As a Bombardier (DeHavilland division) retiree I can say yes one specific factor.... incompetent management .... pure and simple....

@evandromoreira4215

4 жыл бұрын

It took several comments, in "Top Comments" order, to reach one which really explains the reason for Bombardier Aerospace fall: poor management. I'm also a former employee from BA in Montreal. It's a nice company, building a nice product, I was surrounded by nice people, but from a certain level up, arrogance and lack of vision highlighted. Collectively, that really broke the company. I left 2 years before those sad events occurred in sequence. Lucky me! It'd have certainly be a hard time in my professional life if I had stuck to the company. I'm really sorry for the good people that had their lives heavily impacted by others' mistakes.

@jfmezei

4 жыл бұрын

The irony is that when the federal government asked Bombardier to buy Canadair, it was because of Bombardier's solid management and Canadair was very poorly managed. And Bombardier made huge improvements at Canadair, and got the project to upgrade the Challenger into a regional jet (the CRJ)_ Bombardeir grew into world leader for transit and 3rd largest commercial aircraft maker. Not sure at what point the bad management decisions came, but by 9-11, it was definitely there. It was interesting to hear that during its last years, the CRJ programme was losing money. How could Bombardier be losing money on an existing aircraft with all production/tooling already done? That appears to be terrible management to me.

@arakwar

4 жыл бұрын

They were competent enough to secure a huge government check before scraping off the company. IMO, this isn't bad management, it's just management that doesn't care about the company.

@brenner5147

4 жыл бұрын

@@arakwar Management which does not care about the company it is managing probably wouldn't be too good for the company though, right?

@Mocha_122

4 жыл бұрын

One of my family's relatives also worked for Bombardier. I'm not sure which part he worked on as I'm not very close to him but all I was told was that management was bad and stressful. He's retired now but I was told when I asked my dad weather he still worked at Boeing or not my dad told me he works for Bombardier and worked on private jets instead. I still remember as a kid I recieved many Boeing souvenirs.

They also sold their train program to Alstom

@francoisunger6466

4 жыл бұрын

Yes they did so what's remaining of Bombardier?

@cedricye1767

4 жыл бұрын

@@francoisunger6466 Just private jets. Kinda sad, isn't it?

@francoisunger6466

4 жыл бұрын

@@cedricye1767 yes it is the A220 is a marvellous piece of engineering which was no easy task to develop and they don't get the credit for it. For the trains they have been working with Alston for some time so it's sad for Canada but overall I think it's fine

@jfmezei

4 жыл бұрын

Technically, not done yet. Expect EU decision now on July 31, and transaction closing sometime in 2021. There will be divestitures (BBD Zefiro, Alstom Coradia Polyvalent and a few others). Also, Aerostructures not yet concluded (being sold to Spirit Aerospace). Have to wonder if this transaction will be done.

@hizi1212

4 жыл бұрын

Ohhh I forgot lmao they actually ride in nyc

I like how Boeing Got a Slice of Karma after starting the C-Series Dumping petition

@astrofission1041

4 жыл бұрын

Dave Daniels Mmk let’s calm down lmao

@davidliu2243

4 жыл бұрын

r/instantkarma (not very instant but whatever)

@shamrock141

4 жыл бұрын

@mr sir *cough* 737-max *cough*

@shamrock141

4 жыл бұрын

@mr sir yup and because of that hundreds died even though there were numerous reports from pilots complaining about MCAS before the first crash. Boeing got slack with their standards to compete with Airbus and now it's cost them

@AverageAlien

4 жыл бұрын

@mr sir Lol boeing has to use the government to suppress competition cheap af

You overlooked the #1 reason they failed -corporate governance and structure. The decendents of the original founding families kept very strict control of the company. Even though the company was publicly traded the shares voting structure essentially gave a couple families almost unfettered control over the operations of the company. They treated it like their personal piggy bank and took out many millions of dollars for themselves even as the company was bleeding money. They demonstrated poor judgement in how to run an actual business and this eventually led to the company running out of cash, despite many government bailouts that came from the families tight political connections

@bettyboop-xg6jo

4 жыл бұрын

Like Irving then.

@byhisello

4 жыл бұрын

You nailed it. Despite many advantages relative to Embraer, it failed where the Brazilians succeeded.

@vincentgoudreault9662

4 жыл бұрын

Poor governance is actually reason #1 through #5.

