The Red Pyramid's strange inner sanctum
The Red Pyramid of Dahshur is the most commonly attributed monument for the burial of pharaoh Sneferu. A superficial look at the pyramid makes it appear to adopt classic mastaba defensive principles.
When taking a closer look at significant design features, the Red Pyramid seems to abandon the opportunity to be the most secure pyramid ever built. Instead, it's pyramid complex remains incomplete and the mystery of its 'hidden' upper chamber is laid bare.
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Keith Hamilton's guide to the Red Pyramid can be found here:
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Eratta: The Bent Pyramid has a longer descending corridor, but being fractured it couldn't be plugged as much.
0:00 Intro
1:28 Red Pyramid nickname
2:02 Snefru's 3 pyramids
3:05 Tomb security
3:55 [correction] 2nd longest corridor
4:20 Pyramid entrance
5:24 Descending corridor plugging?
6:16 Locating the upper chamber
7:34 Upper corridor ceiling
9:36 No camouflage evidence
10:37 Upper floor excavation
13:39 Search for burials
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I'd love it if it turned out that the upper chamber floor and the corridor to it were intentionally left that way by the builders to make it look like it had already been looted if any looting party came and attempted to loot it. Would be interesting to see if muon tomography reveals any hidden chambers in the future.
@kragary
Жыл бұрын
I like the way you think!
@afterthought3341
Жыл бұрын
The back wall of last chamber above the " conspicuously dark stone" could be a lintel ? Ancient architect did a vid on it. The looters may have been close but dug the wrong direction?
@BottleBri
Жыл бұрын
I have often thought it would be very clever if the builders built the ‘kings chamber’ and deliberately left it empty to make looters think they were not the first in. And that suspicious non load bearing block right next to the sarcophagus NEEDS investigated asap. Some muon detection of that wall would show up any passages behind it. Maybe they’ll look in the next 30 years.
@newdefsys
Жыл бұрын
Its hard to say. The Red Pyramid was built during the Fourth Dynasty, ancient Egypt's 'golden age' and the Kingdom was already hundreds of years old at that time. It would have been exceedingly difficult for contemporary Egyptians to imagine a future without the kingdom intact and so security measures were surely seen from a different perspective while planning the construction of the pyramids. Also, Ötzi (the iceman) who lived in the Alps region of Europe at about the same time as the founding of the early Egyptian kingdom had the curious feature of his shoes being made of deer skin leather for the uppers and bear skin leather for the soles, which is confusing because bear skin is much thinner than deer skin. It would have made more sense to make the soles with the deer skin and the upper with bear skin. It just shows that humans thought about things differently back then, (what made sense to them makes no sense to us, today). We can only guess as to what thought process' the Egyptians used to make decisions, but one thing for certain, we would have had a hard time understanding those decisions.
@chriskimandchloe9397
Жыл бұрын
It was used to mass produce chemicals. Go watch land of chem if u want ur mind blown…
I get the impression that there was some sort of megalithic structure already there, and they considered it sacred - so they built the pyramid on top, preserving the old rocks underneath (hence such a sharp contrast) I actually visited that pyramid in May 2021. I was shocked that there was absolutely nobody there except 1 guard at the door. I went down there alone (my guide stayed out) and the tunnel had no lights. Climbing down there alone with only my phone flash was a horribly uncomfortable experience, and I couldn’t wait to get out of there. I think they have lights now.
@Widowmaker2828
Жыл бұрын
I think that is so cool you were able to do that but yeah it definitely sounds spooky by yourself with just a phone flashlight. 😀
@lukasausen
Жыл бұрын
better bring a buddy next time hahaha, id be shoock if the guide didnt want to go with me and i had to go alone, but still must have been a unique experience.
@robertrust9223
Жыл бұрын
That's odd, I was there in June 2019, also having the pyramid all to myself for hours without a guide, but it was fully, fairly well lit. Definitely a perplexing place, enjoyable to explore. In June, one gets to have many ruins to oneself, even only 3 or 4 people inside the great pyramid. It was low, low season, I travelled everywhere seeing everything. Ancient humanity was a different breed than us, obviously knowing something critically important about Earth and Nature we've forgotten about. To explore all the ruins of Egypt is to feel like an ant looking at a castle and wondering, standing in the shadow of perfectionist giants that mysteriously aren't around but still ominously dominate.
@j.g.campbell3440
Жыл бұрын
Yeah. Must have been very spooky/ unsettling with only the cell's flashlight. Most speleologists recommend 2 or 3 alternate light sources. I would have been somewhat more prepared, because I almost always carry a small tactical flashlight.
@jakeschlachter3104
Жыл бұрын
@Christopher Perry exactly, these are the real questions. How did they work the internal tunnels to perfection without any light to see??
These videos contain a rare depth of insight and common sense. Well done.
Just finished up watching this video! I watched all of them starting with the oldest. I really appreciate how you follow the clues and come up with well reasoned theories and/or conclusions! Matt from Ancient Architects sent me here and now I look forward to your next video 👍👍
@HistoryforGRANITE
Жыл бұрын
You binged them all? That’s fantastic!
@peterhorne7203
Жыл бұрын
@@HistoryforGRANITE Yep, and I learned some new things that nobody had brought up before!
