Having been a Protestant (Baptist, Lutheran, Reformed, Covenant, Evangelical) for 30-years, and Orthodox for 12-years, I am impressed with the critique of the Orthodox Study Bible. Well done. To be fair, it was their first-ever study bible, so we may see improvements in the future. It is important to understand that the goal in Orthodoxy is not to make everyone a theologian, but to help everyone achieve theosis (transformation and union with God). This is achieved through a myriad of actions including, but not limited to, repentance, confessional accountability, prayer, fasting, almsgiving, the Eucharist, the communion of the saints, anointing with oil, prostrations, worship in the Liturgy and by attending special services, especially during Holy Week. Orthodoxy is truly transformative for Christians who let it penetrate their lives.

@Servant_of_Yeshua96

Жыл бұрын

I just think we need to embrace the holy days that the original followers kept before things went crazy.

@user-lh3uk6by3i

11 ай бұрын

But how much is enough? This is why I am Lutheran Missouri Synod!

@reverenddick8562

10 ай бұрын

​@@user-lh3uk6by3i Sounds lazy.

@user-lh3uk6by3i

10 ай бұрын

@@reverenddick8562 Seems lazy and unprofitable how people do the myriad of things above yet don't spend time with God reading His Word or helping others.

@reverenddick8562

10 ай бұрын

@@user-lh3uk6by3i So why be Lutheran and do neither?

I’ve been a Protestant my whole Christian life and God put Orthodoxy in front of me recently. I just started reading this Bible yesterday and as someone who is considering converting to Orthodoxy, I gotta say I love reading it. A lot of the doctrines and concepts in Orthodoxy are ignored or merely glossed over at best in most Protestant churches in America, so having a Bible that’s easy to read and sort of “holds-your-hand” through church history and tradition is invaluable to me right now. I would definitely recommend it to anyone interested in Orthodox Christianity.

@MaxStArlyn

5 ай бұрын

1:58 “……The Hebrew Bible probably reached its current form about the 2nd century CE….” ... Britannica …”…Modern scholarship holds that the Septuagint was written from the 3rd through the 1st centuries BCE, but nearly all attempts at dating specific books (except for the Pentateuch, early- to mid-3rd century BCE) are tentative. Later Jewish revisions and recensions of the Greek against the Hebrew are well-attested…..”….ωικερεδια

@angusg3605

5 ай бұрын

Jesus loves u man. Praying for guidance and clarity for yourself and me as I am in a similar situation to you brother. Amen

@BrainBarfTV

5 ай бұрын

@@angusg3605You as well. May God bless you and guide you on your journey brother.

@jfiglioli

5 ай бұрын

I will be praying for you to end up where Christ is calling you. I do highly recommend you check out Michael Lofton's new book "Answering Orthodoxy". I think it will help you look in the direction of God's one true church on Earth. Glory to Jesus Christ!

@SeraphimGoose

5 ай бұрын

​@@jfiglioli Lmao Lofton 😂

Thank you for reviewing this study bible respectfully. In my country, 80% of population is Christian. Christianity was preached in the 1 century and the kingdom of Georgia became Christian in 4th century. Most of the Christian churches and monasteries here in Republic of Georgia are Orthodox. I love my church and I also love every Christian of the world ❤ Thank you once again for reviewing it respectfully. May God strengthen us all in faith and understanding of each other's views

@microcolonel

6 ай бұрын

This month we have an opportunity to venerate St. Nino, Equal to the Apostles

@shorenam6910

5 ай бұрын

მიყვარხართ ქართველებო❤️

@MaxStArlyn

5 ай бұрын

The Septuagint was created by and for Hebrew people, who spoke Greek. It also came BEFORE, the current version of the “Hebrew Bible “.

I am Russian Orthodox. I would say I liked the video, but I would say that the Orthodox Church does believe itself to be the only true church, and that may be the reason the writers did not put in the differing viewpoints since the view is that what the church teaches is the same as what scripture teaches

@leroybroun4106

6 ай бұрын

however, every christian denomination thinks it is the only "true church" as well and thinks it's theology is the only correct one. so what is a lay person like myself to do? only choice is to compare denominational teachings against the Bible. so any denomination that wants to be convincing should not only present and argue it's position but also present and refute others; otherwise it's just an echo chamber and most sincere Bible students will dismiss it as biased, like this one. the presenter is right, this is not a Study Bible but an Orthodox Reference Guide.

@knowbody6441

6 ай бұрын

​@leroybroun4106 I understand what you're saying & it makes sense if I'm asking, "What does this verse mean?" But the Orthodox Church isn't trying to teach you what that verse means, so in that zsense it is not a study Bible. The Orthodox Chruch is teaching the faith handed down from the Apostles. In that sense, it is a study Bible for learning the faith. Faith came first, then the Bible. Before the NT the Orthodox Church was teaching the faith & used various texts to do so. So what's a faith seeker supposed to do when faced with various interpretations? I'd ask what did the Apostles teach? The Orthodox Study Bible provides excerpts of what the early Church Father's understood from the Apostles themselves, not the novel interpretations that came much later.

@leroybroun4106

6 ай бұрын

@@knowbody6441 thanks. as for what the Apostles thought themselves, first they did not teach neither the Roman Catholic or Orthodox liturgy and priesthood, that's clear from their letters to the churches that are in the NT. and as for the early Church Fathers, who exactly are these for the RCC and Orthodox, because the earliest disagree quite a bit with both denominations, and later ones didn't really have a consensus. so again, that's why a true Bible Study is needed to discern if even the Orthodox have it right; cannot be assumed.

@knowbody6441

6 ай бұрын

@leroybroun4106 I'd disagree they didn't teach the RC or Orthodox liturgy. Again it goes to how you interpret the Bible. Both RC & Orthodox agree when St Paul speaks of "partaking of the altar" & "discerning the body & blood" he is speaking of their liturgy. This is what the Apostles taught & why the liturgies from all the ancient churches (RC, Orthodox, Coptic, Armenian, etc...) are similar. They all also see in their liturgies what St John describes in Revelation as the wedding feast of the lamb. Imagine you were a 1st century Christian participating in Divine Worship most of your life, then reading the wedding feast of the lamb. The practice came 1st, then the text. We know this because one of the criteria for which books would be included in the NT was that it had to be something read in the liturgy throughout the whole Church, universely, catholic.

@leroybroun4106

6 ай бұрын

@@knowbody6441 in the Bible communion is just a meal and the breaking of bread and wine is in "REMEBERANCE" of what Christ did for us. It is not a spiritual experience or some holy ritual. certainly the priesthood is NOT in the Bible, nore are all the RCC and EO ceremonies and rituals. i grew up in EO community and society. Every denomination arguably claims they follow the early church fathers. of course we are instructed to follow God's Word not the fathers or traditions of men, whomever they are. i read that there are 3k christian denominations. think of it as a new christian trying to learn Biblical truth. that means that, although each denomination claims to be the only true church, each has 99.96% likelihood of being wrong in some way(s). for someone like that a confirmation bias book is not convincing. to the contrary, it is suspicious. the truth is in the Bible not in religions/denominations. a true church would help us understand the Bible.

The Orthodox Study Bible is designed for the English Speaking Orthodox Faithful who are beginners in reading the Bible and it's designed to give a "spiritual fill" or in other words, it's design and purpose is to be SIMPLISTIC for its readers in both the text and the commentary with an emphasis on the Orthodox Faithful needing BOTH Scripture and Tradition and that is the "feel" that I got from reading this (translation of the) Bible. It is what the Scholars who translated the NRSV would refer to as "Canonical Reading" instead of a "Critical Reading" and it is PERFECT for beginners, especially those who have a hard time reading the Douay Rheims or King James Version. It's actually perfect for it's purpose. There is nothing in this Bible that would "overwhelm" the reader. It makes the Bible "absorbable" and you're supposed to prayerfully and humbly "receive" the Word of God as you would with the Eucharist. It's a really good Bible to have. Just like a child learns how to drink milk before he learns how to chew meat, this Bible is like milk. The whole purpose of this Bible is in it's name. It's for Orthodox Christians. So an Orthodox Christian won't have any "reservations" or "resistance" when reading this Bible, he is just to "absorb" it the same way a child learns his language WITHOUT QUESTIONING or having a critical approach. Wikipedia has interesting things to report about this Bible, such as if it's truly an Orthodox Bible or not, but that's another topic. There's also a translation called "the Eastern Orthodox Bible" and there's another 2 volume New Testament translation by the "Holy Apostles Convent" which is also full of footnotes in the back of each book where they cite Church Fathers commentaries and give you the Greek renderings, Grammar and other things. They mention Bruce Metzger's book and Manuscript tradition and they have a translation of the Psalms based on the Septuagint. You should do a review on that. Anyways, I agree with you that it's not a "Study Bible" for "Students of the Bible" in the sense of understanding what the text renders with commentaries explaining the linguistics and historical contexts etc. The moment you get "critical" or you endeavor into apologetics or anything else is the moment you get other translations of the Bible if you're not familiar with the Greek or Hebrew.

