The Problem With Silver Border | Commander Clash Podcast #55

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These acorn cards are driving us nuts!
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  • @exriel
    @exriel Жыл бұрын

    People don't take UN-cards seriously because the UN-cards don't take themselves seriously. That was the whole point of the UN-sets.

  • @KellyUnekis
    @KellyUnekis Жыл бұрын

    P1: Activates Ashnod's Coupon and targets a carbonated drink. P2: Responds to ability trigger by shaking up the targeted drink. Interaction!

  • @epicgamer-ny4fj

    @epicgamer-ny4fj

    Жыл бұрын

    Or hit em with the school yard classic of just putting random stuff into a drink

  • @faceoctopus4571

    @faceoctopus4571

    Жыл бұрын

    That could cause cards to be damaged

  • @kaszael
    @kaszael Жыл бұрын

    18:03 Crim, you're playing it wrong! Ashnod's Coupon specifies "target drink" so the target must be chosen by the player as they activate the ability. If you get them something else, that's cheating.

  • @TheSpiritombsableye

    @TheSpiritombsableye

    Жыл бұрын

    But the guy playing ashnod's coupon must pay for the drink also.

  • @Kryptnyt

    @Kryptnyt

    Жыл бұрын

    @@TheSpiritombsableye Unless you have R&D's Secret Lair in play!

  • @TheSpiritombsableye

    @TheSpiritombsableye

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Kryptnyt, well yes; cards override the rules of the game and cards override other cards in the game.

  • @darkrexkigntstone8773

    @darkrexkigntstone8773

    Жыл бұрын

    @@TheSpiritombsableye Also not offer in Rode Island.

  • @Dementia55372

    @Dementia55372

    Жыл бұрын

    This just proves that every anecdote he ever told on the podcast was fabricated and his opinions should be ignored

  • @felipeguidolin1055
    @felipeguidolin1055 Жыл бұрын

    Do you guys remember when they did time-shifted cards, and they had either a really weird border (like Tombstalker and Virulent Sliver) or they had a purple rarity symbol (like Tormods Crypt)? Way easier to see and differentiate the cards.

  • @DudeMan1620

    @DudeMan1620

    Жыл бұрын

    Very easy to do, WoTC wanta the confusion to sell more to people who want to cheat. They should have added an acorn to the Name line ln the card, just like they have done for flashback in paper and alchemy online. Like just have Un, be the paper equivalent of alchemy cards with the acorn clearly visible on the name line. Understated but still easy to see and doesnt mess up a full black-bordered deck.

  • @megazorzz
    @megazorzz Жыл бұрын

    RE: Wizards wanting the product to sell around the 22 minute mark. If it isn't selling...should they keep making it? 100% agree with Seth here.

  • @donb7519

    @donb7519

    Жыл бұрын

    some things companies do to keep higher ups happy so if maro wants silver border and it keeps him happy to print it and it doesnt lose that much money then they'll print one every few years

  • @beverlyshields2399
    @beverlyshields2399 Жыл бұрын

    There was a un tournament at a con i went too many years ago, before unstable, and me and someone else both showed up with ashnods coupon r&d's secret lair combo. Since r&d's secret lair makes you ignore errata and coupon has errata that makes you pay for the drink. You make someone get you a drink of your choice, you bring a Pepsi, you target that Pepsi, declare it costs $100, they now must either concede or pay you $100 for your own soda. It was a blast

  • @EdBurke37
    @EdBurke37 Жыл бұрын

    The issue with the art/artist matters cards is that a core part of the rules is that all Magic cards must function the same across all versions of those cards. So anything that functions based on art or artists makes reprints of a card function differently thus they have to remain silver border/acorn.

  • @tarultoyarto

    @tarultoyarto

    Жыл бұрын

    It would also mean that hiring or not hiring particular artists could potentially change the balance of the card, which is so sticky they wouldn't even want the possibility to occur.

  • @JonaxII

    @JonaxII

    Жыл бұрын

    It's all part of the silver border theme of caring about the actual card present on the table instead of caring only about the oracle text represented by the card, like black border does.

  • @matthewjennings7645
    @matthewjennings7645 Жыл бұрын

    In my Zedruu deck I thought it was appropriate to use "City of Ass" as a proxy of "City of Brass". Even players who aren't comfortable with proxies see the humor and not only approve but appreciate it. It helps that I actually payed more for my proxy than what the playable card cost, but it's been worth the many laughs from many groups.

