I’ve noticed recently, after watching a lot of Pastor Winger’s and Melissa and Doreen’s videos, some concerning things in my own church. From prosperity-ish messages (God wants you to be without troubles!), to Bethel songs (reckless love), to reading from the Passion “translation”. I’m really uncomfortable when these things go on, it’s clear the leaders think they’re doing the right thing, the emotion and sincerity is evident. It’s absolutely terrifying how sneakily the new age is creeping into the House of God, even Christians aren’t immune to being deceived!!! We need to be discerning and diligent in our study of the INFALLIBLE Word. It’s all we have

@HickoryDickory86

4 жыл бұрын

"For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and produce great signs and omens, to lead astray, if possible, even the elect" (Matt 24:24).

@rosannadana2922

4 жыл бұрын

Have you watched Doreens yt, Pastor discussing Bethel church and update to that.. The update today, they discuss that song, music. I so agree with your observations

@DentGal83

4 жыл бұрын

I had to leave my last church after engaging with the pastors for a couple years to discuss heresies sneaking in... It’s so sad and terrifying to see the rampant deception.

@rosannadana2922

4 жыл бұрын

@@DentGal83 I did to back in 05..even then..progressively its everywhere and growing worse. Church I've been visiting, see it there... I, like many have been doing online church.

@BacknFiveProductions

4 жыл бұрын

Summer Larson - Fear of the Lord is the beginning of all wisdom. Fear God and it would be difficult to be deceived.

This reminds me of Sarah Young's book, Jesus Calling. On top of the adulteration and personal interpretation of scripture, this is emotional manipulation, something we see taking place in churches now -- the repeated mantras and swells in music all geared toward pulling the congregation in through their emotions. Obedience to God doesn't have to involve these intense emotions. "The fruit of the Spirit is... ...self-control." Must we have an emotional reaction to get something out of scripture? Why not simply read God's word, learn and apply?

@jackjones3657

3 жыл бұрын

Well said!

@richardthenryvideos

3 жыл бұрын

Sarah young is dangerous too.

@Vita1ized

2 жыл бұрын

Self control towards sin. Paul said if he is beside himself, its for God. If hes in his right mind, its for you.

@janrogers5691

2 жыл бұрын

AMEN. You have said everything I feel. I’m very thankful for Melissa and Mike Winger!!

45:45-47:25 YES, this was me at my old church. I felt great after leaving service because I kept hearing how I was going to change the world and do all these awesome things, and kept hearing the same crap over and over again. Real life would hit and I would fall apart, then hear how I needed to stir myself up and dance and worship until I felt better or my trial/tribulation/regular sucky life circumstance was over. It was so detrimental to my mental health. Those kind of teachings can lead to such a warped view of God and His character ☹

@donnat639

4 жыл бұрын

Kimberlee Green : Praise God you left. We left our dead Evangelical heresy too, so it’s everywhere these days. We only chase Jesus & encourage others to follow Him by reading 📖 His word. There’s no other way. Besides He’s coming real soon only not soon enough for me. I wish it was yesterday already!! This place we suffer through was bad, now worse & only getting stinkier!!!!! Sorry 😐 for that.

@theshunnedBandersnatch

4 жыл бұрын

@@donnat639 Praise God that you got out, as well! It really brings home that verse where Paul talks about how in the last days, even the elect, if possible, would be deceived. The twisting of scripture i's so subtle. It wasn't an easy lesson to learn, but a very valuable one.

@lynettedevries1824

4 жыл бұрын

Hello Sister, I watch 3 really good KZread channels that expose wolves and churches like Bethel. One is STEVEN KOZAR, another is SPENCER SMITH who had a couple of really good videos on Bethel music. One titled BETHEL CHURCH OPENLY PRACTICING ISLAMIC MYSTICISM. Another was titled HILLSONG CHRISTMAS 2019 REVIEW - PAGAN GODDESSES,.. There are 2 channels with the same name so type in the video title first and lastly FIGHTING FOR THE FAITH. In a recent video of Hillsong church, Brian Houston was using a Passion Bible. I don't follow either his church or Bethel with it's fire tunnels which some commenters said that they received evil spirits and had to be delivered after.

@theshunnedBandersnatch

4 жыл бұрын

@@lynettedevries1824 Thank you so much for the suggestions! I love Fighting for the Faith; I'll have to check out Bancarz and Smith next 😊

@arelentlessstudent

4 жыл бұрын

Kimberlee, Your testimony is becoming more prevalent today and that isn't a good thing. I have heard the same thing from so many others who become disillusioned with the whole "Jesus loves you, it's okay" spiel for exactly the reasons you mentioned. People need to know, before they can truly understand and accept what Christ did for them, that they were enemies of God, lost without Him in the world. We're just not preaching that today...