@patriciaoudart1508
Жыл бұрын
@@HistoryforGRANITE I will do so too!... So interesting,and one mystery goes to one other, and my daughter is fan of french egyptology, we have a lot of books here, so I will digg myself, not in the king's chambers, but in that library. Great channel and Matt sent me here too, I don't regret!🙏💚🧡
@alexandrekassiantchouk1632
Жыл бұрын
Have you checked 3-minute "Egyptian Pyramids Start Making Sense" disclosing functionality and technology of Red Pyramid?
@Pauly421
Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately clickbait alien voodoo crap magic nonsense tends to get the views. This channel is a beacon of logic in a sea of nonsense.
I just want to say thank you for not being conspiracy focused. I really appreciate your alternative thinking, how you have a hypothesis and ideas worth exploring without turning it into power cables too great for just lighting and covert exploration with loud machines digging... like another YT channel.
@kacperwoch4368
Жыл бұрын
I agree, tho his language in some places keeps me on edge. Maybe i'm oversensitive to terms like "megalithic" and "mainstream egyptology" which are usually used by conspiracy nutcracks but so far he's proved to be very reliable.
@SpaceHippo420
Жыл бұрын
@@kacperwoch4368 Megalithic just means old monuments made of large stone. And mainstream Egyptology has been proven wrong in many many instances. I’m not a conspiracy theorist nut either but that doesn’t mean you should believe everything “mainstream Egyptology” tells you is fact. Like the old jars found under the steppe pyramid. They just don’t know everything and fill it in with guesses and call it “mainstream Egyptology”. They are afraid to say “we just don’t know.”
@secretnewmeta1981
Жыл бұрын
@@kacperwoch4368 There's good reason to talk about "mainstream egyptology" It's a handful of people with absolute control of the narrative who have made up their minds about ancient egypt and give very minimal proof for their claims. Many times they just say "trust me bro". In one case about the Sphinx we're still waiting for "evidence" to be published from the 1980s. Every single time they get asked they say "Soon."
@steviekngstn
Жыл бұрын
Ĺp4
@nsjx
Жыл бұрын
Hi, what channel is that?
Can't get enough of this superb content! Thank you!
Nothing compares to Egypt in human history. I'd love to time travel there and see it in all it's glory. Great video/
@MaGiCMushroomClouds
Жыл бұрын
In terms of scale maybe but otherwise India beats it like a rented mule. Not that I wouldn't sell my children to organ dealers for a seat in that time machine though.
@GrandAncientOak
Жыл бұрын
Same here. Would love to go to the golden age of every civilization to ever exist to get a peak at what it was like to be alive in those times.
@lostpony4885
Жыл бұрын
Thats not necessarily true.
@jasonz9902
Жыл бұрын
@@lostpony4885 it is an opinion. a subjective statement
@kevinclayton1656
Жыл бұрын
If you've never being to Egypt, my advice go and then go again because they is so much to see you cart possibly see everything in 2 week,I spent 1mth there cruise in down the nile and still missed loads
Your channel and ancient architects are my favorites
I love this channel!!!
@juniorballs6025
Жыл бұрын
Me too!
@nazarasaid8645
Жыл бұрын
me too !
@HistoryforGRANITE
Жыл бұрын
I love your enthusiasm!
*CONGRATULATION* on hitting 100k subs. I’m rewatching your older videos and just noticed your sub count. Please keep posting these excellent videos and know I will never take you (or them) for *granite* . All of your hard work is appreciated & I would like to offer the most heartfelt & sincere THANK YOU for creating such interesting, well done videos. Bravo sir, *BRAVO* 👏👏👏
@HistoryforGRANITE
Жыл бұрын
This is very kind, thank you so much. Lots of great stuff to come.
Another greatly interesting video, on an intriguing mystery. Please keep going!
It would be nice to see a video of your take on the suspicious blocks in the kings chamber, and the ‘window’ part way up the queens chamber northern shaft, and what you think about the possibilities of these anomalies. ?
Another amazing video. Always shows us something different than the rest. Thank you
History is often told in stone. I like your channel and the insights and conclusions you draw.
Awesome video mate. keep them up! I love your approach and your perspective ☺️
I found the modern "red" pyramid absolutely fascinating with the comparisons you drew with the two larger ones, and the other two supposedly by the same pharaoh. Thank you -- just brilliant analysis!
I was lucky enough on my honeymoon in 2011 to go inside the red pyramid and even into the floating burial chamber. it was and awesome experience. we also wanted to do the bent pyramid but it was still closed at that time. plz do an episode on the black pyramid plz as that one always interested me and I know little about it. cheers
Thank you! I love your videos, as I am fascinated by ancient Egypt. Keep up the great work
Thank you. I cannot get enough information on egyptian history. I have been fascinated since i was a small child. Just from a school library book. I would like to visit the pyramids again, since they have excavated so much more. Altho we visited the valley of the kings many times, we still didnt get to see many tombs because they always seemed to open mostly the same ones.
Great job as always! Very interesting and educational!
Perfect video, as always! Keep up the good work👍🏻
@HistoryforGRANITE
Жыл бұрын
Much appreciated!
