**update** The clx was returned to the shop it was purchased from (Ronnie sunshines In the uk) The lads didn't make a fuss and spent some time with the young lady owner to find a suitable replacement that was manageable for size and weight. And even chucked her in a few freebies. So that's good news atleast. Thanks for sorting it out chaps,with no fuss.

@simonbateman5361

2 жыл бұрын

I can vouch for that - Ronnie Sunshines we great - Swapped out the gun (despite tears from Florence as she was attached to the CLX!) and made sure she got what she needed to move ahead in the sport. Thanks guys.

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

@@carpingoxonox155 this one was July of last year, so under 8 months old. Get onto them asap 😉

@lukeatkinson30

Жыл бұрын

What did the replace it with an ultra se?

Great to see a review, where we not afraid to challenge manufacturers to improve, with honest feedback

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

Hi mate i always try and be as impartial as possible.

Well I'm really glad I subscribed to your channel this morning, watched most of your stuff since and this video is priceless.I was thinking about getting the latest offering from BSA after watching a review from another well known channel. Recently ordered a new "top quality" scope on its recommendations, didnt even put it on a rifle as the ret in it was dire,way too fine to be usable in the field,backed it and got a much better sight in my opinion,and now you have pointed out the problems in BSA,s quality control I'm sticking with my trusty Air arms rifles.Never had any issues with them and one was bought in the 90,s . What a shame and as a Brummie I'm very disappointed looks like they've gone the same way as their motorbike's. Thanks for saving me a grand plus😉👍.

It was really good to receive an in depth review of the rifle faults, rather than the normal glossy picture. I was thinking of buying one, I have second thoughts now.

Thank you for this review, has given me a pause for thought before trading in my current gun for one of these

@tillysgunstocks

Жыл бұрын

Hold fire mate.wait until the new r10 is released today and a few have been torn apart. It'll be Interesting to see if any of the issues have been worked out on that new model.

Firstly I'd like to thank you for pointing out this rather glaring fault to what is a great air rifle. I measured and this morning I've machined up a double-ended stud with 6mm thread on either side and the body size of 11.04 mm dia & 10.64mm deep. On the block side, I had to turn down the body to 10.4 by 2mm to locate it in the counterbore. I also turned up a stainless washer to seat under the domed nut. I screwed the stud into the block, with a small drop of Loctite, then lowered it into the stock easily. Put in place the 14mm dia washer. Had to find a very slim 10mm socket to do up the nut and when I felt resistance, I tried to wobble the gun and stock and it was solid. Even undone a few turns, there still was no movement. So pleased with how it has turned out and back to being very pleased with the CLX. I feel that your example has not been looked after and the stippling on the stock wear could apply to many Menelli stocks fitted to many other makes of rifles. I think that BSA should do something like the job I've done, which would not need any other work to stock or monoblock. I've posted a video kzread.info/dash/bejne/emSuls6Rc5zVXdY.html for those that would like to keep and repair their gun. Best Dave

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

Thats great you've come up with a neat solution, sounds just the job. I'm glad it's all as it should be. Thanks for sharing your modification 😉

@dave20thmay

2 жыл бұрын

@@tillysgunstocks I'm glad that you like my mod. It really feels solid. The original T25 bolt with a starlock washer into wood was not even a schoolboy error. Will have a look at how my friend's R10 is fixed.

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

The r10 has a 1/2"od male/ female stud to accept the stock bolt. It's the same basic fixing arrangement as all the ultras/hornets/scorpion and goldstar pcp use. Works fine and a nice bit of meat in the stock around the bolt. Ofcourse having the air cylinder /hammer housing below the breech block as per r10 ,the stocks are Inlet so the lower portion sits supported in a channel as opposed to sat on a flat base with sides.

@dogwhistel127

2 жыл бұрын

my problems are streight out of the box.

@DMFPERFORMANCE

Жыл бұрын

Just epoxy and rebore the hole around 10p of epoxy to fix this issue.

Very interesting points raised , it's a pity the New stuff cant be manufactured with the same pride and quality of the old Bsa .... never mind , love the vids new sub 🇬🇧

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome thanks for subscribing. 😉 Yeah it seems that these have been rushed out the door, I've no doubt eventually it will end up decent enough though.

Great video mate I have had 2 of these gutted both with same problems stock bolt striping the thread in the block never again

Oh dear! I was, until I saw this warming up to changing my Ultramax for a CLX but not now ☹. Many thanks for the review, very interesting and I hope BSA will put these faults right for the future.

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

I'll be honest, I'm pretty annoyed and gutted about it myself. I was hoping to add one to my fleet shortly as I do love an ultra. Not for the moment for sure.

I dropped in a flat washer and a spring washer...... Never had an issue. Got a red wolf, hw100, R10 and the clx ultra. Love them all

Iv'e had the Ultra (tactical) the model before the new CLX, for almost a year now, it's a dream to shoot and had not one problem. One of the other lads who comes on my permisions has just bought one of these, will let him know the problems so he can check for damage. I'm surprised BSA changed the mag design or just another way they can con more money out of customers instead of using existing mag. I won't buy BSA or Walther for my next rifle (I buy a new one every year) next time it'l be one of the underdogs like REXIMEX, seem to get allot more for your money. Great video under the circumstances.

