Dev of the website here! This is super cool to see! And there's currently lots of games happening on the website, surely people coming from seeing the video - thanks to everyone who's trying it out! Since this video was recorded a few days ago, we've made a bunch of improvements for things like clarity (showing you which squares are haunted), getting rid of the drawbacks that did not play out very well (like X-ray Vision), and we're still actively working on it. There's a lot of sharp edges but we're trying to take feedback and improve - thanks to everyone who tries it out and gives us their thoughts!

@j.21

2 ай бұрын

good improvements

@pittsmaster1064

2 ай бұрын

Pin this

@HazhanJalal

2 ай бұрын

@williekaufman4101 Super fun idea, best of lucks. One thing which may not be currently in your hand is I just played 3 games and lost without me knowing it. when refreshing the page it said I lost due to running out of time, tho while the game was on it was opponents turn.

@gabrieljohnson6304

2 ай бұрын

I think having a built-in feature to help streamers hide their drawback somehow would definitely help spread the game a lot more. At the moment I could see why a streamer would refrain from playing because of stream snipers.

@williekaufman4101

2 ай бұрын

Makes sense - I can add a button that hides your drawback. You still have to check it at the start of the game, though, so it's only a little more convenient, I think.@@gabrieljohnson6304

Gotta say, i like the idea, but some of those drawbacks are just absolutely unbeatable. I thought the x-ray thing would have given you atleast one turn to react to it but it was just insta loss, which makes it basically auto-loss at that point.

@williekaufman4101

2 ай бұрын

Dev of the website here! Ya, you're totally right, X-ray vision is way too savage - it's been removed. It's hard to make really difficult ones that don't feel stifling, but X-ray Vision wasn't tough-but-interesting, it was just kinda stupid. Plus we already have three-check as a drawback, which is a similar but less stupid version. There's been a bunch of improvements in the last few days since this video was recorded and we're still actively working on it so feedback like this is super helpful!

@oscarilkka4969

2 ай бұрын

​@@williekaufman4101 Hey good to hear! One good addition would be to just put opponents drawback without the close popup, or at least possibility to open it. Too many times have i automatically closed it and then realized i didn't even read what they had.

@williekaufman4101

2 ай бұрын

Ah yup, this is clearly a good idea - will add. Unfortunately, updating stuff like this requires taking the website down for ~30s, and I don't wanna mess up the games people are currently playing, so I'll probably try to find a good time for it tonight or something. In the meantime, you can refresh the page, although I realize that's not a great solution. Thanks!@@oscarilkka4969

@maxomega3

2 ай бұрын

I definitely was thinking x-ray vision was too strong, but honestly could still be interesting if you just had to move the king instead of just losing immediately. That's how I interpreted it originally and was surprised when he lost as soon as he was in "x-ray check"@@williekaufman4101

@stvia

2 ай бұрын

​@@williekaufman4101i mean you could make it what I thought it was at first "if you're king could get captured by a piece on an otherwise empty board you lose" that might be interesting but tough

This gives major ChessSimp energy, though it's a very different game when your opponent is not 100 rated!

@AndyA1

2 ай бұрын

Well, I'm not a coward.

@jaideepshekhar4621

2 ай бұрын

The dev was inspired by him! :)

The first two games were pretty much impossible for you to win, especially x-ray vision. I mean come on, that situation comes up nearly every game in chess.

@jacobstahlmann6958

2 ай бұрын

A monkey would beat Magnus Carlson 90% of the time if he had that drawback

@stvia

2 ай бұрын

The weirdest thing was that that ruleset was rated 1100 while having to move your long when checked was 1400 even though with this ruleset you literally loose when in check and it's even way stronger than just that

@futurefox128

2 ай бұрын

Could maybe be a fun ruleset if it only counted as a check: ie you must move your king out of the x-ray on your turn, otherwise you lose. This would still be a major handicap. Maybe add in that your opponents piece can only x-ray through 1 piece. as an easier version

@awen199

2 ай бұрын

​@@futurefox128was thinking this myself. A lighter version, like you said only being able to x-ray through one pawn/piece for the win would be much more balanced

@diabl2master

2 ай бұрын

Pioneer is also just completely impossible to play

100 rated chess, but your opponent is unpaid

@maxomega3

2 ай бұрын

I was thinking this was a lot like chess simp's videos

@mariuszpudzianowski8400

2 ай бұрын

Very aggresive.

@mingyue_chen

2 ай бұрын

So true 🤣🤣🤣

I LOVE Eric's face expression when he learned the opponent's drawback 4:03 like "you're calling THAT a drawback?"

In my first game my drawback was "Modest: You lose if you have more pieces than your opponent." The opponent's drawback was "Boastful: You lose if you have fewer pieces than your opponent." Finding that out at the end of the game felt a little bit unfair...