  • @Thunderkeg
    @Thunderkeg Жыл бұрын

    Do most people even have a regular play group? I was under the assumption that most commander games were either store events with randomized pairing, pick up games, or online. I feel like it's probably a minority of players that have a regular play group with specific people but I'd have no idea how to prove that.

  • @-Gojiro-
    @-Gojiro- Жыл бұрын

    Sometimes it seems like Crim is in it for the lols rather than in it for the game.

  • @ericklewis1530

    @ericklewis1530

    Жыл бұрын

    Fun is subjective

  • @sirmoth3955

    @sirmoth3955

    Жыл бұрын

    For some people, it's the same thing. They play the game to have fun, and doing a bit of trolling is fun for them. Personally, I'm of a similar mindset. Not quite to the same level that I think all silver border cards should be legal, but I'm all for the sticker cards, warp world, etc. It's a game, and I don't think a card game should be "no goofiness allowed," even if it's serious most of the time.

  • @regail7143

    @regail7143

    Жыл бұрын

    @@ericklewis1530 I mean yes, but he can't get upset with people for not enjoying his "brand" of fun.

  • @ericklewis1530

    @ericklewis1530

    Жыл бұрын

    @@regail7143 I mean I dont think he was getting upset, just disagreeing

  • @regail7143

    @regail7143

    Жыл бұрын

    @@ericklewis1530 Not in this video, but the previous podcast.

  • @benjaminterracini6114
    @benjaminterracini6114 Жыл бұрын

    Peak magic for me was when there was no one else in my apartment who wasn't playing, so I called my dad and apropos of nothing asked, do you like squirrels. He confusedly said yes and I said thanks and hung up.

  • @fishrunner23
    @fishrunner23 Жыл бұрын

    A lot of this convo I keep going back to this... "Is the juice worth the squeeze?"

  • @BigDiff7
    @BigDiff7 Жыл бұрын

    I'm generally confused as to why the Stickers mechanic dodged the acorn. By definition of what is considered an Acorn card these should have been included.

  • @WhammeWhamme

    @WhammeWhamme

    Жыл бұрын

    Sticker cards: - do not break the rules of magic (unlike Far Out) any more than any new mechanic does (obviously you need to write the rules section). - do not mechanically care about the difference between two physical cards (you can use it to give a card a hat, but it doesn't matter if they already have a hat or not). - do not require interacting with a third human being (they just don't). - they do not have a physical or vocal component. - they don't reference a state external to the game (like e.g. Sir Knight Owl). - and "just don't feel right" is a subjective criteria that just means they can make any cards they would rather be Acorn, still be Acorn, which doesn't apply because they don't think Stickers should be Acorn and it's their call.

  • @MakeVarahHappen

    @MakeVarahHappen

    Жыл бұрын

    Wdym?

  • @WhammeWhamme

    @WhammeWhamme

    Жыл бұрын

    @@MakeVarahHappen the tldr is that stickers do not break any of the six criteria. Why? Read the long version.

  • @froggystrap1232
    @froggystrap1232 Жыл бұрын

    LIST OF TOPICS : - Quoting Tomer “ I can draw better than you, sick child”. Draw the magic card! Each player do basically a pictionary. You guys can use Gartic phone. - Your favorite commander varient (Planechase, King Joker Valley, Tower, Tiny Leaders…) - Purple or brown mana why not? But what is it's identity? basically talk about what fit into this hypothetical color except from artifact? - Year retrospectives, did 2020-2021 most played cards added fun to games ? - Guess the card ? Based on the text box or the mana cost. 3vs the 1 who submit the card with a timer. Point for guessing. The loser need to say Clash on for the rest of the season. - A custom legendary creature card contest based on your least played color. Should make sense in the color pie but you would still play it. - Mtgo please add those cards online - Everyone brewing process from the idea to the finale decklist (only feels like I see tomer’s process) - Reviewing historical card outrage, from spoilers to actual play and month or years later. Give it a score from unseasoned to extremely salty. (Recent memory was Goad in Baldurs gates) - 10 tips for new commander players specifically for MTGO. - Card that needs a secret lair from reprint demand to new cool art possibly. - Another tier list : artifact creature, curses, target protection… - Favorite magic meme, commander clash moments. - Tips to break the ice at a table.

