Quick comment, the “MK” in the designation of the cannons doesn’t stand for “Mark.” It’s an abbreviation for “Maschinekanone”, the German word for automatic cannon.

My relative, an Austrian was the 3rd to 5th top ace of the Luftwaffe, Walter Nowatny. After more than 250 victories on the Eastern Front he was transferred back to Germany to fly the Me262. He died in 1944 at age 23 in a Me 262 while returning from a bomber attack. It was reported that he lost one engine and was attacked while trying to land by P-47s or P-51s which was the American tactic. Because of acute shortages of replacement parts most 262s were lost because of engine failure and secondary shot down while trying to land. The awful bomber losses were paid back by crippling the interceptors in their most vulnerable areas. A side note was his/my cousin flew 30 missions in B17s and survived the war.

@georgealaska559

7 ай бұрын

Your story only exemplifies the stupidity of war. Talented young men and women cut down in their prime. What a waste of life.

@Idahoguy10157

7 ай бұрын

The Me 262 and all of the German wonder weapons were all too little too late

@fload46d

7 ай бұрын

Very cool story. It is very likely that second or third cousins and maybe first cousins fought each other in Europe. My uncle flew B24s at the end of the war but against Japan. He was just about to fly to Japan for a mission when the war ended. If he had been sent to Europe earlier, he might have been killing relatives.

@baggieknight8411

7 ай бұрын

And I bet that like 99% of Luftwaffe pilots he NEVER took a dishonorable kill by shooting at a plane that was doomed or a Airman that had bailed out and was parachuting

@baggieknight8411

7 ай бұрын

​@@Idahoguy10157everything was a little to late to win cause no one had the balls to kill that piece of sh¡t Adolf Hitler!!!!! He was the soul of demise of the third Reich

Nothing finer than German engineering. The most amazing innovations of the 20th century came from Germany. engines, automobiles, aircraft and numerous others.

@dr.zeicezeice240

2 ай бұрын

Jetzt können sich andere mal beweisen😂

Me262 is a beautiful aircraft even in today's standards. Kudos to German engineers.

@jeffk464

7 ай бұрын

Swept wings and jet engines slung under the wings, it looks pretty modern. The sweep angle looks to be about the same as modern commercial planes.

@mboss13b

7 ай бұрын

It LOOKS like the "bad guy plane". It's like a black 1969 Dodge Charger, everybody knows which wallet is his.

@ordinaryman1904

7 ай бұрын

There’s a nice example on display at the Smithsonian Air and Space museum in DC.

@stephencurry8552

7 ай бұрын

kaideechu: Oh my yes it could fly for many minutes. And was so reliable. Reminds me of a modern BMW.

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

​@@stephencurry8552Spare us your hate speech and ignorant misinformation. The Jumo 109-004B Orkan engines exceeded the RLMs 100 hours PFTR requirements for adoption into Luftwaffe service. According to vehicle registration statistics BMWs are among the longest lasting cars in the world.

The National Museum of the U.S. Air Force at Wright-Patterson AFB has a pristine 262, as a juvenile I used to walk around looking at it for an accumulation of Hours. They also have a very rare water cooled In-line engine FW 190, Germans knew how to build aircraft if left alone.

@Joebobinator

7 ай бұрын

The ME 262 Project built five reproductions (with modern engines that aren't a deathwish) at Paine Field a little north of Seattle. My dad used to take my brother and I to see the process since my mom worked near there, they were always very nice and let us walk around their shop, it was extremely cool. I remember being like 8 and saved up $10 of my allowance money to donate to them, I was so proud to help lol. Their first one flew in 2002 and they finished the project in 2012, all five went elsewhere but the Flying Heritage and Combat Armor Museum on the same airfield recently reopened and has a restored me262 with original engines. That whole museum is awesome, a lot of their collection is flyable and they do airshow events in the summer. It feels good to see pristine museum pieces with drip pans underneath to catch the fluids that seep out because they actually fly the things instead of being forever relegated to stationary art.

@jacksavage7808

7 ай бұрын

Hitler did not consider jet aircraft important until it was too late.

@Britcarjunkie

7 ай бұрын

Planes of Fame, in Chino, Calif., also has one...think they also have a 163 Komet.