@alsatusmd1A13

2 ай бұрын

Should that be allowed to happen if it makes both players lose for getting a normal outcome?

@elieaboujaoudeh8595

2 ай бұрын

so who won?

@RishabhSharma10225

2 ай бұрын

Wait. So if you make the first capture, you both lose?

@elieaboujaoudeh8595

2 ай бұрын

They could have kept the tension until king taking...

@mingyue_chen

2 ай бұрын

A real paradox

I played a couple games after watching this video, that buzz noise happens when your opponent tries to make an illegal move. Makes it easier to figure out your opponents drawback.

No moves to a rank you occupy? That is a BRUTAL drawback! The second was an easy mate in two, regardless of what you played.

So glad Chess Simp got his own website.

@mariuszpudzianowski8400

2 ай бұрын

This blunders the woman.

@U20E0

2 ай бұрын

i wonder if he was the inspiration

@chess_org

2 ай бұрын

Lmao

Ha, just tried this and lost a game in a few moves - my drawback was if any opponent's pawn gets past to my side of the board I lose. Good grief.

Xray vision could be split in two drawbacks (can be checked through pieces, check = loss) and both halves would be insanely hard.

@user-th1hu6hg9s

2 ай бұрын

Check loss is impossible.

Is there any chance we will see more chess variants (or Fairy Chess) in the future? It's fun watching high level players play with different rules or more pieces, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of content of it on KZread. Pychess (which is a alternative fork of the website Lichess) has a bunch of fairy chess varients, and I think it would be fun to watch a game of Capablanca Chess (with Gothic alternate start, because it's a more balanced position and you will get more creative openings; otherwise White will be playing D3 or D4 at the start because the Archbishop has such a powerful diagonal targeting the rook in the corner).

The moment you noticed the True Gentleman drawback was hilarious 😂

10:36 if he takes your rook to “trade”, it is checkmate 😅

@meneermankepoot

2 ай бұрын

I was thinking the exact same thing, except the opponent wouldnt be able to take the king because of their own drawback lmao

@shadourow-bathory6965

2 ай бұрын

@@meneermankepoot Imagine Eric, feeling defeated, move his king toward his death Then puzzled, he sees that his oponent, having forked a king and a rook, decides to take the rook

@lelibruk3910

2 ай бұрын

Am I being dumb? Aside from opponents drawback, cant just the rook trade and we chilling?

@JEREMYREOUVEN

2 ай бұрын

@@lelibruk3910 we cannot take back the rook, because of Eric’s drawback: when in check, he must move his king

@jacobgoldman5780

2 ай бұрын

No because opponent didn't have 3 knights...

It would also be cool if it was possible for both players to have the same drawback, maybe in particular if the game is with a friend.

@crowreligion

Ай бұрын

Imagine Boastful vs Boastful (Boastful : you lose if you have less pieces than your opponent) Basically 1 capture = immediate win

More of this pls!

Feedback: zen mode toggle to allow your opponent to see the drawback

10:38 would he have lost if opponent played Rxg1? Since the drawback is only king moves while in check.

@ArticulateDuck

2 ай бұрын

not on the spot, since the opponent couldn't perform the king-capture yet, due to not having three knights.

@clementngai7174

2 ай бұрын

@@ArticulateDuck ah right good point

@lelibruk3910

2 ай бұрын

Why cant u just take back with the other rook? I feel like im missing something here

@retard3255

2 ай бұрын

​@@lelibruk3910re read the last sentence of the comment

@mingyue_chen

2 ай бұрын

But who plays like that?

You know what would make an interesting idea for chess? A lock feature, where every round, a piece is locked and its random. So move 1 (you and your opponent) bishop is locked (no big deal, can't move bishops anyway move one. Then it's randomized again, pawn locked (uh oh) move two. Then move three maybe it will say knights locked, so nobody can move a knight. Then move four maybe the bishop is locked and so on and so forth.

@lelibruk3910

2 ай бұрын

That sounds really cool tbh (maybe for the idea in which someone said a queue for one drawback for both of them)

Please keep creating Drawback Chess content. I love the game myself and it's very fun to watch.

I want to see more of this. I would also like to see that dinner.

It’s interesting to guess along both players’ drawbacks. So, nice format indeed. However, some drawbacks are unbalanced. Author might consider matching the handicaps better.

Super cool game, I dont even think some of the more busted drawbacks are necessarily bad, they just need to be placed in to tiers so both players have similar levels of drawbacks. If there was enough of a playerbase, you could even queue in to which tier of drawback you want.

I think something great about chess (but not most other games) is you can understand your opponent's weaknesses and take advantage of them. It seems like they should tell you the opponent's drawbacks so you can plan, but it's probably more interesting that they don't!