Thanks for the reply !i will have a look at the. Mag

Excellent critique on this gun - many thanks! I would have liked to trade my Ultra MMC type for one of these, since the monoblock action looks very promising, also for other versions like new to be R10s and Scorps. APART from one other problem: I never handled one, but from the pictures it struck me how much shorter the barrel tenon block is compared to the old versions. Mounting stuff on the muzzle, let alone long barrels loaded with silencer and the like, make this a weak barrel support. I doubt if this action will successfully serve other - longer - versions. The stock problems especially for HFT use guns, should be solved by offering a polymer stock option like the old tactical type. Although the shape of this wooden stock on the outside seems very good. I hope BSA will find a synthetic stock for these aong the same lines. But they should lengthen that barrel block first. The observation and discussion of the other problems makes this an exemplary video... Good enough to make me hang onto my extremely accurate MMC Ultra single shot for another while...

@t147han

2 жыл бұрын

This rifle looks like it has been abused.i have the same. mine 177 52 and this one 177 51.mine is as new.i have 10 mm groupes at 20 yards.thats good enough for me.if you take a rifle out in bad weather.you take the stock off in seconds.and clean and dry off and use correct torque to refix.

I was SO close to getting a CLX instead of my RM8 Beech last year, looks like I'm incredibly glad I did!

@stephengunrunnerhanson3550

2 жыл бұрын

Rm8 has some very nearly the same problems with the pellet going into the bolt action and stops it cocking and you can double load it and the barrel can loosing by its self I suppose every make has there problems

@ransomedavis2208

Жыл бұрын

If your going to get a bsa thgen get the R10 se the clx isnt in the same league

@bunkaaa8726

Жыл бұрын

@@ransomedavis2208 what makes the r10 that much better, Is the rifle, mag, assembly etc all better quality?

@michaelslinger3998

2 ай бұрын

​@@bunkaaa8726 the price

good honest thoughts 👍👍

I almost bought one today but i said to the seller i want to go check youtube to see their feedback, he was not impressed. Well.. seems i was right to do so for once in my life, told him i'll be back in a couple of days. What a priceless video this turned out to be, you saved my ass. I fell in love with this rifle and am usually like a kid in a candy shop but something said youtube, i think your disappointment attracted me to watch because i feel that deep disappointment also, what a shame. You have a new sub..

@jefftaylor4707

Жыл бұрын

Air arms mate,properly made rifles😉👍

No problems with my 6 month old .22 Ultra CLX. It’s had a fair amount of use but I never use it when raining. Have heard of problems with .177 pellets falling through the mag

My one was the same every few shots a flyer and shavings around the crown and scored barrel, sold it no more BSA thanks.

Late to the party on this, but to add my experience; I like to check the way the probe aligns with the magazine by using a white food label sticker to blank-off the loading port on the mag case and then gently pushing the bolt forward to make an impression that can then be examined. In my experience, that mark is seldom dead-centre and is sometimes way off to the left.

I have one of these ! It's in 22 and shoots fine. There were a couple of issues. The action was lose in the stock. Apparently the standard bolt is slightly too long. I had a leak from the fill port. Gun was new and replaced by my dealer straight away. Replacement also had lose action. Easily sorted by changing to a shorter bolt. The cover on the fill port does come off too easily. I'll try adding that O ring further up. Hadn't thought of that. 👍

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Tony, do you remember if the stock was loose from the very start or did it work loose after a short while? I think once the niggles have been ironed out, it has a lot of potential. Just not the particular one in the video..

@tonydobberson4439

2 жыл бұрын

@@tillysgunstocks lose when I picked it up. Which they sorted in store. Took it home. Found leak after I filled it. Took it back. Took replacement without checking it !! Stupid I know. Found replacement gun was also lose. Initially just put a washer inside. Then realised it was the bolt that was too long.. Some people have just tightened it and damaged the thread.. I've heard of a few with lose stock/actions. And a couple with leaky fill port. I think it's just poor final quality control. Mine is great now. Mags are OK. Managed to get a spare. Expensive though..

I was thinking of buying one this week, boy am I pleased I've read this........shocking BSA. Stick with my Air Arms 510

I guess the large counterbores on the inside and outside of the stock are used as a jig location to mount on a post during the cnc process of shaping the wood.

Still got the bsa ultra mmc 12 years of shooting greatness

I bought two BSA rifles last July, a Gold Star SE and an Ultra SE. Both broke down in no time. The Gold Star needed new seals out of the box because of leaking issues. After repairs it lasted a few minutes before starting to leak again. The Ultra held out for a few days before the bolt locked up and chrome shavings littered the action.

@tillysgunstocks

Жыл бұрын

Damn that's bad luck. The ultras are pretty stout units generally but the flaking pellet probes are a known issue. The goldstar too is usually a fairly well proven Rifle nowdays. What a nightmare

@Zegswijze

Жыл бұрын

@@tillysgunstocks I guess QC is lacking at the BSA factory these days. Such a shame another established company is going that route.

@petenikolic5244

Жыл бұрын

They are not BSA thou are they now they are basically GAMO .

