Oh man you got suckered! Who runs your business you or the customer haha... See you in part 8 😅

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

2 жыл бұрын

Ever done one of these new Subie engine jobs Eric? Wish me luck 😆

@2491kridge

2 жыл бұрын

See you in part 8 🤣🤣🤣🤣 you ain’t right Eric, not cool lol

@mortimersnerdishere

2 жыл бұрын

Make SURE the head is facing north before you start disassembly the cam carriers! Let the machine shop set lash

@mortimersnerdishere

2 жыл бұрын

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics WATCH your fingers with the chains and the cams, if you don't unload them they will flop back with a vengeance

@mph5896

2 жыл бұрын

Kevin Hill exactly. Lash clearance is very important on that setup

Ivan: "I don't have the time" Cust: "I'll pay you twice what it costs." Ivan: "I'll get started in the morning."

@mikefoehr235

2 жыл бұрын

Yup...green talks.

@turboimport95

2 жыл бұрын

This is the only way he would do it. I would not even want to do this and I have swapped the old Subaru ej25 engines and did headgaskets. but sometimes a chunk of money convinces us to go against better judgement.😂

@TreyCook21

2 жыл бұрын

@@turboimport95 I'd love to have the extra money, but I'm not sure I could get it done. Above my skill level.

@annaplojharova1400

2 жыл бұрын

I would expect diagnosis, what Ivan does, as higher skilled work, so has higher hourly rates than a regular part swapping mechqnic. So spending his more expensive time on something many other mechanics can do cheaper would not be honest for his customers. But here it seems his customer insisted to pay the diagnostic rate for the work. But 14 hours, that is the heck of expensive repair...

Lol “customer talked me into doing repairs”. Oh Ivan. Looking forward to episode two.

@geodun

2 жыл бұрын

Ivan is a pushover :)

@billmalec

2 жыл бұрын

Episodes 2-5

@ert870

2 жыл бұрын

@@geodun Luckily for us

@mrkttrdr2919

2 жыл бұрын

He probably trusts ur work over the dealer or anybody else. Good luck and will be watching the tear down

@stevelentz9458

2 жыл бұрын

@@billmalec 14.2 hours is going be about 30 episodes.

That certainly was special - you found a valve with a butt crack :-) Very expensive repair! Great diagnostic, as always!

@daveogarf

2 жыл бұрын

OMG! It DOES look like a butt crack! Nice work, Ivan.

I really enjoy watching your videos and your use of all the new diagnostic equipment and procedures. I'm retired from automotive repair business now and have seen a lot of changes in diagnosis and repair procedures, but one thing still holds true, sometimes you have to go back to the basics. Too many times people (techs?) will assume that a problem is caused by one of the electric components when actually it's a base engine problem (compression). Enter the parts cannon!. When I first started out in the repair business, I remember a seasoned mechanic diagnosing a burned exhaust valve by holding a piece of paper over the tailpipe, everytime the engine would miss, the paper would be drawn into the pipe. Love your channel.

Ivan... glad you took it on. The customer is worried and you are honest and thorough. It's a big job, no doubt but I can understand it. You're a good man and a good heart!

@summerforever6736

2 жыл бұрын

Money talks! But he is a good guy!

Living in the snowbelt, we loved Subarus but got tired of their expensive "quirks." It seems no generation of Subarus is without some sort of expensive fatal flaw. My daughter managed to nurse a 2001 Forester to 475K on it's original head gasket, and we figured that we used up several lifetimes of Subaru-karma with that one!

@mrb1864

2 жыл бұрын

yep old was better with these, we got 2 2000 and 1 2003, 2 older ones been real good and still got plenty life left, after the 2005/6 SG they became worse thanks to emission equipment and declining build material/part quality, The diesel early diesels was a disaster. Glad I stuck with old ones, buying newer is buying problems ...

lol. you sounded so tough. "I'm not doing this repair". Good man Ivan.