The fist time my pastor read from the Passion i was disgusted. I didn't understand why but i instantly hated it. It was as if i felt insulted and tasted something vile at the same time. The pastor looked up at our little flock and said, "isnt that beautiful?" And I literally said, "No!" So i did a little research. It wasnt much but it was enough to convince me that it wasn't a valid translation and probably shouldn't be used in service. My pastor read from it a few times since and every time i felt appalled. I said something to our associate pastor and thought it was resolved.... This past Sunday my son told me his Sunday school teacher used the Passion in class and i was instantly alarmed. And now, a few days later, this video shows up in my feed.... Wow! I now have some good information to bring to my church about this "translation!" Thank you for investigating and bringing light and truth. Please continue this good work for the glory of God. I pray my church elders hear my plea!

@fish.have.feelings4349

4 жыл бұрын

You should run from that church if your leadership does not have discernment against this book I fear what else they are allowing thru.

@carolynroan529

4 жыл бұрын

Keep sounding the alarm!! If they do not heed, you leave.

@mommy2lou

4 жыл бұрын

I sent them an email this morning and also a copy to the head church on hopes this will be stopped from further infiltration.

@carolynroan529

4 жыл бұрын

@@mommy2lou Good for you Adria. I have prayed for you because you have been sent for such a time as this. GOD BLESS YOU!!

@mommy2lou

4 жыл бұрын

@@carolynroan529 thank you! Prayer means so much; God bless you!

Hi Melissa, thank you for taking so much time and efforts making these video’s. Both you and Mike have motivated me to read the bible more than before. God bless you, from the Netherlands

Activate is a new age term. Activating your gifts is new age. Raising your vibration, they use astrology, this whatever astrology, these geomagnetic storms, etc, are going to activate these things in us as we continue to develop. Light codes coming down to activate gifts, increase our vibration, this is huge in the new age.

@MettleInkpen

3 жыл бұрын

I've been hearing this term, "activate" in reference to the Holy Spirit...at the church I've been attending. Plus, lots of other things that I've been questioning--which led me to do research on "prosperity gospel" & Word of Faith movement--once I had a term to research (just recently). That opened up a whole world of information. So, the more I learn from Melissa on this channel, Mike Winger's channel, Allen Parr, Apologia Studios, Cultish, Steven Bancartz, & Spencer Smith the more my questions are answered. While there is relief in learning more about the truth, there is a grieving process when you realize some things. It feels like you just discovered you have a very bad fiance & must break off the impending marriage--coupled with a desire to warn others. Still processing & determining next steps...Ultimately, very thankful for the brave folks willing to share this information.

"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed." Gal. 1:8 Adding to, subtracting from, and rewording God's Holy Scriptures is clearly a cursed action. Even just adding the word "a" completely changes Christian theology in John by changing "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God" to "the Word was a god." Satan mascarades as an angel of light and Joseph Smith justified his "revelation" by claiming he was instructed by an angel. We have the complete Scripture and need no angel to teach us. I fear that those who receive angelic revelation are heretics, longing to receive special knowledge, just as Adam and Eve desired the special knowledge Satan offered in the Garden of Eden.

@donnat639

4 жыл бұрын

Eureka Hope ... yup, look how far we fall when we choose not to obey. These: signs, wonders, angels or demons 😈, false hope, fake healings, lies, ‘new’ translations (Ecclesiastes says nothing new under ☀️) all steal God’s glory & are never enough. The world screams, MORE MORE MORE. Satan’s gonna give it to them. 😢 very sad 😢 so be filled with the Joy of the Lord, found in the simplicity of God’s Son. He is Christ our Messiah. No need for a fake copy: 🥰 Him!!

@transgeek2345

3 жыл бұрын

That's a direct quotation from the Reversed Scripture used by Jehovah Witnesses

I remember when I was young, the Living Bible came out. And my mentor kept saying to me (I was fairly young), "Now remember, this is a PARAPHRASE, not a translation. You just sort of read it for fun, but you can't take it seriously for study." But it sounds like this one is almost heresy.

I'm really glad you covered this "Passion translation" issue. I know several people in my Baptist church who feel this is a good 'translation!' The young adults evening service at the church periodically sites verses from the "Passion translation." This can qualify as a result of the "Progressive Christianity" movement within many churches today.

@donnat639

4 жыл бұрын

Jack Jones ... yes, NAR is after the Evangelical church. For sure. My Pentecostal friend slide into NAR. I didn’t see how bad it was at first. Now I pray God wakes her up. NAR makes all these false claims of healing & signs. We need to remind them salvation is a miracle & that Jesus is Enough. We don’t need all this junk NAR is pushing. I hope they choke on it those who rob God of His glory!!!