I thought i would come back to this.My clx is still perfect as the day i bought it.the rubber butt pad became a little to small due to the timber in the stock expanding due to minelli not bsa.yes the gauge cap is not strong enough.Nothing that a little insulation tape does not solve.so as not to loose out hunting.Had mine must be one and a half years now.To many people do not know how to take care of things.And then want to blame every one else but them selves.It is not a military weapon designed to be abused in time of war.Yet even those rifles need to be taken care of.As for some of the things i am reading do not make sense.a bolt to long.?.if this was a problem.every one would be a problem due to repeated engineering..Every nut or screw has a torque setting.Have lost count of the times.people are bumused when i ask them what torque they used.Why do they not think after being in the rain to dismantle for a few seconds.clean dry off and reset the bolt at correct torque.

I bought one of these when they were first released. Within 2 wks it had dragged a pellet back into the breech and jammed the mechanism. The dealer returned the gun to BSA ans within a short time it was returned. No problems since, but beware when taking elevated shots especially when using 4.50mm pellets as they can slip back out of the mag. Also, found a pronounced power SPIKE about halfway through the pressure cycle. This can cause the gun to shoot high for quite a number of shots. This seems to settle as the pressure drops down to 100 bar. Having nowt better to do.....I ran a full string of shots thro the Chrono and noted all the results. At 232 bar the gun was producing less than 10 ft lbs, rising to 11.5 at 180 bar. At 180 to 110 bar the gun is fairly consistent. These results could be because the gun is not regulated, and the (spike) is what some shooters call (the sweet spot). I am not a hunter, just shoot targets, which is why I have found this anomaly. This spike results in the gun shooting slightly high for a number of shots. Not a major prob for me, but for a hunter or pest controller it could result in an unethical wounding situation. I would be interested if anyone else has run these tests and what results were forthcoming.

Stuff like this puts me off the R12 I fancy, maybe I should go Daystate or Brocock afterall

As a fix, I'd be tempted to roughly over-bore the hole a little, fill it with 2pack resin and re-drill after being well cured.

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah its all fixable stuff, but whilst it's in warranty it's not something we as customers should have to think about. I'd make an aluminium bedding block to increase the footprint of the action in the stock, re inlet it, a little deeper to accommodate it,and then open up the through hole to the size of the counter bore on the inside and make a sizeable top hat washer inset into the outside the stock and bringing the id of the hole back down to where it need be. 😉

@beth61962

Жыл бұрын

That’s exactly what I’ve done . Filled with JB weld resin and re drilled. As strong as you can get

With a counterbore in both the stock and action, I wonder if there is supposed to be a locating dowel ?

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

I had similar thoughts, maybe something along the lines of the fixing boss/stud like the earlier ones do. There's nothing missing from this action though.so 🤔

Was looking to purchase a new BSA air gun but a bit off putting seeing your blog not sure what other guns to look at.any recommendations would be appreciated 😁

After watching your very detailed video, I am reaching for my bargepole to gently push away from BSA airguns, think that I'll stick with weirauch!👍

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

I'm still a big fan of the earlier guns, the hornet and early ultras are a pretty robust bit of kit,and huge amounts of aftermarket parts available.

@Esoxlucius51

2 жыл бұрын

I'm a proud owner of an Airarms s410f classic,in walnut ( lefty bolt& Monte Carlo stock) the only other English made gun IS a BSA! but the one I've got is a 1922 bsa 's' type underlever,100yrs old, still shoots @10.4ftlbs......occasionally

@arthurmow262

2 жыл бұрын

Until you read about the pressure loss on the HW110... If you avoided every manufacturer who has problems with their guns, you would not be shooting at this point.

We sells loads of ultra’s at our shop. And I can guarantee every one will come back with some sort off issue. BSA’s quality has gone down hill in the last year. Fantastic when working but frustrating when not! We had a number of them come back due to the wrong stock screw being fitted, which is just ridiculous! Along with accuracy issues etc

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

Chris, did you get a chance to see wether the bolt was actually too long,or the stock deforming? Surely on assembly and going through your hands in the shop you would have noticed the action loose? They have a shakeproof washer on the bolt, it's as sharp as my planes are and even if the stock didn't deform like this one it will shave the stock down each time it's removed for cleaning? So in short order the bolt will bottom out in the block threads and the action rattle.

@chrisrobinson7395

2 жыл бұрын

@@tillysgunstocks It was the wrong bolt entirely. Every one we had back had the same issue, minus others work accuracy issues etc. bsa themselves clarified their error and apologised to us. Quality control has been awful with them. R10’s also always come back with leaking issues. It’s a bloody joke

@Biffo1262

9 ай бұрын

I have three older Ultras, 2x MMC .177 & .22 and a .177 SE. The SE being the newest at probably right or nine years old. Both the MMC's about eleven years old and despite there age I haven't had one iota of a problem. I've just put Huma gauges on them both as my nine year old youngest grandson has taken to shooting them. I like the Huma quality so I've just ordered a Huma regulator for the SE and I'm waiting for a larger air cylinder to become available. It is already mounted in a Scorpion green tactical stock. None of my three have large holes for the bolt; they are a clearance size for the OEM Allen bolt. They all have shrouds fitted and are blessedly quiet. Given my lack of problems, has the quality really deteriorated so much in the later models and if so, why?

@granite676

7 ай бұрын

That stock could be repaired with a router and some hard resin. Then redrilled for standard stock bolt . The air tank can be wet and dried clean again and sprayed satin. The magazines stripped cleaned and silicon oiled. Then given a thorough clean ans service. It is an easily salvage able gun.