@that90skid72

3 жыл бұрын

Bombardier execs had no idea on how to run their company. When I worked for them, I perfectly recall them making foolish decisions one after the other. Like doubling production rates at a time when this was impossible...bosses and execs never ever bothered taking the right information and data before making any decisions. And then wondered why things weren't going the way they were supposed to. Also, it was the single company I worked for where upper management never ever got to meet middle or lower management. Just because they thought so highly of themselves (based on what, IDK...). I was more than happy when Alstom bought them over.

@that90skid72

3 жыл бұрын

@Craig C I would also add the very poor integration of its subsidiairies all together. It was everyone for himself, with a total whatever - laissez-faire attitude. I recall subsidiaries fighting one another all the time despite us belonging to the same corporation...

Being from Canada, I've watched the growth and fall of Bombardier over the decades. It was never a roaring success -- ever. It required continuous subsidies and favored treatment from government contracts just to stay viable. The company started as a snowmobile manufacturer, and it may have tried to reach too far towards the moon. I think the C-series/A220 was their best project, but it drove them to bankruptcy. They should've partnered with a larger manufacturer from the start.

@highlypolishedturd7947

4 жыл бұрын

Yup, me too... It's been a soap opera the whole time. They've always been 'so close', and 'just a bit more government help'. It's a bit sad to see it decline, but they never could quite stand on their own two feet.

@tomstanton5710

4 жыл бұрын

The personal arrogance and incompetence of the family did them in.

@tomstanton5710

4 жыл бұрын

@Landru Jayrod Unfortunately those millions are predominately the taxpayers. In my opinion their assets should be seized for no other reason than that after the last big bailout they immediately paid themselves huge bonus' even though the company was going under.

@upperleftcoastchelseafan7718

4 жыл бұрын

Back in the 70's my family got into snowmobiling and my dad was a loyal Ski-Doo buyer, the band Bombardier manufactured. I still remember when he bought a couple of TNT 440's to go along with the mid level line we already had. They were some bad-ass fast machines back in the day. They should have stuck with snowmobiles and ATV's, stayed the hell out of manufacturing planes (at least stayed away from the bigger jets and buying Lear).

@TRPGpilot

4 жыл бұрын

@Ladh 70 Cite references for your statements or sit down and shut up, you are embarrassing us now . . .

It's funny how whenever Canada comes up with a really good plane, The US finds some way to ruin it for the Canadians. Remember the Avro Arrow anyone??

@CoCoNuT-dq7ez

4 жыл бұрын

Well the usa is on the brink of collapse so I'm happy

@Sh9168

4 жыл бұрын

@@CoCoNuT-dq7ez If the commie socialist cause the country to collapse I promise the world will not be happy.

@c.i.a9138

4 жыл бұрын

Steven H. Just admit it...I’m American and yes I’m in the CIA

@marcoa.7280

4 жыл бұрын

@@Sh9168 Socialist cause? Cold war ended 30 years ago. Grow up.

@paulpark1170

4 жыл бұрын

Don’t forget the “Jetliner”, 10 years before the 707

Bombardier also had a massive train division and they sold it off (to Alstom). Had no idea about the aerospace side facing a similar fate, dang

The arrogance of the inept board of directors is the single, direct cause of its downfall and the sad loss of so many talented staff

@unepintade

4 жыл бұрын

Atleast those losses wouldn't go to work for Boeing

Bombardier's downfall is CHIEFLY the result of completely inept management. The Learjet 85 was, from the ONSET, an aircraft that would have been heavier when empty than the Challenger 300, but lighter at maximum take-off weight (indicating extremely inefficient structure, the result of the intention to have it made 'cheaply' with composites that would not be cured in autoclave, except that the manufacturing was supposed to be made in Mexico -- for the cheaper labor -- at 1820 m above sea level!) with a smaller cabin, lower cruise speed, lower range and essentially same price. And that design was launched at the same time as the CSeries and the Global 7000, meaning there were not enough engineers around to do the work simultaneously and that ALL programs were late as a result. After Rober E Brown was dismissed as CEO, Beaudoin jr. took over, and everything started going bad. Every single project, which were until then completed in 4 or 5 years, started taking 7 or 8 years. Trying to make something cheap means that will end up costing more, be late and done badly.

You also forgot just bad management.