@prophetivansonofthor8167

Жыл бұрын

@RejoicingSon The all caps are EMPHATIC yes and it is WONDERFUL that you INFER that I was being irate based on you reading what I wrote. EMPHASIS is important. God ENGAGES where He chooses to engage and He dictates all outcomes and events as time is in His hands and Indeed Nothing is Coincidental or Accidental, but rather everything is Providential. Count the number of times I capitalized each word and how many times I wrote it in ALL caps and indeed you find a mystery there as well. Language or "Logos" is indeed the Revolution, and we choose which conventions we want to follow in Language and Grammar and we apply the same standards when reading scriptures as to WHO gives Authority to What when they choose to use ALL CAPS as in LORD to distinguish it from Lord but according to WHO??? The King James "Masoretes"? The "Know it Alls" who criminalized any insults to their glorious King James Version? You got to have the HOLY SPIRIT to PROTEST against "Protestantism" wherever you see it and critical approaches are GOOD in edifying what we have and we are all pledged to certain principles which we abide by when we do our WORK and EXAMINATION. I for one TRUST the Holy Spirit which guided the Church to PRODUCE the DOUAY RHEIMS Bible in RESPONSE to the KJV because God in His Providence would decree that the Douay Rheims was to be published BEFORE the King James Version as the years 1609-1611 were indeed Providential. We can count all the "errors" in the Manuscripts as well like a "scribal scrape" from off the text and a word mispelled here or there and other things and calculate what is and is not "the Word of God" and document all the variants and all those things these scholars are supposedly so learned in acquiring so conspiracies are rampant even in the Bible Translation Production Industry. We each have to determine what we trust and what we don't trust and which sources etc. are credible or not. Thank God for CHRIST'S CHURCH which the Gates of Hell shall not prevail.

@sebastianbyrum338

Жыл бұрын

Hey thanks for saying all this, I was looking for a more in-depth, "critical" as you said translation of the Bible. The EOB seems good for that, but it seems to only be for the New Testament. Is there an Old Testament translation for Orthodox Christians as well that uses the Septuagint and includes Masoretic variants of certain parts of the Bible? I know the EOB was supposed to do that for the Old Testament, but it wasn't completed. Thanks again!

@clouds-rb9xt

Жыл бұрын

@@sebastianbyrum338y, if you're still reading this, there's a couple options available.. There's the old Brenton Septuagint written in a more archaic english, but is generally a classic There's the Lexham English Septuagint, which is one of the most recent LXX translations, it's been well received, but it does have single column text Then there's the NETS, a translation of the Septuagint meant to be more critical, the text conforms to the NRSV in formatting, probably uses the best sources though, but the text is less interested in being theological and more interested in being for study, so keep that in mind. Names in the text are transliterated from Greek. Alternatively, you could still wait for the EOB Old Testament if it ever releases..

@andrejgrebenc3235

6 ай бұрын

One of the best Orthodox Bible in the Russian language is the Brussels Bible.

@adrianthomas1473

6 ай бұрын

Nice presentation - I have an Orthodox study Bible and had mine rebound in black leather. Also liked your comments on John Wesley who was deeply read in the Church Fathers

This was a well-balanced approach and sincere. Thank you. -An Orthodox brother in Christ.

@theharshtruthoutthere

4 ай бұрын

Sabbath is no longer for us to keep, otherwise we would ruin the 6th commandments, which says: DO NOT KILL! Matthew 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: it is the sabbath or the 6th commandment. Cant have both. Souls, know and understand the bible as we all should: 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. The 2 most important commandments for us to keep TODAY are: Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Matthew 22:39 “And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.” but you , the listeners of all these “religious lessons” all blind, devil gives out himself through the hand signs of masonry. You are still deceived by lucifer and his angelic look and having lack of knowledge about the truth. Time is passing away, the clock inside each of your chest are ticking. Drop religions, pick up BIBLE.

Fair review. I wanted to point out that the LXX is not later than the masoretic. The LXX is used because that is what was in circulation among helenized greek speaking jews at the time of Christ. It was translated into Greek by Jewish scribes well before Christ. The masoretic comes about 1000 years later, and there was no Jewish cannon of scripture before that. The LXX is important because that's what the Lord and the Apostles had and prophecy about the Lord are cited there.

@andrewternet8370

6 ай бұрын

This is a dumb view. Our earliest Masoretic manuscript is later than our earliest Septuagint manuscript. Probably because the Jews have Torah scrolls, not Tanakh scrolls. :/

@loyeyoung1068

6 ай бұрын

You @AAna_Stasiaa are correct that the Masoretic text came much later than the LXX and that the LXX was the standard text for first century Jews and Christians. It is not, strictly speaking, true that there was "no" Jewish canon before the Masoretic. Rather, the Jewish canon existed but was not finally closed until sometime later. The destruction of the Temple in AD 70 certainly hastened the closure of the canon, but there is no bright-line date for when the Jewish canon was closed. Also, even "closure" of the canon is a somewhat different idea in Judaism than in Christianity. Christians are more binary about Scripture than modern Judaism. For Christians, it's either in Scripture and authoritative, or not in Scripture and just somebody's opinions and thoughts (which may be very pious and learned, but not necessarily binding). Jews draw on a much greater corpus of texts and traditions, such as the midrash, the mishnah, and the Talmud, all of which are authoritative though not directly "inspired" by God.

@classicallpvault8251

6 ай бұрын

@@loyeyoung1068 Isn't everything done out of a sincere religious conviction in service of God, 'inspired' by God?

@loyeyoung1068

6 ай бұрын

@@classicallpvault8251 No, not everything done out of sincere religious conviction is "inspired by God." The English word "inspired" comes from the Latin meaning "breathed into." The apostle Paul used the phrase in 2 Timothy 3:16: "All scripture is *inspired by God* and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness . . . ." Some translators (e.g., New International Version) render the Greek into the more literally accurate but syntactically awkward phrase "God-breathed." Paul, in turn, was echoing the Hebrew Scriptures and long rabbinical tradition that Scripture, if it is authentic Scripture, was spoken by the breath (aka, the "Spirit") of God through the human writers. Thus, the Universal Church (both Catholic and Orthodox) has always understood that Holy Scripture has both divine and human authorship. "For Holy Mother Church, relying on the faith of the apostolic age, accepts as sacred and canonical the books of the Old and the New Testaments, whole and entire, with all their parts, on the grounds that, written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, they have God as their author, and have been handed on as such to the Church herself." [Dei Verbum 11] The human authors wrote what God intended to be written, which cannot be said about "everything done out of a sincere religious conviction."

@lucarich8711

5 ай бұрын

This sounds good, but the reason the masoretic texts are considered superior is because Hebrew is the original language. Why translate from a translation when we can translate directly? "but Septuagint is more reliable because it's older." Well, problem with that argument is the dead sea scrolls predate the Septuagint and match perfectly with the masoretic text, showing the Jews perfectly preserved the scriptures.

As a Christian in the process of converting to Orthodoxy, I thought this video was extremely fair and informative. Well done and thank you

@jars7774

6 ай бұрын

I’m trying to understand what it means to be a “Christian in the process of converting to Orthodoxy”.

@alekzander4285

6 ай бұрын

@@jars7774exactly what they said. You can convert from whatever other sect of Christianity to another. In this case they are wanting to convert to orthodoxy for whatever reason they see fit.

@jars7774

6 ай бұрын

@@alekzander4285 I know what they said, but that’s not how it works. What other sect within Christianity are we talking about?

