This conversation is very dangerous for women. It isn’t helpful to tell women they should let a man lead just because he is a man (a lot of women have been harmed - physically, emotionally and financially because of this rhetoric). Also, putting the responsibility only on women to choose better and not including a solid message that men should also be better harms our community even more. The intention of this episode is appreciated. I just wish the conversation would have been a bit inclusive and considerate of women’s worth and power on this earth as well. Also, the focus on what a woman looks like on a man’s arm and not genuinely on how he feels about her and her character is weird and young women and young men deserve to hear better messaging from black men. It’s almost counter to the argument of them being good ‘leaders’. A man who leads well knows that superficiality only goes so far when you find the right person for you and it transcends looks.

@grandmasterlex2588

7 ай бұрын

Please pin this comment. We have to acknowledge. Some men are not marriage material and some of us woman DESPERATLY NEED TO BECOME CONTENT WITH THE IDEA OF BEING ALONE. Because our men not changing to be more humble and learn that submission starts with them being submitted to something higher that themself, is a safety hazard at this point. Us young women going into the dating world ARE NOT SAFE WITH MEN. We cannot trust our peers and if we do they have all these evil schemes to try and trick or decieve us while we still believe in some fairy tale. Woman cannot be nice to a man. We need to be hard to get to and he needs to prove himself over TIME ( an uncle told me it takes at least 5-7 years to truelly know a man. Can we work on friendship in the community first? Understanding? Not shacking up having sex and getting instant gratification with no inner work or honorable traits😢 too many of us getting our hearts broken and not getting the message that maybe we awoke love before its time, the time God had in mind. Too many women are idolizing men and a ring but dont get to know ourself outside of feeling that is our only purpose😢

@grandmasterlex2588

7 ай бұрын

We are way too desperate. But if you watch Tony Gaskins, you know the ONLY way to keep a man is to be ok with letting him go ( and that may mean you never get him back, but you dodged a bullet if thats the case) They are too stubborn and hardheaded and we give in WAY TOO Easy. As a woman sadly we are too “naïve” bc the system manipulates our nurturing ways like willy wonkas factory, pumping out all these productions from our FREE labor. What other choice do we have? Being in love with a guy who abuses you only feels like torture anyways so bite the bullet. Get a supportive friend group and get close to God. Ladies please, holding on to a guy who shows you he doesnt take you serious ( lying, insulting you, putting you down, cussing you out, yelling in anger, not discussing the future and marriage with good intentions etc) it only makes the danger to all of us more impactful when hes enabled to believe this is what will fly 🤦🏽‍♀️

@RA-pb9yp

7 ай бұрын

The word “Leadership” for a kingdom man is a huge undertaking. Think of Moses going onto the mountain top to get instructions from God for his people. A kingdom man does what Moses did, he gets instruction from God for his family. He’s charged with leading that family, so a Kingdom man takes his responsibility of leading his family very serious!

@Idealiath

7 ай бұрын

Absolutely

@Idealiath

7 ай бұрын

This men will drop that rubbish in the bible, especially blavk male who always lead with their D, colourism and self hatred

Anytime I hear a man STATE that he needs to INSTRUCT a woman, I know he's definitely NOT the one and NOT ready to be married. Leading is a quiet strength. A real man doesn't need to tell a woman he's a leader & needs to lead her, he just does it. His actions in the relationship will show him as a leader & the woman will naturally follow. Also leading is NOT controlling her or EVERYTHING in the relationship. Women do have opinions & a voice. A man should always ask for his partner's input. Men need to understand this.

What we are running from as women is abusive, empty relationships with men trying to stiffle our growth in thi one life... Even in this conversation, tone is carefull women, you are becoming too much for us to handle because we dont want to level up so you need to shrink & follow me... If I dont find a man whose vision I can lurch onto, I am not going to just while my time with my one life. I will find out whats the most i can be, do, go alone. Nope, not shrinking for nobody

I've really tried to be open to this conversation. However, Ryan Catchers is so triggering. I wonder what his relationship was with his mom - sheesh! And the host co-signing with him, so disappointing. Plus, what these guys are missing is women will adapt to their partner, if they (the partner) love them as Christ loves.