I absolutely love these short but informative and well documented videos👍

I think that the downfall started when Boeing used the advantage of being a U.S. manufacturer as leverage to tax the C-Series program. A great plane plagued by unfair competition. You don’t see Bombardier taxing 300% on Boeing jets in Canada

well i think "boeing" is what killed Bombardier

@drormaor8134

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed. In an industry where only a few thousand pieces are manufactured each year, competition from the small guy is impossible.

@Kryptictails

4 жыл бұрын

@@drormaor8134 yes sad to see bom-bar-dee-a go :(

@robo1p

4 жыл бұрын

@@drormaor8134 idk, bombardier was pretty close to killing the 737 Max-7 with their CS300. If boeing didn't get the government to put massive tariffs on them, they'd probably still be around.

@1Legofilms

4 жыл бұрын

Especially because Delta stated they were not interested in the 737 as their smallest offering had about 20 more seats than the CS100's they ordered

@Al-hb2wo

4 жыл бұрын

i agree 2

America is that super competitive friend that will try to win at any cost

It is indeed a good brand with great product line. Wish them all the very best.Keep flying...

It's worth pointing out here that Bombardier's fate is no different from Embraer's (E-Jet programme) with both having been swallowed whole by the global Commercial Aeorspace duopoly that is Airbus-Boeing as soon as they launched products which could challenge them.

Just because you are born into the family doesn't mean you're smart enough to run the company. Incompetence at it's highest.

@rcairflr

3 жыл бұрын

Pierre Beudoin had to be the biggest idiot ever in the history of Bombardier. So yes, I agree wholly with your comment.

I feel that all this smaller componies really dont get much of the attention (good attention ) that they need .

@HuggleNuts

4 жыл бұрын

Government involvement in private business, especially in the form of bailouts, ensure garbage oligopolies.

Developpement cost of the Cseries, the failed Learjet 85 and the Global 7500 all at the same time. This costed 10+ billions in a short period of time 2008 to 2020

@nick4556

4 жыл бұрын

Crj1000 and gx8000 also developped almost at the same time

@marc-andrebourret8447

4 жыл бұрын

The GX8000 is the Global 7500 (and 8500). But you're absolutly right about the CRJ1000, it did not sold well 😥

That's interesting as I am a A&P technician and I still see new Global 5500 series aircraft coming in for paint to my FBO that I work in.

i worked as an A/P aircraft mechanic with the CRJ 100 of DELTA/ COMAIR in Orlando,Fl. The acft. was a good workhorse ,but required extensive structural maintenance; aside from the regular checks that we performed. Other than that, the acft was pretty good. Good memories of those days.

Any time that Boeing feels any competition, they just scream and cry until they get their way. They did it when AirBus released the A320 Neo, and ended up making a dangerous aircraft, and they did it again when Delta ordered aircraft from Bombardier.

@ryan_n05

4 жыл бұрын

@Dave Daniels Boeing, yes, US, no. Calm down. We just need a president who, you know, isn't a psychopath.

@ecoRfan

4 жыл бұрын

It doesn’t just happen naturally that something like Boeing gets crushed double.

Bombardier is love Bombardier is life My favourite is the Q400

@cedricye1767

4 жыл бұрын

*was I suppose you don't like private jets do you?

@rednightfire2655

4 жыл бұрын

@@cedricye1767 well I can't really afford to fly on one but it's not like I don't like them

@cedricye1767

4 жыл бұрын

​@@rednightfire2655 ok

@skylineXpert

4 жыл бұрын

Sas had a lot of problems with the q400. Some named it Crash 8.

@drormaor8134

4 жыл бұрын

@@skylineXpert the only plane I'd nickname "crash" is the DC-10. Just hearing the name makes me nervous

Blame Boeing and their legal challenge against Bombardier, the CS100/300 or A220-100/300 is a beautiful aircraft, carefully made and very popular with customers. Boeing's legal challenge ruined a great brand, and reduced competition. Meanwhile Boeing developed an aircraft, the 737 Max programme, which has accounted for loss of lives and is still to be recertified for safe service. I would happily get on an A220, but not a 737Max.

I didn’t realize they sold the other 2 programs, I only knew about the C-Series, I really like bombardier, and really hope they can make a comeback in the near future

The Future is Privat jets!! Bombardier 💪🤘🏻

@dave8599

3 жыл бұрын

not with all the global warming hysteria.