Is Subaru becoming the dodge of Japan? Nissan is clearly the Ford of Japan. Sad to see this problem coming from such historically high quality manufacturers. Perhaps it's just an anomaly and Japan still makes the better cars. I can't believe you accepted the repair. Will be watching it intently. Thanks ivan for posting these things. I also appreciate your editing and keeping it succinct. My other favorite tech channel has 40 minute videos with 20 minutes of non essential viewing. I very much prefer the nicely edited versions. Love your work

@joebutchko2223

2 жыл бұрын

My wife loves her suburu- her first one. But I'm shocked about the fragile paint, the poor upholstery and generally lousy fit and finish. Add the insanely complicated design overall, I don't know how they got the reputation they have.

@jeffbaldwin9842

2 жыл бұрын

Todays Subarus are made right here in the USA. Hate to say it but maybe thats the problem. Originally they came from Japan.

@user-ee1ki5lz5e

2 жыл бұрын

@@joebutchko2223 i am sure her "Suburu" is lovely, smells nice as well

I've seen a handful of these with broken valve springs. Be prepared for a fight getting the timing cover off and for hours of cleaning Fujibond. Make sure you have all fasteners out and don't pry on the timing cover past the cylinder block. You will break the aluminium cam caps otherwise.

Hey Ivan, the guy trusts you to do the job right. Anyone who has watched your videos would feel the same. Kudos to you Ivan, many thanks for all you uploads, from Nr Liverpool UK.

Ivan happy 4th of July. Looking forward to the repair. Thanks for sharing 👍

Have a happy 4th both of you!!! Awesome diagnosis on the button, cant wait for part 2!

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

2 жыл бұрын

You too Roxanne!

Going to be interesting and educational to watch. Your determination always amazing!

Very good diag Ivan. I really liked this series. This one was something and very interesting from beginning to end. Keep up the good work my friend.

That Teslong resolution is impressive. Another great video, can't wait for the following repair.

Great quick accurate diag as always , your time is better spent on high level diags not wasting your days pulling engines out that any mechanic can do . It's hard to say no to customers make sure you charge your full rate for every second of labour that's not a cheap job the customer knows your honest I don't blame them .

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I don't mind doing bigger jobs occasionally, but in this case when the instructions say pull the engine and flip it over in a special stand, it sounded ridiculous 😆

Very good Ivan. Your repairs are a good education for people that don’t work on cars as to what is involved doing the big jobs . If you’re doing this engine head TARE down every day it comes as routine to a tec . But still labour intensive. Looking forward to part 2.

i'll be waiting on the edge of my seat till part 2.

Wow, he roped you into doing the job! Looking forward to the subsequent videos.

Happy 4th of July to you and your wife man. You deserve it.

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jeremy, you too :)

Good luck Ivan. I love your channel man. And i respect you very much.

Ivan, with your explanations I think getting pretty good at understanding the waveforms you've included. I'd say I'm close to buying at least a two channel Pico scope for myself. I think your customer is just tired of the run-a-round and JUST wants his car fixed. Looking forward to seeing your magic in the next video. Thanks for Sharing!

Ivan, maybe you are too nice! That's a big job for a little garage. Lots of Love!

NOOOOO! You are too nice Ivan!! That's a big job. Can't wait for part two! lol

Ivan you need a bigger shop to keep up with demand...Looking forward to parts 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 hahaha

@zoidberg444

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah - I keep thinking that. A lot of KZread mechanics like Humble Mechanic and FordTechMakuloco have built large shops on their houses and I think Eric the Car Guy is planning to do that for his workshop when he returns. He has plenty of room to do it but getting a contractor must be a son of a bitch at the moment.

@Cheepchipsable

2 жыл бұрын

@@zoidberg444 Nah, he just needs another shed he can store immobile cars so he can keep his regular work space clear.

Customer talked you into doing the repairs. WHAT A SOFTY!

Probably epic diag. I never see cracked valve. Amazing. And You’re really taking Subaru’s job??. Oh Ivan.I can’t wait! Looking forward to more episodes lol 😁.

You will nail it. Will be fun to watch

He must have crossed your palm with gold to be able to talk you into that one! Good Luck!