@travisbickle5584

5 ай бұрын

That's a shame, been agonising over which air rifle to buy and was set on an ultra.

You may want to have Carm Custom Air Rifle Magazines make the mags for this gun...I just had them make me 4 for my Kral Puncher NP-03 they are PERFECTION!

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

I think going forward it will be a good shout, his mags work great👍

@stephengunrunnerhanson3550

2 жыл бұрын

Seen a few after market made mags and they are very good not to heavy on the mag spring

How many times did he bash the stock and the action of this gun. Wouldn’t let him near any of mine. My new Ultra CLX. Has been faultless, love it.

A member of my shooting club had a new BSA that was a pile of cxxp. He got the gun put right by airmasters ,the list of faults was shocking I will avoid BSA guns after his experiences.

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

It's a real shame as they can be turned Into very good target guns, but you should be able to do that at your own leisure,not just to get it to work adequately

@Patrick-857

2 жыл бұрын

BSA is owned by Gamo. Avoid.

Got the original ultra single shot don’t think I’ll be parting with fantastic wee gun

I was really happy with my CLX untill I actualy gave shooting spinners a rest and tried shooting some groupings. Groups like a shotgun and the reason was blatantly obvious to me. It's the front plate on the magazine which is razer sharp and the stop pin that's machined inside the plate is sharp and I have absolutely no doubt that it's damaging the pellet skirts as they index against it as the probe is withdrawn. Shocking considering the shamefull price they've put on them. Well done bsa you've cocked it up again. Last time it was the r10 mk3 regulator that let them down.

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

I hope it gets sorted for you mate. Unfortunately I've had loads of people mentioning similar issues.

@erniestory7223

Жыл бұрын

It's all about your pellets and finding your sweet spot get then right the guns a goodin mate buy a reg

Has that stock screw hole been drilled out afterwards to fit a single post hamster? It looks to have been pretty crudely done to fit a too long post fixed with a short screw maybe by someone unable to cut metal and drill and tap a bolt hole. I've seen a few Ultra stocks in addition to my own and all had a simple 6mm hole bored through with a square countersink on the underside around 6mm deep, with a lock washer in the bottom. BSA do the same with the Lightning stock bolt holes. I bet a pound to a penny someone bored that lousy hole and the circular scratch is from the drill chuck...

Hi this may be a silly question but can you make it a single shot part?, i know that in some cases with other companies air rifles with mag sometimes have the same problem and these people have change to single shot and have sore that out,but with the stock it looks like you may need to strengthen some how sir or if you can have a look at other bsa clx stocks and see if they have the same problem as well sir

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

We've done a little investigation. Seems some stocks have a much shallower counter bore inside and they should be fine. There will be some 3d printed single shot trays floating around from the usual lads which will negate magazine issues. But it'd be nice to be able to buy a multi shot and use it as such really. I'm sure in time the issues will be sorted out.

Oh no just bought one of these today, this gun was a replacement for the JSA airucuda cause that gun couldn’t take a silencer without pellets getting caught inside. What do you suggest I do? The shop is 1.5 hour drive away

Could you please add a follow up video to explain what BSA are offering as a fix ?

Someone on the agf sumed up BSA of 2022 and what they stand for these days................... Bad Spanish Airgun ! Make of that what you will but a bowkett designed Birmingham made ultra mmc this most certainly isn't! It's a real shame really I had high hopes for this being all new design etc but something clearly needs a rethink and definite rectification. atb 😁👍 keep em coming mate great content 👌 it's a sub for me for sure 👍👍

Would glass bedding the action into the stock like you would on a centrefire sort one of the issues.

Surely they must see this during testing before the things are initially released for sale? Probably did and weighed up the cost to rectify with a design change then said sod it 🤔

Yep it's all doom and gloom on here,, I'm ready for the rope ro tell the truth I've got one ove these little guns,, 177 cal I find not a problem with it good grouping 50 yrds no probs it's been well hammered still going well,, ps still got old ultra 177 mmc fantastic little guns had it over ten years,, got a few guns but these are my go to guns always one point tho change the dovetail it's out ove date now

@stephenoshea1166

20 күн бұрын

I'm thinking about an ultra in .22, would you recommend the se or clx, like certain features of the clx such as safety position etc, but want the most reliable. Thanks.

Mine wouldn't index the mag after firing shot 1. If you cocked the bolt and slid the mag out about 2mm, the mag would cycle the next pellet.

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

Did it get sorted with a new mag?

Hi , from your experience, what would you advise as Pcp rifle that is well engineered. I already have a HW100 but was looking for another slightly cheaper rifle to supplement it. Kind regards

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

You can't go far wrong with an early bsa ultra/Scorpion or hornet if you can find one. They have a huge following and lots of aftermarket support. Ofcourse the AA s400 is the benchmark for mid priced guns. Super simple,easy to maintain and loads of support from factory or aftermarket. Quite a few new air guns I like, but would be hw100 money or a bit more tbh. Not alot of the entry level stuff is that impressive compared to older models of the usual stuff tbh. I do like the rti priest and prophet, needs a carbon bottle but a nice simple robust bit of kit if that's the sort of thing you are after. 😉

@martybennett1861

2 жыл бұрын

@@tillysgunstocks yep , i was hoping you might say the air arms s400 /410 as this is another on my shortlist . They can’t have been going for nigh on 20 years if they were no good , thanks 👍