@Fizxo

6 ай бұрын

⁠@@jars7774unlike the Protestant denominations, in Orthodoxy u can’t just walk in a church and choose be baptized on a certain date. U go through a catechumen faze where u live an Orthodox life, attending services without partaking in the sacraments/mysteries, learning about the Christian faith, learning to control desires and temptations, and preparing to be devoted to Christ (ofc under the guide of a spiritual father). It’s a timely process, which in early Christianity used to be 3 years in total (representing the 3 years the apostles spent learning under Jesus) but now a days it isn’t as long. So, it’s really a conversion to the ancient church and fullness of Christ.

@joehouston2833

6 ай бұрын

Protestantism is not Christianity

Hey JM! Thanks for doing this review. As a former Protestant, now Orthodox Christian, and someone who enjoys and benefits from your teaching, I was excited to see you review the Orthodox Study Bible! You asked us Orthodox to share our thoughts on your review--so here it goes. It seems to me that your review was very fair. And I think you are right, it is not a study Bible that gets into the text the way a Western study Bible might. That made me wonder why--why doesn't this Bible do that? Here are a few reasons why that might be (just my educated guesses, right off the top of my head): 1) As you know, the place of the Bible in the Orthodox Church is different than much of Western Christendom and vastly different than some forms of Protestantism. Though the study of Scripture is encouraged for all, individuals are not encouraged to interpret (i.e. figure out dogma from) the Scriptures on their own (but rather in the context of the Church). There is a great emphasis on interpreting Scripture in-line with how they have always been interpreted by the Church/Church Fathers. 'Innovation' is a four-letter word in the Orthodox world of Scripture interpretation and liturgical practice. So, that many of the notes tell you how a church Father interpreted the passage totally fits with the Orthodox 'phronema' around Holy Scripture. 2) The Orthodox approach to Scripture does not limit itself to figuring out what the original author intended. What the West would call allegorical or figurative interpretations (as long as they are in line with classical Christian teaching) are no less valid. We see, for example, great wonder and awe in God's love toward us that He foreshadows the events of Christ's baptism in Noah's flood and dove. It is typical for the Orthodox Church to interpret the Old Testament through Christ in such ways. 3) Ancient Faith Publishing has a history of being part of Protestants' journeying into the Orthodox Church. I suspect that the study notes focusing on what the Orthodox Church teaches are written with a strong sense of helping those Ortho-curious Christians from other traditions understand the Orthodox teaching--so, as you rightly point out, they don't go into text criticism or sharing how other Christians interpret the passage differently. Another reason may be that, the Orthodox Church has just never had to, or felt a need to, ask many of the questions the Western Christian world has needed to or wanted to ask. It would be very nice to have an Orthodox Study Bible that does engage with text criticism more. There are certainly many Orthodox Biblical scholars who could contribute to such a task. I will just note for whoever reads this comment: Protestants often view the Roman Catholic church and the Orthodox Church as two sides of the same coin. But there is a distinct Orthodox mindset that is hard to describe that sets it apart from the West. In that mindset, Orthodox see the Roman Catholic church and Protestantism as two sides of the same coin. I heard this but didn't understand it when I was a new Orthodox. But after many years it makes complete sense to me now. The Western Christian (Catholic and Protestant) approach, mindset, and theology differs in some crucial ways from the Eastern Orthodox approach. We often use the same terms and so think we understand each other, but we define many of those terms so differently that we miss a deeper understanding of each other. So, here's to continued dialogue, love, and understanding toward building each other up in Christ! I thought your review was informative, gracious, and very helpful. Thanks so much for doing it! I love your ministry. Please keep up the good work! Your brother, Erik

@DiscipleDojo

2 жыл бұрын

Great insights, brotha! I think you're probably right on in your assessment. There are a few reasons I would not be comfortable becoming a member of the OC, but I have been richly blessed by Orthodox theology to a MUCH greater degree than Catholic theology, I must say. I don't think any tradition is perfect or possesses the "fullness" that the intro to this Bible claims to be found only in the OC, but I do find a LOT of solid and wonderful truth in it and have nothing but love for y'all! 😊

@boehadden

2 жыл бұрын

@@DiscipleDojo Right back at ya! :)

@boehadden

2 жыл бұрын

@@DiscipleDojo Out of curiosity, what are the few reasons that you would not be comfortable joining the Orthodox Church?

@emmanuell.2186

2 жыл бұрын

@@boehadden Following this discussion 😊

@johnfrancis6413

2 жыл бұрын

@@boehadden I don't know man the Difference between Catholic and Orthodox faith is very small often at highest level of theology like filioqe clause , immaculate conception etc. On the other had Protestants don't even recognise Theotokos , don't have the deuterocanonical books . So I'm pretty sure you didn't look into Catholic theology . Even more is that Eastern Catholic Rites feel more like Orthodox than Latin Catholic.

The Revelation is a vision of the Orthodox Divine Liturgy on a cosmic scale. Rather than read it publicly, we enact it every Sunday. For a good commentary on the Revelation though, I strongly recommend "The End: A Study of the Book of Revelation" by Scott Hahn. It's a long audio lecture series you can find online for free.

@Miwac94

6 ай бұрын

🤯

@ExpondoaEscritura

5 ай бұрын

Where can I find it online?

@densaakaldte1

5 ай бұрын

@@ExpondoaEscrituraHi brother. The audio series is available on the Internet Archive website. I can’t share links in the comments but you’ll find it through Google. There is also a CD-box set you can buy from various websites. Fr. Peter Heers is doing a series on Revelation on his Orthodox Ethos KZread channel as well, if you’re interested in more resources. These are extremely long talks though.

As a ex muslim turned Christian I would highly recommend this and the prayer book as well

@NubianStone

2 ай бұрын

It warms my heart when I come across ex muslims who are now Christian. ❤

Some feedback from an Orthodox Christian :) Your assertion at 17:44 that the study notes 'reflect a later interpretation' is incorrect. The Masorectic text used by many English Bibles comes centuries after the Septuagint - we know this because the Septuagint is confirmed by the Dead Sea Scrolls AND Jesus & the Apostles. The Masorectic revision of the OT began in the 1st century, making many modifications in reaction to Christianity. I was a bit confused that you seemed to be disappointed that the Orthodox Study Bible doesn't explain heterodox views. It is the Orthodox Study Bible, after all... We Orthodox do not ignore Revelation - it's simply not part of the liturgical calendar. I have 8 pages of maps in mine. Perhaps you have an older version? We Orthodox believe the Church is the authority when it comes to interpreting Scripture, as it is the Church who gave us the canon. Remember, there was no Bible for centuries after Christ. In addition to the traditions passed on via the Apostles, we have no ambiguity when it comes to interpretation of Scripture. We have the commentaries of the Church Fathers to assist us in this as well. While St. Augustine is recognised as a saint by the Orthodox, we do not agree with his interpretation of Scripture, and this is one of the fundamental points at which the East & West diverge. Augustine's ignorance of Greek along with his erroneous philosophical foundation led him to (in our view) misinterpret Scripture and make the mistake of original sin. St. John Chrysostom, a contemporary or Augustine's, wrote extensively on this during his rebuttals against Pelagius. As a final note, I think many Christians in the West feel they are forced to choose between Roman Catholicism (which scismed away from Orthodoxy) & and one of the many thousands of Protestant churches (which schismed away from Roman Catholicism) if they are to be part of a faithful, Christian community. The Church established by Christ through the Apostles STILL exists - and it is the Orthodox Church. We're here, waiting for you all! Thanks for your review. God bless.

@cc-pk1pc

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you 🙏🏻 for this kind message. I am planning to visit an Orthodox Church soon.

@CandanceOnline

2 жыл бұрын

Wrong The Orthodox Church are like Protestants they are fall aways from the Catholic Church lol that means that they aren’t created by God , only the Catholic Church is.

Just purchased this Bible and was happy with your review. Thank you, this Bible is exactly what I am looking for. I want to know what the church affirms and what the early church fathers thought. So helpful for those that want to do more digging into the orthodox faith but don't know what to do first and also has a lot of information on feast days and prayers so you don't have to purchase extra books to read until ready for that step.

So glad to see you review this! As a protestant myself, I have considered getting a copy of the OSB just for the Septuagint.

Dude this was a great breakdown! Glad I was recommended this.