@Heyu7her3

6 ай бұрын

He had an abusive step-dad & hadn't dealt with that, yet projects that women with standards are traumatized

There's so much these men need to learn. Watching them with the many guests that they have had on their channel I'd think their views would have evolved.

@1bluegreen2

7 ай бұрын

You nailed it! They are like two little boys who managed to grow facial hair. They don't understand what it takes to be a man of substance which naturally commands the respect and admiration based on the proven wisdom and discipline. I heard " want , want , want" it was all about what women need to do and ve for them without checking to see if they meet the standards of being considered high valued men.

@msoto7200

7 ай бұрын

I definitely agree!

@Idealiath

7 ай бұрын

Did you not know black men will remain black men, they’re just disguise of fresh and fit

@hillaryconsultingservices

7 ай бұрын

Unfortunately if fane and money are the foundation the intentions message change with their target market.

@Heyu7her3

6 ай бұрын

Nope. Their delivery has evolved to fit the brand... actual change/ repentance takes MUCH longer

I'm not sure if the gentleman w the beard has alot of experience dating mature (not OLD, but mature) women, because the terminlogy (ex., 'My woman' MY kids, etc) and the scenarios to decribe their ideal mate speaks of women as if they are objects. No person, much less a woman, desires to be controlled, but should be loved and nurtured. When a woman (worth having) is well loved, she CHOOSES to submit to a man. A man cannot insist that a woman do this and at the same time have her respect. If a woman is not submitting or is not allowing her mate to lead, either she’s not the woman for him, or he's engaging in behavior that he should re-evaluated. Any healthy human will grow, evolve and mature in the context of a healthy relationship between 2 *adults*, which means there should be room alloted for growth (ex: she may start off defering to her mate, but with growth this may actually change- not saying her love for him will change- but her desires, wants and needs will). However it doesn't seem like he’s alloted room for that to happen. You don't have to control a woman or 'keep the upper hand' in a relationship in order to get /keep a woman's love. BC true love is born out of one’s free will.

@oaktree1626

6 ай бұрын

You created a whole scenario out of him saying "my". 🤦🏿‍♂️

@Heyu7her3

6 ай бұрын

And both are to "submit unto one another under God"

All due respect to the the guest but I’ll I’m hearing is superficial traits that men have to change to become the best valued man but leave off the importance of what really makes a man which is his characteristic traits. I’m a psychotherapist who works with male sex offenders and everything these two have said about being men is naming the strategies that many of this sex offenders have used to take advantage of many children and women! Sad really

@AC-yg9zf

7 ай бұрын

With all due respect I think you are projecting negative experiences on to these two gentle men. Please be objective in your analysis.

@msoto7200

7 ай бұрын

@@AC-yg9zf not projecting! Just practical common sense! With alll due respect of course

@jelanihashim7083

7 ай бұрын

@@msoto7200I’m pretty sure that you already possessed negative preconceptions about men.

@tam6011

7 ай бұрын

What are some of the strategies you see from sex offenders? I would like to know so I can be on the look out while dating and give those to my nieces.

@venusis9117

7 ай бұрын

This!!!

Beautiful conversation

Amazing episode!!! ❤❤

Great interview!

Good Podcast Great Conversation

I’m so happy for these two young men! Keep pushing forward in y’all spiritual journey!

@AppleBloom21

7 ай бұрын

They need healing and maturity. Blaming the government for the black family and black women striving to make the community better is crazy talk. No other race of men shame their women for being educated except black men.

@juanitawoods6930

7 ай бұрын

We all have opinions! We all need healing, as I stated- pushing forward in their journey!

@Heyu7her3

6 ай бұрын

​@@juanitawoods6930that's not just opinion, that's actually affecting how men operate in the Black community at the detriment of women & children

@juanitawoods6930

6 ай бұрын

@@Heyu7her3 as you said, it’s not “just” an opinion. Don’t get what I stated mixed up with what you replied……. I communicated on the growth of these men. Nah this men don’t have kids, but they are putting the work in to be successful and good leaders from what I hear on their podcast! Nah far as blk men that is not standing their ground and taking their position in their community and in their personal lives, I pray for them too cause this is why a lot of blk communities and this world we live in is failing all together. As well as these sad mothers that is running behind men that don’t take care of their kids and show them better than just settling for anything.