@rescue270

7 ай бұрын

I've read that an original 262 is being restored to flying condition. It will fly with original Junkers Jumo 004 engines, overhauled with custom-built parts made using modern materials and technology.

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

​@@JoebobinatorNot reproductions, the are real Messerschmitt Me-262 designated C models, they are 100% genuine builr under license from Messerschmitt and issued consecutive serial numbers. Ironic that you should mention that being the GE J85 were designed with no Nickel alloys and had a much shorter PFTR.

And it was seriously good looking too. So stylish.

@ThePandoraGuy

7 ай бұрын

Seen one in the Deutsche Museum in Munich. Beautiful indeed.

@garcia83viz

7 ай бұрын

Most beautiful aircraft ever, imo. ( Xf-11 and Tu-114 second and third) . You gotta think, they knew exactly the psychological effect it would have... Looking like a sky-shark. It couldn't have been easy to machine such beautiful curves outta sheet metal , 80 years ago.

@MrBestshot33

7 ай бұрын

Unless you were on the receiving end of those 30mm.....

@paktahn

7 ай бұрын

@@MrBestshot33 yeah the german 30mm was no joke at all each high explosive round had the equivalent of a standard hand grenades explosives in them with a delayed fuse so that it would pass through the skin of the aircraft and detonate inside the aircraft the united states tested them after the war was over on old aircraft at a firing range and just 1 30mm shell could cleave the fuselage of most targets the tried it on in half they probably wouldnt do near as much damage to engines as armor piercing rounds but an aircraft cant stay in the air if its missing its wings and/or tail

@MichealAnthonyGennaro

7 ай бұрын

One of the most beautiful (sexy) Military aircraft that ever flew. Smoke and sleek. It looks fast just sitting on the ramp. Like the F86 and English Electric.

I heard no mention of the airplane’s Achilles heels. Slow to accelerate, prone to compressor stalls, and a ridiculously short engine life span of about 25 hours due to the lack of advanced metallurgy and production methods available for it’s production. I believe this was not because of the technology not having been developed, rather it was more a matter of getting it into the air with readily available assets.

@aurora1024

7 ай бұрын

And with the compressor stall tendency, I'd heard it wasn't particularly maneuverable unless you wanted an engine out.

@proteusnz99

7 ай бұрын

Agreed, the lack of crucial alloying elements gave the turbine a short working life. The wing sweep was driven by centre of gravity considerations, the drag reduction was just a happy bonus. Manoeuvrability at speed wasn’t that wonderful, but suitable for hit-and-zoom tactics (like U.S. in Pacific to counter Japanese). Very vulnerable during takeoff / landing as the engines didn’t respond well to fast throttle movements. Problem was trying to develop engine during combat, consider early B-29 operations.

@rob5944

7 ай бұрын

​@@proteusnz99according to Eric 'winkle' Brown, chief RN test pilot, compressibility was beginning to be understood. The Germans realised that the the wing sweep could also help dissipate air resistance down the leading edges.

@proteusnz99

7 ай бұрын

@@rob5944 yes, Brown rated the Me-262 as a better fighter than the Gloster Meteor, though subject to similar snaking problems. I was interested that he thought the He-162 might have been the best gun platform of the first generation jets, though hardly suitable for inexperienced pilots. Along with entering new areas of aerodynamics, the development cycles for these much more complex machines/engines was poorly understood, for example only one or two prototypes, so any accident could stall testing for months, or where the Hunter F1/Swift F1, F-84B/C/D were development batches to work the bugs out.

@rob5944

7 ай бұрын

@@proteusnz99 well it was all brand new technology, in terms of jet propulsion, aerodynamics, tactics, in fact almost everything. What has always impressed me is how Germany could still make astounding progress, in under tremendous pressure. She was more than a match on the continent for any two of the three major Allies in my opinion.

Imagine how it sounded on the ground when 1500 planes went over. Even at altitude it had to be something to see/hear

@bill9540

6 ай бұрын

Yes, stunning!

One unrecognized problem with the ME262 was mentioned to me by an American pilot who transitioned from prop to jet aircraft. The German pilots were hindered by the lack of time to break habits learned in prop planes that created lift over their own wings, whereas jets don't. Had they been able to totally get accustomed to their craft, and explore its advantages, they would have been even more lethal in dogfights.