@DiscipleDojo

2 жыл бұрын

Me too! :-)

Wow I watched all 38mins of that, as an Orthodox Christian myself I found your review very informative. Thank you and may the Lord bless you

@DiscipleDojo

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. That means a lot. Blessings to you as well from this Protestant brother. 🙏

@Sapientiaa

6 ай бұрын

@@DiscipleDojoWhat do you think of Michael from IP? Any major disagreements?

@MaxStArlyn

5 ай бұрын

@@DiscipleDojo The Septuagint was created by and for Hebrew people, who spoke Greek. It also came BEFORE, the current version of the “Hebrew Bible “.

I have many resources as a former Catholic to study the bible, but now I am joining the Orthodox church and can't wait until this bible arrives next week. I appreciate the video

@KillerofGods

10 ай бұрын

What drove you away from catholicism? I currently attend both and really like both. At least coming from a protestant perspective.

@3547cdr5

10 ай бұрын

@@KillerofGods im chosing between Catholicism and orthodoxy and im leaning towards orthodoxy because it makes more sense for me with the orthodox holy trinity and how the holy spirit processed through the father, and also i didnt really want to go to Catholicism due to the pope and their beliefs on the trinity and other heretical beliefs in Catholicism. Also orthodoxy has kept the tradition of the apostles which i feel like is very important.

@OrthodoxStudy-wd5nk

10 ай бұрын

@@3547cdr5 you are definitely on the right path, I was too a Roman Catholic but I left and on the road to Orthodoxy.

@TruLuan

9 ай бұрын

@@3547cdr5 The Orthodox aren't united like the Catholics (hence the word Catholic meaning "universal"). There are Eastern, Coptic, and Ethiopian Orthodox, all with different beliefs, even though Christ said Christians needed to be like minded (1 Corinthians 1:10). The Orthodox also use the inaccurate King James NT translation.

@aleksandarstavric2226

9 ай бұрын

what are you talking about ...Orthodox church mocks unortodox translations of the scripture such as pathetic King James heretical translation .... Orthodox Church gave us a Bible @@TruLuan

Wow, amazing review. This is the first video of yours I’ve seen and I’m very impressed! Very unbiased, honest, and fair. I’m excited to watch many of your other videos. Thank you!

Many thanks my friend for taking the time to bring this review before us. I just stumbled on the video by chance, but I've got to say I found it most interesting.

I was Lutheran (LCMS) before becoming Orthodox in an OCA parish. I bought an OSB during my catechesis. I think that your review is entirely fair and sensible. I'm not crazy about how thin the pages are, it's like they're almost fragile. But, that's a minor preference, certainly not indicative of the overall product. I know the OSB has its detractors and I have my thoughts, but I think it's a good effort and certainly helpful for those looking to understand the Scriptures from an Orthodox point of view, regardless of whether they're in the Church.

@OneForChrist177

5 ай бұрын

What made you leave the LCMS if you don’t mind me asking?

@joshua_wherley

5 ай бұрын

@@OneForChrist177 I don't mind at all! Long story short, I didn't necessarily decide to leave the LMCS, per se. I basically began to rethink my approach to the Christian faith, Scripture, church history, etc. I became convinced that while the Reformers had good reason to protest the actions of the medieval Roman Catholic Church, the former's theology was still lacking overall. From there I began to consider Catholicism, but discovered Orthodoxy along the way. I realized that I could no longer remain Protestant of any kind in good faith, so I decided to investigate both Catholicism and Orthodoxy to see which one I'd join. Catholicism makes a compelling case in some aspects, but broadly speaking I became convinced that the fullness of the Christian faith has been preserved in the Orthodox Catholic Church (or the Eastern Orthodox Church, as it is more commonly called).

@OneForChrist177

5 ай бұрын

@@joshua_wherley Fair enough. Thanks for your explanation. I’m entering into the LCMS so I was curious. Where we live there are zero orthodox churches to investigate.

@joshua_wherley

5 ай бұрын

@@OneForChrist177 yes, among the Orthodox Church's strong suits, the availability of parish churches in the USA is not one of them. Which is, of course, unfortunate to say the least. Honestly, and take this as my own opinion, I think that given your circumstances you're making a good decision. Having spent time in the LCMS and evaluating it after I left, I can't say I or anyone there had a bad experience. The people were kind and faithful, and while I don't agree with every point of the synod's theology, I felt comfortable going back to my old home church for their German carol services during Advent. Do you mind if I ask in what city you reside? I'm curious to see where the nearest Orthodox Church is to you.

@OneForChrist177

5 ай бұрын

@@joshua_wherley I’m not comfortable saying what city exactly but I will say I live in the northern part of the lower peninsula of Michigan. The nearest Eastern Orthodox church is easily 2 hours away.

Very good thoughts and review. Thank you for this video!

An excellent take on this study Bible. As I have taken a dep dive into the Orthodox church to better understand the rich history and why they worship as they do. I'm fascinated and at the same time I think "wait, how do they miss that?" I purchased one a while ago and I'm with you as far a good shelf resource. Going to an Orthodox service feels like stepping back in time with a Jewish Temple feel.

thank you for your input and effort!!

Thank you for this review, I was very close to buying one but I had reservations about it, and this video and review helped with it. Thanks DiscipleDojo!

Great review! Same Camp as you but it's good to know these things! I appreciate your channel. God Bless you Brother!

@DiscipleDojo

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Hiya! Protestant here, it's really refreshing that I have brothers out here that also review the other Churches' works so positively. Loving our brother denominations is an important thing that is much too lost in our era. We all affirm The Trinity and Christ's Death and Resurrection, we should focus on the fundamentals together. I saw the flak you were getting on facebook too, all I will say is keep being the bigger man, brother, and don't hold it against them. Church unity is easier to achieve with patience and love for our siblings. God bless you.

Interesting review - Bringing to light things I have never considered. Nice to know and thank you for your reviews - very informative. GmaJo

The Septuagint is older than the Masoretic (Hebrew) text. That’s not to say they weren’t originally written in Hebrew, but the oldest copies (excepting the DSS) are in Greek.

@bedeodempsey5007

5 ай бұрын

Additionally, the "vorlage" or sources of the Septuagint are as old or older than the vorlage of the current Hebrew text, as proven by some of the DSS, which match the LXX rather than the Masoretic base text. Jesus, Himself, and the Apostles quote the LXX 90%+ of the time rather than the corrupted Masoretic text (John 8:42).

very fair review from a non Orthodox. I am Orthodox and sent this to a non Orthodox friend who has asked me many questions about this bible.Thanks!

I grew up Methodist and since that split, Ive been visiting a Greek Orthodox church. I like it. It takes a diciplined approach and employes a methodology to faith. I havn't really found anything I disagree with or if Im really looking to. I would think many of the topics in this study bible would be a lead-in to have deeper discussion with the Priest because of the sensetive nature of the topic. Lord knows how some of us have interpreted things we though we had a solid grasp on.

Great review and commentary. Earned a follow!

Thanks so much. Really helpful review of this particular resource, as well as a concisely articulate fly-by of prominent features in Orthodox belief, as articulated in this study Bible.

☦📲 Amen. Reading the Orthodox Bible each day is so empowering. It makes me a whole new person, and it sets the start of my week just right ❤.

nice review! thank you.

It is interesting to hear the views of a Protestant when confronted with Orthodox belief. Because of the many, many innovations to understanding of the faith and the Bible performed by both Catholics and Protestants of many kinds over the centuries, this is to be expected. The only Christian Church which has never formally split on the basis of theological understanding or belief is the Orthodox Church, for over 2000 years. So the Orthodox study Bible reflects that. This is because the Orthodox do not believe any individual or group of individuals in the Church is infallible. Rather it is the collective Church, guided by the Holy Spirit in a conciliar way which is infallible over time. And this "timeline" stretches right back to the very beginnings of the faith, reflected in the Scriptures they themselves assembled and used. The Orthodox Study Bible enforces the traditional faith and beliefs, it is not a tool to use to make up your own mind. The Orthodox have a problem with that for obvious reasons.

@Eli1993.