  • @soleo2783

    @soleo2783

    3 ай бұрын

    Would be interesting to see a new color, but i think the current colors and combination of colors are already pretty all encompassing when it comes to card effects, would be pretty hard to make it feel unique from the others i think

  • @JohnSmith-hs9ez
    @JohnSmith-hs9ez Жыл бұрын

    40:36 there's a reason why you can't reference that stuff. Name: causes problems with non-english players. Art: there's a magic rule that every card is equivalent to every other card with the same English name. This breaks that rule. Flavor text: same thing as art. Referencing those things makes it harder to have sanctioned tournaments with a standard set of rules

  • @VinegarAndSaltedFries
    @VinegarAndSaltedFries Жыл бұрын

    Cheatyface reminds me of this card game called Schummel Hummel/Cheating Moth where the goal of the game is to get rid of your cards and cheating is allowed but if you get caught you get the cards back. It’s neat and Crim would love it.

  • @Turkin4tor
    @Turkin4tor Жыл бұрын

    During that one month where UnCards were legal in EDH, I played against a Frankie Peanuts deck at my LGS, and it was one of the most memorable games I've ever played.

  • @Awesomesausages
    @Awesomesausages Жыл бұрын

    31:30 You can slap the Animate Object stickers on.. a Magic card :P I wonder how that'd go. It's an Emrakul, just with adjusted P/T, right? :)

  • @stormycat0905
    @stormycat0905 Жыл бұрын

    Form of the Squirrel with Hive Mind after a board wipe would be hilarious.

  • @TheOnionKnight1

    @TheOnionKnight1

    Жыл бұрын

    Form of Squirrel is an enchantment. Doesn't work.

  • @pixelbomb97
    @pixelbomb97 Жыл бұрын

    I've had an Earl of Squirrel deck for a while. No one really cares at least in my LGS. It's the only silver border card in the deck and it's pretty fun.

  • @davidbain7629

    @davidbain7629

    Жыл бұрын

    That's because earl of squirrel is a simple design/good card. It 100% could have been a black border card with a little rewording. But that doesn't mean all silver border cards are good for commander. These new ones really concern me.

  • @alaraplatt8104

    @alaraplatt8104

    Жыл бұрын

    @@davidbain7629 i dont even think earl needs to be reworded to be black border

  • @garryhewitt1053

    @garryhewitt1053

    Жыл бұрын

    I have a mutate deck lead by the Surgeon Commander

  • @maxpotter9363
    @maxpotter9363 Жыл бұрын

    The issue with silver border is the range of effects. Some cards, like my current favourite commander (Surgeon General mutate) is perfectly fine in the wider commander sphere. Something like Ashnod’s coupon is absolutely not. This is the upside of Unfinity; it lets you do both.

  • @VRanger100
    @VRanger100 Жыл бұрын

    Back in 2017, I liked it when the RC allowed Silver Border cards to be legal all through December. There were some cards that were banned of course, but the overall month allowing Silver Borders felt refreshing that I think the community should embrace it for that small period of time. It wasn't as appreciated at the time since it felt out of nowhere and because it felt like another way for WOTC to sell more Unstable cards, but if it becomes something like a yearly-tradition, I can see people brew more decks to bring. The new implementation of Black Border Acorn cards break the traditional feel of Silver Border cards where you instantly recognize the cards.

  • @vonjynx
    @vonjynx Жыл бұрын

    I see you Phil with that Cold Ones merch

  • @BrewersKitchen

    @BrewersKitchen

    Жыл бұрын

    What can I say? It's a cool shirt 🤣

  • @edwardgribbins7175
    @edwardgribbins7175 Жыл бұрын

    Cards that don’t fundamentally break the game are a blast… Sword of Dungeons and Dragons is fun, Earl, Urza… dockside is infinitely less fun to play with and against

  • @av110386
    @av110386 Жыл бұрын

    12:45 Tomer not wanting to get someone a drink is some little brother energy

  • @darianm9741

    @darianm9741

    Жыл бұрын

    Call it what you want, but it seems reasonable to me. Far better than the opposite at least, getting a kick out of using a game to force your 'friends' to do stupid and menial shit. Unless that was the point of the game to begin with and everyone knew what they signed up for I guess.

  • @alexanderdaemon
    @alexanderdaemon Жыл бұрын

    I have a surgeon general commander mutate deck, its the only silver bordered card in the whole deck. Most people i play with have no problem playing against it as it's just a bird of paradise crossed with a beast whisperer.

  • @FlowBerni

    @FlowBerni

    Жыл бұрын

    i have too, it started with a Ramos mutate deck, but my playgroup was totally ok with the surgeon general.