I subscribe to the idea that none were used as burial but as places of ceremony or ritual.
@MURD3RWAVE
Жыл бұрын
Bam! Exactly what I've been thinking. Kings probably thought keeping subjects busy was a good thing so make some for the subjects. A person dies and is brought to a pyramid for some kind of ritual. Who knows what but it would be used in turns. Maybe bring the dead there after X days. Fam takes them to inner room. Leaves them in it overnight. Comes back and takes the dead out. Next day another fam with someone dead does the same thing. Years later it was people stopped doing it and looters thought it's just another kings tomb. From what I seen the security in some of them was very weak. Why make it weak with all that work? Unless it was not security at all. Who knows. I just think at least on of the pyramids was the peoples pyramid.
Awesome video with some great insight on this. Really enjoy your content thanks
Outstanding as always my friend 👍
My back really hated me after getting out of this one. :-) The corridor is really long. To me, this is the best pyramid I've been to. And I've been to Khufu as well.
the question remains... if the looters dug out another course to remove the larger items, how did they get them in to begin with ?
I love your videos, been waiting for a new one, hope you're all good and in production :)
@HistoryforGRANITE
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Yes I’ve been writing a lot - and the next video is recorded. I’ve got a special in the works that will be an hour long or more, might do a live premiere for it. It might be fun to do a live Q&A after with some special guests…
@masaharumorimoto4761
Жыл бұрын
@@HistoryforGRANITE That sounds AWESOME!!! Thanks for the update dude.
Love to see more on the other pyramids of Egypt. Lots of stuff about Giza, but not a lot about the other ones on you tube.
Another great and interesting video. Thank you, good sir! ❤
@HistoryforGRANITE
Жыл бұрын
Many thanks!
I was in this pyramid some years ago.The steep narrow ascent is an effort but what an experiance.
All your videos are great 👍
Your quote - only the stones can reveal! Wow! So true! I have spent 50 years studying Stonehenge - the people who built Stonehenge knew as long as the stones remained - the information would be carried. It is Written in Stone!
@lucasoheyze4597
Жыл бұрын
The "restoration" works in modern times renders Stonehenge an unsolvable mystery, it's literally impossible to know what the original builders had in mind.
Bravo! Fine Analysis! And, PS: I really learned something about Pyramid construction. Thank you.
The excavation of the floor is the result of the age-old looters prank: Robber 1"accidentally" drops his prying stick and exclaims surprised "You hear that? The floor is hollow!" Robber 2, conspirator, shouts "He is RIGHT, the floor DOES sound hollow. Others, hearing nothing special, but frustrated of not finding a spec of gold, start to think "Well if THEY hear it..." Not much later robber 1&2 disappear into the night with the camels and personal possessions of their fellow-looters..
Really enjoying your series
Another great video. Thank you so much!
The Bent Pyramid is also the only pyramid with 2 entrances and 2 separate internal passages. The idea that this pyramid is bent as a means of reducing weight on the unstable bottom section is imo ridiculous. The fact that this supposedly defective pyramid was, first of all completed and secondly still standing, throws a large spanner into this theory. There is a duality to the Bent Pyramid’s interior that is also evident in the bend and second entrance that is not seen in any other Egyptian pyramid. And it was clearly never intended to be a tomb.
@hansburch3700
Жыл бұрын
Form und Funktion stehen im Zusammenhang, nichts bei den Pyramiden war misslungen. Ein paar aufgeschlossene Techniker könnten das Ganze recht gut erklären.
@hr37ic
Жыл бұрын
@@hansburch3700 More than a few open-minded technicians have tried to explain it. Religious artefacts are rarely designed with mechanical functions in mind.
id love to hear your explanation/teachings of how mastava were protected by various means of security. very intriguing
Amazing Amazing Amazing! Thankyou History for Granite! My mind is blown everytime I see more videos like this!
I always learn something new with your videos.
14:10 "Unless the looting party who made this excavation was the dumbest of all time" I have seen it with my own eyes. A crew of 5 man dig 4 deep meters hole in the middle of the wood - because they were having a feeling, and because the place is having stories of holding a treasure. You really underestimate people on the hunt of treasures. It's actually more likely whoever enlarge the upper corridor have nothing to do with whoever dig that hole. Two different groups.
@kev3d
7 ай бұрын
Yes, I think a lot of things can be attributed to stubbornness or, given how long the Pyramids have been there, the passage of time has obscured how many people were there and what they were doing. It's easy for me to think that one group cleared out the burial chamber (if it was a burial chamber at all), then another group made a probe hole in the floor and gave up after finding nothing. Then years, decades, or even centuries later another group dug out more of the floor thinking the previous looters just didn't look hard enough. And then the next group thought "well there's a hole in the floor, something has GOT to be down there, and they dug further, and so on. There could have been a hundred different looting parties over the course of time, we just don't know.
12:32 what a good point, as well as the "the looters would have made a small hole to research". As a former urban explorer (urbex), I know of several separate occasions where the "small hole" approach was used for infiltration, there's no real need to make a grandiose entrance if your primary objective is to get from underground room A to underground room B.
Another very insightful vid. You da man. Always looking forward to your new posts. Keep up the awesome work 👍👍👍
@HistoryforGRANITE
Жыл бұрын
Comments like these are great encouragement!