10:37 If black captured your rook, its a check, so you cant take back and must move your king to either b1 or d1. But, because of your opponent's drawback, they cant take your king and would take your rook on h1 instead. Then its another check, so you have to move your king again Assuming opponent rook doesnt leave the 1st rank, you must move your king until you escape the 1st rank via e2 or threaten the white rook at g1, g2, h1, etc.

I think this is pretty funny. More of this pls

super cool, more of this, please

would love to see more games with this variant!

The last one is interesting. If the opponent figures it out, they are invincible by shuffling the king back and forth between haunted squares.

@mingyue_chen

2 ай бұрын

They don't even have to shuffle it. Their king can just stay in a haunted square.

@magnusthorup3916

2 ай бұрын

@@mingyue_chen well, in the end there would be zugzwang, so at least one piece must shuffle, or am I wrong? It dosent have to be the king though.

@mingyue_chen

2 ай бұрын

@@magnusthorup3916 In the end, yes, I totally agree. But I was thinking with that knowledge they should have won long before that if they just leave their king in a haunted square and attack ruthlessly.

Gave it a try but only got matched against the same guy 4 times in a row. Wouldn't be a problem except I put in my actual rating of 1900 and he clearly joined as a beginner even though he's probably about my level. I get drawbacks that can instalose me the game based on things I have limited control over, or prevent me from making necessary moves to avoid checkmate, he gets drawbacks like "you can't move your rooks until they're connected" which is basically standard anyway lmao. Kind of takes the fun out of the game if you lie about your rating.

ERIC!!!!!! let’s go!!!!!!

Seems pretty cool, I like the idea of harder drawbacks balancing rating difference

i love this. really loved duck chess, spell chess, now this. love variants that make things really weird and complicated. more of this please!

Awesome game. Has potential and would love to see more.

Thanks for the great content, my wife finds your voice very soothing and plays your audio while falling asleep after a hectic day.

Really like your videos!

In that last game, instead of listing the squares you can't move to, it would be better to mark those squares on the board itself, say with a small red X.

It was really fun to watch !

Chess Simp: The Home Game (tm) 😂

Thank you

This was fun, I’d like to see it again!

This was fun to watch

What an awesome game, I just won despite having to move to square b1 on move 13 (as black) and I've never felt so alive

this is madness, love it

Wow, the second one was so brutal, I thought it had to be the opponent's turn for it to count. This one just isn't fair.

Isn't Bb5 at 1:21 mate for white? Edit: nice, he noticed it later (2:06).

This was a lot of fun. Its not duck chess, which I think is the most interesting variant you've spotlighted on this channel, but it's still pretty cool.

I love how he pretty much lost the first game in 1 move. If the opponent knew, bishop g5 was instant mate

I was watching Nicklas' stream when you beat him, and he was just saying how you know everything.

I actually think it would be more fun if you can see each other's drawback - or alternatively, if you both get the same drawback.

6:13 hee hee hee

@lelibruk3910

2 ай бұрын

Eric might be the cutest content creator I know....

opinion on stalemate in timed chess? ive drawn alot of games recently.. iam +6 up , but they are looking for stale mate,,,only 700 elo as well..

This video made me curious so i played a game myself. Ended up forgetting about my drawback and blundered a draw because my pawns could only move to light squares, meaning they couldn't promote ;u; It was funny at least

Horse tranquilizer was such a free win. XD

If you wanna know hidden drawback at 6:32... While in check, you must move your king

@williekaufman4101 To the Dev of the website and also Eric Rosen.. I have an idea.. One of the drawbacks could be, can't move to or capture anything on the center squares e4 e5 d4 d5... If opponent forces you to move to a center square (say, by a check) you loose. This could even be a double drawback where neither player can use the center squares. Eric, you could also do this as a video not related to Drawback Chess. Your opponent has no way of knowing why you are not taking control of the center and not making captures there. This would show the importance of controlling the center with an extreme case where you can't do that at all. Idea?

Not knowing what drawback Eric got, makes it even more satisfying to watch... ❤🎉😂

Rosen best chess content ever!

At 7:24, the night move was a blunder no? If black takes the knight with the bishop you would have to move with the king having no time to recapture with the pawn.

now i cannot stop playing that... and i need to work :)

Imagine the new lines you'll make in standard chess after too many games here

This looks fun

My first game on this site my drawback was: "Glorious Battle: For four consecutive moves, starting on move 16, you must capture" whereas my opponents was "Checkers: You must capture if able." Also strange that lower drawback elo means it is harder not easier?

7:18 If your opponent captures your knight you can’t take back. so I think Bishop d2 makes more sense.