  • @alexanderdaemon

    @alexanderdaemon

    Жыл бұрын

    @@FlowBerni nines become my third favorite deck, and I'm falling it with all the godzilla cards

  • @AnExercisInThought
    @AnExercisInThought Жыл бұрын

    Phil with the Buddy Christ in the background

  • @chad3166
    @chad3166 Жыл бұрын

    The printing argument doesn't work, as in Unstable we got a reprint of that Goblin Rigger card, which was black bordered, printed in a set of all silver bordered cards

  • @JonaxII

    @JonaxII

    Жыл бұрын

    It was not in the regular set tho, instead it was on the basic Land sheet, at a low occurrence rate, making it sort of rare and the most expensive card in the set (for a time at least)

  • @chad3166

    @chad3166

    Жыл бұрын

    @@JonaxII I didn't know that, that makes sense, thanks

  • @sxkasper9465
    @sxkasper9465 Жыл бұрын

    All they had to do was make a new “rarity” color for the set symbol on the UN-Cards. There is no need to make it so confusing!!!!

  • @golem001px

    @golem001px

    Жыл бұрын

    that's sound dumb, like super dumb

  • @salaciousvgames
    @salaciousvgames Жыл бұрын

    TOPIC Ideas: Discussing Commanders that you think are good/strong/underrated & should see more play, but they are surprisingly low on on EDH Rec, maybe they're below the top 50 most popular commanders. Or discussing Commanders that you thought where gonna be popular/strong but ended up not being that popular or good. Discussing Cards that you though where gonna be bad when they got revealed, but ended up being good the more you play/see them played.

  • @Shadowstar108
    @Shadowstar108 Жыл бұрын

    I remember reading a reddit post a while back about someone putting Booster Tutor in all of their black decks just because and no one had an issue with it. I’m probably going to start doing that myself. It’s not an expensive card and makes the game a lot more social by cracking something cool. Edit: Bought 6 Booster Tutors and a playset of Summon the Pack. Let the shenanigans begin.

  • @guillermovelasco103
    @guillermovelasco103 Жыл бұрын

    Tomer is willing to fight someone at a FRIENDLY game of Commander about art on a card?

  • @Mattismen
    @Mattismen Жыл бұрын

    Is Mox Lotus more busted than Omniscience though? It does get shut down by Stony Silence after all.

  • @MTGGoldfishCommander

    @MTGGoldfishCommander

    Жыл бұрын

    Much stronger. There's far more ways to cheat artifacts into play than enchantments and Omnscience only affects cards in hand while Lotus lets you cast spells in other zones and activate abilities.

  • @marcwinkler4607
    @marcwinkler4607 Жыл бұрын

    We had issues making two different borders. Normal sets with 5 different borders for each card.......

  • @Quantumhailoid
    @Quantumhailoid Жыл бұрын

    They could have made it a double feature where one pack has all the illegal cards and the other has all the eternal legal cards

  • @davidbain7629
    @davidbain7629 Жыл бұрын

    What if there was just a variant of commander with silver borders? Wouldn't that just solve all the problems? Instead of forcing others to play how you want to play, just invite people to play silver commander with you?

  • @MTGGoldfish

    @MTGGoldfish

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah, I think that's a fine option, although I'm not sure how easy/hard it would be to find other silver border players to play with.

  • @mr2ert

    @mr2ert

    Жыл бұрын

    How about a variant of EDH where you can only play with your super serious "legal" cards - let's call it cEDH.

  • @davidbain7629

    @davidbain7629

    Жыл бұрын

    @@MTGGoldfish isn't that the problem? If no one/very few want to play with these cards in normal commander, why does the format as a whole need to have un cards forced upon it?

  • @PhoenixianDragon11
    @PhoenixianDragon11 Жыл бұрын

    I take umbrage with denoting legality of cards by using the acorn stamp since the first sealed commander product I ever purchased had the entire deck misprinted by not having the traditional authenticity oval stamp on any of the cards. So you know there’s gonna be some amount out there that will have that issue.