@the.bronze
Жыл бұрын
@@HistoryforGRANITE my pleasure. Your work is unique and I thoroughly enjoy each new post
Thank you for such great videos!
So my only question is why would they not use the pyramid after putting so much effort into building it? If it was not used for burial, then what would it have been used for? Absolutely love your videos, I am learning SO much! Thank you for all the effort you put into these videos, they are absolutely excellent!
I completely agree with your skepticism about Sneferu's intent to use all of these as a burial place and growing dissatisfied with each. It would appear that it took most of the Kingdom's surplus resources to build one pyramid; and I think three by one Pharaoh for the same purpose doesn't make sense. There has to be a better explanation.
@kragary
Жыл бұрын
Maybe he was super paranoid about having his tomb robbed and willing to take extreme precautions to protect it, up to and including building decoy pyramids.
Awesome video. I have already watched this video multiple times :)
Bravo great work as always
How it really went down in Dashur... One pyramid says to the other "You received maximum plugging." The other pyramid turns red from embarrassment and says "No I didn't. Get bent."
@HistoryforGRANITE
Жыл бұрын
I think this is the solution.
When you consider that all three pyramids are attributed to one reign and that they are all different, you could almost imagine they were models, or the results of a competition.
@twandoncic
Жыл бұрын
Or different size power stations like energy companies
@robertoherkules8109
Жыл бұрын
all 3 are fails...he lost competition...the level of egoism to build that is just worst of a human state of mind,whole community put so much efford and resorces for one men deluded sickness which gived nothing in return we shouldnt said his name ever never...all pyramids are workers monuments not deepshits tomb they didnt help build cause they were bizzy soaking in blood of a calf goat
@mokiloke
Жыл бұрын
I agree, different building families (companies). Someone telling the pyramid he as all these new systems that are better than the old system. Then fails to deliver a satisfactory outcome.
@dco1019
Жыл бұрын
I think its probably more likely that all of them had a different purpose beforehand. this makes more sense to me. for example (and hypothetically) this pyramid is for my mother >this one is for my wife> and the most magnificent one of all is for ME. "build me three tombs on sacred ground and I see which one Iike best and discard the rest" seems like a dubious thought process. alternatively.. if they were build one after the other cause the previous one got compromised in some way that could make some sense.
@ddevil4980
Жыл бұрын
@@dco1019 except they have never found a mummy in any pyramid... They aren't tombs, it's just typical that when archeologists do not know, they call it a tomb..
Thank you for your videos. I learn a little more on every one.
Another excellent video. Thanks!
Excellent, unbiased view as always. High quality :)
@HistoryforGRANITE
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the nice words!
At 12:17 when you see the person in the video showing the size of the blocks excavated and massiviness of the burial chamber I could better understand the scale of this room. Another great video. Thanks for sharing.
Great job again.
So interesting! I hope you are going to do one one the Bent Pyramid-my favorite of all the Pyramids.
@HistoryforGRANITE
Жыл бұрын
kzread.info/dash/bejne/YqCW17OufKu5k7w.html
The pulley holes are not contemporary with the structure
@danpetitpas
Жыл бұрын
Why would you say this? It would have been fairly impossible for robbers to have made them. And we see them in other pyramids that were originally used to hold floors and lift stones.
I speculate just because pyramids might have been used as tombs, it doesn't necessarily mean they were built for that purpose. Pharaohs might have inherited pyramids built for another purpose, and being impressed by them, converted them into tombs for their own use. Also, if pyramids were originally built for another purpose, they might have utilized internal furnishings made from valuable materials which were then looted. One of many possibilities
@maxcool7351
Жыл бұрын
It also appears to me that these monuments were glorious tourist attractions, initially. Maybe someday Mount Rushmore might become a political burial chamber as well (but hopefully not suffer the same pseudo-science fate).
@nikosatsaves3141
4 ай бұрын
No. Pyramids were sealed and were only forced open by looters in most recent times. I bet there was no way any pharaoh would figure an easy way in due to the constraction technic applied to the entrances. They didnt even know were the secret entrance was unless they were the builders themselves. In conclusion, whoever built them had onnly one purpose in mind.
I just found your channel, I’m really enjoying your POV.
@HistoryforGRANITE
Жыл бұрын
Lots of great stuff to check out then!
Good stuff, man!
You should do a video about the proposed hidden chambers behind the wall of the kings chamber in the great pyramid. You probably know the theory that there may be two antechambers, similar to the red pyramids, behind a stone which seemingly doesnt support any weight in the kings chamber.
@HistoryforGRANITE
Жыл бұрын
Yes, I'll definitely be talking about that in future videos!
@yoanalexander
Жыл бұрын
@@HistoryforGRANITE I was thinking the same when I watched this new video! I wonder why investigation of this supposed hidden tunnel right next to the khufu sarcophagus was never done. I know that s few times drilling was allowed in the great pyramid in the past, but not on that spot. Or was there an attempt? It will be the greatest discovery if another untouched chamber lies hidden in the great pyramid!
@chriskelly2939
Жыл бұрын
Me too but I feel like Ancient Architects did a thorough investigation with that subject, unless we can get hands on new info
@scottzema3103
Жыл бұрын
Nothing shows in the muons. Pay attention to the science.