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

With a 100 mph speed advantage Allied fighters were completely outclassed by the Me-262.

@danielnowotny

7 ай бұрын

You are right. In fact the tactics used by jets were the same used with prop planes. The kette formations with wingman and rear scort proved to be a mistake on jets

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

@@danielnowotny Then why was the Me-262 so successful in combat and Allied jets were such a complete failure???

@danielnowotny

7 ай бұрын

@@WilhelmKarsten there were no allied jets in combat in WWII (only a handfull of Meteors parked at Manston), late in the war germans realized their mistake and designed tactics later used by americans in Korea

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

@@danielnowotny But during the Korean War it was jet vs. jet aerial combat.. As you just pointed out... there was no jet vs. jet fighting during WW2. Only Germany had effective jet fighters in operational service.

That is a good breakdown, very easy to digest and understand!

Always good viewing. Thanks

For me, prettiest aircraft ever.

I saw the flying replica a few weeks ago at RAF Coningsby , even though a modern replica with modern engines etc' it still looked menacing .

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

That's not a replica, it's a genuine Me-262 "C" built under license from Messerschmitt.

@icemanstg

7 ай бұрын

@@WilhelmKarsten - exactly - just with modern, much smaller but stronger engines. Great piece !

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

@@icemanstg The GE J85 was designed by Gerhard Neumann and his team of Jumo engineers brought over by Operation Paperclip... Ironically the J85 originally designed for missiles only had designed life of just 2 hours!

@fritzwrangle-clouder6033

4 ай бұрын

@@WilhelmKarsten The Me 262 replicas are solely the product of the Texas Airplane Factory and Classic Fighter Industries and have nothing to do with DASA. CFI's right to build was bestowed by NAS in return for the restoration of Vera (which is now, according to you no longer an original Me 262). The only connections with anything Messerschmitt is that one of the replicas was bought by the Messerschmitt Foundation which is a privately owned historical preservation society which then gave its informal blessing to the use of the 'C' suffix and the use of consecutive serial numbers which have no meaning other than as serial numbers issued by TAF for the airframes that they produce. As you know Sandyboy EADS is not Messerschmitt. DASA was formed when Daimler-Benz took over MBB (itself a product of Bolkow's acquisition of Messerschmitt). DASA was later absorbed into EADS a joint French, Spanish and German venture. Messerschmitt is a legacy company of the international concern EADS as de Havilland is a legacy company of BAE Systems, the British company which is Europe's biggest defence contractor. Obviously CFI couldn't use original or even replicas of Ju 004 engines due to the appalling fragility and short life of the design, so instead they used the GE CJ610 which presented a problem that the considerably lower weight of the GE engines would significantly displace the CofG and require changes to the wings but instead they put the GE engine in the heavy casings of Ju 004 engine to achieve the require weight distribution. How ironic.

@fritzwrangle-clouder6033

4 ай бұрын

@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, as you know the team that Gerhard Neumann worked with at GE were Americans not nazis.

AH was a fool when it comes to Me2672. Everyone told him that this airplane was designed and meant to be a fighter not a bomber. It could have been a major change in many battles, probably not changing the outcome of the war a la long, due to lack of german production capacities, but who knows. Anyway another masterpiece of german engineers.

@WilhelmKarsten

2 ай бұрын

That story unfortunately is a false urban myth, the delays in production were due to shortages of Nickel nothing to do with Hitler, he was actually 100% right, all modern jet fighters are multi-role Interceptor-Attack aircraft with bombing capabilities.

@theoronig6440

Күн бұрын

Exakt. Hitler diskutierte mit Milch heftig und Milch sagte: Herr Hitler das sieht doch jedes Kind das das ein Jäger ist. Das war 1941 ! Letztendlich wurde der Kampf gegen den Faschismus früher beendet.

An advanced ‘aerial flow’ engine? Do you mean axial flow?

The Me-262 was streamlined and had swept-back wings, hence its high rate of speed, 150 mph faster than the P51 propellor fighters. A marvel of German engineering for its time. 🛬

@theoronig6440

Күн бұрын

Da kommt man mit Propeller nicht hin. Aber das Abfangen bei der Landung war eine erfolgreiche US Taktik und sehr effizient.

