

Жыл бұрын

@@alexandrefrauches132 yeah, but that's what happens when you want to be preachy and symbolic, you ultimately are left with a hollow product with a pretty design that has a basic theme

And they lived yoppily ever after.

As much as I hated that it ended so early, if it were to have a season 6 right now it might not live up to the show.

@lordskeletor4558

Жыл бұрын

No it won't live up to your nostalgia

@Galvatronover

Жыл бұрын

@@lordskeletor4558 I personally wouldn’t care if It didn’t

@michaelfireheart8300

Жыл бұрын

@@lordskeletor4558 Some yes, but most fans I've talked to don't let the nostalgia blind them, since they actually acknowledge the shows faults and how other fans made things up about the show to justify ships as well as similar things. Furthermore, the issue would be the people behind the show not respecting the source material, since they already shown that mentality with TTG, actively make spiteful episodes directed at fans like immature children.

@genoric4094

Жыл бұрын

@@lordskeletor4558I don’t think the people who were initially mad with the way it ended back in 2006 were mad because of nostalgia.

thank you I would never have had that interview and known that about teen titans go! I had a really negative take on it and honestly now I'm gonna watch it. thank you. I didn't see things change as a cliffhanger but I did love this show a lot and it's nice to know that it ended how they wanted and in such a meaningful way

I always wondered if they planned a doppelgänger Terra plot

@kidprime6863

Жыл бұрын

It would've made for an interesting and intriguing story, to say the least.

January 16 2006 was the day before my brother was born!! I was 2 at the time

This was amazing, thank you for this

What a conclusion! Been wondering how this whole train ride was gonna end, and gotta say, you guys didn't disappoint. Congratulations are in order

@dcauwatchtower

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Finally feel at peace knowing this is why Teen Titans ended

Ever since I subbed to your channel, I've avoided this video, because I thought it would hurt me. I was a believer in the rumors, largely because of my own painful experiences as a board artist, but now I see that I spent almost 18 years missing the point of the finale. Thank you for explaining all this, it's making me rethink a lot of the rest of my life and I really appreciate it.

This genuinely deserves an oscar.

@ericlammers3492

4 ай бұрын

Round of applause 👏 😊

It'll be more harder for a Teen Titans revival given the artist who helped made this show died last year so any wishes of that happening is long gone. But I'm sure somehow Warner Bros would revive the old show given normally a show after 20 to 30 years would be respectable for a revival at least. I know at the end of Teen Titans Go To The Movies gave us that good secret ending of the original TT cast and the crossover movie TT vs TTG film where both casts from their universes crossover to not only fight each other but even Raven's Fathers. And there was some recent birthday award show where original animated Teen Titans Robin was a host for some online show for DC Comics and Warner Bros animation. But stranger things have happen and if Warner Bros wanna revive Teen Titans the animated series for season 6? It'll be AFTER Teen Titans Go is over and that show is lasting longer than any other animated DC Comics show shockingly enough. Again I don't wanna get hopes up for a revival. But even I know at least I get why the show ended the way it did and I would wish for the best for voice actors and animators to work on newer projects. But again, most people even back in 2006 had grown up in an era where a lot of their favorite shows get cancelled from BS to insane reasons for cancellations (We also had the internet back then so misinformation was faster than the letters sadly) so I can't blame the fanbase back then on why they felt *Things Changed* was an *FU* to the fans when I know even the writers wasn't making the episode to piss on fans. It was supposed to make up grow up and move to better things. I guess it didn't work given most of us still love the original cartoon series. So that's our fault for being dumb kids of the 90s and 2000s. (I was born in 93 so I outlived even Toonami back then) So yeah moral of the story is..... Don't take episodes like Things Change too hard cause I fell for that trap too. lol

These videos always go above and beyond man, damn. Hell yeah

33:18 Catherine Zeta Jones, she dips beneath lasers, woah oh oh She has entrapped me, and Sean Connery, woah oh oh

@hxcbmxallday

Жыл бұрын

Workaholics, yes! You guys like shrooms?