@janlassen6101

2 жыл бұрын

I recommend buying an FX... Swedish quality. Cost a bit more because it's Quality

@ian-sc3fu

2 жыл бұрын

I must admit I have a very early Theoben Rapid 7 MkI in .22 and it really ticks all my boxes. It’s old I know but it is the most accurate air rifle I own. I am also an avid collector of older BSA springers and over the years I must say that my BSA Parker Hale Striker is the one I shoot the most. Very interesting review 👍

@Esoxlucius51

2 жыл бұрын

I'd definitely recommend the Airarms s410f classic, but give the superlight stock a miss, it's made f rom Poplar, which is light but prone to get marked as it's a softwood.had to change my stock to a walnut because of this.

ive been watching your vid . ive got question my barrel as come loose how do i tighten it please, im not used to air rifles . more into fire arms .

@tillysgunstocks

Жыл бұрын

You should be able to tighten it up with the little grub screws in the top of the scope rail itself.😉 They won't need to be done up super tight. Just a gentle nip should be enough.

This 177 51.i have 177 52.i have had no trouble with mine.its as good as new.there is one thing i do not like.the stocks swell at the butt.i had a replacement stock.and it has done the same.its as though the beach is very dry when new,so it swells a little.have noticed on other makes that use minelli stocks in beach have the same problem.

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

I've seen a few that have done the same, of various brands. I will check the next one to see if its the end grain not being sealed. Likely the prepared blanks are very low in moisture Content. Did you notice if your first stock had the deep counter bore on the inside?

Was looking to get a good looking rifle having in mind bsa, weihrauch and walther. Since I want a 6,35 (.25) cal. I had to choose between bsa and walther, for the price of bsa guns it's sad reading the problems in the comment section.

@tillysgunstocks

Жыл бұрын

Hopefully in time all the niggles get worked out. it's still an ultra at the end of the day and has a hell of a heritage behind it. It has serious potential but until it can be stripped and serviced at home,I'll hold off.

My R10 TH seems to be very well designed and finished, compared to the Ultra shown. Had it have had similar faults, I would have demanded my money back. It's a shame that British made stuff is leaving the factory in this state. There's so much foreign competition now and at a very competitive price. . .so beware BSA.

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

I might tear down a few cheap imports going forward, they promise alot but trust me some are way worse than this clx. Atleast with the uk and big known brands you have spares availability and backup should you need it. Some of the Chinese stuff I've seen is frightening. I'm glad the r10 is doing what it should 😉

That is too bad as it is a nice looking rifle. The reviews I've seen from some well known KZreadrs all seemed to think it was the best Ultra yet with the new breech block and R10 trigger system. The groups Andy shot looked good. But they didn't pull the stock during any of those reviews. I wonder if the walnut and commemorative laminate stocks have the same issue. Hope you can get some good answers from BSA. By the way, I am noticing the majority of the PCPs on BSA's website are wearing one piece scope mounts...🤔???

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

Don't forget mate, they are all trying to sell you them. When have you ever seen a bad review of any new gun. The barrel and magazine issues can be sorted and we know bsa can do a decent barrel. The stock issue is 2 fold, the silly counter bore on its inside,and the position of the fixing bolt in the block. It can all be modified,and made to work properly but on a gun in warranty.... ? What's the chances of the first one of these I've had to play with having as many faults as this? But for some balance, ive shot bsa's at the hft world championships and all over the UK in the nationals and my pbs were all shot with a highly modified hornet. It's never a bad idea to run a 1pc mount if the breech layout will allow. The additional rigidity is never a bad thing. The early ultras breech block was about as dimensionally stable as a bit of spaghetti, and a bkl 1pc would stiffen it right up. 😉

@ronchambers7972

2 жыл бұрын

@@tillysgunstocks Thanks for the insight! Good to hear that PCPs and 1PC mounts aren't a mismatch. Maybe help bridge the gap 'tween the HW PCP breeches 🤷🏻‍♂️

@justso1823

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately there all gamo mixed parts.

Unfortunately I find your video a bit of a BSA slagging, but with what should be usefull information, (I do own two in 177 ). 1 The rifle has neglected, if you get them wet take the stock off and dry the rifle and wipe with lightly oiled cloth. 2 look inside the magazine you will find it's aluminium you can see part of probe guide, if you think it's giving a problem remove take apart and remove the corner with a needle file. 3 the stippling on the stock is designed and cut like that it's NOT WORN. 4 who ever fitted the hamster should not mess if they don't know what they are doing they damaged the stock on the outside, then the post of the hamster is transferring all the force (when rifle is resting on the hamster) through the counter bore portion and damaging it their should have been an internal spacer fitted (OD 10mm ID 6mm 8-9 mm long) to transfer the force on to the aluminium block.

@lesliecompton4061

18 күн бұрын

not slagging to my mind he pointed out the actual problems with the gun as he saw it and was right to do so, given he is a craftsman of stocks

I love the look and accuracy,build quality and almost everything else about this gun and all these line of guns to be fair but the only thing stopping me from buying one or more to be honest is the fact they don’t come with a bottle for the money asked. If this gun came with a 480-580 cc bottle I would own a couple of them. I think they are exceptional rifles to be fair. Top notch! But with current cylinder size and shot count in a FAC version…NOPE…nothing I own would have that low of shot count per fill. I love the gun I swear just wish it came with a larger cylinder. Exceptional PCP 9.5/10 to be realistic. Awesome rifle in need of a modern carbon tank💯🤷‍♂️👍❤️

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

Almost certainly there will be an r10 based around the mono block action at some point, maybe even the side lever action version.