  • @jamierennie1440
    @jamierennie1440 Жыл бұрын

    I run 5 copies of Booster Tutor in my Commander Cube - house errata text changes the casting cost to one of any colour. It whiffs 90% of the time. But opening a Fate Reforged pack and dropping Ugin on one turn... legendary. :)

  • @bearsdotzone
    @bearsdotzone Жыл бұрын

    I think Crim's right when he says magic is a board game, but he doesn't go far enough and say that games are defined by their rules or limitations. Imagine if you played monopoly with a bank robber house rule, when you go to the game store and interact with randos you don't expect them to play by your house rules, the official rules are the fallback to make sure everybody is on the same page. In my experience, "funny" cards don't have the rules support to eliminate ambiguity, to make sure that everybody is on the same page. Eg I was brewing Baron Von Count. If I go on Gatherer and read the rulings, it doesn't say anything about whether or not I can proliferate a doom counter. (You can't, but you have to read Water Gun Balloon Game's rulings to figure that out.) Imagine I pull that tech out at the table without having read Water Gun Balloon Game, the tech puts me at an obvious advantage but neither my opponent or I can argue definitively that we're in the right. Do we draw the game because we can't agree on how the rules work? As much as it's a casual format, we're both trying to win and losing due to ambiguity is a feel bad.

  • @donb7519

    @donb7519

    Жыл бұрын

    its funny you bring up monopoly the game most ruined by people adding in house rules that make it last 3 more hours than needed because they dont understand what the real rules are

  • @charliewright2667

    @charliewright2667

    Жыл бұрын

    @@donb7519 well it's not exactly a fun game otherwise lol. It's just a one-sided landslide once somebody starts winning and has an extreme snowball effect with no real way of gaining back the advantage. There's not really strategy beyond knowing which squares are more or less likely to land on and knowing to buy property as early as possible.

  • @donb7519

    @donb7519

    Жыл бұрын

    @@charliewright2667 yea but no house rule fixes and instead just can give the other players more money to give first place taking longer for them to go bankrupt

  • @charliewright2667

    @charliewright2667

    Жыл бұрын

    @@donb7519 how? Like the original rules don't give any way gaining capital except passing go and collecting rent. The chance cards can sometimes get you a little bit, but it's not enough to unseat someone once they get even slightly ahead. Early game luck is most of the game, and once someone pulls ahead, the other players just sit around while the player with a lead slowly drains them out. At least with house rules like 500 on free parking or reducing money collected upon passing go once you start developing property, layers are introduced to the game and late game actions actually matter instead of just rolling dice until you lose (assuming you're not the one winning). Personally I like to reduce money collected from passing go to 150 once you develop your first house, 100 for your first prop with 2 houses, 75 for 3, 50 for 4 and 25 for hotel. Makes development more interesting since more stuff doesn't always mean more money. Of course, hoarding houses and never going for hotels so others can't get them is almost always the best strategy and this actually rewards that, but you could bump money collected back up after developing a hotel (maybe to 75 or 100) to incentivise players actually buying hotels but play around with the rules enough and you'll probably find the game to be much more fun and interesting.

  • @coreysierchio4650
    @coreysierchio4650 Жыл бұрын

    Get ready for Smart or Scummy: Acorn holograms & Stickers.

  • @noisemarrow8986
    @noisemarrow8986 Жыл бұрын

    I think the solution to the silver border problem was to make the thin outline within the border, but outside the text and card image, and normally matched to the card's color identity, a silver color for each unlegal (so to speak) card. Just like each print run can support WUBRG and gold framed cards, this print run could have supported silver frames

  • @ferdithetank7535
    @ferdithetank7535 Жыл бұрын

    I think this entirely comes down to house rules and rule 0 interactions(which honestly aren't as common yet), since it's pretty obvious some cards are better left apart(like Chaos Confetti/Blacker Lotus combo that allows you to legally rip apart your opponent's cards), since the Companion Controversy and sideboard/outside the game shenanigans, we don't really care about official banlist anymore.

  • @RyuPlaneswalker
    @RyuPlaneswalker Жыл бұрын

    "Marc wanted to make something that he knows won't so he is forcing people to buy it because it is legal in Eternal formats"

  • @mr2ert

    @mr2ert

    Жыл бұрын

    The last unset sold well & had to be reprinted 3 times as confirmed in Mark's comic con talk. 80% of this is because of all the people saying silver boarder "isn't real magic" & Mark getting his revenge.

  • @michaelcho6484
    @michaelcho6484 Жыл бұрын

    This episode convinced me how funny these cards are! If you guys manage to get to Vegas and play Unfinity, please record or stream the game!

  • @CheessusRiced
    @CheessusRiced3 ай бұрын

    In hindsight, it's hilarious how simple the solution was. Just use a different set symbol lmao. It's kinda funny to think about when most sets are coming out with at least one bonus sheet these days.