Жыл бұрын

Yeah ? How about this : Apostle Paul was a self proclaimed Apostle, the only basis being that he said he saw Jesus in a vision and he made him an apostle (which was a lie) He was outside of the chosen Twelve ,a pharisee and never was a follower of Christ, a Wolf in sheeps clothing who disguised himself as a follower of Christ ,misleading people back to the old covenant (why? Cause he didnt believe in the new covenant our lord and savior Jesus Christ) and led people to phariseeism and made up man made beliefs ,doctrines and rules (which Christ warned us about) and created a hierarchy system and accepted and established the tradition to call priests and elders "father" despite Christ telling us not to do so..he contradicted in many ways the teachings of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ. Google paul and Jesus contradictions..the orthodox listen to Paul over Jesus Christ (I am baptized and chrismated orthodox ,was obsessed with the Church for years and have read all the main saints ,have read the canons i know all about it) none of the real apostles liked Paul nor approved him as an Apostle. Do your research. And just look at the clothing the orthodox monks wear and the ones who are up in the hierarchy... they dress and look like pharisees and act like them in many ways.even the apostles didnt dress like that, they dressed casually as was casual in those days like Jesus. Apostle Paul is not the one who united the jews and the Gentiles , it was Jesus. Stop giving Apostle Paul credit for that. And Jesus gave Mary Magdalena authority to preach and minister ..why arent women allowed to be priests? Why is there sexism ? Why women are required to wear a head garment in Church when Adam took a bite of the apple too. Why didnt the evangelists speak about the importance of the sacraments in the Gospels? Why have the extreme mistranslations of the Bible and man made pagan beliefs about eternal torment in hell been accepted ? I am a follower of Christ and Christ alone, one with the Father and the Holy Spirit and I do not trust apostle Paul AT ALL.i pray to the Holy Spirit daily to guide me and show me the truth and i confess directly to the Lord my sins. And go to confession sometimes in the eastern orthodox church just in case that is not enough .Why is the orthodox church so dark? Encouraging people through the practices of saints to starve themselves and sleep on the floor and sleep deprivation? Why do they make people feel guilty for enjoying gods gifts of food? Even when they give money and food and clothing to the poor as well? Why does the church make you feel guilty for masturbation ? When u dont hurt anyone by doing these things and God was only mad at Onan for spilling his seed because he wanted him to reproduce .this bible verse about Onan that Christians believe is forbidding masturbation is not forbidding masturbation but only saying how Onans disobedience was wrong. The spilling the seed part was disobedience because he wanted him to reproduce. If it was a sin to masturbate for everyone, God would clearly state so. He was clear about adultery but not sex before marriage where neither participants are married, nor masturbation. Why do the orthodox pray in repetition, vain repetitions , praying the Jesus Prayer while they are eating or talking to other people? How can u focus and pray sincerely like that without it being in vain? Jesus told us clearly not to use vain repetitions or think we are more heard if we use gestures and long prayers like the orthodox do (hundreds of prostrations and constsntly crossing themselves and bowing in Church). Why would God require us to starve and be sleep deprived and make many prostrations? Why do orthodox believe that animals, our loved pets etc dont go to heaven? Who wants to be in heaven without their beloved animals?

@tcavalo

Жыл бұрын

@@Eli1993. You're glowing, Sabbatean. Yea, hath God said? lol

@Eli1993.

Жыл бұрын

@@tcavalo i see the drugs are making you happy, but its not helping you make any sense. Now go scratch that itch in your hole and refrain from engaging in conversation when adults are speaking.

@swecalf

Жыл бұрын

@@Eli1993. I don't know if you're serious or just joking

@swecalf

Жыл бұрын

"...never formally split on the basis of theological understanding or belief..." So, nothing happened after the council of Chalcedon in 451? But as a protestant, I think we have much more in common than what separates us. However, the issues that separate us are quite important.

As a budding Orthodox, I really enjoyed the review. My copy of the book arrived just now on the doorstep from Amazon, and I now have a much better idea of what to expect and how to approach the material. Awesome job!

Great review. I have been thinking about purchasing this Bible. It looks interesting. I have been studying my Bible daily for the past couple of months. What a change I have feel in my being. Now I'm studying different Bibles. I have Ray Comfort's Evidence Bible NKJV which is very cool. I also bought two NASB Bibles. One is a Thompson Chain Reference and one is a slim line. The Thompson Chain Reference Bible is fun to study and go down rabbit holes.

Another great review--of which I've become accustomed from Disciple Dojo! I always appreciate your reviews too. Like you I'm a Wesleyan Methodist though I no longer attend a local Methodist church (given I'm on the West coast in the Cal-Pac Conference of the Methodist Church). My former Methodist Church was more evangelical and leaned charismatic in comparison to the predominant leanings of the Cal-Pac Conference (i.e. liberal) following in Methodism. I'm still curious to know your view (review) on the TCR (Thompson Chain Reference) Study Bible--someday.

@DiscipleDojo

2 жыл бұрын

If someone ever sends me a Thompson I'll be happy to do so. I've never used it before so I'd be interested as well. Geez...I can't imagine how much of a theologically barren wasteland it is being part of that conference and Jurisdiction! I empathize with you to going to a United Methodist church in that part of the country, for sure!

Really enjoyed this review, thank you for your time and thought that went into it! One item I would add that wasn’t covered pertains to the translation method they used, which was unique. St. Athanasius Academy took the New King James Version of the Old Testament and then only changed areas where it differed from the LXX text they used. While this was definitely the efficient approach to make an English version with Septuagint verses quickly, what it means is that the underlying text came from the Hebrew sources and not the Greek Old Testament used in Eastern Orthodoxy. On the surface level, this may not matter much, but text wise it can make a difference in syntax. In the book introductions of the New English Translation of the Septuagint (NETS), there are various examples showing how the Greek of the LXX not only may exhibit different wording, but occasional stylistic changes that can shift some meaning. In addition, the Rahlf’s Septuagint is a scholarly work that puts together a version of the LXX across the main codices, not an actual version from the Eastern churches. In addition, the Textus Receptus is used as the base for their NT reading (NKJV) rather than a more official Orthodox source, such as the Patriarchal Text of 1904, which can differ from the TR in certain places. This is a limitation pointed out by the major textual variant notes added in the margins from the “majority text.” What does this mean? The OSB provides an efficient English translation of the Bible made from a composite of Greek, Hebrew, and scholarly sources, at the expense of traditional orthodox Greek texts. While it does provide alternate OT readings for English speaking Orthodox, it unfortunately still misses the mark of providing a full actual Orthodox Greek text into English. Such an undertaking would be long and massive, but hopefully one day there will be an approved full Orthodox translation into English.

@DiscipleDojo

2 жыл бұрын

That is REALLY helpful. Thank you.

Thanks for posting. This was a great review. I am thinking about investing in the book.

Excellent review and fascinating discussion of some of the differences between the Eastern (Orthodox) and Western (Roman Catholic and Protestant) traditions. Thanks.

The Church is older than a Bible

I'm Orthodox and I loved your review. Thank you

Orthodox Christian here. Thank you for your review. I really enjoyed it. I appreciate your thoughts and agreed with a lot of what you had to say. We get a lot of spiritual food also from the lives of the saints, like reading about them etc., Venerating their relics. I listen to a lot of content through Ancient Faith radio app and Orthodox Ethos on youtube. Orthodox Ethos has an extensive line by line Orthodox study on "Revelation". It's been going on for over a year and a half I think. There are writings and studies done on everything by the holy fathers probably, idk. I am admittedly very new in my studies. May God bless you abundantly.

@DiscipleDojo

Жыл бұрын

That's awesome. Thank you for letting me know about that study of Revelation. Very cool!

@lauriekenworthy1247

Жыл бұрын

@@DiscipleDojo I'm very happy to hear from you. Thank you. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the theology. Hang in there, it's a little different because there's a whole bunch of stuff that comes from our beliefs that the Holy Spirit imparted not only the Holy Scriptures but the Church life to us, ie. Confession, communion baptism, fasting, a way of life in the Church and her traditions which have been upheld. Let me know. Glory be to God, Christ is risen. May all the peoples of the earth come to know God through the Holy Spirit! Be well, thank you again. May God bless you and your entire family abundantly.

Great stuff, keep it up

Just as a side note, the Old Testament Hebrew language text is based on the Masoratic text translated between the 7th - 10th century after Christ and is a bit biased for that reason. Isaiah's prophecy of a virgin birth is an example. The Masoratic text translates that passage as born of a "young woman." The Septuagint was translated to Koine Greek during the 2nd and 3rd centuries BCE, before Christ. Koine Greek just happened to be the common language of the Hebrew diaspora at the time of the Roman Empire. It is called the Septuagint meaning 70 because it was translated by 70 Hebrew scholars and priests at that time. One tradition includes Simeon as one of the 70. He is the one who blessed Baby Jesus on his 40th day of life in Luke 2.