@t147han

2 жыл бұрын

what you talking about.its not designed to be fac.its sub 12 ft lb.its light and short used for hunting rats corvids etc.in sheds and woods.Were you do no damage.and at least 60 shots and seconds to refill.

My shooting buddy has one of these and another little niggle came to light when he found pellets finding their way into the bolt race. They were dropping into the action when using a single shot adapter. If the pellet is not pushed fully into the holder it will drop back into the bolt housing and jam the action. We managed to wriggle the offending pellet out but it was a near disaster as he was shooting competition cards. Just another thing to watch out for with this model

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

It might be worth looking at a different design of ss loader tbh. Maybe something more like the old awt s410 style with a much more open loading trough. Might be worth looking into..

Would it not benefit from a dowel and redrill on the stock bolt hole, and a counter sink on the loading side of the mag.

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

Oh yes, it's all relatively easily sorted out. But for a gun In warranty still it's not great.

@iwanvanderhut4159

2 жыл бұрын

@@tillysgunstocks you are right but when it's a fundamental design issue, whether bsa or Minelli, fix it yourself as bsa will just send you another gun and it starts all over again. I had it with a hw100 not a happy man,so I sent it off and got it sorted ,no more issues and it was a great gun and reliable. I know it cost more but gave me peace of mind.

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

@@iwanvanderhut4159 I will just keep calling out all the shoddy stuff I see, until the manufacturers put them right. Save us all a load of stress in the long run. Don't forget im Involved in the design of numerous guns and stocks and poor design/qc is just unacceptable to me. There Will always be a Friday afternoon gun from any brand, we are all human afterall but fundamental flaws shouldn't happen

@iwanvanderhut4159

2 жыл бұрын

@@tillysgunstocks I can believe that, your stocks are something I am saving up for,nice work your doing.

The biggest issue I had with my Ultra was pellets dropping back into the mono block and jamming up the trigger mechanism,it was especially frustrating when out at night as there was no way of working on the gun in the field so I had a couple of sessions cut short which was a wasted journey. Ended up selling it and got a Daystate Huntsman Revere which is a superior rifle in every area.

@tillysgunstocks

Жыл бұрын

I like the huntsman, looks sleek too

@TrooPZR_GunFIZLD

Жыл бұрын

I’m confident to say that the issue you’ve had with pellets dropping back into the action was primarily down to the condition of your magazine. I bought a BSA Ultra CLX recently and it came with a magazine that looked like it had be tampered with. My first outing with the gun resulted with pellets dropping back in the action preventing me from reloading the gun. A few days later I received a brand new magazine in the post, when bombing up the magazine I noticed the pellets sat a lot more securely in their chambers without falling out backwards when conducting a shake test. My only guess is the O Ring fitted to my original magazine wasn’t securing the pellets in their chambers firmly enough. I will admit when I cock this weapon to load a pellet into the breech, I always make shore the gun isn’t elevated with the barrel facing up, from now on I will always cock the gun whilst it’s level or with the barrel facing down. As for the mono-block stock mounting, I purchased D.J Wilson’s CLX fix and I’m now confident this gun will serve its purpose for many years to come without occurring structural damage. My last outing with the gun resulted in 65 accurately fired shots all accounted for at various ranges with no pellets falling back into the action. This weapon once learned and set up properly could shoot the bollocks off a mosquito.

Long live the Ultra se

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

Now I do like the se.. To be fair this has some real potential and if this one was performing as it should have been its a definite improvement over the earlier models.

Is the old ultra a better model

Just get some epoxy resin into that inside counterbore. Fill it up and re drill afterwards.

Are they still a problem please? Looking to buy one now and wonder if the issues have been resolved.

@russtaylor4242

3 ай бұрын

Still potentially a problem, but there is a fix, search youtube for BSA ULTRA CLX FATALY FLAWED FIX. There's a gentleman selling improved parts.

Does anyone know if BSA have commented on this video, or indeed taken steps to eradicate the problems shown ?

@BionicRusty

Жыл бұрын

There’s a comment below from Antony Dala stating that they did. 👍

you think yours had problems mine had all of above plus more which took me ages to figure out and what it turned out to be was a loos barrel, talk about stock controlee, my last bsa thank you.

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

Blimey, that's the first I've heard of a loose barrel. Did it get repaired or replaced?

@dogwhistel127

2 жыл бұрын

@@tillysgunstocks i managed to tighten it my self with the grub screws.

That's not good. Luckily my Son got a good BSA. Had his Scorpion six years from new, with no faults at all. I've borrowed it quite a few times whilst carrying out pest control. Still shoots spot on. The stocks made by minelli.

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

I've still got a few early mmc ultras and hornets. The hornets got to be 15 years old. That had a few issues early on but has been bombproof since. I'm far from anti bsa,but this particular gun is very poor

@t147han

2 жыл бұрын

@@tillysgunstocks this rifle has been abused.i have 177 52 this is 177 51.mine is as new.and good groupes .ive fired through it over 4000 pellets.and i take care of it.as for the magazine.i think they may have been loading it with dirty hands out in the weather.