  • @noahfriedrich4686
    @noahfriedrich4686 Жыл бұрын

    I'm particularly fond of "Duh" and "The ultimate nightmare of wizards of the coast customer service"

  • @shayneweyker
    @shayneweyker Жыл бұрын

    Fun fact about Summon the Pack. Packs from the Legions set are nothing but creatures. But Legions also contains Phage, the Untouchable. High risk, high(-ish) reward.

  • @pastello99
    @pastello99 Жыл бұрын

    I have a friend who plays The surgeon general as their five color mutate commander and it’s pretty sweet

  • @matthewjennings7645
    @matthewjennings7645 Жыл бұрын

    3:35 Did Tomor just admit to liking the Commander Clash crew? He finally sees Seth as a friend!

  • @AlistairZands
    @AlistairZands Жыл бұрын

    I have an all silver border deck. Granted, I mostly just wanted to play with Augment so I made it a bit more acceptable for most people by virtue of not including the "every player plays a sub game under the table" or "buy a drink" cards. There's plenty of funny situations without it feeling like a running a joke into the ground, and honestly many effects feel like they'd fit right in black border (contraptions were even referenced in Future Sight)

  • @MTGGoldfish

    @MTGGoldfish

    Жыл бұрын

    How do people like playing against it?

  • @MrRayRockstar
    @MrRayRockstar Жыл бұрын

    Thank you WOTC for taking my choice to unsets.

  • @WokedOx
    @WokedOx Жыл бұрын

    So do i have to bring a stickerboard every game no matter what now? Because if I copy a sticker spell then I must have one?

  • @Suppaichu
    @Suppaichu Жыл бұрын

    Crow storm's flavor text is awesome as well xD

  • @Codemasterz
    @Codemasterz Жыл бұрын

    The Grand Calcutron is a sweet card

  • @taylorarnold880
    @taylorarnold880 Жыл бұрын

    I have an infinity elemental in my bruon stout arm deck. But I sub it out if it's going to be a problem.

  • @metaphics
    @metaphics Жыл бұрын

    Farewell to Arms plus Handcuffs. Opponent can Pick between sacking three permanents and discarding their hand based on whether they want to play with their hands touching each other or one hand behind their back.

  • @atle853
    @atle853 Жыл бұрын

    No One: Seth: Cereal can be considered a drink

  • @schoolioboy
    @schoolioboy Жыл бұрын

    I not only play silver border cards like earl of squirrel but I also play the mystery booster test cards like “high troller” and “loopy lobster”. Most people like it. (Some of them are too obnoxious to play though)

  • @Ekke-MarkusMuttika
    @Ekke-MarkusMuttika Жыл бұрын

    I hate the argument that "this card should not be allowed because an asshole can annoy you with it". If someone really wants to ruin the fun for everybody then there are already endless ways for them to do that. Besides the way its phrased makes it seem like these people are super common, which really hasnt been my experience.

  • @evilgiraffe123
    @evilgiraffe123 Жыл бұрын

    Animate Object: You animate your opponents glasses. No you can't wear them it is my creature now

  • @MusicalBoarder
    @MusicalBoarder Жыл бұрын

    There's also the card from unstable "Rules Lawyer" that basically makes it so that you don't get affected by the game rules. That would obviously be too much for legal play.

  • @dominusanimus5726
    @dominusanimus5726 Жыл бұрын

    I'm surprised no one mentioned Staying Power lol crazy ass card right there

  • @jamescampbell2353
    @jamescampbell2353 Жыл бұрын

    I can’t wait to add Assembled Ensemble to my Bard Deck

  • @willvmurdaugh

    @willvmurdaugh

    Жыл бұрын

    Dang. Now I gotta build a bard deck to play-test.

  • @jamescampbell2353

    @jamescampbell2353

    Жыл бұрын

    @@willvmurdaugh I recommend using Kit Kanto and looking up all Voice, Key, bard, Aria, and performer cards

  • @RyanEglitis
    @RyanEglitis Жыл бұрын

    The most fun silver bordered card is Yet Another Æther Vortex, and it isn't close.