What I always get from Ryan and Tysean is this tactical, formulated approach to romantic partnership. It lacks feelings sincere emotion and soul. It’s like they look at women as a tool to implemented into their lives as add on to enhance them rather than human beings to love and build a life with.

@ultimateenigma6038

7 ай бұрын

Again....women are trophies in the games of men. Men are highly strategic .....most view women with regard to how she will service him . How will she make HIS life easier....the men do not care about her needs. Peep game!

@nenajay3174

7 ай бұрын

@@ultimateenigma6038 I agree , in the game of SOME men. They don’t try to hide it. Hopefully women steer clear of those types.

@hillaryconsultingservices

7 ай бұрын

True and the podcast allows via monetizing black family dysfunction and lonely women etc.

@JusticeWarriorTV

6 ай бұрын

This is exactly what Princella Clark teaches. Men use women to fulfill a need. It never has to do with love.

@ultimateenigma6038

6 ай бұрын

@@JusticeWarriorTV ....spot on

I’m just tired of all of these relationships expert. Not married only have a girlfriend or just dating. Thank you next!! Everybody have the answer to other people’s problems but their own.

@red_edj

6 ай бұрын

Yes!! 👏🏼👏🏼 People using the word expert too loosely. They're all regurgitating the same talking points and saying anything at all.

@Heyu7her3

6 ай бұрын

They're not experts. Only relationship experts are therapists & psychologists. Everyone else is just "luckyc someone stated with them

@Xinkgs

6 ай бұрын

WHAT??? 😂😂😂

"Its the SMALL things..." GREAT POINT!!..

Thank you so much for sharing this wonderful topic. As a result, I will subscribed to your Patreon and to your channel.. I am subscribed Hardly Initiated. Their platform is also awesome. Ryan’s comments typically come from a place of hurt. I think he means well, however; his comments sometimes are off putting. Tyshawn, usually speaks from a place of healing. Ironically, the guest they invite to their show typically helps RYAN to get aligned. I hope the ladies on your platform do give them an opportunity and subscribe or listen to Hardly Initiated. Keep up the amazing work !!

BIG VALUE AND INFORMATION!!

@AppleBloom21

7 ай бұрын

Informative yes but not from be on alert/warning sense these men are not talking about leadership they are talking about control. Even judge Lynn Toler told them they are only thinking about themselves on some of these topics and they are setting themselves up to be in her Divorce courtroom.

Look how KeKe's situation played out. Apparently, he was a weak, abusive man. Therefore, she probably had already lost respect for him and didn't care what he thought.

@TheSomethingnew1

7 ай бұрын

Exactly lol but using her as an example and pretending like she wasn’t being abused is crazy.

@Dakingalbert2

7 ай бұрын

Exactly I tell ppl this all the time before I found that out she was in the wrong but AFTER finding out he was abusive sc um she was right for that to gaslight him Into it so she can record it and its proof well played by Keke

Thank you Tyshawn. I said about 15 years ago. The people who will fix this are decent men and cooperative women I am 1 of the cooperative women.

Thank you Sis, I just subscribed to those 2 men Podcast HI 👍

So men basically want children that's what I get from this conversation. This for the women who constantly cry about being single. Now I see why married people say enjoy your singleness

@Heyu7her3

6 ай бұрын

They think a woman’s period is too be married & children is the only way to have legacy

@user-pl7pf8bb3n

6 ай бұрын

If that's what you got out of this conversation then ima need you to rewatch this over again and really listen this time

Thank you ❤

Is trust not something that has to be developed and nurtured? I feel it's thrown out without a deeper understanding

@tam6011

7 ай бұрын

Well that’s the issue with dating. You have to start with some level of trust and honesty. In order to get there you need sometime together. Not just going out but having conversations

@AppleBloom21

7 ай бұрын

Trust is earned not giving but these men want everything giving to them. They don’t want to earn nothing but want to be called leaders…..

@Heyu7her3

6 ай бұрын

The want us to trust them because "you woman, I man"

This was good

Good talk i man approve this message.😊

What does a woman’s age have to do with being a leader? 😂

@Heyu7her3

6 ай бұрын

#BumMath

This Submit Word is an Issue, Before any Women Submits lets evaluate, what the so called head of the Household has submitted to, Is it Ego Driven or God - Driven.