I’m mid way through my teenage years now, and honestly I struggle with accepting things change. Especially where I am now, thinking of before why did I do that? I could say oh yeah I’m growing from that right now, but I’m not. It feels so weird how much things are changing, with and without me. It makes me feel lonely and suppressed from others. I feel I am beast boy, I felt I let go of the past and long time ago. But now that I can think about it have I truly let it go? Realized that things are changing? What if I lose something? How is it okay to let change happen and accept it? Recently I finished this series and I was waiting for the most cliff-hanger ending ever from what I heard from the internet. But I surprised that it wasn’t as bad as I thought it was, and that I like Beast Boy must grow and notice things will change. Maybe not now. Maybe when I’m in my final math test. Maybe while I’m walking across that stage will I accept it. But as of now I need to grow into it

Hey, dats me at 31:18. What a fantastic video guys. This gives me a whole new perspective on not only Teen Titans, but the DCAU in its entirety.

The thing about revivals, it shouldn't be trying to capture the old magic, but create a new magic. Doctor Who is a good example of this.

It was something bittersweet and I’ve been okay with that

For me having never heard of "Zeta Month" before, this was an absolute fever dream to watch lmao

As a fan of the show but also the comics this episode actually adapts part of the trial of Deathstroke storyline and the Team Titans Terra 2 plot.

I never hated the TT finale

@ericlammers3492

4 ай бұрын

Me neither. I think she had every right to reject Beast Boy and live normally.

Who was red x tho?? he returned too

Ive always had very fond memories of The Zeta Project, beast of a series.

31:24 Got teary-eyed like it was something out of that Omnimon scene in the Digimon Movie.

@mattiesavannahpahl9934

Жыл бұрын

Digimon movie is an all time favorite of mine! If I wasn't almost certain that the execution of the video clips integration was done by James, I'd say it may have been a subconscious inspiration

Great video! Best on the topic

Recently I saw this episode for the first time and in my opinion that confrontation with Slade robot was Terra's doing. It was programmed by her to say the things that she could not say in person. It makes sense that she would have access to the robot Slades and the things the robot said are the things that she can't say without admitting that she is Terra.

When I was a kid I knew that it wasn't a "cliffhanger." But that just made me really annoyed with the episode. I was like "really? You're not even going to confirm whether or not this random girl is terra?" It really bothered me.

Everything changes. The more you try to hold onto something, the more your potentially hurting yourself. Sometimes it’s better to end thing than hold onto that is no longer there. Enjoy the good times while you had them and remember but keep on growing and moving forward. I learn I might not always get closure but it’s okay and to keep looking forward to what even if not the same or the good times because I might like it even it was or more.

as we see here, mattie & james dodge the robot's lasers, this means among the watchtower database verse, they both officially have light combat & reactions speeds, with maybe even FTL combat & reaction speeds

@mattiesavannahpahl9934

Жыл бұрын

You're able to do a lot of training when you have time travel powers and think making an obscure Workaholics/Catherine Zeta Jones joke would be funny

@dcauwatchtower

Жыл бұрын

That’s a retcon ;)

i forgot this was about teen titans.

Rewatching the Terra arc, its pretty obvious to me that Terra never really fit in with the titans. They forced her along in the episode where they meet, she ends it feeling humiliated and betrayed (tho beast boy didnt blab about her lack of control). The reunion episode has her feeling out of step with the others, especially Raven. Then she betrays them and it must be so humiliating to even consider crawling back to people you hurt so deeply. I think it makes perfect sense she just wants to put the titans behind and try to live her own life. Thats literally all she ever wanted.

😭 starro killed me

Btw, they who claim we want to destroy the "perfect ending" did destroy it by: 1. Hinting TTGO was TT 2003 in some jokes 2. They did continue after that or I'm crazy, didn't they participate in TWO movies? So, they're hypocrites.

I have a DCAU theory but I don't know if it's worthy of a video. I think Lex told the Joker how to find the Royal Flush Gang to make Cadmus desperate for his help after losing some their best weapons

Jake with the (unintentional) face turn!

You know what I really want them to do for a Teen Titans season six? ADD MORE HONORARY TITANS!