I still think Bombardier still has a lot of potential and can bounce back from this. Afterall Canadians don't give up. :)

@anthonymorris5084

4 жыл бұрын

I'm sure Quebec and the Feds will be writing plenty of cheques for them real soon.

@vincentgoudreault9662

4 жыл бұрын

Nope. The point is that they unwisely got rid of all the technical design people. Those that could be sold along a product line went away to the new owner. Those who remained to complete the Global programs have just been issued pink slip. The company thinks it can keep selling their current product; but in one year, the Gulfstream G700 will enter service (it is flight testing now) with a larger cabin than the Global 7500, more range and using less fuel. And there is no one left to design a response. Even assuming that they could find the funds to finance a new derivative, the expertise and experience is *gone*.

The regional airline industry which WAS Bombardier’s bread and butter saw substantial scaling back. What was left was captured by Embrair and their 170 and variants.

Could you do a video on Mitsubishis aviation past

@SimpleFlyingNews

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback. - TB

@conchfritter

4 жыл бұрын

Simple Flying this would be a great video

I really miss Bombardier Dash 8 Q series. Philippine Airlines have them.

@bbbl67

4 жыл бұрын

They're still being made, they've just gone back to their original name De Havilland Dash 8 Q-series.

@ZC_Offcials

4 жыл бұрын

@@bbbl67, yah.

Cool video

@SimpleFlyingNews

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback. - TB

The fall of companies like this are never due to one factor alone.

Bombardier is such a big deal historically and politically here in Québec. Founded by Joseph Armand Bombardier in the town of Valcourt making snowmobiles then in the 1970's made it's first train (MR-73) for the Montréal metro to then make planes. Seeing it now especially when they sold off there train division to Alstom was a huge blow to the province and really impacted me and especially the Québec government. At least Alstom will put it's North American headquarters in Montréal to compensate for it.

Insted of North America and European orders bombardier would have looked into Asia Pacific markets like India Indonesia Malaysia and other countries where large number of budget carriers are operating from Indigo airlines,Garuda Indonesia,citilink,Air Asia etc would saved bombardier from collapse

TORONTO, CANADA JULY 2020/TTCAD/ Air Canada is proud to support Canadian innovation and engineering with the introduction of 45 Airbus A220-300 aircrafts to our fleet, with the inaugural flight on January 16, 2020. Providing the best-in-class customer experience for flights within North America, the Quebec-made A220-300 features wider Economy seats and extra legroom, along with ample aisle and overhead storage space, larger windows, and lower in-cabin noise levels for a quieter, more pleasant flight. We’re proud to have been named Best Airline in North America for the third consecutive year as we continue to provide our customers with the utmost in comfort, technology and innovation. The addition of the A220 to our ever-growing fleet reflects our ongoing commitment to providing our customers unparalleled performance, and our desire to be at the forefront of the global aviation industry.

A real shame. Always loved Bombardiers. Thanks for the CSeries! Great legacy.

Talk about having all the tools for success but being mismanaged into oblivion.

Bombardier airplanes are really safe tbh

Bad mismanagement at the top, inability to assess risk, plus poor governmental economic policy that allowed the divestitures to happen. One of the most epic corporate manufacturing failures and a shame for Canadian trade and economic prowess. The future case study of *what not to do*

This is sad. Bombardier had so much potential. I think we should try to save it

Great video, it's missing the costly development of what was called the Global 7000-8000, now renamed Global 7500. Bombardier biggest problem was his own CEO who launched 3 big projects almost at the same time (Cserie, Learjet 85, Global 7500), of coarse Boeing didn't help but the cash flow was really a big problem.

@tsifty1

Жыл бұрын

And yet that CEO (P.B) still is present like as if he brought success to his family jewel.

Fun fact, Bombardier gave our college a Global 7500 for free. Double fun fact, my college rests on the original DeHavilland Canada factory

Great planes, international markets very fickle. Sad situation isint it! 😢

You forgot to mention Shorts in Belfast.

boeing wow your a genius

I'm thinking that there might be an uptick in demand for private jets due to the pandemic. I've seen a bombardier video touting their new air filtration system. This could keep them in business...at least for a while.

Bombardier: *builds the best new narrowbody* Also Bombardier: *basically goes under*

I find it suprising that Bombardier's private jets are so prominently advertised all over Africa and sell well as a result. Why did they not spend as much money on their commercial planes/airliners? The Brazilians were clearly out marketing them.

it was the fault of Boeing, I am happy that things are out of track at Boeing. the a 220 is my favourite aircraft.