Ouch 😔 Have had unfortunately burnt valve experience with my previous old 02 Ford Focus 1.6 due to oil consumption, long story short i ended up to get a second hand 1.6 engine with relative low miles on it and that was a good engine. I hope you had a happy 4th of July Ivan 😃🎉 Great video 😃👍

I can remember in the days of leaded petrol (1970's to 1980's), when Subaru made front wheel drive cars, and introduced the idea of 4-wheel drive in an ordinary car, and were very popular for towing small boats and were very efficient on the boat ramp. As well, gearboxes were very strong. They all used the 'boxer' engine, and over a period of time (past the 100,000 mile mark) exhaust valves would 'crack' and/or burn out with bromine fuel 'scavengers' in the petrol. This also happened with the air-cooled Volkswagen beetle rear mounted engines, which were easily removed for working on. With the later versions using fuel injection, and unleaded petrol, the seal in the injector tube would 'crack', causing a lean mixture to that cylinder, but very difficult to notice until an exhaust valve has burned out....

@tedmoss

2 жыл бұрын

It is fun to pull the heads off a "boxer" with out taking out the engine. My ex-wife ran out of water when a hose broke. It took hours.

"talked me into doing repairs" lol, Ivan - can't wait to see that video

Good luck with the repair. I hope it goes smoothly for you.

Customer complaint: "Too many Tr**p flags in the shop." 🤣 🤣 🤣

@davidgrisco1939

2 жыл бұрын

VIEWER complaint: "Not enough Tr**p flags in the shop." Free speech and PEACEFUL protest. 🤣👍

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

2 жыл бұрын

Actually most customers love it haha

25 hours labor at least. Pulling engine isn’t a walk in the park. Looking forward to the next video!!

The exhaust valve lash clearance got to tight. The exhaust valve can't cool down when they don't fully seat. Those buckets with shims are a pain.

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting theory. Definitely heat transfer related problem, but not necessarily valve lash related as we'll see soon 😉

@KM-os4be

2 жыл бұрын

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Intriguing.... i'll be watching.

Hello from Australia 🙃 Happy 4th to you and your family

Neat waveforms!! Good call on josiah on that, Beautiful pic of that burnt valve. Gotta love the boroscope!! Haha, customer sweet talked you too do the job lol. Haha well, he was impressed by the meticulous diagnosis you did, that far impressed him. Plus he was willing to pay the good cost as you always do the right cost and save customer money regardless. That's why you got a customer like that! I expect a deep detailed video of the job! Using Eric O's one liners lol. And Ivan's Bonus Footage and words like blows my mind, amazing etc lol. Haha i love it!!

Nice and accurate diagnostics.

Look forward to seeing you do the job

My friend had a 2011 Forester manual close to 75 k. The fork for the clutch broke inside the housing and after contacting customer service they split the cost. My friend paid for the parts and Subaru took care of the labor. Not as good as Toyota's customer service but much better than other brands.

At 120kmi, that's horrible. Thanks Ivan!

Hey Ivan, haven't seen your wife in one of your videos in forever. Where has she gone? You are WAY too nice! "Customer talked me into doing the repair." NO, don't walk away......RUN!

Great diagnosis1 And they talked you into the repair - can't wait to see that! Wonder why it seems the common factor of these failures is the manual transmission - maybe people lug them or drive the RPM's too high?

Good one Ivan. We get to see you either do an engine removal on a Subaru or more likely see you work out a way of doing the valve replacement in the vehicle. Either way it will be great! It would be nice to know if it was a faulty valve from the manufacturer. I have never heard or seen of a valve failure like that before. You would have thought it would have to have been hit. I hope for your customers sake you don't find other damage on the head, bore or piston.

I always wish to be this knowledgeable, am in Africa and to get this level of skills is very expensive.the diagnostic s are on another level. I admire you work you and diagnosedan are good technicians

@venomx4093

2 жыл бұрын

No need to pay big money. Ivan, Eric O, Scanner Danner and others on here provide for us. In exchange, give them a thumbs up and subscribe. Scanner Danner sells a diagnostics book as well as online classes that are much much cheaper than schools. No need for expensive tools either. Mechanics were around before we had access to the expensive diagnostics tools.