@Gravitacionimanevar
Жыл бұрын
@@scottzema3103 Maybe the big void is the thing i'm refering to, i'm all for science for sure!
Have you looked into The Land of Chem’s theory about the pyramids being plants to make basic chemicals, like the red pyramid being used to make aqueous ammonia as a basis for fertilitzer for crops?
Great video loved hearing this 👌
Excellent analysis!
When I was in Egypt on tour with Ben last year (Uncharted X) I was checking the east west alignment of the Red and the Bent pyramid with a compass app on my phone, the Red pyramid is 6 degrees off, and the Bent pyramid is true east west. To me, it indicates they were built at vastly different times, the Red being older and true north was different then. Even now we see the magnetic north pole on the move, and it's affecting travel that depends on its location. It appears the Bent pyramid was a later copy, and internally, it is very crude, made with a lesser talented labor pool. Granted a cell phone app perhaps isn't the best tool for the job, but that's the results I got.
@summerbreeze50
Жыл бұрын
all those pyramids' orientation have been carefully measured by researchers, Red Pyramid's north orientation is only off by 5'(0.08 degree), slightly worse than the Great Pyramid(0.05 degree), but still is one of the best among all pyramids. The north orientations of those mega structures are remarkably accurate, even in today's standard. A true engineering marvel.
@summerbreeze50
Жыл бұрын
you can see academic paper here:arxiv.org/vc/arxiv/papers/1302/1302.5622v1.pdf
@gerretw
Жыл бұрын
Wow - my phone wasn't off significantly. Amazing. What about the bent pyramid? Is it off or on?
@gerretw
Жыл бұрын
@@summerbreeze50 What my cell phone showed was there was a difference in orientation - and your link validates that: Dashur, south (‘Bent Pyramid’) Snefru 2613-2589 -0° 12!±2! Belmonte 2001: S2 -0° 12!±2! Belmonte 2001: S2 Dashur, north (‘Red Pyramid’) Snefru 2613-2589 -0° 5´ 0' Isler 2001: 158. Measured by Joseph Dorner
@adamerrington323
Жыл бұрын
Ben has no idea about masonry techniques and hard work. He thinks they had special technologies LOL.
Interesting! If looters dug into the floor looking for a burial chamber, that implies they thought it was a tomb, so if it wasn’t, then that knowledge was lost before the looting, so it would have to have been a long time between construction and the first looting. I’m not sure what the timeline is thought to be.
@juniorballs6025
Жыл бұрын
Bear in mind the builders would be long gone and the layouts would be forgotten. They probably thought there was untold jewels and gold under that next, in-the-way piece of stone. Probably within a generation or two the detail is lost
@jeffclites743
Жыл бұрын
@@juniorballs6025 Sure, I was more thinking, would they still know what the building was basically for-e.g., tomb vs temple vs some other specific use. Probably only in the tomb case would you expect riches to be left behind hidden.
@juniorballs6025
Жыл бұрын
@@jeffclites743 I'm sure they would have, there would have been myths and legends surrounding them, but how accurate they were is anyone's guess I suppose. Fascinating to think about 👍
Great video and great channel.
Excellent video. Thank you.
Great video! Thank you! A couple of questions and thoughts come to mind: The so called "pulley holes"; what evidence is there that they were an original detail? Could they not have been created by the tomb raiders to help the removal of whatever they were removing? Why would they remove the lower section of the inner entrance tunnel? To just remove the blocks from the floor of the "burial" chamber? What would be the point of that? Could they not have spent the time just breaking up the floor blocks in the chamber and then removing them if they needed the space? Could it be that there was a sarcophagus built into the floor and they needed to dig up the floor to remove it? I think I've seen examples where there is a locking mechanism for the sarcophagus built into the walls/floor, even sarcophagus built into the floor a little bit. Could that be what the grooves in the east/west walls are for? I noticed that the groove on (I think) the east wall looked like it had been chiselled out, perhaps to aid in the unlocking? Could that be the reason for the enlarging of the entrance tunnel, to remove the large sarcophagus and lower it to the floor of the lower chamber (using the freshly created pulley system) to then break it up to take up the entrance tunnel. Hmm, but if that was the case, why not just break it up in the burial chamber. I guess it's the same issue as enlarging the tunnel to remove the floor blocks. Anyway, fantastic series of videos and I can't wait for the next one! :) Thank you again!
@HistoryforGRANITE
Жыл бұрын
The pulley notches are inaccessible without some major scaffolding. Seems like by that point you wouldn't need them to get objects down. There are similar pulley logs in the Meidum pyramid, and it would be quite a coincidence for both to be later additions.
@GroberWeisenstein
Жыл бұрын
hindsight is 20/20
@teeanahera8949
Жыл бұрын
@@GroberWeisenstein that’s the wrong analogy for the unknown history of others.
@lfvett725
Жыл бұрын
Good questions and observations. I am wondering also where are the dug up stones from the floor..no need to carry or pull them out from the pyramid? They should be on the bottom of the second chamber. And think about the logistics of the looting crew, food, water, lightning (torches i guess, is there soot in ceilings?). I mean the work needed to make that destruction is enormous in that limited space and with primitive(?) tools.