0: 44 sweep wing technology does not give an advantage in maneuverability, the opposite in fact. the Germans knew of the advantage of swept wing when it came to high speed flight, but that was not the reason it was chosen in the me-262, it was utilised to move the centre of gravity because of the engine's position. In actual fact, the 262 was not more maneuverable than the P-51, not even close, it used its 100mph higher speed and exceptional climb rate to evade the P-51, the 262 never engaged in dog fighting allied fighters, or even fast fighter bombers like the Mosquito, it used hit and run tactics to fight, which it did very very well, its main vulnerability was lack of engine lifetime, slow spool up of the engines, the throttles had to be moved very slowly or the engine would flame out and in some cases catch fire, and being attacked in the landing approached

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

That is a completely false myth based on a single highly dubious source and contradicts all the historical evidence. Please stop posting lies and ignorant misinformation about a topic that you are clearly not qualified to discuss intelligently

Where would we be without german engineers of that time? Would we have rockets and satellites in orbit today? Would anyone had been walking on the moon? At what stage of development would be commercial jet driven airplanes?

@HumptyDumpty01

27 күн бұрын

Yes

@tombrunner8181

7 күн бұрын

Why was Germany destroyed before the 1st World War? All inventions, all medical innovations benefited the world. Not to mention the music.

@theoronig6440

Күн бұрын

Wäre auch von den USA alleine erreicht worden. Sicher war von Brauns Vorarbeit eine gute Basis für die UDSSR + USA aber dann haben sie unabhängig voneinander die Raumfahrt ermöglicht.

If the Me 262 dropped your jaw then check out the Horton 229 flying wing 😍

@wilburfinnigan2142

7 ай бұрын

Only one ever flew once and crashed and killed the pilot !!! A failure !!!

@FiveCentsPlease

6 ай бұрын

@@wilburfinnigan2142 Not counting the V1 glider that flew. The second prototype V2 flew under jet power, but only for about two hours total testing time before the fatal accident that killed Ziller. This was 18-Feb-1945 and the V3 third example was only 50% complete when Patton's forces captured the Gotha workshop in mid-April. The US let the RAF examine the V3 with some discussion of getting it in the air, but nothing came of that. That is the short history of the 229, certainly not what that NatGEO TV show implied.

Imagine being sent up in a 262 that had 24 hrs on the engines.....wouldn't be a good day.

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

No different from any Allied piston engine plane..

@opoxious1592

7 ай бұрын

@@WilhelmKarsten exactly

@Cugier-sf2vo

2 ай бұрын

Niemand fliegt 24 Stunden am Stück in einen Jäger in der damaligen Zeit Triebwerke waren so gebaut das man sie schnell wechseln konnte -ebend stand der damaligen Technik. Ich glaube auch nicht das die heutigen Hightech Flugzeuge 2 Stunden in der Luft bleiben können ohne umfangreiche Wartung

@jimandersen3003

2 ай бұрын

@@WilhelmKarsten Go back to sleep!

@WilhelmKarsten

2 ай бұрын

@@jimandersen3003 Are you not familiar with WW2 era military aircraft engines???

The ME-262 the official first operational jet fighter. However, the plane was not truly ready for combat yet. The Americans, British and Russians suffered the same and more issues. One of the biggest issues faced by the jets (combat ready or not) was the fact there was not an instantaneous reaction from the engines when the pilot adjusted the speed. In terms of the 262 though the biggest issue was pilots did not have time to train on this brand new technology that not one as of yet had real experience with. Plus Hitler wanted the 262 to be a bomber

@tristanemery8748

7 ай бұрын

I will never understand that ridiculous doctrine Hitler enforced which meant that every aircraft in the Luftwaffe's arsenal was capable of bombing - had this not been a prerequisite of every German fighter aircraft they might have seen more success with less conventional designs, or at the least less fighters wasted on roles that they didn't excel at.

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

You have obviously never flown a jet aircraft... All jets including modern ones with digital fuel controls are incredibly sluggish and slow to accelerate from flight idle with poor throttle response. No jet fighter pilot would ever fly in a combat zone with less than 85% of military power.