@SouthMainAuto

2 жыл бұрын

@@venomx4093 👍

Great stuff IVAN

Turning away a customer is hard but sometimes the right decision. I hope this goes smooth for you

You should look into doing training classes for your products. I would attend them at any cost. Great video.

Step 1) Remove engine from vehicle. Ivan "This is why I don't want to be married to this car" In the end, Ivan's going to a chapel and gonna get married. To be continued...

@dharley189

2 жыл бұрын

Ivan Ever Since You Worked On My Subaru ………… Forever 🤪

love these cars!

Yikes. Never saw a valve crack just like they, but have had a pizza slice taken out of one before I had on a Range Rover. And you got snookered into doing the job? Man Ivan, she must have been a looker! Hahahaha.

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

2 жыл бұрын

She tried the dealer and a specialized Subie shop... They just said "replace the engine" 🙄

Always love a good cylinder transducer waveform. You should show the group what a VA sensor looks like hooked up to the exhaust and one in the tail pipe. I started with that strategy because all the trouble cars come in hot off the hwy. So plumbing a VA sensor on the intake and exhaust pipe is easier. Then I can tell the customer to go away because I need a day alone with the car. My diagnostic life is all about buying time and getting the customer out of the lobby.

Those Subaru engines are SUPER easy to pull out. You can undo everything from the top bar the engine mounts.

I can't imagine going to a dealer if I could convince Ivan to do the work, lots of high-grade Vodka!! I do not know of anyone as intelligent, hard-working or trustworthy as Ivan. Gals you helped the owner out Ivan you are a true America.

Happy independence Day dude from me a Brit in the UK

I've seen the same damage on a 1980 Dodge Colt. The "crack" is actually metal removed by flame going past the valve.

Just started this mini series. Could you give me some insight on why the "pop pop pop" from the exhaust indicates low compression? Love your videos. Keep up the great work.

I hate when that happens. You have no intentions of doing a job and next thing you know you are elbows deep into it. Happy fourth to you and your family. I always loved it when people asked me if we had the fourth of July in Germany. I told them sure since it doesn't go from the third to fifth.

Happy Independence day to you.

I would have given it to you too,you are a good man

thank you for this video

That was awesome Ivan I'm not doing it !!!!! Customer talked me into it lmao

Thanks!

Hi man ! Its possible to do it without taking the engine out. But its a pain to torque the head and adjusting the valves. Olso pay close attension to coolant crossover pipe o-ring( the intake plenum will be off anyway) they sweat coolant often. 👍

I really dislike changing spark plugs on these damn subaru cars. Had a misfire one time due to human error when installing new plugs. One of my techs damaged a plug while putting it in, had me chasing my tail all day to find out that the plug was crack upon installation.

@jeffreygoss8109

2 жыл бұрын

They are a Pita for sure. The brz even more so. As a former manager you always check the techs work first

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

2 жыл бұрын

They are not too bad with a wobble extension...but yes care has to be taken not to force it for sure :)

@jeffreygoss8109

2 жыл бұрын

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics the BRZ requires a bit more than a wobble. I had unbolt the engine and lift it a bit. Thank goodness the only need replacement every 100k. I know Subaru states 60 but the iridium hold up well

@Cheepchipsable

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeffreygoss8109 I expect the 100k life of the plugs is why engine design has gone that way. Plenty of cars you need to remove the intake/cowl etc. In teh oldn dayz plug changes were far more regular.

@jeffreygoss8109

2 жыл бұрын

@@Cheepchipsable this true. My jeep with the pentastar required the intake to be removed.

Pulling the motor is a piece of cake, you'll be glad you took the job. Easy money.

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

2 жыл бұрын

The hard part is flipping it on it's side without the fancy Subaru engine stand lol

well this is going to get interesting!

Good man, you have that done before supper lol . Can be done in frame but they quick pull once done a couple .