@FireFly-tj3km

4 жыл бұрын

@@donnat639 I am familiar with the NAR and the errors they promote. But to say that healings are false signs is going too far. I am also familiar with fundamentalism and evangelicalism and charismatic movement. Errors are in every movement and denomination. I can say that healing is still a valid experience. I have seen many healings myself and even seen healings at my own prayers. You can fall into a ditch on either side of the road. So be careful you don't throw out the baby with bath water and swallow one bad doctrine to counteract another one. God bless.

@thatsjustnuts

3 жыл бұрын

@@FireFly-tj3km I have to disagree. The way your statement (and other statements from other “healers”) comes across is that YOU allowed the healing by praying and that God did not plan on healing until you prayed. I’m just a simpleton, but I believe God will heal who he is going to heal, according to His plan.

@joshuah.9687

2 жыл бұрын

@Jack Jones Send this video to your pastor & youth leader! Save them from the false teachers and heretic!

I’ve never heard TPT used in my church or any other church I’ve ever visited. And I have to admit that I have mixed feelings about your views on TPT. Believe it or not, there’s been times when I’ve prayed about something and I’ll randomly receive an email from TPT with a devotional that is literally talking about what I just prayed about. Anyway, I’ll pray about this too! And hopefully not get my answer through a TPT devo lol! Edit* I like when Mike says “you have no authority to change God’s Word” and then goes on to share Proverbs “Every word of the Lord is pure. Do not add to His word, lest He rebuke you”.... Lord remove everything and anything out of my life that is not from You or of You. Today I pray for discernment. I pray for eyes to see and ears to hear and a heart that receives and responds in accordance with Your Word.

@sinolukhalo5121

3 жыл бұрын

Remember: God uses sinners too. So just because God used something/someone to get to you, doesn’t make that medium “godly.”

@jackjones3657

3 жыл бұрын

Don't look for signs or wondrous things to confirm something you are convicted by. God's Word is sufficient and He has already revealed His Will.

I saw Brian Simmons on the Sid Roth show explain how in a dream he wanted to steal books while in the presence of Jesus and that Jesus told him about John 23. I’m not sure if people do not do their homework on these issues, but the evidence is out there, and not hard to find. Any church that endorses the PT is a huge red flag for me.

@fish.have.feelings4349

4 жыл бұрын

Amen sis. If the leaders don't have discernment about this book being written from demons what else is happening.

@donnat639

4 жыл бұрын

Many churches today are just buildings with ppl in it Sunday morning who check the block that says done ✅. My husband calls them “church of the damned”. I didn’t like it bc it’s sad to think of so many 🔥 ppl. Unfortunate how correct he is. The truth is Luke 18:18-30 “...who can be saved?...What is impossible with man is possible with God.” We trust Him to know what’s happening today is His will. God’s judgment is right. His ways are higher.

@jackjones3657

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! I know professing Christians who use this translation almost exclusively! One has been a Christian for 60 years, growing up in the Baptist church! God's people are not thinking critically.

This information is amazing. Ohhhhhhhhh how the body of Christ is being deceived. . Every Christian needs to hear this!!!!

The fact that The Passion ‘Translation’ has become so popular so quickly is a big concern. People think they’re reading the Word of God but they aren’t. At best it’s one man’s work to promote his twisted theology. At worst, it’s demonically inspired. And considering how Simmons says he got started on the project (a visit to the library of heaven, talking directly with Jesus, and being shown John 22 on a shelf) I think I know which it is.

Any translation done by one person is a big NOOOOO for me.

@rampartranger7749

4 жыл бұрын

mstramaine , Except it is not in any way a “translation.” It’s a restyled re-write of the Bible by someone wanting to plant his own presuppositions in the “finished product.”

@dgibbs8851

3 жыл бұрын

Especially when the guy’s initials are BS?!?!

@winburna852

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, should go through a rigorous committee made up of sound Godly men.

@winburna852

3 жыл бұрын

@@dgibbs8851 Hahaha xD

@DRG5559

3 жыл бұрын

If I was to give a translation from the bible, it would not be accepted as truth because I am only one? If it is God's truth, that would be blasphemy not to believe. The disciples asked Jesus, "Why do you speak to the people in parables?" Jesus replied, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, has been given to you, but not to them. Jesus said in ( John 16:25 ) Though I have been speaking figuratively, a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my father. He called it another language. He was speaking in tongues. That is why there are so many different translations. He said, "I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter things hidden since the creation of the World. Seek first his kingdom and his righteousness. The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field; the field is the world. In Revelation, The new heaven and the new earth, and I saw the Holy city, the New Jerusalem. The Angel who talked with me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the city it's gate's and it's wall's. He measured the city with the rod and found it to be about 1400 miles in lenght. And as wide as it is high. The city was laid out like a square. A square is a measuring tool like a "L" shape ruler, but more like a compus. It's as easy as putting a camel through the eye of a needle, if the needle is a state and the camel is a town. With man this is impossible, but with God, all things are possible. It to bad that no one believes in me. The Son of Man has the authority to forgive sins on earth, and whoever believes in him may have eternal life. Ask and it will be given to you, seek and you will find, knock and the door will be opened. So the problem I have is that I AM only one? ( Matt.18:19 ) Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by my father In heaven. For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them. Now if this was true, this world would be a whole lot better, don't you think? And the reason why is because the son's name is Immanuel, which means, God with us. And God gave him that name. (1 John 4:1-3 ) "Test the spirit"

Thank you, I threw that Passion translation out. I am a new believer of 4 years. Your channel is helping me.