@danpetitpas
Жыл бұрын
@@lfvett725 He covered that in the video. The stones were probably thrown down from above and broke on hitting the bottom. Later Egyptologists had no trouble removing the rubble of broken stones.
I loved exploring this pyramid wen I was in Egypt,it's beautifully made, the burial chamber is a fake, they is a different colour blocking stone that looks like it's leads to another chamber,
another interesting video, keep up the good work.
@HistoryforGRANITE
Жыл бұрын
I will!
Great channel!! Excellent!!
Interesting video, but why would the robbers dig deep into floor of the upper chamber to look for a potential burial chamber as opposed to all the other places they could have dug though? I don't see why not finding a burial would make the robbers choose this single place to attack over other possible locations of a hidden burial chamber. Maybe there was something about the floor that seemed suspicious to the robbers, but if that was the case then they would probably dig up the floor even if they did find a burial in the upper chamber. I will say I am open to the possibility that Sneferu was not buried in the red pyramid. I think it's possible that he had always planned to build both the bent and red pyramid, and could have chosen the bent pyramid for his burial. I don't think we can rule out a red pyramid burial based on the hole in the upper chamber though.
@bluerendar2194
6 ай бұрын
The back upper chamber would follow the same trend as the burial chamber location for the other pyramids, so it could've convinced the robbers they were in the right location. Perhaps the floor was ripped out in desperation since it *was* higher up than the others.
If I'm understanding your comment correctly ,they made the passage larger in order to push the excavated material (large blocks) through it and into the lower hallway where it will hopefully smash onto the floor. This doesn't seem right to me ,excavating that tunnel alone took a lot of work wouldn't it be easier to leave the tunnel alone and break up the stones in the chamber before removal? Why do they need to drop them onto the floor when the enlarged tunnel shows they have the skill to break through rock. Also I'm not sure that the stones would be broken up from the fall,if you are lucky one might break in half. Not that I have any better theory's,as usual nothing makes sense with the pyramids.
@HistoryforGRANITE
Жыл бұрын
Generally speaking, the pyramids themselves show Egyptians preferred to move larger blocks rather than chisel them down for easier transport.
@ThePolicenaut
Жыл бұрын
@@HistoryforGRANITE But they would have to chisel them down anyway once they hit the floor,I don't think they would smash into pieces upon impact. Although that leads onto another point,why even bother removing the debris after it's landed onto the floor? There seems to be plenty of space there to start to form a ramp with the waste And how would you safely drop debris from the top without taking out the scaffold? Unless they used a ladder which they retracted once in the room.
@HistoryforGRANITE
Жыл бұрын
@@ThePolicenaut It wasn’t the looters removing the stones out of the pyramid. That probably occurred many centuries later around the 26th Dynasty.
@ThePolicenaut
Жыл бұрын
@@HistoryforGRANITE I must have completely misunderstood , who excavated the floor and who excavated the tunnel ? Or are you saying each of those happened at different periods? Il have to watch the video again.
@philmccracken2012
Жыл бұрын
@@ThePolicenaut I know your comment was from two months ago but allow me to answer your question. Or at least try to. But I believe the looters were the ones that made the tunnel larger. So they could physically remove the burial treasures. Once the tunnel was big enough they could remove what they were trying to steal.
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This is a very good and interesting channel, Can't wait for more video! Btw, can you talk about the sphinx and it's mysteries?
@HistoryforGRANITE
Жыл бұрын
I must admit I don't find the Sphinx as interesting as the pyramids, but perhaps I can fit it in to a future video.
@agelesswarrior9100
Жыл бұрын
@@HistoryforGRANITE so you don’t think there’s any granite in the Sphinx?
@HistoryforGRANITE
Жыл бұрын
@@agelesswarrior9100 Just a bunch of gold, gems and ancient texts inside, nothing of interest really.
I find I'm a little sceptical of the architectural emphasis placed on defending from looters... that seems to undermine the status of the Pharaohs, to me, suggesting that they felt their timeless legacy was threatened by every bod with a pickaxe. I find it hard to believe that the sites were not, firstly, guarded and, secondly, it would surely be considered a traitorous act to even consider looting them. The Pharaohs hiding like otherwise defenceless victims from robbers... it just doesn't seem "kingly" to me. So, I would personally see the portcullis' and plugging blockages as rather more ceremonial acts i.e. creating a silent place where the Pharaohs rested undisturbed through time from the trivialities of the living world... rather than expressions of fear of looters etc. Obviously, pure conjecture, but the other, to my eye, seems to entirely contradict the Pharaoh's dominion and Godlike status.
@danpetitpas
Жыл бұрын
Well, we know some tombs were robbed very quickly after they were sealed. The quest for treasure overrode any respect for the Pharoahs.
Thank you, so could it be that these pyramids are isolation chambers where a high priest or pharaoh goes to meditate or some such. Sheltered from the prying gaze of the heavens. Isolated from the moon and sun and stars they are released to consider the subterranean gods / underworld and to bask in their influence. Did purpose commence with the esoteric and progress to burial (if at all) as the millennia progressed?