@Waddle_Dee_With_Internet

4 жыл бұрын

Now let's wait for Comac to kill both Boeing and Airbus :D Now I'm a Comac fan and I'm no longer an airbus fanboy.

@scottishtransportvideos264

4 жыл бұрын

Airbus a220 is boring and too common

@kornelpesti787

4 жыл бұрын

@@scottishtransportvideos264 I totally don't get it... too comon?

@kornelpesti787

4 жыл бұрын

@@Waddle_Dee_With_Internet interesting... I don't think I will ever be a comic fan, they literally copy western jets (my opinion) the regional jet (I forgot the name)=717 c190=a320 I don't think I ever be a comic fan

@Waddle_Dee_With_Internet

4 жыл бұрын

@@kornelpesti787 "Comic fan"

Well they still have snowmobiles to fall back on eh?

This is unfortunate. I love to fly on those jets. They’re rock solid and the most comfortable small jet I’ve ever flown on.

Last time i was this early my family was still alive

@chrislohphotography

4 жыл бұрын

lol dark.

I'm really surprised this video makes no mention of the world economic crisis that occurred right when the C-Series was finally fully certified. Or the struggles Bombardier's massive Rail Division had meeting deadlines and staying profitable.

From what I have seen working at the company as a contractor their management was extremely lacking and unbending in the ways it treated its employees as well as contractors.

@tsifty1

Жыл бұрын

They still do practice this and even worst now…

We remember,audited this too

This is so sad. Canada deserves better, we really do.

I had an idea it was going bad for them, but not this bad. What a shame, they were a bright spot in our tech sector.

A vid about Scandinavian aviation

I think bombardier might join airbus that would be really cool to see

The amount of govt subsidies given to this family run company speaks to the corruption of the elites who run Canada. Can’t say I shed a tear for its demise, but the family has not surprisingly done fine.

C Series: Sold by the Notable Aircraft Manufacturers Dash 8: Sold by the Neighbors CRJ: Sold by a Car Company

@joshuajoe1419

4 жыл бұрын

I think that Mitsubishi Heavy Industries helps with the B787 however I’m not sure.

@steinwaldmadchen

4 жыл бұрын

@@joshuajoe1419 Yes. But they were also the lead developer of YS-11(the only commercial aircraft Japanese made postwar), sole developer of MU-2 (a Beachcraft sized turboprop) and MRJ, and made a few military aircraft exclusively for JSDF. They are never comparable to even Embraer, but assuming they can just make cars are naive at best.

@Hahlen

4 жыл бұрын

Mitsubishi used to make planes

@joshuajoe1419

4 жыл бұрын

steinwaldmadchen thanks makes sense that they bought the CRJ project.

@kwangmyongsong4887

4 жыл бұрын

Mitsubishi also made planes for japan in ww2 (the worst in the war lol)

I never understood why Boeing went after Bombardier with such hatred...did they get a raw deal selling DeHavilland?

Well, that sucks. All that remains is a few engineers and their products' pasts haunting them.

@vincentgoudreault9662

4 жыл бұрын

No, the design engineers are essentially all gone. Sold along with the product lines, and for the remaining ones, forced in early retirement or laid-off.

I think the stamp on the CS200 is an error: it should read "given".

The main part of the problem started when they made Bombardier Recreation Products a completely separate company. BRP made most of the money in the company with motorcycles, Sea Doos, Ski Doos , ATVS and Quad track vehicles.

4:44 = US govt. killed it.

@johniii8147

4 жыл бұрын

No It was already well on its way

@ggqbc

4 жыл бұрын

Karma sucks... Look at the 737. When you begin having those advantages then you will start to make a bad product and make moves that normally you wouldn't do... And that's what they did... Made a dangerous aircraft

@DiamondAviation727

4 жыл бұрын

@@ggqbc I thought in 2020 I would stop seeing these comments about the "dangerous" MAX, but it looks like nobody actually does research and talks with real pilots to understand it was more of an issue with airline training than the actual aircraft.

@Hyperus

4 жыл бұрын

@@DiamondAviation727 The only reason MCAS was in place the way it was, is to sell more aircraft. The reason being the pilot training costs. The Airlines knew as little as the pilot. For all they knew it was a new B737 that flew like the old ones, which is what MCAS was there to ensure.