Thank you two for covering this. God bless!

Can you add to my list of red flags about this translation? 1. Translated by one person 2. Isn’t qualified to make a translation 3. Lies about his work/qualifications 4. Says it’s good enough for careful study when it’s basically a paraphrase. 5. Says there’s a secret chapter in John yet to be revealed. 6. Sells the Bible over-priced in parts 7. Claims special knowledge about the biblical languages. If you go on the passion translation website and read the verse comparisons it exposes itself. Read the other 4 translations compared to TPT and it’s the odd one out in several of the given texts.

@MusedeMented

4 жыл бұрын

Says it was translated by "special inspiration directly from God" that gave him heretofore "hidden knowledge".

Hey Melissa! Thanks so much for doing this interview! This previous summer I spent about a month and a half studying out the passion translation after watching some of Mike's videos. What Mike covers is only the tip of the iceberg on how many issues there are (additions, changes, double and triple translating, eisegesis instead of exegesis, Brian Simon's etc). I would love to share some of my findings with both of you if you ever have a bit to chat. Let me know and I can share some of my 200+ pages of notes and sources. I also made a simplified version as well where it's about 80 pages. Would love to get some of the stuff out to help the body of Christ not be swayed by this supposed translation :)

@StephenKluever

4 жыл бұрын

Feel free to email me at stephen@readyanswers.com and I can share more of the info. I am just starting an apologetics website and am planning on posting some of this stuff on there.

God Bless you Sister and Pr. Mike Winger! Thank you for providing good Biblical content! ✝️👏👏🙌👍

Thank you Melissa and Mike, appreciate the time and research you have put into this very important issue.

This is an excellent video. Thanks to you Melissa and Mike for bringing well researched information to the table.

Thank you, Melissa and Mike! Great video. Shared. I really pray that people's eyes will be opened.

Ayy! Two of my favorite people back together again!

I'm so glad I found this video. I had been using this translation for a bit, as a minister I have been studying with has been using it. One day, I began to read James, as he has named this book Jacob, and in 1:1, he translated James as saying he was the "love-slave of God". For some reason antennas went up immediately.. thank u for breaking this down and confirming my thought.

@vinodrai7800

3 жыл бұрын

Well If you go to history Originally it was a book of Jacob “Yaakov” (Hebrew) . It was changed to James coz James was more "popular English name" and the Name of king was coincidently was James.

Thank you!!!👍🏻🤗🙏🏼Really appreciate your videos, your guests, all the insight, and the time you put into them.

The Passion Translation is not a translation. Thank you for exposing this!

Always astonished to learn from you, Melissa, and I've been lead to and have been following Pastor Mike as he has been a rich source of learning as well! Not surprised at all to see you two tending to the flock together! God bless you BOTH and the entire family in Christ Jesus!

Blessings all. I came across Mike's channel in 2017. He is a very nice teacher, thanks for all the work you are doing. Thanks for doing these videos.

Im so thankful for you and Doreen are doing🙌 I've learned and grown so much as you humbly share the truth.,God bless y'all and your beautiful families🙏🕊💙

The YouVersion Bible app I use has The Passion ‘translation’ as an option. I messaged the app people to ask them to reconsider whether it should be included... and they said they use translations that are consistent with mainstream, historical Christianity. I’ve asked them to watch yours/Mike’s videos on this subject, and haven’t heard back. Maybe others could do that too - it’s so frustrating to see that ‘translation’ so available to people. And that app even has devotional content from TPT! Ahhhhh!!!!

@fish.have.feelings4349

4 жыл бұрын

I'll email them.

@donnat639

4 жыл бұрын

I have that app but never use it. I prefer GTY bible app & sermons or like now: KZread information, clarity, current events/updates, & ministry. I never even heard of Passion Translation. It’s another Satan inspired gospel. I’m an ESV, KJV, NKJV, BibleHub user. Those are my limits. I choked on Message Bible (got one to see what young women at Bible class were reading). It’s difficult for older gen. to speak to younger: they think they know so much. Hard not to become cynical. Ray Comfort is uplifting. He tells them like it is!!!! 😂

@GemsOfGrace

4 жыл бұрын

I never got into the Passion translation (thankfully) BUT I’ve been using YouVersion for years now. I’ve done literally hundreds of their “bible plans” and a lot of them are from contemporary charismatic preachers.. until pretty recently I never knew the problem with reading and/or listening to people like Joyce Meyer, TD Jakes, etc. God in His rich mercy has brought me out of the charismatic movement but I wonder if it’s wrong to keep using YouVersion seeing how much they promote the new and false Christianity and bible “translations”. Would love to know some of your thoughts.