@DiscipleDojo

Жыл бұрын

The Masoretic text isn't a translation.

@PDiddyMo

6 ай бұрын

Let's substitute "...copied, edited, and distributed..." for "translated" and re-read the comment. And, make special note--which you didn't in your review--that the Septuagint is the version often quoted in the New Testament. OrthodoxWiki has an excellent (and lengthy) article on the Masoretic Text.

@user-gv9my3jy4b

6 ай бұрын

Also OP's note about Isaiah and the 'young women' which was actually 'young maiden,' is incorrect. Like many Hebrew words, given Hebrew is very limited in words compared to English, for example, most words have multiple uses.. it became an argument by rabbinic jews against messianic prophesy to say this passage intended to say 'young maiden' and not its other meaning 'virgin', in an attempt to refute this prophesy of the virgin birth. Rabbi Kirt Schneider covers this somewhat extensively. Pointing out to how ridiculous it would be for Isaiah to have prophesied a 'sign' as being a 'young maiden' giving birth, isn't basically every birth by a young maiden?? Not much of a sign. Not to criticize OP, but sometimes balanced research is key.

Awesome review, well done 👏

I was raised Orthodox, went to Protestant church 40 years, but never gave up Orthodoxy 🙏🥰🥰❤️❤️❤️love Orthodoxy , Beautiful service, quiets me. It heals your soul🙏🙏🥰🥰obedience is important, what’s beautiful is every church in the world teaching praying in unity about the same thing You can trace the Priests all the way to the apostles, the early church. It’s like having a picture of a loved one the icons. It is Gods Mercy we believe have faith because Gods live and mercy. Yes we are to be obedient

@DiscipleDojo

11 ай бұрын

I can respect that outlook for sure. There is much beauty in Orthodoxy.

@stylist62

11 ай бұрын

Yes I love it, I feel the Holy Spirit so strong there.

The Orthodox New Testament (volumes 1 and 2) is probably the most precise English translation of the original Greek. Nearly every verse also has extensive explanatory and interpretive notes that are quotes of early church fathers. The Brenton version of the Septuagint is excellent for having parallel Greek and English text, for those with Greek reading ability (no notes though - as the Greek language itself explains the meaning of the English).

@bolshoefeodor6536

6 ай бұрын

Yes!

@bedeodempsey5007

5 ай бұрын

Amen

@DiscipleDojo. Very charitable review coming from a Protestant. I say this as an Orthodox Christian. As for your criticism on the study notes, I would say they were maybe deliberately made short, as if you were to expound fully on everything you would need another thousand pages. Best thing is to get an old commentary of the Bible. For example Blessed Theophylact, born around 1050 has some great commentaries on the gospels.

There are no other viewpoints. Orthodoxy holds the way.

@DiscipleDojo

6 ай бұрын

That's silly.

@jesuschristsaves9067

6 ай бұрын

@@DiscipleDojo It’s not. In essence what he’s saying is that the other ways are false.

@Benjamin-bq7tc

2 ай бұрын

@@DiscipleDojo You really really need to think before saying something like that.

Just curious if you’ve listened to the Lord Of Spirits podcast with Fr. Damick and Fr. De Young?

FYI the OT references in the NT are majority case Septuagint.

Good review and what the OSB does. FOR ME, that is why I got it. I wanted a Bible that had the Septuagint in it to match up the OT prophecies that are found and quoted in the NT. Many times, the NT quotes don't seem even close in most English translations, but they match exactly using the Septuagint. Also, I wanted to know what the Church originally taught and believed about the scriptures. I wished that they would have had more notes on that. But, I agree, IF you are looking for an exegetical study Bible focusing on the original languages then this probably isn't the version/translation for you.

Great review and a great video, wow being a Protestant some of that stuff just blows my mind.

Very impressed with your review.

@DiscipleDojo

6 ай бұрын

Thank you. I tried to be fair and honest.

10:00 A bit of a misleading article there because Saint Sophronius of Jerusalem disavowed Origen in his tendancies to allegorize the events of Genesis. The Synodikon of Orthodoxy formally condemns ideas that Darwinian evolution implies. Without the real historical grounding of Genesis, then the salvific work of Christ would consequently be just as meaningless. There's a reason the genealogies are stressed throughout Scripture including in the very beginning of the Saint Matthew's Gospel account. There is no waste in the Sacred writings, least of all something so recurrent

As a protestant converting to the Orthodox way, this bible has been an invaluable beginner resource. One thing I must point out is upon placing my hand on the plough I've had to lay/ am laying/have laid my mini-popism to rest. As a protestant, the amount of research material available has led me to believe that led by the Holy Spirit, I can cherry pick my way to truth, my way to Christ. There is one God, one Father, one Word, one Breath (Holy Spirit); one Son, Christ the head, His church His body; one Spirit given to one body. I cannot hope as an 'I' amidst the 'we' of the One, True God whose Incarnate, infallible Word Breathes His life into His body, for His glory, no hope on my own. So I must sacrifice what I believe to be right for the safety of the faith God has given me to put total trust in His salvation, so I can live according to His purpose for me. I asked the Lord to show me the hard way, the small gate (Matt7v13) and the whereabouts of the church that He established (Matt16v18) upon the rock (confession of faith) not Papal supremacy but the supremacy of 'God's Word', Christ Jesus Himself. It's also worth noting that without church tradition we would not have a bible. As for all the Orthodox 'stuff' it has one purposed to assist in repentance because repentance is a lifelong commitment, a daily striving toward holiness without which we shall not see God (Heb12v14) At the end of the day, I thought I knew a lot about Jesus but does He 'know' me? (Matt7v21-23) It's not worth the risk, 2000year faith vs 500year faith? It's a simple decision for this speck of dust.

@lauriekenworthy1247

Жыл бұрын

Orthodox Christian here. May God bless you abundantly. Well put

@Oilofmercy

7 ай бұрын

Mathew if u see this would you help me . I'm protestant, evangelical. Very interested in converting. U may not see this

@ethanrichard4950

6 ай бұрын

​@misshappynun I personally wouldn't. Orthodox preach this super transformative, spiritual, better, closer Christianity. When really, many of their ways are quite easily proven to be unbiblical, hence not being worthy of considered, as they are man made. Am I saying Orthodox aren't saved? I'm no saying that, but this want to be closer to God doesn't come from reading apocryphal books, alternate view of communion, and so on.

@knowbody6441

6 ай бұрын

​@@ethanrichard4950 & this is the problem with putting the Bible before faith. It becomes an idol & the phrase "not biblical" gives power to our interpretations. We build our own faith on these "interpretations" foreign to what the Apostles taught. I'm reminded of the scene in the garden when the serpent interpreted God's words for the people he spoke to directly, "Did God say you shall not eat from any tree in the garden?"

@ethanrichard4950

6 ай бұрын

@knowbody6441 The Bible is God's word and the ultimate authority. When something isn't "biblical," it's not doctrine from God. Thus, it is not necessary in salvation, sanctification, etc. Where does our faith come from? Everything comes before faith because faith has to be built on something. Orthodox has interpretations, don't you? How are they any different? Whoever has the right interpretations, simply has what is true. What did the apostles teach? Whatever your answers are, Can I hand wave that a way as interpretations? No, because interpretations doesn't equal falsehood. There is only one interpretation that is correct. He didn't interpret that wrong, he straight up lied.

Thanks for the fairness in your presentation on Holy Orthodoxy.

Very good analysis.

This review is replete with Christian Love that would want to see the best in our brothers. You know how good the OSB is, but still you wanted it to be even better in some points--to the advantage of Orthodox readers as well as to the advantage of non-Orthodox readers alike. Again, your presentation primarily consists of love, to such an extent that at several junctures I thought you were really Orthodox (I mean you really enjoyed what you were saying about Orthodoxy). Thank you for the good effort you put into this beautiful presentation. I am not here to try to convince you to adopt the Orthodox faith (which would be unfathomably enriched by you). Seeing you surrounded by a pantheon of statuettes representing fictional unrealities, I only wanted to see an icon of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ appreciated and venerated by you . An icon is a representation of the One who showed us the visible image of the invisible God. An icon is a Bible written with colors rather than words. An icon is a reminder of how thankful we have to be for God's "economia" that He did for us. You certainly loved those icons inside the OSB, and this is a feeliing you did not hide. I am not here to psychoanalyze nor to proselytize you. No. You are a true and wonderful Christian, and this video shows your true color of love. God bless you.