@DiamondAviation727

4 жыл бұрын

@@Hyperus MCAS wasn't to sell more aircraft. In fact talking to SWA pilots who knew about it, the MCAS system is almost never activated while flying, so the aircraft flew without the system fine. It only activated when the natural CoG of the aircraft caused the aircraft to naturally nose up, the system would kick in and would use the cockpit trim system to put the nose down. All it was is a trim system, nothing huge like people say it is. If you were a properly trained pilot, you would have seen the trim pushing the aircraft too far down, then continued with the runaway trim system checklist according to an SWA pilot. Two switches are what could have saved the two crashed MAX aircraft.

If they still own the Challenger series they're ok because the Challenger 300-350 is awesome.

@francoisgagnon3716

4 жыл бұрын

Bombardier aviation still own Learjet, Challenger and Global family, not to bad.

@_Seagie

3 жыл бұрын

@@francoisgagnon3716 I think the stock could be a buy now, might hop in at $0.50 range on monday

I have 20 years experience on Global express and I have avoided working on any other airframe. When 10 employees in a 12 hour shift have the productivity of 1 person working for 2 hours. That's all I got to say about that.

true, in Asia the CRJ are now called Mitsubishi Regional jet

Bad management..

@ecoRfan

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. Completely mismanaged. They gave everything they had into the C Series, but it cost them their life. Somehow they didn’t know how to market it. And the US Government (and Boeing) made it even worse and ended up giving a victory to arch rival Airbus. This is quite a tragic story.

It's a shame that a company that had such a great showing in a monopolized market met a fate like this. I hope they can make it back into the aircraft manufacturing market.

That C plane is a good product

Well they had a too wide variety of products, I profoundly regret the sales of the CS-300 series to Airbus even if I understand the reason, regarding the Dash and the CRJ it was better for Bombardier but they should keep the GLEX and CL series they have been doing a great job at it love to fly the GLEX and hopefully one day I’ll be flying the vision or the 7500 it would be nice to finish my career on this bird ! 😃

The Boeing case was a certain kick in the teeth for them.

@ecoRfan

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah like double. It ended up handing a huge win to their arch rival. Probably the last thing they wanted.

In my opinion. Greed, mismanagement, projects with cost overruns, missed deliveries, quality control issues. BART in San Francisco has issues with the new cars, New York subway and Toronto streetcars are dealing with ongoing issues with the cars.

*******air India was operating crj aircraft early 2010and some private carrier's operating bomrider in present time*****

Can you do an update of MRJ???

@SimpleFlyingNews

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback. - TB

@Wrighjj

4 жыл бұрын

It became the SpaceJet, then disappeared.

Great video!! I think boring basically ruined bombardier because they realised that they were becoming bigger and feared the competition. Boeing are just so big that they literally have control over everything 😂

@Internetsfinest1

4 жыл бұрын

Dave Daniels oh I mean I don’t like them but jeesh

@ecoRfan

4 жыл бұрын

Boeing may likely go down next. Until the US Government starts WW3 and bankrolls Boeing to save them. Boeing is outrageously mismanaged.

But hey! We at least have the new global 5500 and 6500 now!

I knew about the C series but... Uh... Bombardier is my favorite plane manufacturer... Im kinda sad now that i know about the rest...

Yeah, 22 Skidoo.

What's gonna replace the crj200s?

Bombardier knew they would never make money from commercial aircraft, but their high end business jets rake in the cash. They divested the unprofitable to focus on the profitable. Good business decision I would say. Their business jets are the best.

I see most of the comments citing boeing/us government but its not just them. I think what really killed is Mitsubishi, Airbus, and Boeing and the fact that bombardier wasn't doing so well since it had a high debt. These are the multiple factors I think that led to bombardier only producing private jets

3:41 Croatia Airlines :)

It was the same with Fokker, great technology very realiable but to small to stand up against the big guys. So every finacial back drop could be leathel. You can’t keep that up for a long time.

@steinwaldmadchen

4 жыл бұрын

In fact, same with founding members of Airbus

Boeing is a monster! a small company rising and trying to seuceed, and boeing just wrecks them even if they have advantage.

@harrisn3693

4 жыл бұрын

It is because Americans won’t let Boeing just die already like they did with Ford.....