@mysterystorytress

6 ай бұрын

Nucca scared

@mysterystorytress

6 ай бұрын

Nuccas want to tell women what to do instead of telling men how to show up! Blackmenish!

Tf is the "top 1% of marriages" 🥴---imma try to watch the rest but lawddd

@tripleb1960

6 ай бұрын

He just saying anything out of his ass at this point 😂

Lead your ego, real women don’t need a nucca to lead them! Marriage is a partnership! In a partnership ya both are leading the family in the right direction!

💪🏾💪🏾

"LEADAERSHIP" should NOT pertain to "people". LEADERSHIP should pertain to tasks, duties and responsibilites. If LEADERSHIP pertains to another person, leading, another person - THAT'S A SLAVE/MASTER DYNAMIC.

If you have financial education (which is different from financial literacy), you know that money and marriage go together like water and coffee. You cannot separate faith, family, and finances if you intend to be wealthy any more than you can take the water out of coffee. A man that doesn't want marriage doesn't want money. He will struggle financially or become trapped in poverty because he has a fearful and scarcity mindset. The REAL reason men FEAR marriage is they NEVER had anyone teach them HOW to be a husband. Real husbands (as opposed to married men) understand how to use the power that GOD placed in women to make millions. "Fear makes cowards of us all." ~ Hamlet People aren't really afraid of flying. They are afraid of crashing. Men who say they don't want marriage are actually afraid of failing and having the woman leave with half of their money.

What they’re saying is true about how men view another man based on how that man’s woman behaves. If she’s flirtatious, dresses provocative, etc we look at her man as a clown. If a woman wants other men to respect her man she has to carry herself a certain way.

@Heyu7her3

6 ай бұрын

And we look at y'all as clowns, too. 💅🏾 Next case!

So glad the hist made the distinction between being a girlfriend and marriage as it relates to submission. Because they are two completely different things. Feminine energy is more aligned in the initial stages of what men may seek. Maybe using the wrong terminology.

@AppleBloom21

7 ай бұрын

Yeah but notice he didn’t answer but deflected and avoided the question. And she allowed him to deflect from the question. If you follow their podcast the episode with Judge Lynn Toler it’s cuz they don’t believe there should be a distinction. But Men should have boundaries between a husband and boyfriend. Judge Lynn Toler called them out as selfish and manipulative and told them those type of men be in divorce court all the time.

@3DSuccess

7 ай бұрын

@@AppleBloom21 I have been following them Ffor a while now and enjoy the content they bring. I do remember the episode with the judge. I definitely see the growth in them. I believe as a community we are stepping into new levels of awareness that are great for the collective.

The ONLY thing I heard all interview was the dude on the left saying "MEN CAN'T WAIT FOR WOMEN TO CHANGE"... PERIODT!.. ...and before yall (us) women start cheering, that is to actually say, "IT STARTS WITH YOU".. Man, woman, and all the 'in betweens.." Look at the 1 in the mirror and RUN FOR YOUR LIVES away from those who refuse to!!!!!.. PERIODT on PERIODT.

Girl where’d you get that outfit? Cute!

@veronicahannah2438

2 ай бұрын

Right her outfit is very cute

Hello everyone

Whew that comments

Great interview, though I feel the word 'instruction' could be problematic. How about, "may I suggest" or "have you considered" or "are you open to trying this option", may land better. And also being fine with if the lady decides to do things her way and if it doesn't work out not telling her, "I told you so". And let us nor forget that women can be terrific multi-taskers and great leaders and will guide and support her man. I will take a man's lead if I see that he is worthy of following.

@launche1973

7 ай бұрын

This seems to indicate that the woman would want to do what she wants to do and if in error the man should say nothing. Hearing it as if the man shears has to say the things the way the woman wants to hear it when she wants to hear it.

@launche1973

7 ай бұрын

What’s interesting if you pay attention is how men overall are literally begging women to just be cooperative vs combative. I don’t think women realize how combative they are.

@launche1973

7 ай бұрын

I will agree with them that woman seem to not care about what men want. Women seem to be in an echo chamber of ego and being good to their man takes a huge backseat to just getting what they want from the man. Men are very aware of this and it’s one big reason why we stay aware.