@DiscipleDojo

Жыл бұрын

I have learned a lot from various Orthodox voices throughout history and align with the Orthodox Church on a number of things more than I do most Protestant or Catholic views.

I bought this several years ago when I was trying to read through the LXX in Greek. I thought it might be helpful to have an English translation based on the LXX. It was not as helpful in that endeavor as I had hoped, but I did have a blast reading through the Apocryphal books, which I had never done before. My favorite thing (and the reason I still have this on my bookshelf) is that a very dear friend of mine was one of the lay contributors to the NT notes...and they spelled his name wrong in the acknowledgements! 🤣

@DiscipleDojo

10 ай бұрын

Haha, ouch! That's such a bummer for him! 😅

Thanks for the review. Question was the video’s cover pic intended to look like a orthodox icon? If so very clever. Blessings

@DiscipleDojo

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely :-)

Question on your mention of a later Septuagint version of the Cain and Abel verse on 17:45. Isn’t the Septuagint much older than the Masoretic text used in our modern English translation? And doesn’t the Septuagint follow the DSS more than the later Masoretic text?

@DiscipleDojo

10 ай бұрын

No, in general the DSS do not follow the LXX more than the MT (though on occasion the LXX and DSS reflect what is likely the original Hebrew reading of a text, such as Goliath's height, etc).

I Enjoyed your video.

Hey, I don’t want to start a can of worms, but the Septuagint was made about 230 B.C and the New Testament was also written in Koine Greek, these men and woman had nothing but the Greek until Jerome in 407 A.D. when he completed the Latin translation of the LXX. The Hebrew text were made in the 9th and 10th centuries. So when you say that “the LXX doesn’t go with the early text” there is no text earlier 😅 than the Septuagint. And Also your version of the OSB is the breif version, my copy has the un-abridged with thicker pages and maps, diagrams and so on. Also the chapter notes have been expanded. PS Councilor Press don’t exist, it is now call Anicent Faith Publications. Thank you for you honesty. Some Protestants just don’t get it, but you do. Have a nice day

Great video ! Subscribed

Thank you for this detailed overview of the orthodox bible.

This popped up in my feed…so I thought id check it out..as soon as I saw superheroes on the shelves…and you reviewing bibles…I realized wasn’t alone in this universe..I had to subscribe.

@DiscipleDojo

2 жыл бұрын

Welcome long lost nerd brother! 😅

@christopherjones6758

2 жыл бұрын

So glad to be a member of the dojo! My wife is going to flip that there are others out there like me…she thought she married a unicorn!

@DiscipleDojo

2 жыл бұрын

You found a wife who's into that??? As a lifelong bachelor, I'm envious!

@christopherjones6758

2 жыл бұрын

Oh she loves the Lord, but she’s not into My nerd sensibilities…it’s one of those things that she tolerates and can’t understand how I love not only the scriptures and theology, but all sorts of different Bibles… Much to her chagrin As our shelves continue to fill with different versions…as well as loving comics, anything DC or Marvel or any franchise with”Star” in it… I think it’s one of those things where when we first dated she thought oh that’s cute… And then she realize what a nerd she married! Throw in my fondness for almost any martial art (boxing, mma, kickboxing,bjj) and Chuck Norris movies (no matter how cheesy) I’m just thankful she puts up with me🤣

@DiscipleDojo

2 жыл бұрын

Well, no one's perfect I guess...but she sounds like a keeper! haha

Thank you for this! As someone who was recently returned to god, I've been collecting literature and resources to help me understand his word and his will. I've only just heard about the Septuagint and its significance. Are there any non apocrypha translations? Some of the nuances of the language lost in the Hebrew but gained in greek translations seem important! On faith and works, I feel works follow true Faith. How can one truly be faithful to the lord and not be compelled to acts in his glory?

@thelimatheou

Жыл бұрын

Why would you want a bible that has had books removed only in the past 200 years by innovators? The Apocrypha was included in all translations done by early Reformers and the 1611 KJV that some seem to obsess over. It's removal was the result of campaigns by English speaking activist bible societies (particularly Scottish) in the 19th century...

@RichardHMaher

Жыл бұрын

There are Protestant translations that exclude what some call the "apocrypha," but please keep in mind that they exist because the translators of these editions have deliberately removed them. Those books, which are more accurately called "Anagignoskomena" ("worthy to be read") or sometimes "Deuterocanonical" ("second canon") were traditionally never separated from the rest of the text. The reason they're sometimes excluded from Protestant publications is that they weren't included in the Hebrew Masoretic text, which was compiled many centuries after Christ and partly as a reaction against Christianity. In terms of versions, the Brenton Septuagint seems to be most often recommended.

@thelimatheou

Жыл бұрын

@@RichardHMaher The Hebrew Masoretic text is arguably a purposeful corruption by Rabbinic Jews to distort the multipersonal nature of God, and the true nature of the Messiah. The Orthodox Church has always used the Septuagint - partly due to this reason, but partly due to it being the version quoted by the Apostles & read by Christ himself in the synagogues. Bibles that don't include the Apocrypha are incomplete, and are an innovation.

I clicked on the video because I thought it was "Chris from Speakers Corner".

I don't see James saying we are justified by works; rather, he is saying that faith produces works. He is arguing against those who say they have faith, but don't have works that demonstrate that faith proves their faith is dead. So it is justification by faith alone and not of works so no one can boast, but that faith is alive and demonstrated through works.

After watching this. I want to join orthodox even more.

A lot of the commentary here lines up well with the Orthodox view in general. We do hold to the authority of the Church and often times it is the Orthodox way to NOT focus on what we think about something but instead leaning on the Church's view.

@ThembaMaselane

5 ай бұрын

I depends on scripture sorry and get them wrong than depend on some human traditions sanctified as church councils.

Great breakdown

What other study bible would you recommend that complement Orhodox Study Bible for an orthodox? (Not a convert, who is born to an orthodox christian family). Thanks?

@DiscipleDojo

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I am not Orthodox, so I can only give my suggestion as a protestant. I would say maybe the NET Bible Full Notes Edition if you want technical/translation notes, the Life Application Study Bible if you want general background and daily living notes, or Zondervan's Archaeological Study Bible if you want historical/context notes.

@ElonMuskrat-my8jy

6 ай бұрын

Holy Apostles Convent published a 2 volume New Testament with hundreds of icons and commentaries. There's also The Bible and the Holy Fathers from SVS Press and Grace For Grace: The Psalter and the Holy Fathers from Monastery Press.

The orthodox do have translations of the new testament like the translation from Holy Apostles Convent called orthodox new testament. EOB project has produced an NT, and OT will probably come out later.

I hope you also review the current top two Catholic study bibles: Catholic Study Bible and Didache Study Bible. Both use the New American Bible Revised Edition (NABRE; pronounced like ‘neighbor’) translation but have distinct study notes organization. The Didache Study Bible also comes in an RSV-Second Catholic Edition translation.

@DiscipleDojo

2 жыл бұрын

If someone wants to send me one, I'm happy to. :-)

@johnfrancis6413

2 жыл бұрын

douay rheims bible is the catholic Bible because it is translated from the Vulgate

@lanbaode

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnfrancis6413 no, it is not. douay-rheims is not a study bible for today's readers. in it there are no copious study notes to help readers study deeper. it has a few footnotes mostly for linguistic clarificatory purposes only. besides its text traslation is not the one used in the liturgy today. its a bible that serves as an identity badge for traditionalist Catholics who mostly resist and reject the reforms of Vatican II and who believe that the more one does not understand the language the more it is divine and invested with magical power like "abracadabra"!

Thank you. Was looking at buying that very book. ❤

Thank you for the great review. I am a cradle orthodox who started to explore Pauline Dispensationalism. What are your thoughts on the latter? God bless!

@DiscipleDojo

Жыл бұрын

I'm not a fan of the foundational premises of Dispensationalism, as it was largely created in the 1800s and is pretty foreign to how Scripture reads in general, IMO.