...feel the love.

You will find that the engine still has to be removed in an older Forester because my brother dropped a Valve in his EJ20J powered 2000 model Subaru Forester a few years ago when him & my dad travelled 600 kilometres (360 miles) to see my grandmother who now lives in a nursing home, they were on their way to see her. The cause was the use of LP gas & my cousins husband who did his apprenticeship with a Subaru dealer had to remove the engine to remove the cylinder heads,he sent them to a local cylinder head reconditioning shop who replaced the valve seats,fitted new valves & valve springs. He also replaced the clutch & oil seals while the the engine was removed & charged my brother about $3500 AUD which was almost cost price since he was family !

Ivan, Ivan, Ivan! What's going on? Your excuse for NOT doing the job sounded so reasonable!

I know that the older belt driven cam Subaru boxer engines with turbo's were known for eating valves. But those were fairly easy to rebuild. I have not seen this happen on the newer ones either.

You softy.😄😄 Thank the customer for us more PHAD Videos.

I have 280k on my 2011 outback premium cvt so far so good.

I had a chevy sonic recently that had 3 or 4 exhaust valves torched, half of the valves from seat to stem were completely melted. I assume timing jumped a tooth or two in order for it to effect multiple cylinders. Usually I'm dealing with the ecotecs. In the past 6 months I've had to have replaced at least 100 valves on the gm 2.4l engines due to being bent from timing chain failures. Chrysler 3.6 failures are also up there in consistency with their failures. I keep camshafts, rocker arms, and lash adjusters in stock because there's usually at least 1 a week, sometimes more, that come through the door. Don't know what it is with the designs of these engines, is it engineering or are customers just that abusive with their vehicles....

@tedmoss

2 жыл бұрын

See my above story. (or maybe its below).

Awesome waveform and a great snapshot of the valve at fault! Sometimes it might be good for you to take a break from the brain busting diags and do some meticulous engine repairs haha! Also so weird how a few days after your call I’m doing an engine on a 2015 Cherokee with a burnt exhaust valve. Auto repair comes in pairs and anyone who works in the repair shop will say the same!

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah Josiah you called this one haha

@Brother2Jis_27s4

2 жыл бұрын

Pairs used to be the case,, the shop I'm at now I get them in bakers dozens.... We have to be the busiest shop in a 150 mile radius, repair pal, multiple recommended warranty company shop, auto wholesalers, marine repairs, sometimes its quite stressful, lol...

I do stuff like that all the time. I'm currently rebuilding a 360 from a 1974 Challenger. I just finished an '01 3.0l Ford. Exhaust valves were gone.

"Grasshopper" has acquired another smart, persuasive, follower as a customer, the worst kind ! lol

I wonder if a chunk of carbon broke off from somewhere (EGR valve, piston top?) and got caught in there, leading to that damage? Cool diagnosis.

@_RiseAgainst

2 жыл бұрын

Super hard for me to believe the valve cracked and deformed due to cold/heat cycles.

@montestu5502

2 жыл бұрын

That was my thought too. When the valve can’t contact the seat to dissipate the heat it gets super hot and can start to melt away. Whatever it was, it’s all burned away now!

I don't know, brutal labor times ( if no fasteners break and everything comes apart ) and then all the other stuff you won't be able to reuse,

So that’s how valves are made it’s dividing into 2 or maybe that cylinder wants to be multi valve Nice work

I would check the head and cylinder for warping! Been there done that ! LoL

I have a 2009 Forester and I'm detecting some exhaust noise like that. I'm hoping it's just a gasket. I'll have to pay attention to the idle. I do not like these cars. The engine is a glass cannon though the rest of the drivetrain seems solid.

all that then..."customer talked me into doing repairs", lol. I learn a lot on this channel. By the way, I noticed when watching this video I was unsubscribed, again!

That's a very easy engine to remove/install and the head is pretty straight forward to R n R .

@dharley189

2 жыл бұрын

In 1973 we pulled them out by hand in 45 minutes just to prove how tough we were. The exhaust manifolds made perfect handles ‼️ (No AC,PS, manual choke-easy) Probably why my back is worn out now. Young and stupid tricks.