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

​​@@tristanemery8748You don't understand a lot of things about military aircraft if that's your case. Hitler has been absolutely proven correct by history.. Modern jet fighters are multi-role Interceptor-Attack aircraft with bombing capabilities. The Messerschmitt Me-262 was no different from propeller driven fighters like the P-51 Mustang which also had hard points and could carry a similar bomb load, the Mustang also had a dedicated bomber variant *the A-36*

@tristanemery8748

7 ай бұрын

@@WilhelmKarsten my point was more that they were wasted in those roles, as they couldn't fill them to the best of their abilities. It was less of an issue with aircraft specifically designed for multi-role use like the mosquito, with it being rare for any aircraft of the day to be truly effective at multiple roles. I do agree with the statement that it's a good idea for aircraft to be able to fill more than just one role, though mainly with modern aircraft, which are much more expensive to produce than their 40s counterparts.

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

@@tristanemery8748 It's based on a rather infantile myth, a false narrative that has no historical significance or value. It's simply intended as an insult. No historian or military scholar gives such things any credit, as I said it pure nonsense. Most fighters then, as now also operate in the bomber role, fighters are by definition multi-role aircraft.

Aguante!!! La Luftwaffe!!! saludos desde Argentina!!!

Thank you again Dark Skies

Amazing plane for it's time.....Thanks Shoe🇺🇸

@martinbrode7131

4 ай бұрын

For it's time.... it was a miracle.

The most revolutionary aircraft in history since the Wright Flyer, it rendered absolutely everything that came before it completely obsolete.

The Me262 is one of my favorite aircraft, however despite (or because of) how advanced it was it had numerous teething troubles that simply could not be worked out with the limited time and resources at Germany's disposal. And from what I've read North American was actually working on a swept wing version of what became the F-86 even before German data became available

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

The F-86's swept wing was designed by German engineer Edgar Schmud and a team of engineers from Messerschmitt.

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

The Messerschmitt Me-262 is without question the most successful jet aircraft design of WW2, the Allies had absolutely nothing comparable to the Me-262

@josephlannert969

7 ай бұрын

@@WilhelmKarsten the Lockheed P-80 was in service in Europe the last few weeks of the war and absolutely blew the Me-262 out of the water without German data. Besides, Republic built a "hot rod" P-47, the P-47M, to counter it and other jets and it seemed to do the trick

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

@@josephlannert969 It doesn't sound like you know very much about the P-80A or the P-47M? Don't confuse the F-80C with the P-80A in service during WW2, the A was completely outclassed by the Me-262. Four P-80s were sent to Europe 2 crashed before reaching Italy where the remaining two never flew on a operational combat sortie before all P-80s were grounded after a series of crashes and fatal accidents. The 2 P-80s spent the entire remainder of the war grounded with crash investigations and technical problems. The "mighty"P-47M is an American unicorn plane, in operational service it was an unmitigated disaster that never lived up to Republic's fantastic performance claims. Like the P-51H the Simmons boost regulator was an epic failure and all of the special 'M' engines were destroyed when WEP was used causing several fatal accidents before the boost pressure regulator was ordered to be removed and all remaining M planes converted in the field to P-47D engines. In USAAF service the M was only about 10 mph faster than the standard D model. Any questions?

@martinkasper197

7 ай бұрын

Look at the F-86 A and the MIG 15. They are not twins, but cousins..🤔 Maybe of the German plans and engineers in the US and Russia after the war?

Hermann Goering's greatest contribution to mankind was cutting funding for the ME-262 advancement.

Another worthwhile thing to note is how fragile those early Jumo and Junkers jet engines were. You could not slam the throttle, or the engines would burst into flames. You needed to gradually increase the throttle. In addition, one well-placed bullet could also make the engines burst into flames. That said, look at how finicky those early rockets were, but how how devastating they could be when they DID work. Of course, when they didn't work, they were equally as devastating to the launch site. That proves the age-old motto, "War is the mother of invention."

@brentboswell1294

7 ай бұрын

Before FADEC, you couldn't just jam the throttles forward on many civil jet engines, either. If you did, you could exceed temperatures in sections of the engines. You had to advance the throttles while watching the temperatures. FADEC has made modern engine control much easier.

@ThatBaritoneGuitarGuy

7 ай бұрын

So, around the 60s?

@brentboswell1294

7 ай бұрын

@@ThatBaritoneGuitarGuy FADEC (full authority digital engine controls) didn't start in civil aircraft until the 1980's. Military aircraft probably had it earlier...