@ElonMuskrat-my8jy

6 ай бұрын

Hopefully it was only to understand how to better refute that demonic heresy.

Fascinating.

Grace and Peace to you. I have the Ancient Faith Edition of the Orthodox Study Bible. I have a high regard for the LXX. After I finish reading the Tim LaHaye Prophecy Study Bible, I plan to read the Orthodox bible.

@DiscipleDojo

2 жыл бұрын

Skip Timmy and go straight to it! 😁😁😁

@lark8356

2 жыл бұрын

@@DiscipleDojo 😆 I'm so far along. I've already read the entire OT and Matthew and Mark. I like to finish what I start. I'm reading at a pace of 2 pages per day, so it's still going to be a while...

@lark8356

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@The jew Fears The Pan-Slavic Empire Grace and Peace to you. I've greatly enjoyed the OSB so far. On Sunday, I finished reading the its deuterocanon. By the way, I'm a Pretribulational, Premillennial Dispensationalist

@lark8356

Жыл бұрын

@The jew Fears The Pan-Slavic Empire No, sir, I have not. Thank you for sharing how you feel about your experience there.

An excellent review as usual 👏 I have noticed you preview the notes from the same 4 bible books in your study bible reviews (Genesis, Exodus, Romans and Revelations). Why is that? Why not include Psalms or one of the wisdom literature or one of the Prophets to have different genres of books to look at? Also bummed no notes from one of the Gospels are included... Ps epic thumbnail 👌

@DiscipleDojo

2 жыл бұрын

Because those are the 4 books where a study Bibles' notes will vary the most and the theological perspectives of the contributors will be most apparent.

Just wanted to say it's not that the Orthodox don't believe in Original Sin, we simply don't take the stance that there is inherited guilt from the sins of Adam. In brief we aren't born with the sin of Adam and Eve. We are born in a state of sin, since our nature changed after the fall. Original sin still took place with Adam, however. That is not what's in dispute. Inherited guilt is the difference. It's why the RCC created immaculate conception.

bro you get a thumbs up off the bat for critiquing our Bible with superheroes in the background

@DiscipleDojo

Жыл бұрын

Sweet. Glad others can appreciate the nerdiness! Check out our "Superhero Seminary" playlist here on the channel if you're a superhero fan!

A lot of Lutheran churches use a lectionary, I don’t know if all of them do. But although Lutherans are the original Protestants, they’re IMO closer to Catholics and Orthodox than they are all other Protestant denominations, because of their liturgical style, church calendar, and observance of the sacraments.

@princekermit0

7 ай бұрын

I think Jan Huss, and the Hussites predate the Lutherans. Check your church history. Moravian Church is the current name for the Hussites.

Good, objective review!

I really appreciated this review since discovering Orthodox theology AND Disciple Dojo. I send people to you constantly now and I'm happy to hear that you lean theologically the way you do. I've been in a season of deep dives on theology and am now a much happier and healthier mix of Wesleyan and Orthodox, Hebraic presuppositions instead of the incoherent American mix of toxic pop-theology and platitudes (descended from calvinism and Augustine) that I was before. Delighted to find that my Methodist/holiness roots have real substance and health to them, in spite of some issues and legalistic tendencies that have crept in. I've been organic church in practice for decades, but we need healthier underlying early church theological priors in our melting pot movement also. There's a lot of soft reformed theology or incoherent mixes there as well. Typical Americana. But before this deep change and exposure to those viewpoints your review would have been unintelligble and gone right over my head! But I appreciate that you respect our intelligence and aim for the "Bible nerd." I have this study Bible in Olive Tree and refer to it, but I need to go read more of the articles. I also look forward to them hopefully revising it in the future and making a much better printing of it. I would buy a hard copy if there weren't so many complaints about the physical product from this printing run, like paper thinness, print quality, extra defective copies going out, etc. I like physical books AND having all my resources on my pocket computer. 🥰 It's a crime that we can't get a digital copy thrown in with every physical book we buy, or as a bundle that's only SLIGHTLY more money, like buying a blu-ray that comes with a digital copy.😢

Fundamental presupp of EO is the Holy Spirt through the Church determines the cannon of scripture and thus the Church gives the correct interpretation.

The Greek Septuagint is what the early church used and what Judeans used in the few centuries prior to Christ in the synagogues and for study. The Hebrew Masoretic text didn't come into being until the 10th century AD.

Amazing to hear about all these concerts in the comments!

Ver good video🙏🥰thank you

The Jochebed note imo is a joke or just stating an ironic situation, just reached that part of the video, as an orthodox I really enjoyed it so far, thank you for the review.

Interesting!! Even though the page and paper quality looks kinda crappy, with lots of ghosting and fine text, I ordered it because of the interesting perspective as I’ve never studied the Bible from an Orthodox perspective before. It will be good to take a look.

@SspaceB

10 ай бұрын

You should read some of the Church Fathers

Please where i can get that Bible since i am in Europe Thanks❤

@DiscipleDojo

Жыл бұрын

I don't know. I just review them.

what's up buddy? Where do I find the Greek New Testament of the Orthodox Churches in Greek from 1904?

@DiscipleDojo

7 ай бұрын

I have no idea. Google maybe?

@profjeancarlos

7 ай бұрын

Thank you very much, I found it on Amazon, I already bought it, they ship it to Brazil@@DiscipleDojo

I was raised Protestant when I converted to Christ it was in a Pentecostal church. I became deeply disturbed at all of the different interpretations of scripture present within Christianity. This is when I found Orthodoxy. Daily I thank God. Something I didn’t understand at first was when I was to discuss scripture with my Priest how he would be so firm on “the churches view of scripture”. This is the beauty of orthodoxy. My personal salvation. He was not willing to compromise on any topic and had to gall to call some of my views heresy. The reason for the the commentary being written in this way is just that. The Orthodox Church will not bend the findings of the church fathers for anyone. (This is why it is called Orthodoxy right teaching) It is the most beautiful thing for someone to find a church that will not compromise for anyone. That is powerful. Also when commentary is left out it is because the Church hasn’t been revealed the meaning of this scripture as I am told. Some things are left for later generations. I do agree with this view as I would rather be told I done know before someone just makes something up off the top of their head. I liked you review of the Orthodox Bible I thought it was fair. God bless and read that Bible more often brother.

17:25. Actually, the Greek septuagint is nearly 1000 years older than the masoretic (Oldest Hebrew) text.

@DiscipleDojo

10 ай бұрын

The LXX is and will always be a translation of the Hebrew Scriptures. And the DSS show that the Hebrew of the MT is largely stable (with some periodic exceptions, such as the ones we've discussed here on the channel).

@theartofsiku

10 ай бұрын

@DiscipleDojo Yes, but it is translated from Hebrew texts a thousand years older than any Hebrew text in existence. It is quoted by writers of the New Testament text, and it has a far stronger messianic tone than the maskreric text. The oldest masoretic text dates 9th century and the oldest complete text, only 11th century. It's stable from nearly 1000 years after our saviour's incarnation: it seems to me that on all accounts, the LXX is most probably a much more reliable text.

@YAHWEH-SAVES777

8 ай бұрын

​​@@theartofsiku the septuigant was translated by jewish scholars who translated up to 51books of the old testament in greek from the ORIGNAL HEBREW. So the septuigant is the most reliable cause our modern day hebrew text come from 800-1000ad and the septuigant was tranlasted around 310-280BC from orignal hebrew which is much older

@theartofsiku

7 ай бұрын

The Septuagint, unlike the Masoretic text, has higher messianic text. This, for me, confirms it's higher fidelity.@@YAHWEH-SAVES777

I love using the app version, it's cheap and easy to navigate plus it has reading plans.

What are your views on the earlier patristic writings? Ignatius of Antioch, Polycarp, Clement of Rome, Justin Martyr and Irenaeus of Lyon.

@DiscipleDojo

5 ай бұрын

I think all of them should be read and taken into account, but none are inspired or infallible.

@aggienodari453

5 ай бұрын

@@DiscipleDojo Hi Dojo. Yes, I agree. There was what was known as moral unanimity of Fathers, but never absolute unanimity, meaning every single commentator we called father agreed on every single last detail. Certain things were universally in agreement, the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist as an example. St. Athanasius didn’t agree the Deuterocanon book should be included in the OT. Peace