AI forced u to capture its rook when it damn well knew it couldn’t take your queen. Something tells me it is programmed to play the best move and isn’t concerned with the follow up moves. Once it gets to the follow up moves it tries to play them, when it can’t it plays next beat until it can move

Most exciting development in chess since Em passant.

Its kinda hilarious how Eric says that his drawback didn't affect his game and right at that moment (10:38) his opponent has rook x g1 ending the game with a loss for Eric :-)))) And the move is not even that impossible at some levels :-) Which of course was prevented by the opponents drawback but that was to be found out only after the game :-) PS: it was not impossible, but it would be funny to lose a rook and then Eric would have to move his kind on a square where it can be captured(d1?), but opponent would instead capture the other rook and Eric would then move the king once again :-) And then even if the opponent was able to somehow exchange Eric's queen he would still need to promote 3 knights and checkmate with them to win :-)))))

more!

"I can't move on to a rank I arleady occupy" Occupies the 6th rank on the first move

"Oh no my King!" :D :D

game 1 drawback: black must lose game 2: your opponent won by cheating

There was a moment in the game where you had to move your king if you were in check where your opponent could’ve essentially back rank mated you 😅

@cenobia5111

2 ай бұрын

But also the opponent wouldn't have been able to take Eric's king since they didn't have 3 knights. I wonder what would have happened lol

@emkael5374

2 ай бұрын

@@cenobia5111 Probably just White running out of time.

@Zaitann

2 ай бұрын

He would have won both rook then

@phamnguyenductin

2 ай бұрын

@@cenobia5111 In that case White could still move the King on the rank because in this game the King can be left in check.

16:12 believe it or not, taking the rook would have forked the king and queen.

I see you like variants, have you given 5d chess a try? Although the hype around it has died down, I still think it's a really interesting variant.

That second game ended in a weird, somewhat paradoxical way.

Would be cool if you could add the drawback as timeline, in the description or as edited text in the video for the KZread people. I don't wanna skip forward and spoil myself just to see the drawback :( I think it's much more interesting as a viewer if I know the drawback while you make decisions.

Its basically chess but luck based you dont need skill when your opponent is unlucky 😂

10:40 if your opponent took your rook you cant move your king and ur in check!

this was good fun

1:24 couldn’t the opponent take on c5, and if Eric took back with his pawn then queen takes queen wins the game because the king can’t take back (because that would be moving on a rank with other pieces)

Hilarious video 👍🏻

The x-ray should be "when you end your turn", cause that's just not fair otherwise

10:35 if black would’ve captured rook that would’ve been game

Wow, very rich variant!

The AI had like 10 opportunities to take your queen before you exploited the disadvantage lmao

It seems the AI doesn't actually understand that it has a drawback and will still go for tactics that don't work with it. The AI deciding to trap your queen when it couldn't even take was a horrible idea

I just played 37 drawback games and reached a rating of 1803. Quite fun!

To the Dev of the website and also Eric Rosen.. I have an idea.. One of the drawbacks could be, can't move to or capture anything on the center squares e4 e5 d4 d5... You can say check through the center like normal, but you can't Move through the center squares. If opponent forces you to move to a center square (say by a check) you loose. Eric, you could also do this as a video not related to Drawback Chess. First game opponent doesn't know about it. Second game of the match neither player can use the center squares. This would show the importance of controlling the center with an extreme case where you can't do that at all. Idea?

@byronwindhorst3220

2 ай бұрын

Wondering if @Eric or the Dev of the website saw my comment. (can't use the center squares)

would be more fun if both players got the same drawback imo. Some of these are waaaaaaay worse lmao.

you should've edited in the drawback so the youtube viewers could know them

i would pay to see super GMs try this mode

This is kind of fun but ridiculous. You may as well flip a coin. You just can not overcome some of the draconian drawbacks. If they were more mild drawbacks it would be better.

Wait, in the first game couldn't white win with Bb5+ on move 3?

16:47 Oh, no, my rook!(?)

If opponent knows that I'm true gentleman than he will start capturing each and every piece by queen and king will be the last standing to captured 😅😂

@lelibruk3910

2 ай бұрын

Reading your comment made me realise you can use the queen to essentially block m1 even, imagine putting the queen between the opponents rook and queen looking directly into the kings eye 😂 that sounds really fun

You shoulda just wrote it or put a picture of it for those on KZread during the game.

I like it. Although I think your first two drawbacks were way too severe to give you any reasonable chance to win. It's too bad your non-AI opponents were watching and knew your drawbacks. But that's no fault of the game. Would love to see you try it again.

Regardless of stream sniping, it's beyond stupid to have drawbacks that allow one side to win in a few moves with no possible response from the other side. Drawbacks like the first 2 Eric got should just be changed.

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