@launche1973

7 ай бұрын

I’ve really had to ask myself why do women want marriage?

@daneenbrown9651

7 ай бұрын

@@launche1973I don't think alot of women want to be married its more like something women are crossing off their bucket list also alot of women use it as competition with other women. I think women enjoy having a steady partnership more, where they have the flexibility to move how they want to move .

Big ups to these to brothers mind set!👑

@PrinceInawRakah

7 ай бұрын

What did you think about Ryan’s take on MLK and Malcom X? Do you believe BM should try to come together with all races? Or focus on their own first? One way you can tell if a BM is not fit for leadership is their take on race relations.. A guy like Ryan is not a leader of a nation.. he is at best a good businessman.. someone who will file the paperwork and buy snacks for clients.. which is a minuscule part of nation building. A guy like Ryan is still buck broken.. he will never be able to be apart of the solution.. which will in turn place our women in a safe environment, governed by us.. not a bunch of different races all coming together around the proverbial campfire. That’s a much larger task than focusing on one group.. which is our group.

@AppleBloom21

7 ай бұрын

@@PrinceInawRakahwell said. These men aren’t leaders. They don’t know how to lead. Every great and even evil leader was successful because they put their ppl first. The Chinese are controlling American cuz they are putting China first.

@Heyu7her3

6 ай бұрын

​@@PrinceInawRakah That's an extremely elementary take on both men, esp. since their views were becoming more similar towards the ends of their lives.

Personally I 😂 don’t think MEN even know. 💯I asked my male friends the same question, my blood bro 😮 and they all look like they seen a GHOST 👻 with this question. And these two men don’t know either what they WANT 🤷🏾‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️

Shan, you aren’t choosing the right women. Choose women that have some college and come from a middle to upper class family. If you do that, what you’re talking about regarding women, will not exist. Stop looking for the best in the ground and d level up. No man is EVER going to have to tell me how to behave, take care of myself ir how to act. You should have learned that from home. At the ages of these two young men, telling women how to attract men is ridiculous. You two are attracting the wrong women. You should even KNOW women like this. My make relatives have NEVER dated the kind of women you describe and our family wasn’t rich, but we did want to elevate.

This is the conversation that should be promoted to the single black men and women in America.As an African, I will say that this conversation will be well received in my culture . Keep up with the good work!

@PrinceInawRakah

7 ай бұрын

The family aspect of the conversation is low hanging fruit tho.. women need to prioritize family as opposed to colleges and corporations.. men need to focus on family as opposed to just trying to have sex without commitment which is typically rooted in fear of failure.. Idk if you knew this, but wild animals do this family thing better than us sir. Let that sink in.. Most ppl worldwide understand that children need parents.. and men and women come together to be parents for their children.. who will then go into the world and do the same, correctly.. Outside of the obvious low hanging fruit.. what’s the profound point here? Both of these brothers are still apprehensive about marriage themselves.. And when it comes to continental Africans.. yall come over here and turn your nose up at black Americans.. whole time, yall got bamboozled by the same white man.. he controls the resources in YALLS backyard from Europe, while yall are trying to forge a Great Value version of the US in Africa.. we can’t come together with y’all until yall humble down.. because yall wouldn’t be able to even come tap dance on American soil without our sacrifice.. I don’t like yall at all.. a bunch of prideful sellouts.. but I digress.. What type of profound point did you gather from this video? I’m genuinely curious..

You can pour effort into building a bear and end up alone and lonely.

Kevin was also projecting because he was unable too finish his degree.

@mysterystorytress

6 ай бұрын

He was a bum!

@Heyu7her3

6 ай бұрын

Lmaooooooooooo

Great episode! We need more black conversations and podcasts. They’re providing healing. I’ve realized that I’ve been throwing myself into work vs dealing with my trauma. The past 2 years of my life have involved a lot of self love/reflection. I’ve decided to work only part time now so I can nurture my personal life and relax. I used to feel like relaxing was a crime, thank God for clarity.

I wasn't born to be liked. I choose ME.