  • @kickinwang1817
    @kickinwang1817 Жыл бұрын

    Incoming "Chub Toad Cannonball"

  • @yodabuddy2112
    @yodabuddy2112 Жыл бұрын

    I've had a Golos combo deck that combos into Twilight Spakle and clones of ___________ (the creature you can change the name of them). Everypony should always have a chance to win XD

  • @GallantLee
    @GallantLee Жыл бұрын

    The simplest reason … Tomer @24:40 ish less the printing issue. It’s about how to sell more, whilst reducing costs

  • @GallantLee

    @GallantLee

    Жыл бұрын

    Oh and for Rosewater gets it greenlit

  • @nsmjohn
    @nsmjohn Жыл бұрын

    I will say though, as always, the new lands are sick.

  • @user-tx2mu3cr2o
    @user-tx2mu3cr2o Жыл бұрын

    Always wanted to build around crow storm...

  • @mark1A100
    @mark1A100 Жыл бұрын

    This is off topic a bit but I find it funny that mr.rosewater doesn't actually enjoy commander much(which is totally fine) but has been repeatedly been forced to warp card design and now an entire set to satisfy the formats craving due to it's shear size

  • @efnfen

    @efnfen

    Жыл бұрын

    He doesn't like commander but wants to force it to change so people have to deal with things they don't want to and he'll never play it anyway

  • @thedegenerate4511
    @thedegenerate4511 Жыл бұрын

    How do you guys feel about gold boarder cards

  • @jamesmoore1317
    @jamesmoore1317 Жыл бұрын

    Rare-B-Gone hits Toski too! We need it!

  • @psychozen7169
    @psychozen7169 Жыл бұрын

    I got cheatie face behind one my decks in the sleeves. 99 cheatie faces.

  • @loganvain3
    @loganvain3 Жыл бұрын

    I really enjoy having Phil on the podcast. I miss Richard of couse but I like the new perspective Phil brings to the podcast

  • @grizzerotwofour7858
    @grizzerotwofour7858 Жыл бұрын

    Grusilda Monster Masher is such a fun combo cmdr. Its the only reason i want silver bordered to be legal

  • @ethanglaeser9239
    @ethanglaeser9239 Жыл бұрын

    Let’s have Tomer week on Commander Clash where non-basic lands are banned. : )

  • @goelandz878
    @goelandz878 Жыл бұрын

    I already had 2 game on spelltable. Player excited about those card, to play them in commander. "Gonna buy a ton of those box, since they never going to reprint them". Then I proceed to explain that most won't be legal in commander. The player pool has no clue about it... and I seriously hope the box going to be clear there is ilegal commander card in those.

  • @mr2ert

    @mr2ert

    Жыл бұрын

    All the more reason to just make them all legal.

  • @blue9393
    @blue9393 Жыл бұрын

    Recently got a bunch of cards from of used book store where I’m at and one of the cards I found was the un-card called “Rod of Spanking.” I recommend a read of it. Edit: I think this card is a reason they shouldn’t just be legal. This type of card isn’t appropriate to just play with anyone and could make someone uncomfortable.

  • @emilypearl3510

    @emilypearl3510

    Жыл бұрын

    Right, not only does that lead to sexual harassment, but also imagine your playing with a game at your lgs and a 12 year old is part of the pod. You may even have forgotten it was in your deck. Would be, real awkward. Could also get someone in trouble who plays it without thinking.

  • @JacoDeltaco
    @JacoDeltaco Жыл бұрын

    silver border is pretty much a draft only produce which make it hard to get into because you are left with dead card that cannot be use anywhere

  • @WhammeWhamme
    @WhammeWhamme Жыл бұрын

    Also, MaRo explained why the set is all black border: the decision was made too late in the process. Ironically, the set ended up delayed anyway, so perhaps it would have been better to just take even more time to split border colours, but I can see not wanting to backtrack on the decision without at least seeing how people reacted to an actual release, not just an announcement.

  • @lob5645
    @lob5645 Жыл бұрын

    Honestly my big problem with silver-bordered/unset/whatever cards is that most of them just aren't funny, or get old fast. If you want to add some silliness or randomness to your games of commander, I think planeschase can be a much better way of doing that.

  • @lxyacht
    @lxyacht Жыл бұрын

    I remember my LGS ran an unhinged draft when the set came out. It was the most miserable day of magic I've ever experienced. Honestly they're super annoying to play with.

  • @joshuaslye2442
    @joshuaslye2442 Жыл бұрын

    I have a great idea but Booster Tutor on an Isochron Scepter.

  • @Uri6060
    @Uri60603 ай бұрын

    Late to the game, but I do wish they made April 1st the Un-day. Like how cool would it be to make un cards legal on April 1st, then card shops could hold a special Un-day and stuff!