@ynetsv136

4 жыл бұрын

I've approached them already 3 or more times in the past with simular experience but then I noticed one of their members maybe even founder is involved in the NAR movement deeply which made me understand why they are so passive in their response. I loved the app but I decided for that reason to uninstall it, but like the App +Sharon Benjamin mentioned I'm using the blue letter bible app too. Not the sleek interface maybe but it has solid tools like cross reference, translation comparison and for me very useful text commentaries included, I use the one of David Guzik. I can recommend that app too.

@MandyMakesThat

4 жыл бұрын

They also have many Bible plans from other false teachers such as Joyce Meyers and Kenneth Copeland. It's so sad .... This is precisely why scripture says to test our spirits.

Thank you for the wisdom and truth. Blessings in. Jesus Christ to you❤️

I appreciate this discussion. It's becoming more and more scary to be part of the church in these last days. It doesn't feel safe because everyone seems to be on a different page re. Bethel movement, Prosperity Gospel, NAR, end times, same sex attraction and social justice. After nearly 38 years of doing my best to stay close to the Lord, I am beginning to feel safer in 'the world' than the Body of Christ. At least there, you know the basic ground rules.

Really enjoying your videos. Thank you for bringing up topics such as this that need to be addressed.

Love you and Mike! Appreciate you both so much!

He's New Age, clearly...a mystic, just like Eugene Peterson and his Message.

@jackjones3657

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! The Message is also NOT a translation but a commentary or at best, a paraphrase.

@richardthenryvideos

3 жыл бұрын

Worse still is that Simmons claims this is a TRANSLATION. Peterson calls his a paraphrase. The reader knows why he is getting when he reads Peterson. But is quite possibly deceived when he reads simmons

Great and informative interview!!! Thank you! Praise Jesus!

You two together on a video crack me up! Your message is spot on and you make it very clear, you also can joke without taking away the truth of the message. Thanks, I always enjoy watching you two together.☺️👍

I never knew there was any controversy about this translation until someone mentioned it at our church recently. Unfortunately our pastors use both the passion and the message translations (along with other more reliable translations). I sent this video to our pastor's wife, hopefully she'll pay attention and pass it along to her husband, our head pastor. . I also sent it to a friend of mine who loves this transition and she replied to my message with "yeah no, 20 minutes into this video and I don't believe a word these people are saying". Then she proceeded to argue with me about the credibility of it and all the translations but completely missed the point that ONE delusional guy came up with the passion where as TEAMS of scholars put together the bible. (The true collection of Godly inspired words). I hope she is lead to look deeper into it. I know there are many out there who would rather just follow blindly these things that make them feel good. . Honestly I enjoyed this translation for the most part until I learned of the truth of it. Now I know better and will stay away from it. I'm starting to feel like we need to find a new church as well, especially if the pastor keeps using these translations! There are other things I'm not very comfortable with at our church as well however for now the good things outweigh the bad so we'll stay for now.🤷‍♀️ Thank you for this video and all the info!! You guys are awesome.

May God richly bless both of you for bringing out the truth!

Oh man, the NAR church we came out of endorsed the Passion Translation and invited Brian Simmons to come speak each year. Our young pastor swore by this “translation” and told everyone about it. So so sad how far the church has drifted from Scripture and can’t discern if they are reading a false translation. Sighhhhhhhh! 😮🤨

@grapesofthevine1801

4 жыл бұрын

My old pastor started teaching from the Passion shortly after I left the church when they started bringing NAR into the church... A week before Brian Simmons was supposed to come speak at his church, something awoke in him and he became aware of the danger of it and how off it is, he began researching it and ended up throwing it away and telling Brian not to come. Praise God that he woke up from that. We have to pray for these pastors who are being led away by these teachings. God can bring them back!

@emf49

4 жыл бұрын

I feel your sighhhh....

@donnat639

4 жыл бұрын

Grapes of the Vine ... Yes, I believe God calls, directs, opens eyes & hears, saves whomever HE wills not us: no matter how little or how much we like it. These choices are not ours. God is a righteous Judge. He knows best. Pray for these folks to discern, wake up & that God saves them. Even those who appear to be saved, we may not know they are. Only God can know the heart. That said, once you know the Real thing, counterfeits are easy to spot. ☀️ Keep shining Jesus onto darkness!!