@davidyendoll5903
Жыл бұрын
And to have maybe a kip in a big stone box after a steep climb ?!! There are buildings outside these pyramids which add to the solution of what the big buildings were for . None look like chemical or electrical stations , no , they are religious in intent ......
Nice work!
Thank you and Kudos for your professionalism - History for Granite is probably the best and most informative YT channel I have come across concerning ancient Egyptian pyramids. When it comes to presenting sensible and credible hypothesis, I think mainstream Egyptologists could definitely learn a thing or two from you!
Another great video! Amazing work! How do you find such details? I am curious about your approach, you probably have some background in engineering/architecture. For example, I would never see the ceiling stone details of the tunnel towards the chamber (I am taking it for granite haha). I like how you give respect to mainstream egyptology too while still keeping reasonable critical thinking, unlike other channels that dwell very deep into conspiracies. I actually find this kind of research very interesting.
great video (as usual^^) if he built 3 pyramids, i would be interested to know how much (unlimited) money/gold Sneferu must have had 😉
@danpetitpas
Жыл бұрын
Egypt had plenty of food. It's possible the workers were paid in food.
@emmanuelcaldeira
Жыл бұрын
I once read, long time ago, that ancient Egyptian workers were paid with onions and garlic and maybe salt ...
History for granite is the most satisfying and detailed pyramid series ever. The best carbon dating only pushes the time line back a few centuries. The building capabilities are still unexplainable. Cutting, placing and hoisting the corbelling stones are perfect. What was the light source for tunnel workers, where's the soot from torches, air depletion from torches. Frustrating!
Fascinating ❤
Love this stuff. I'm still waiting for someone to explain how they move such large stones to such a height.
@GroberWeisenstein
Жыл бұрын
if they explained it to you would you accept it? and how would you know if their explanation was correct? unless, you already knew how it was done in which case why would you seek an explanation?
@mokiloke
Жыл бұрын
@@GroberWeisenstein Yep, its been explained in 3 or 4 complete working theories, but still none are really accepted 100%, as history is never completely known.
@GroberWeisenstein
Жыл бұрын
@@mokiloke who is in a position to accept or deny it unless they know for sure ? Precedence servings as examples are the only surefire way to arrive at solid ground in understanding these otherwise conceptual arguments.. Tried and true.
@mokiloke
Жыл бұрын
@@GroberWeisenstein Exactly. There likely will never be any absolute explanations for many things from ancient history, we can only propose rational theories. Also we can barely agree on recent history, so ancient history thats another ballgame.
@GroberWeisenstein
Жыл бұрын
@@mokiloke fortunately, we have photos, illustrations, records, analogous works, and legacy trade knowledge in circulation. The problem for the most part is the general population wanting simple answers to what was and still is a very specialized and complex trade. Not easy to understand from a layman's perspective.
I feel like these videos would benefit from a bit of a stronger and more explanatory conclusion. By the end of this one, I was confused about what exactly you were implying and I feel like whatever conclusion was obvious to you totally went over my head since your channel is my first exposure to Egyptology outside of high school level "history" books. This stuff is really interesting, but I just don't really get what this all means unless you directly tell me. I'm sure other Egyptology nerds appreciate the evidence you put here to support your hypotheses, but to me they're just cool rocks right now, so some additional layman's explanation of what your hypothesis is and how you arrived there at the end of the video would leave me less confused lol. I love the videos, but sometimes they're just a little too opaque to me. Thanks.
@GroberWeisenstein
Жыл бұрын
they all reach a similar plateau and predicament since their knowledge and recycling of old logic has constraints.
@hansburch3700
Жыл бұрын
Es ist schon längst klar, dass die Pyramiden Maschinen sind, jeder Seismologe mit ein paar Technikern könnte vieles rekonstruieren um die Funktion zu verstehen. Andere Erklärungen sind schon längst überholt!
@michaeldeierhoi4096
Жыл бұрын
A lot of people like to see a video like this wrapped up into a nice conclusion at the end, but that is often not possible. Until we have further insights or knowledge about the pyramids that uncertainty is the best perspective.
@tech2tiger
Жыл бұрын
@@michaeldeierhoi4096 I don't need answers, I need a less dense explanation of the facts and to be led by the hand through the facts. I'm not an archeologist, this is my first time learning anything deep about Egyptology. I am a layman in this field and I am saying that the video was inscrutable to me. I have a background in physics, so videos going into detail about quantum mechanics are fine for me, but he just needs to explain more of, like, what certain stones or internal layouts actually mean to him versus, "letting the viewer come to their own conclusion," cause the conclusion I came to was, "this doesn't mean anything to me."
@michaeldeierhoi4096
Жыл бұрын
@@tech2tiger Thanks for explaining your perspective more completely. I get your point too as I have noticed this channel is long on descriptions of what is seen, but not as much on interpretation.
Thanks, always excellent!!! Cheers fro brazil
GREAT VIDEO!
If supposed looters dug out a corridor to remove items, how did the funeral directors get those items into the chamber in the first place? 🤔
@JoelRSmith
Жыл бұрын
Certain objects could be placed inside the chamber as the Pyramid is being constructed, perhaps when the top of the pyramid is level with the floor of the chamber, before the walls were built.