@alexzhang2920

3 жыл бұрын

Its not boeing's bad. Its bombardier's strategy problem. The market break through shall not be made in north america which is the home base of boeing, nor EU which is the home base of AB, but the oriental asia. China got big money and its already big but still growing market. If BA made a cooperative deal with China in commercial plane, the whole big advantage will be in pocket of canadians. And in China, boeing and AB almost could do nothing about it. But now Chinese C919 is on the way, as a counter player of A220. This aircraft was possibly be a bombardier shared project. Sad.

@amkgskjsi3840

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexzhang2920 trur

Bombardier was an amazing company while it lasted, it’s sad to see it slowly die out...

Hi

The C-series was just dirty play by Boeing; Bombardier never had to eat the dirt with that program, and they could have established a firm foothold and a competitive market with the Giants, Airbus and Boeing

@steinwaldmadchen

4 жыл бұрын

Had not Airbus take CSeries, they would be in a position dumping both A319NEO and used A319CEO to customers, stopping them from ordering the former by any means. And they have the reason to do so - A319NEO is just 5% behind CS300 in terms of fuel burn. While still uncompetitive Airbus could try to make up with aggressive financing and pricing in a way Bombardier unable to. Meanwhile, even CS300 success, CS500 is in the heartland of MAX (a.k.a 7M8) while A20N is equally competitive. That would be an uphill battle for Bombardier.

Bombardier was heavily diversified and maybe stretched too thin. One thing I wonder about, would COVID-19 had happened a year or two earlier, would it have kept its C-Series and ramp up marketing?

It is a family company that could not recapitalise without the family losing control - losing their jobs and social position in Canada.

Bombardier is now focusing in their railway and industrial business, so bombardier decided to sell their aircraft and ending the Bombardier Aerospace with some private jet and some rumors that it will sell the division to Textron.

@vincentgoudreault9662

4 жыл бұрын

No, they are about to sell the railway division to Alstom. You are quite a bit out of touch, aren't you?

@airworthy777

4 жыл бұрын

@@vincentgoudreault9662 I think so, I just realized that Bombardier Transportation is selling to Alstom.

On One hand it’s a real shame bombardier lost the CSeries program as that delta deal would’ve made them into a key player in the US market. But on the other hand boeing unknowingly screwed themselves my allowing their main competitor airbus to step in a end up with a free plane that will dominate a market that boeing hasn’t been able to touch. Airbus basically did a “why don’t you pick on someone your own size”

Lear 85, C Series and other programs closely launched at almost the same time was a catastrophic decision. They did not have the engineering resources to spread across multiple programs. As well, risk sharing partnerships required massive communication across continents which created delays. Top level management did not understand how a tightly coordinated engineering design office in the same physical location for an entire program will outperform multiple external offloaded supplier/partners with their own agendas.

@vincentgoudreault9662

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Even Airbus wisely waited until they were finished with the A380 before launching the A350, and almost finished with that one before launching the A320neo. Same at Boeing: the 737MAX was not started until the 787 was completed.

Boeing is honestly just tasting the karma of taking such an eager company out of business.

@ecoRfan

4 жыл бұрын

As an American it’s devastating. Boeing is so horribly mismanaged and at this rate and with the coronavirus pandemic, I almost don’t care if they go under. The 787 is the only solid product Boeing has currently.

As an American even I am appalled by most of Boeing's business practices.

The only good aspect is that Airbus bought the C Series not Boeing.

@ricahrdb

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. For Airbus it was beneficial to gain production capacity in North America where Boeing would have probably closed the production line and moved everything to the US. In the long term the deal with Airbus might turn out to be very positive for the aerospace industry in Canada.

They have made some of the best products in any industry.... they bring real value to the end user. The so called big companies do nothing because its risky and as a result we lose get poor value for our money, while they get fatter.

100% this corporation died due to beaudoin family not giving up control. They could have issued massive amounts of shares (like tesla) and kept all it divisions, but this would have dilited beaudoins. In 2018 tesla and bombardier had identical balance sheets. Bombardier had planes, trains and more. Sold it all to France. They should have kept their spirit and explored drone development for transportation. Canada is a bad business hub, they used to compete with the best in the US, but have pretty much given up. I dont know how far this will go, but highly talented canadians are already leaving for the US. Some have even gone to Tesla.

@jasont.hansen3103

4 жыл бұрын

Canadian 'brain drain' always been there but is much worse in quebek.