Has anybody notified or told BSA about this gun, I have seen quiet a few of these guns and the owners had nothing but good things to say about them, this one seems to have been messed about with?

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

It is hand now with the dealer it was purchased from and going through the motions. All the anti tampers are untouched and it's not been apart other than stock off as per the video. The single post hamster setup although it has dented the outside of the stock, hasn't interfered with the factory stock mounting point.thats as it left factory

@24pcox

2 жыл бұрын

The hamster fitting is a right botch, Stock damaged on The outside and fixing hole wood damaged because any force put on the hamster is transferred to this point, if a spacer had been fitted the it would have been ok.

I want to buy parts for this PCp BSA Ultra, do you know where to buy it, or do you have one? Thanks

@tillysgunstocks

Жыл бұрын

One thing I will say, in favour of BSA. They do (in the uk atleast) have a good supply of spare parts and service items for most of their guns. Often you can get repair parts from the factory directly, or chambers spares, or knibbs rifle spares. Google will be your friend 😉

I have an ultra clx. It was returned to BSA as it continually doubled load, mainly due the fact that if would not consistently cock. Initially I used to turn it upside down and give it a tap and it seemed to sort it out. My actions were consistent with the trigger mechanism being fouled by shards of pellets: the BSA paperwork just said “pellets blocking the trigger mechanism”. Whilst I accept that, the strange thing is, it occurred when the gun was new and to be absolutely honest, I am very disappointed with this gun. Issue re consistent accuracy: which this review partially explains, chrono tests giving quite wide variance of pellet velocity make me question whether this gun should have been released. One final thing, my gun was returned from BSA with a good amount of cosmetic damage suggesting that whoever had serviced it under warranty was not very competent. My first and last BSA.

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

I'm gutted to hear that. It has some Real potential for sure but so many people have said they have had issues its a real shame.

@michaeldunn9574

Жыл бұрын

Exactly the same experience for me.

Hi, wheres the hammer and the reg adjustment on the clx

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

No reg on the ultra clx models, and the hammer is enclosed behind the safety mech on the rear of the action.

It's a strange mistake, the machine either picked up the wrong tool in the carousel (wrong program) or the wrong tool was put in that position, they must know this mistake happened because it would have needed to be put right.

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

I'm so curious to know, the other option ofcourse is they havnt realised ,and there's loads out there waiting to pull apart 😬

Won't be getting one of those then, 😁👍

Is BSA Ultra CLX better than AA S400F Classic?

@mcfcok3773

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't say so.

Couldn't you epoxy a washer in there to beef it up?

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

I could have modified it and strengthened it up no real bother, but on a gun in warranty it's not down to us to sort it eh. Seems there's a good few out there like this one too 😳

@loki1066

2 жыл бұрын

@@tillysgunstocks hell no.

Well this is an eye opener. I’m just about to tap out on an RM8 that I bought new in December but in all that time I’ve only had it for 2 weeks. The first had a reg fault and then a bottle fault so this was replaced for another. The second one had the bolt jam and when returned, it was noticed that the barrel was actually loose. It rattled! Measured 2mm of lateral play. That was a month ago and no idea what’s happening now. So my plan was to get a refund and probably buy a CLX. Don’t think I’ll be doing that, now. Not enjoying this pcp malarkey.

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

The clx does have some potential for sure. If you have a decent local rfd I'd go have a look and check through the stocks to make sure they don't have that deep counter bore on the inside. I've seen a good few since this video was posted that don't and some that do. The mag issue I can kinda overlook that,as its easy to have it swapped out for a good one. The gauge cover needs an additional o ring to stop it falling off, and definitely some additional support of the cylinder in the stock. But there's not alot the size of an ultra, now you know what to look for, it should mean you can identify any issues before they get too bad. Or look out for a suitable priced secondhand one and send it straight to one of the tuners to have it gone over with a fine tooth comb. I've no doubts that it has potential,just not the one I had here.

@BionicRusty

2 жыл бұрын

@@tillysgunstocks That’s some good advice. Thank you, bud. I do kick myself as I missed out on a second hand CLX last year. It could only have been a few months old and was a giveaway price. Even if there was an issue, anything can be fixed, right. Thanks again. Keep up the good work. 👍

Can they be tuned , ie reg , hammer.

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

Currently a couple of gunsmiths won't touch them. The boys at the ratworks are working on some upgrades and regulator work,but i don't know how soon they will have a 'tune' ready. I imagine once the boys have fettled them,that they will be a cracking little gun

@leenorris2862

2 жыл бұрын

Ya still waiting for ratworks. I love my , no problems at all and so impressed with my 30-50 yards grouping. Very few flyers

Why a counter bore on the inside? No stud, so surely that's not required.

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly that, someone's got something wrong somewhere. A fresh barrel and magazine would likely sort the accuracy issues,but what's the chances this stock is a one off...

@hetrodoxly1203

2 жыл бұрын

​@@tillysgunstocks It's a strange mistake, the machine either picked up the wrong tool in the carousel (wrong program) or the wrong tool was put in that position, they must know this mistake happened because it would have needed to be put right.

@24pcox

2 жыл бұрын

To fit and locate a spacer so any force from an aftermarket hamster is tranfered to the aluminium block.