Men, A woman who doesn't listen to you does not belong to you. A woman who doesn't take corrections from you; a woman who doesn't take instructions from you; a woman who doesn't take direction from you; that woman is condescending and arrogant. She thinks she's doing you a favor by being in a relationship with you. That woman thinks she's better than you and she deserves to be with someone who's better than you, richer than you, more successful than you. That woman is disrespectful; always arguing with you; always creating unnecessary drama; giving you no peace because she wants to prove a point. That woman loves materials for trade. she will humiliate you and abandon you. So, stop trying to change her. That woman will ruin you. Run when you still can. 🙏👏

@tam6011

7 ай бұрын

All that reads as a human being not gender specific. Men take direction from women all day everyday in a marriage. He can’t be every where that’s what the wife is for. Everything you wrote read a human being to me

@KeysOfMoab7Five

7 ай бұрын

Amen

@Heyu7her3

6 ай бұрын

WOMEN DO NOT BELONG TO MEN. GET OUT THE 1900s UNLESS YOU'RE TRYNA BRING BACK LYNCHING & SEGREGATION.

Dont take advice about love from ANYONE who doesnt know the love of God

Her looking to buy a home is very interesting. If he is serious about her. He will not allow this to happen. It will be the end of their relationship. It may not end today but it will surely end.

@lastnameunknown3762

7 ай бұрын

Where is she supposed to live?

@ultimateenigma6038

7 ай бұрын

@@lastnameunknown3762 ...apparently in a one bedroom until HE chooses to marry her. These women are too ambitious!

@AppleBloom21

7 ай бұрын

How you know she not buying to rent it out?? My sister in law (who is 42) have three houses and just moved in with her fiancé/baby daddy as they plan for their wedding. Mind you the baby daddy at 33 got 2 houses of his own. Y’all done let these podcasters really confuse y’all about what WEALTH and REAL COOPERATION look like. Lol

@SpiritualWealthMinistry

7 ай бұрын

If you listen to the podcast he said that he is leading her through the process of buying a house. Obviously, there are anamolies and they may be one but if I was serious about a woman and wanted to marry her. I would tell her to hold off on any major decisions so we want have to move backwards once we get married. You also said finacee. I am married any man that makes a woman his fiance its cool but it really only take going to the court house to get married. If they have time to invest in 3 and 4 properites surely they have time to go the courthouse and solidify their relationship. @@AppleBloom21 Dont respond to me talking about yall. I am an individua that know what wealth and cooperation look like and live like and like I said if I was advising Tyshawn I would tell him its time to shit or get off the pot with this young lady. SHe is making some seriouos decisions right now and if he plans on being her husband he needs to step up and take control of that situation.

@sweetcheeks4EVER

6 ай бұрын

Oooops, pull up your pants, your insecurity is exposed... 👀

Soooo! Basically both of these men are more focused on what other people think about them and their choices of partners then a sense of empathy for the woman they say they love! Thanks but no thanks

@thefreequency

7 ай бұрын

Yesss, a good deal of men live to impress men esp when it comes to their choice in women

@keesee4141

7 ай бұрын

What part of the interview are you basing this conclusion from?

@JoeEnt

7 ай бұрын

​@@keesee4141 at 13:30, he said he's worried about which lady is good for the brand

@lorrainelez1

7 ай бұрын

​@JoeEnt And he should think that. They are up here pushing healthy marriages and relationships, they can't be out there just dating toxic people.

@ultimateenigma6038

7 ай бұрын

Women are trophies in the games of men. This is a patriarchy. Know your worth....then add tax. We are the energy source. .don't let em use you and waste YOUR time.

I'm liking these 2 men. For example> Kiki palmer isn't marriage material. She's loose ghetto! And her mother is a bad influence!

@AngelaElikya

7 ай бұрын

Really weird thing to say about women you know nothing about. Even more when her mother is married

@tam6011

7 ай бұрын

⁠@@AngelaElikyafunny cause with men what they see is what they paint to be true all the time. However, the word that stuck out to me was loose. I can point 15 conservatively dressed women , polite, feminine and they will be loose. Here is the definition of a loose woman: A sexually promiscuous woman; a prostitute. It has nothing to do with what she wearing. The only way a woman or man can be a prostitute is someone has to be a buyer.

@AppleBloom21

7 ай бұрын

How is Keke loose….you sound childish. 😂

@Wonderwoman79G

7 ай бұрын

That is so random.She was in a relationship with Darius for years.She was loyal to him btw.