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

Jumo is the engine division of Junkers... same company. All WW2 jet engines have manual controlled fuel flow, but the Me-262 was the first to have an automatic variable exhaust nozzle and later engines had throttle dampers to assist the pilot in preventing movement that was too fast. All jet engines are slow to accelerate from idle and have poor throttle response, even modern engines with FADEC. Because jet engines operate at higher continuous power settings pilots don't retard the throttles or lean the fuel mixture in cruising like they would with a piston engine.

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

​@@brentboswell1294YES, FADEC makes it easier... but not faster. Spool-up is still slow and throttle response is intentionally delayed to prevent over-fueling damage.

There is a air worthy example in existence. Haven't seen it in person but I hope to one day.

@alparker8661

7 ай бұрын

Maybe one at the Chino Planes of Fame, I remember seeing a photo years ago. It probably is a static display.

@FiveCentsPlease

6 ай бұрын

@@alparker8661 The Planes of Fame Me-262 was bought by Paul Allen's museum as a candidate for airworthy restoration. It was also the former Howard Huges Me-262. Jeremy Moore and his group at JME Aviation in the UK were selected to restore the airframe. (JME had previously rebuilt Paul Allen's beautiful Fw-190A.) The Jumo engines were rebuilt at Aero Turbine in California, using at least seven original cores and lots a new manufacture. Aero Turbine ran them until they broke, then fixed the problem and kept going over 10 years. Allen's Me-262 is not quite ready for flight since Allen passed away just before taxi trails began. There's still work to do under the new owners.

@CaptHollister

4 ай бұрын

There are a few. They are modern reproductions, or if you prefer "continuation" models, powered by modern engines nestled inside reproduction nacelles. No airworthy originals exist or ever will exist because the original engines are too short-lived and unreliable.

For the Germans too late and too little. A year earlier and years earlier this would have made a big difference .

The first 4 prototypes didn't have tricycle landing gear which made takeoffs difficult.

This generation fought for our freedoms, something I think many have taken for granted. We all have to wake up and see our new enemy, is amongst us and wants us subservient and weak. They are our governments and our entertainment, but no less dangerous.

Having worked on the only two remaining fully functional Jumo 004 engines left in the world, I can say: Their revolutionary performance was heavily outweighed by their chronic lack of reliability. They were designed to run for about 25 hours and then be replaced and most never made it to 5 hours either due to being shot down, or, more likely, falling out of the sky of their own accord. Trying to rebuild/overhaul these finicky beasts even with today's modern technology and materials does not solve for the faults in their design. That being said, the Me262 was definitely a force to be reckoned with... at least until the allies figured out how to beat them.

@unwnme

7 ай бұрын

But they didn't figure out how to beat them. They just attacked them while they were trying to land. That is not figuring out the Me 262 as a fighter plane. Would you consider the Germans attacking any American fighter while it was trying to land, being that they figured out the American fighter? I'm not coming back to see what you answer since youtube doesn't like me and gives me zero notifications.

@leonehlers4574

7 ай бұрын

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@AjitMD

7 ай бұрын

Why such short engine life? What components would fail? Turbine blades? Combustor? Bearings? Compressor? Poor quality control?

@brianwilliams1588

7 ай бұрын

@AjitMD A little bit of all those things, but at the end of the day, they just didn't have high enough quality materials. The combustion chambers basically cooked themselves, poor quality bearings, oil pumps were notoriously prone to failure (that was one of our big hurdles). Believe it or not, the two stroke starter engines were the most reliable part of the whole thing. If they had another year or two to develop the materials, ww2 would have been a much different outcome. They also had issues with deliberate sabotage by the forced Jewish laborers, PoWs, and other such prisoners.

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

​@@AjitMDIt's all a false myth based on misinformation and intended as a deliberate insult. The Jumo 109-004A Orkan engines built with Krupp P-198 Chromadur alloy NEVER saw production or operational service. The 109-004B was redesigned specifically for P-198. These mass production engines easily passed the RLMs 100 hour PFTR reliability test required for adoption into Luftwaffe service. This is the same 100 hour test required for the RAF and USAAF

Don't you hate it when the bad guys have the good looking gadgets.