Basically the clx is a £600 pound mistake . Horrible to hear but true . My first bsa . Obviously my last . Once ratworks start offering tuning then it will be fine but then it's a £900/950 purchase.

@alanmurray6632

2 жыл бұрын

The thing that gets me is 160 years they've been at this and this poorly designed I'll thought out shambles is what they come out with . I adjusted the first stage to a shorter throw put it back in the stock then tested it . The gun would fire by cooking it and the safety wouldn't work . It's not fit for purpose.

@arthurmow262

2 жыл бұрын

@@alanmurray6632 This is not the only gun where this happens. Even Weihrauch suggest not altering the trigger for this reason. Other guns have managed to fire when engaging the safety (again when the trigger is adjusted, usually badly). This isn't a unique problem to BSA, though again most manufacturers recommend against altering the trigger from factory settings.

This rifle was on my short list of one , now its not. I am back to Air Arms and will stay with my S400

@tillysgunstocks

Жыл бұрын

If you are after something tiny like the ultra, you should seriously consider the older se versions. Despite everyone thinking I'm a BSA hater(I'm not) I still have a couple of MMC versions and an se. Pretty much bombproof and a huge amount of aftermarket parts available

@patthewoodboy

Жыл бұрын

@@tillysgunstocks thanks for the reply. I will stick with my S400 for now

@patthewoodboy

2 ай бұрын

@@tillysgunstocks Bought a Daystate Huntsman revere ... superb. Got bequeathed an R12CLX pro on saturday , booked it in for a full tune as it owes me nothing

Perhaps he’s using a bigger pellet try a smaller .I’ve had 3 bsa r10s my 1 and 2 never had a good one yet got rid had a lot of problems with flyers I thoughtvit was magazine .I wouldn’t touch another r10 or any precharghed they makevgrossly overpriced .the new pro 12 clx at nearl 1300 pounds is a ugly gun the black check peace on the walnut looks abortion everyone is shoving them Andy’s Airguns cannot say anything wrong about it only praise.watched his review shot like a treat .they don’t just pick a gun off peg and send it him .they are tested for everything he used bsa own brand pellets got pellet in pellet keep up the good work yours in sport des

You could have packed the inside of the hole with washers !

BSA rifles before gamo made BSA and there rifles were good my mate had a BSA lightening and it was very good but I got a BSA gamo lightening and was very poor it kicked like a donkey the Finnish was poor and the worsed, bit the trigger was awefull just got heavy and more heavy never got lighter it was nothing like bsa the real bsa never bought BSA ever had it 4 days and it when and got a HW, 77

Mine was shit sold it

Fill the oversized hole with epoxy and drill it out to size. It was only today I was complimenting the BSA stocks. The quality of that gun is disgraceful.

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

I could repair that easily,but as it's not my gun and still in warranty it needs sorting officially

If someone send me a BSA Ultra for free. Ill return it the same day. No Thanks.

TBO BSA have always been a bit shit. Compare an Airsporter to Weirauch. There is no comparison

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

The hornets and early ultras were brilliant in their day. Infact I'd put a freshly serviced hornet up against most modern stuff and it'd still be great. Bit it's the inconsistency that gets me down. Some are fine yet some are dreadful.

As others have indicated an excellent critique and all the faults carefully illustrated. It has been a big turn off for me.

Perhaps super glue and baking soda to fix the stock? OK - perhaps not.

no played for multi shot why would I do that if I wanted single shot then I'd get one

Not too sure what all the bruhaha was about the hole in the stock 5 mins job sorted these are mass produced not hand made you have to expect issues . I have issues with PCP guns think you should all use springers but i live with it people want everything absolutely perfect that is NOT the world we live in today

My 22 is a tack driver The wife has the 177 complete crap will not group at all

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

Have you had chance to rule out any magazine issues first on the .177?

@davidcarter7310

2 жыл бұрын

Will check the mag in the morning thanks!.

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidcarter7310 it will be awkward but it's worth trying to single load a few pellets by hand to rule it out

@davidcarter7310

2 жыл бұрын

@@tillysgunstocks will give it a try thanks

@davidcarter7310

2 жыл бұрын

@@tillysgunstocks mag is good no led shavings ! but i think it might be a valve prob as it will drop suddenly a half inch range 20 yards loaded direct to the barrel with tweezers not to bad thanks for your help

Never heard a more negative assessment on any gun, has he got out of bed on the wrong side?, or has somebody licked the cream off his bun. Get the feeling he has some sort of grudge against BSA.

Terrible Q.C. & Flawed design. When looking at BSA's catalogue I thought the Ultra seemed pointless and the 3 inch longer Scorpion was a better bet. Never owned one but this just makes me not wish to ever go to BSA. Weihrauch for me and I did enjoy my Daystate Huntsmans too.

Disappointed to see this.

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly so was I. I was hoping for something much better. Shame really.

Wow - thanks - not for me thank you.

How have the mighty fallen. Shaving off production costs, mediocre engineering design and lack of common sense causes all these problems.

What a problematic pcp. Would never buy it.

@tillysgunstocks

2 жыл бұрын

This one's not a great example eh..

Boring, your one of these guys that will read all the small print on a packet of crisp no doubt, and yes im a shooter too, owning a bsa R10 se