@lynettedevries1824

4 жыл бұрын

@@grapesofthevine1801, I looked at a recent video from Brian Houston's church Hillsong and he was reading from a passion Bible. He said on another video that we believe in the same God as the Muslims, no we don't. Anyway I have nothing to do with his church or Bethel. There are 2 very good channels perhaps 3 that expose wolves. One is STEVEN KOZAR, another is SPENCER SMITH there are 2 by the same name so a good title to start you off of his is MODERN WORSHIP = WESTERN WHITE MAGIC HYPNOTISM? The last one is FIGHTING FOR THE FAITH. Some church leaders and most evangelists use Freemason hand signs like Kenneth Copeland and even Joel Osteen.

@grapesofthevine1801

4 жыл бұрын

@@lynettedevries1824 I've been doing research on all this stuff for a couple years now I watch fighting for the faith all the time, same I dont follow Bethel, Hillsong, Elevation, Jesus Image, and have studied what's wrong with all of them since I left my church. It's good when u find ppl who see it too. People dont understand how important it is to expose them. It could save someone alot of deception and heartache.

Thank you for your videos! They are amazing!

Well done. Condensed a lot of information with more. Thank you!

I used to watch Mike a lot, then saw a video where he seemed to defend Bethel, and began to wonder if he was actually as sound as I had believed. I am so glad to see this video, and look forward to watching him again. I am not able to do the research that you two are doing, but so appreciate your work. I am amazed to read the comments and realize that I am not alone in having a good base, followed by years of wandering, getting back into my faith only to discover how many churches do not teach sound doctrine. It has been an amazing journey being made aware of error and pulled into a new place by the Holy Spirit. (Not in a “I got a vision,” but more of the “Huh!!! WHAT did he just say????” poke in the gut! What an awesome God we have.

Thank you Pastor Mike and Melissa for openly exposing heresy. Praise God!!!

*I Think the big point this video brings out for me, is the fact that these false teachers can no longer lie without them being revealed. The information era is not a celebrated time for false teachers. Because for the first time in history now we have at everyone's finger tips the ability to verify everything! Great Video guys,Thanks* 😎

Love this video! Thanks so much! 😊

2 of my favorite people here 😍 Love you Melissa and Mike God bless you guys ministries. They have been a great tool in my life thank you so much for your hard work stading strong in the Word of God!!! Amen

@woodb51

4 жыл бұрын

eileenjared I agree. Mike and Melissa are very sound!

Thank you so much for this! It’s very helpful.

Mike and Melissa, thank you for all your videos. My wife and I have watched too many of them to count. Bless you both for calling out the things of this NAR movement and bringing to light what many people don't have a clue about. This morning I was reading in 2 Thessalonians, and wouldn't you know it. Just as the Holy Spirit does, He puts things into perspective as we allow Him to speak to us. Check this out. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 NIV Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us-whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter-asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God. Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness. No wonder this false religion is so wrapped up in miracles, signs, and wonders. They're paving the way for the anti christ to be revealed and have millions of followers. They won't be put off by the things he says or does because they will be used to it. They will have been hearing these heresies already in their churches by this anti christ's predecessors. Couple that with Gods powerful delusion and they won't know anything is wrong. Even now we see so many of these blind followers coming out of bethel and the like. They have an almost cultic attitude toward love and worship, not like the normalcy we would see at a normal church. It is strange indeed. The biggest problem I'm seeing is that this NAR movement is infiltrating even our normal churches because of their exquisite, even excellent music. Not many are sounding the alarm and even when they do most pastors, like mine, are not taking it seriously. In my opinion, in the past clowns like Joel Osteen, Creflo Dollar, Benny Hinn, Joyce Meyer were definitely deceiving many. But they were not really accepted as legitimate. Not like now with what is happening with this new NAR movement. It is creeping into (for lack of a better term) every orifice of the Christian body of believers. I am struggling with what church to go to. Jesus sure wasn't joking when He talked about a narrow gate. It seems as if it may be shrinking as well.

Excellent video!! Thank you!!

I have been Churchless for 5 years now. Still looking, but I trust God will place me where I am needed.

This really a great video. Thank you!

Thank you soo much for this!

God bless your ministry. I’m so encouraged that you’re bringing awareness of the deceitfulness of the passion bible. When I first read a passage from the passion bible, it was a translation that interpret the Bible for you. The way the translator wanted me to take in. Immediately red flag went up. The truth is if you’re a student of the scripture, every word counts and directs what God wants us to understand. For the passion bible to add lines and words into the passage that’s not in the original scripture clearly shows it’s evil intent. What better way to confuse and destroy believers than to adulterate the scared text? This is so serious if many are beginning to read this bible. In a time where very few believers read and study the Bible, the church is primed to embrace this danger. Thank you for your heart to up hold the truth.