@gratefulguy4130

7 ай бұрын

Wait till you find out what was really going on in WWII..

@Frankie5Angels150

7 ай бұрын

The P-51 and Spitfire just entered the chat room and laughed.

Minimal casualties is a highly personal viewpoint

"MK" for the germans is "Maschinenkanone" wich means Autocanon, not "Mark"

One of my favorite planes. Favorite? Bf-109G4-6

@klaus-peterborn1370

Ай бұрын

Close, my is the F4.

262’s killed a lot of bombers with minimal casualties? Your inaccuracies know no bounds

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

The Messerschmitt Me-262 was highly effective in combat, the Allies had absolutely nothing comparable to the German jets.

@fritzwrangle-clouder6033

4 ай бұрын

@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, as you know the Me 262 was very ineffective, not least because of its crappy engines. Of 1400 Me 262s built, your nazi heroes struggled to get more than thirty in the air at one time and many those promptly fell out of it again or were shot out of it by Allied fighters. The Allies certainly had nothing to comparable to the crappiness of the German jets, and as you know, whereas the P80, Meteor and Vampire had long service careers with many air forces, the Me 262 lasted barely seven years and only served with two are forces, one of which didn't want it.

@jimandersen3003

2 ай бұрын

Yep. My studies say a lot of ME 262s died on take off and landing not by being attacked. Ahead of their time but very finicky and problematic and in real world did not see much action.

@WilhelmKarsten

2 ай бұрын

@@jimandersen3003 Sorry Jimbo, 26 Luftwaffe 262 pilots scored Ace or higher shooting down over 550 Allied aircraft... Kurt Welter remains the highest scoring jet Ace in history. Allied jet aircraft only killed Allied pilots during WW2.

Finally the 262 gets the appreciation it deserves! Thanks aus Deutschland

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This video is lttered with inaccuracies. Swept wings aren't about maneuverability or agility. They are about stability and durability at speed. The swept wing delays the shock wave traveling down the wing and preventing the wings from being torn off the closer the plane got to the sonic barrier. The 262 was not more agile than its piston counterparts, but it was faster. The 262 used a hit and run tactic to great effect, which is exactly the same tactic used by F4 pilots later against the more agile Migs.

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

Actually swept wings allow jets to turn at higher speeds than would be possible for straight wing aircraft because straight wings create more drag in a turn, like the way propellers lose thrust in a turn... Straight wings = low performance Swept wings = High performance

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

Actually the Messerschmitt Me-262 could turn and maneuver at speeds that Allied straight wing aircraft could not achieve in straight and level flight. Please remember that "turn radius" is completely relative to speed and does measure a planes superiority in a dogfight, speed is a far more critical factor. Any questions?

@fritzwrangle-clouder6033

4 ай бұрын

@@WilhelmKarsten I have question Sandyboy... why do you keep spouting garbage. As you know Sandyboy Eric 'Winkle' Brown stated that the Me 262 was "NO FIGHTER" and that it couldn't be used effectively in dogfight maneuvers. Me 262 pilots were discouraged from carrying out such maneuvers and from engaging allied fighters. From the Smithsonian on their Me 262 exhibit - "Despite its great speed advantage, the Me 262 was not as maneuverable as top-of-the-line piston fighters and it had a tendency to stall due to a tricky compressor. The jet engines burned out quickly and were not that reliable."

The ME- 262 was most vulnerable at take off and landing as stated. But it's major flaw was it's JUMO engines initially. They had a tendency to fail without warning, and the replacement/ maintenance cycle was about 6 hours of running time. This made them very maintenance intensive. Allied photo intelligence was used to identify airfields where ME - 262's were stationed, so P- 51's were used to loiter near such fields, to strike ME- 262's when in take off and landing cycles, where they were most vulnerable to attack. Once again, numbers of P-51 and allied aircraft out ran the technical superiority of a smaller number of ME-262's.

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

The USAAF exhaustively tested the Me-262 during Operation LUSTY and confirmed TBOs averaged 55 hours, EXCELLENT by WW2 standards for Allied high performance piston engines

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

Nevertheless the introduction of jet fighters like the Me-262 rendered all propeller driven fighters obsolete.