@jimik89
Жыл бұрын
@@JoelRSmith It’s certainly plausible, I wonder if a King would want his grave goods sitting in a half finished pyramid for X amount of years until their death though
@philmccracken2012
Жыл бұрын
to answer your question about how the items would get into the chamber in the first place.... Said items were built within the chamber. After all he is or was the king so he'd have his people bring the materials and build whatever it was he was going to take with him to the afterlife. Just an idea
@danpetitpas
Жыл бұрын
@@philmccracken2012 For King Tut's tomb, chariots, beds and other items were disassembled and placed inside.
Those three pyramids are very strange. It doesn’t seem possible that they were all built during Sneferu’s reign, but I wouldn’t be too surprised if it were so.
Great video
Please sir, can we ahve some more?
@HistoryforGRANITE
Жыл бұрын
Sooner than you think! ;)
@monsterinhead214
Жыл бұрын
@@HistoryforGRANITE That's good, cause your work is top shelf. Thanks for this high quality, actual research presentations.
Very good and informative, as always. But to me it just highlights how there is scant evidence that any of the Egyptian pyramids were royal tombs. The objections raised here would seem applicable to the others as well. Why use the same layout on all of them? Why explicitly advertise the entrances? Why not fill all of the corridors with granite blocks? We have to presume that the pyramid-builders were behaving rationally, so why would they make these rather obvious mistakes? To me it seems that a more realistic interpretation of the physical evidence is that the builders wanted to allow access to the various chambers, but also wanted to make such access difficult, and wanted to protect against unauthorized access. Or perhaps wanted to allow access to something stored within them, but not its removal. A rather straightforward analogy would be a bank vault: strong defenses, but no attempt to disguise it, or prevent orderly access.
@HistoryforGRANITE
Жыл бұрын
These are excellent questions and observations. We'll definitely be talking about this more.
@Whiteyy191
Жыл бұрын
I’m struggling to wrap my head around how anyone could be stupid enough to think they’re anything other than tombs.
@wichitadisciple9874
Жыл бұрын
@@Whiteyy191 Simply because there were never any bodies discovered in some of them and no clues left that there ever was any. There were no sarcophaguses found in any of the pyramids at Giza.
@Whiteyy191
Жыл бұрын
@@wichitadisciple9874 Yeah…because they’re 5,000 years old and were stripped bare by looters between them and now. Any other mysteries you need solved?
@philmccracken2012
Жыл бұрын
@@Whiteyy191 yeah, Jimmy Hoffa. Where is he at buddy?!?!
Keep em coming
whoever you are ...youre my new fave YT channel
I think this is the Pyramid that Flinders Petrie entered in the 19th century, and was met by a pack of hyenas coming up the shaft. Imagine how scary that would have been, when he only had an oil lamp!
@HistoryforGRANITE
Жыл бұрын
Petrie never made it into the upper chamber of the Red Pyramid. A great example of how difficult it would be if you were unprepared and constrained on time.
I realize that you must keep some semblance of contemporary egyptology in your videos in order to maintain access to material and keep your website up but all of these pyramids have obvious industrial internal architecture incorperated in them. Thank you for the great video and still pictures of the internals. Keep up the great work!
@mollsellini665
Жыл бұрын
According to our modern eyes
I really like this channel!
@HistoryforGRANITE
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
Im sorry but there is no way Sneferu built 3 pyramids
@brunoheggli2888
6 ай бұрын
Why not?He was a hot guy!
@Jordizzan
6 ай бұрын
I think he personally built them all. With his bare hands.
@brunoheggli2888
6 ай бұрын
Game over for Tesla!
@JacobAnaya369
5 ай бұрын
You’re right he didn’t, I say that because if anyone alive in this generation of humanity and I don’t mean short term, I’m talking in terms of thousands of years would’ve plastered their name ALL OVER that thing… I know I would’ve and so would you have, the fact of the matter is that we will never know who what when or how they were built until we meet our maker and ask these age old questions face to face…
@FloridaExplorer777
5 ай бұрын
The person hosting this KZread channel is under educated and has absolutely no idea what they’re talking about.
egyptian people simply survived the young dryas period and inherited all megalithic architecture that's is present today even Egyptian people say they didn't build it going against mainstream academia
@dennisrydgren
Жыл бұрын
We have fragments of paperwork from rock transportation, large housing areas supporting the builders dated to that time, evidence of the evolution of larger and larger pyramids (and more and more advanced stone work) and … 900 other good reasons to believe they did build it. We don’t need an even more unbelievable explanation with little to no evidence to support it. You can believe what you like, but the evidence is the evidence. Stay of The History Channel and Joe Rogan 😄
@NZ_NATIV3
Жыл бұрын
@@dennisrydgren got a reference
@NZ_NATIV3
Жыл бұрын
uncharted x is better thats provides real evidence
@dennisrydgren
Жыл бұрын
@@NZ_NATIV3 lots of videos who patiently explain the evidences, this is a good one: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mXakt7dupdSvmZs.html
@dennisrydgren
Жыл бұрын
@@NZ_NATIV3 uncharted x is not a good source, he follows the fantastic not the best evidence (at time even against better knowing - in my view). In short, he’s been debunked time and again with open clear evidence here on YT.