Thank you guys for the eye-opening message. I thank God for the work u r doing for the body of Christ. Melissa, I like the type of questions tht u were asking Mike, they help to portray a bigger picture. Mike, u r awesome in your presentation. I’m really blessed to have stumbled across this topic 🙌🏽

Good job you two . Blessings

Thanks for your talk. I had never heard of this Passion Translation,but now I am aware.It is very deceiving

Thanks so much for sharing that Melissa :) We should know this stuff...

Thank you for talking about this. I only recently heard of this translation. I've heard it quoted by leading NAR folks. Most don't realize the origins of this translation. I'm hoping to talk about this to my Charismatic friends. Thanks again

God Bless you Melissa. We need more of your generation to completely derail the heretics and false teachers.

I believe that Brian Simon's was visited by an angel, but not an angel of God

@americasnanafromtexas4432

3 жыл бұрын

Yes Brian Simmons was visited by a Fallen Angel just like Joseph Smith!!!

@curiositychroniclesx

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly first thing I thought was Mormonism

@Truthjustice23

3 жыл бұрын

Of course angel of heresy No doubt!! STAND FOR THE TRUTH people of God.

@mrupholsteryman

3 жыл бұрын

Just like Muhammad.....

I had never heard of this book before. Thanks for the heads up!

We thank Lord Jesus for both of you !!! This world is a terribly evil place to be without God !!! We love you dear brother and sister !!!

Just chiming in to say this "translation" started being used regularly from the pulpit at our church here in Boise. Well, at what used to be our church. When I first read some of the PT, I experienced the same feelings I had when I used to read New Age books: they're the empty and lifeless words of man. Thanks for all your great content Melissa! ♥️

Thanks for the warning!

ESV is my go to...!!!

When I found out about all of this Bethel type stuff and the Passion Translation I was highly unaware! I was VERY weak in theology.

@lynettedevries1824

4 жыл бұрын

Brian Houston from Hillsong uses the Passion Bible too. I have nothing to do with his church or Bethel.

My good friend who is a pastor wife told me that a woman came to speak at their church’s women’s retreat and she wasn’t honest about her beliefs She used the passion and my friend wasn’t sure what to do she was shocked! Thanks for doing this video I appreciate you and Mike

Mike and Melissa, thank you for your efforts here. Good to know. I had looked into TPT before buying it and saw something on the related website about criticism of Mr. Simmons for being associated with the NAR. (Not very familiar with the NAR at that point, and still not, but thanks to you two I have at least some idea now.) My take at that point was “yeah, whatever. There are nut cases out there damning everything, just for the sake of hearing themselves talk.” I picked up a copy. I haven’t read it much, just kind of added it to my shelf. I’ll be much more aware of what’s behind it now.

Love this! 😊

THE DEVIL IS A LIAR!!!! I hope Mr. Simmons realizes he is being used in a bad way!!

@jackjones3657

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed, Mr. Simmons needs to be confronted about the grave sin of adding to and taking away from God's Word. His immortal soul is clearly in danger!

Thanks for the info. I was going to buy a Passion translation Bible.

I'm very wary of these recent translations... very very wary!

I have read the whole New Testament and Psalms and Proverbs from the Passion translation and it was very simplistic and easy to read . I got it to read with my kids . I think you are right about the NAR and how this translation makes their teachings palatable . It’s very emotion based. My husband really liked psalms and proverbs . He was abused as a kid and it was a great starting translation . He nows reads the ESV . All in all I was not impressed and haven’t wanted to read it again. I love the ISV , KJV and sometimes the Amplified. Most importantly, I pray before I read any translation that God would send his Holy Spirit and wisdom and understanding and he always does.

Galatians:1-9. Live it love it learn it (Along with the rest of God's word.)

You had me at "he changed the meaning from the original texts." The further we remove ourselves from the Greek or the Hebrew the more likely we are to misunderstand or be influenced by the translator's personal biases. Reading any translation is like kissing God through a towel.

Hey Mike, you and Chris Roseborough should do a video together

@sharroon7574

4 жыл бұрын

I was totally thinking how much he would love this interview.

@charityellison5578

3 жыл бұрын

That would be so funny in such a great way!!

I've just discovered this channel the other day. If only I'd seen this particular topic only 2 weeks ago, I would not have purchased a copy of TPT. We are going on a road trip soon, and I thought this compact version would be easier to pack than my lovely old dogeared and worn NKJ version. After all, the girls in my small group, and the group leader all have TPT and rave about how wonderful it is. Upon first reading it, I did think it was a little lavish and emotional 😕. Hmmm yes. Well looks like the trusty NKJ for me. Thanks for this video!

I was given this Bible when I was at a rehab at a church. Thank you for releasing this video, I'm going to burn it

Thank you!

Taken aback by this video and glad I came across it. The more I listened, the more I feel uneasy about this translation. I naively liked this “translation”. I wonder if it’s appeal is in its deception. I don’t think it’s coincidence I came across this video. Thank you Melissa.