I work in Subaru service. I have never seen an FB with a cracked valve. Never really see FB's with problems other than oil leaks which is typical. These 2014-18 model Foresters are decent. I've seen a few with manuals, they aren't that common tho. Common i hear them come in with exhaust leaks because of a clogged cat. Also some of them burn lots of oil. Hey it's what makes a Subaru a Subaru. I'd still take one of these over a new Turbo model in the long run. The Turbo FA24F come in all the time with oil leaking at less than 20k miles. Either from the lower oil pan or from the oil level sensor. On the oil level sensor jobs the turbo needs to be pulled off to fix.

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

2 жыл бұрын

Great insight, thank you! These are just approaching the 120k mile mark so I bet this isn't the only one with this issue... Maybe a bad batch of valves? 🤷🏼‍♂️

@RicardoPCGamer

2 жыл бұрын

​@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Maybe the engine got too lean? Or maybe the valve got stuck open because of a defective spring? which i do know Subaru had a valve spring recall on their FB/FA engines. It was mainly on the 2.0L tho. Common on the Impreza, Crosstrek & BRZ.

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

2 жыл бұрын

@@RicardoPCGamer We'll take a close look at the valves in Part 3 :)

Ooo you should have run from this 1,episode two come-ing up and 3 or 4🤣

a nice little job for there my friend...;-)

I'm only an interested viewer and have 0.123% of auto mechanics background. But your thoroughness and scientific investigation process needs to be packaged!! LOL. I enjoy very much watching your channel.

I can tell you what's not misfiring: my fleet of rust free Florida Panthers that sit in storage most of the year except for the rare occasion I drive one, like this weekend. Driving the one in my thumbnail right now!

Seen the split valve before. Fixed one in my moms 1956 Pontiac. This would have been in the early 60's. Took heads to machine shop valve grind , new valve and one inner valve spring $25.00

@mph5896

2 жыл бұрын

Ohc makes it a little trickier. Need to get the valve lash adjusted properly.

Nah, on my 1940 Chev. truck 6 cyl. I had to get a head from the junkyard ($10), take it home and take out the valves, find some valves that weren't burned, I think from a 1941 head, grind them by hand, (12 valves) reinstall them, slap the head on with a new gasket, align the timing gear and adjust the valve lash (.08 to .015) then add water. 14 hours total time. Start her up and drive for 5 years. No oil filter and air cleaner was an oil bath with splash type cyl. lubrication. (Not a tall tale). I also spent 8 hours pounding out the left kingpin and replacing it, but that is another story. I hope my twin brother doesn't get mad because I left him out of the story.

3:05 i think I found my new ringtone

Newer engines from Subaru are known for burning valves and also breaking the valve springs, Toyota 86 that it is the same Subaru BRZ all have that issue from day 1. So Subaru reliability keeps plunging like GM. Now they barely make the 100K miles before head gasket job, valve jobs, plus the multiple times of valve cover gasket replacement. That is why keeping a Subaru all you need is Love... and lots of money.

If I were the customer I'd want Ivan to do the repairs too.

@chrissmith7655

2 жыл бұрын

Me too!!!

Sounds like my EJ253 after I floated the exhaust valves into the top of the pistons. They apparently don't like 10k RPM from a 2 -> 1 money shift at 50 MPH. All 8 got bent, but on one side only one in such a way as to not seal, slowly burning away around a couple spots on the edge. I wonder if there's more to this story... However, 2015 outback with the FB25 and TR580 at 91k miles, no problems.

I wonder if it is burning the exhaust valve from a lean condition when you leave off the throttle and use engine braking? That might be why is is only showing up in manual transmission vehicles. I haven't had to deal with one of them yet so I will be looking forward to the repair.

I DID A HEAD GASKET JOB ON THE 6 CYLINDER ENGINE, OMG WHAT A NIGHTMARE THAT WAS. NEVER WANT TO DO ANOTHER ONE EVER AGAIN !