  • @PoopinaBucket
    @PoopinaBucket Жыл бұрын

    If they have the reprint set with all these un cards, then I hope they call it Unstoppable!

  • @jamiekuryla3940
    @jamiekuryla3940 Жыл бұрын

    I still have my blacker lotus and i keep it for a proxy of black lotus

  • @JonathanHecht
    @JonathanHecht Жыл бұрын

    booster tutor is really fun in cubes

  • @mightyone3737
    @mightyone3737 Жыл бұрын

    I liked Un cards when I first came across them, and I bought a few of them because they were funny. Everyone should have a Rock Lobster! But anyways, I think most of the cards won't be a problem, but plenty of cards fall under the category of 'do not run in most metas'. I mean, people try to run Mass Land Destruction and Stax in relatively casual games, it's a known issue where people build a relatively bad Stax deck and decide that because it rarely wins at a table full of 7s, maybe it's a 6 or 5, only to for the playgroup to find out that it's a bad 7, not necessarily a good match for a lower power table. I used to play some because I didn't have very many cards, but I think people using them that have decent judgement will be fine, or nobody will play with them. The issue is people who don't have good judgement and don't know what is going to be fun to play against, it's not just about winning, there are stronger things but these are really dumb effects sometimes. I think I agree with Seth, making these black border is to confuse people, to increase their level of play by having people play illegal cards. The list of 'attributes they are looking for' to make a card 'Acorn' is pretty reasonable. As noted, I like weird cards, so playing with Silver Border/Acorn cards seems reasonable, with the caveat that you still need to figure out your power level. For the record, I would prefer people use Crow Storm as a win con over any other Storm win con, just saying. It's big upside would be that you could play it in mono-blue as another Storm win con for Legacy?

  • @Blizz3112
    @Blizz3112 Жыл бұрын

    I feel as long as the card is well-costed, effect is balanced enough despite being silly, and the card text IN GENERAL is properly placed on the card (and not a mess to deal with), let it be legal... Like, the monster piece cards that you can attach to each other are silly... but are they broken? I don't think so... they are fairly corrected costed as well...

  • @alaricpaley6865
    @alaricpaley6865 Жыл бұрын

    The other thing with asking is like... They say yes, and now they know what you're upto.

  • @Wolfsspinne
    @Wolfsspinne Жыл бұрын

    I think they should have keyworded it. Like: *Uncard* ( _A_ _deck_ _can_ _have_ _X_ _cards_ _named_ ~ _where_ _X_ _is_ _the_ _number_ _all_ _players_ _agree_ _on_ _before_ _the_ _game_ .) Or: *Ruled* 0 ( _A_ _deck_ _can_ _have_ _0_ _cards_ _named_ ~ _unless_ _all_ _players_ _agree_ _on_ _any_ _other_ _number_ _before_ _the_ _game_ .)

  • @senken12
    @senken12 Жыл бұрын

    A gold dragon creature token is totally a colourless artifact creature that can be sacrificed to add one mana of any colour

  • @pixelbomb97
    @pixelbomb97 Жыл бұрын

    They talked a lot about an un-masters set, if they do it they should call it unoriginal.

  • @jamiekuryla3940
    @jamiekuryla3940 Жыл бұрын

    i was at the gen-con prerelease for the unglued set with mark in the chicken suit, before i know who mark rosewater even was lol.

  • @MrJohnblake15
    @MrJohnblake15 Жыл бұрын

    A cool question I love asking: how did you find your playstyle?

  • @nathanialmynameisajoke
    @nathanialmynameisajoke Жыл бұрын

    The only part of unsets i cared about are full art lands so, if they go away lol

  • @Eddyb1e
    @Eddyb1e Жыл бұрын

    Sounds like we might be considering a 3rd EDH format? Silver Border allowed at all times, Casual where only "legal" cards are allowed and Competitive where also only "legal" cards are allowed? Seems fine.

  • @sharlockshacolmes9381
    @sharlockshacolmes9381 Жыл бұрын

    Maybe they should just make a format where silver border is legal with a banlist for the cards that are too broken to be played.

  • @drinkupnerds
    @drinkupnerds Жыл бұрын

    Watermarks are exactly the idea I had, too.

  • @shadowfox513
    @shadowfox513 Жыл бұрын

    I actually played a game where someone cast a summon the pack. I was very new to magic at the time, and I thought it was hilarious. I also thought it was a legal card until the play group told me otherwise

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