Thank yo for sharing this, it is soo important!🙏 I just want to share one thing. It is important what translation you have, even if it is close to the original text. There are often small differences that are very subtle. I know by own experience. Here in Sweden there is different translations and they can look good at first sight, but then when you look closer you see small differences. For example one whole verse is taken away in many translations and in one place half of the verse. It is an hidden agenda I believe. I recommend strongly to have KJV, it was like God's word really got alive when I changed to that translation, from other translations I have read before❤🙏

Thank you for this! The passion translation of the New Testament and 3 Old Testament books is on my library app. Just read the intro to Matthew and that alone was doozy 🤦‍♀️

Sadly, this is true of the large Baptist Church I was attending: They use Bethel and Hillsong music, incorporate the Passion and The Message, embrace the worldly "Social Justice" narratives . . . And the leaders got VERY defensive when congregants raised concern. These seem to be the consequences of the many churches that are more concerned with 'seeker sensitivity' and numbers than anything else.

@jamiehensley2728

3 жыл бұрын

please don't lump in social justice with the charismatic movement. Real, impactful social reform is a key part of the Christian duty .

Enjoyed David W. Daniel's DVD, "Is there something missing from your bible?"

I know people who love this and I didn’t feel right about reading and now I see why

Melissa, I am listening to Why me centered teaching are dangerous. I have been part of BSF basically for friendship. I do see the New Age Change in the BSF now. I hate leaving but I need sound teaching. Maybe just me and Jesus Christ my Savior and the written word. This is a true revelation from our Lord Jesus Christ. Keep up the good work. I too use the ten commandments and keep them on my wall. Amen!

I must rethink my use of this “translation” thanks for pointing out the error.

I can't even finish this video. Not because you're not doing a great job, but because I feel sick hearing how this heretic is abusing God's word. Thank you both for your true passion to God and his truth.

also, interesting point about the mountains of influence. Whenever the word mountain is used, and it's not meant literally, it's referring to kingdoms, like empires. It's pretty consistent.

I looooove the Passion Translation! I wouldn't quote it like I do the NKJ or NIV but I have been blessed by reading it. I do re-read in other translations as well.

@simon-d-m

3 жыл бұрын

Did you actually listen to the conversation? Which parts were hard to understand? Ignoring hard evidence, carefully, thoughtfully, objectively and prayerfully presented, is just foolishness, and your refusal to separate light from darkness may lead others astray by your example. "The sheep know the voice of the shepherd..."

Great video! Thank you so much for shredding light on this “translation”. Would love to know your thoughts on The Message translation?

Thanks for doing this. I've tried to talk to a few friends about this, and they either look at me like I'm nuts or they say something like, "Well, I love it and if I get something out of it, I don't think it can be a problem." Sigh. Posting the video to Facebook. Maybe we'll get through to them eventually. Those thumbnails of you and Mike are amazing choices, by the way!!

I honestly believe Jesus is on the move among his people, because out of nowhere I noticed stuff from some of my friends that wasn't right. I couldn't put my finger on it, but I noticed it. It wasn't just from them, but from Bethel, I tried reading TPT, ect. Then, as I got in my Bible more, I finally found out why. Thank you SO much for all of these videos. I'm so thankfully I turned to KZread and found Melissa and Mike.

This actually goes much deeper. The NLT also adds a lot and was originally labeled a paraphrase. Having worked in the field of Bible Translation in Nigeria, my take is that all translations have a level of bias, not as much as the Passion but it is still there. You mention the interlinear, scholars with some level of bias chose the English word to go with the Hebrew or Greek when there is sometimes several options. Point being that even an interlinear can have bias.

I really like the CSB (Christian Standard Bible) translation and highly recommend it.

God says those who add to the Word or take away from it, are cursed with a curse. I just stick with King James Version. Its good enough for me!

I just bought my kids new bibles recently and both are NKJV while I use my MEV for study and NET for devotions. There are so many translations it's kind of overwhelming and then throws new believers off.

When I do a Bible study I always use KJV NLT and Amp with NKJV an I read verse by verse I have stopped using the good news Bible and I herd the American Standard Bible is the Jwitness I don’t use it, but I have done a lot of Research on Christianity cult’s and Religions an on Jesus Christ in Greek and Hebrew I’m thankful that I know my Bible an I’m a Born again Christian because of Christ

Thank you for all your work and insight! Our passion is the Truth, God's Word, Jesus' love, salvation because of Jesus taking our place! What an awesome Saviour! We don't need a new Bible, we need a new heart! Praise God for His faithfulness to us. (I'm concerned, too, that even NIV Bibles aren't the same anymore as they used to be. You can't read the same version together, because they're being changed! Don't even get a new NIV, stick with your old ones!!)