@wilburfinnigan2142

7 ай бұрын

@@WilhelmKarsten Wrong they were lucky to get 5 hours , some new engines failed before the plane took off !!

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

@@wilburfinnigan2142 *No different from Allied piston engines... just much higher performance*

@fritzwrangle-clouder6033

4 ай бұрын

@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, as you know 55 hours is certainly NOT excellent by WW2 standards for Allied high performance piston engines (it wasn't even excellent for the German piston engines). The Merlin had a TBO of 240 hours and the R-2800 had a TBO of 300 hours. When it came to jet engines, both the Welland and the Derwent had TBOs of 150 hours.

Hi all I just wonder if a follow up documentary could be done about the Gloster Meteor, as the first British production jet, which also saw service in WW2.

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

A truly shameful and humiliating chapter in British aviation history, the plane RAF pilots called the _"Meat Box"_ was not only slower than propeller driven aircraft it had a horrible propensity to crash... 890 crashed in RAF service alone killing 450 British pilots.

@fritzwrangle-clouder6033

4 ай бұрын

@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, as you know the Gloster Meteor was a very successful jet having a service career of more than thirty years and in service with more than a dozen air forces (what other WW2 jet can you say that of except the de Havilland Vampire of course), including with Argentina that was full of nazis and nazi money and being advised by Kurt Tank and Adolf Galland. As you know Sandyboy the Gloster Meteor saw combat in several conflicts. As you know Sandybboy the Gloster meteors crash rate was lower than that of the Me 262, the F100 Super Sabre and the F104G in German hands.

One of the best looking fighter's

The Me 262 was anything but maneuverable.

@walterblanc9708

7 ай бұрын

But in the hands of a competent pilot outside of takeoff and landing it was untoucheable.

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

Pilots who flew the Messerschmitt Me-262 said it was very maneuverable with excellent handling, the German jet could turn and maneuver at speeds 100 mph faster than Allied aircraft could not reach in straight and level flight. Allied aircraft were completely outclassed by the Me-262 in a dogfight.

@daniel_lucio

7 ай бұрын

@@WilhelmKarsten Very strangely, Galland was adept at the hit technique (bombers) & run

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

@@daniel_lucio Galland was a very skilled pilot but his real talent was politics and mastered the technique of talking out of both sides of his mouth... depending upon who was in the room and who they liked and didn't like.

@fritzwrangle-clouder6033

4 ай бұрын

@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, as you know the Me 262 was a poor fighter, indeed Eric 'Winkle' Brown whilst describing it as a most formidable aircraft stated that it was "NO FIGHTER" and that it could not effectively perform dogfight maneuvers. Brown identified it's proper use as a zoom and boom interceptor but noted the limiting lack of dive brakes. Me 262 pilots were forbidden from engaging allied fighters. From the Smithsonian on their Me 262 - "Despite its great speed advantage, the Me 262 was not as maneuverable as top-of-the-line piston fighters and it had a tendency to stall due to a tricky compressor. The jet engines burned out quickly and were not that reliable."

Thanks, Dark Skies.

Pull up right here.

V2 rocket was the fist man made object to reach outer space.

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

The A4b was a rocket powered aircraft with swept wings that reached Mach 4 in 1945, although unmanned during testing it had a cockpit for a pilot. The world's first supersonic aircraft and the first spacecraft capable of carrying a man into space.

Heinkel is not pronounced "hinkle". "Hine kel ", please...

I can only imagine what Hartmann would have done with an Me-262. His favorite tactic during the entire war was hit and run, he felt dogfighting was ridiculous. Highest scoring ace of all time, I think he knew what he was talking about.

excellent!!

I think they got it almost perfect for the available tech, hence most modern airliners with another 50+ years of tech look very similar for working in the same environment.

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

Indeed, without question the most significant aircraft design in history since the Wright Flyer...

@t37able45

7 ай бұрын

I thought the same. Look at a B 737

“At the same time, the British Frank Whittle…” no, not the same time. Long before. Whittle patented the jet engine in 1930. If his ‘superiors’ had listened to him, Britain could have had jet engined Spitfires in the Battle of Britain.

@respectdawildo_danjones508

7 ай бұрын

Prob wouldn’t have had enough funding but, yeah, they really dropped the ball

@simonrooney7942

7 ай бұрын

Whittles design was not axial flow. All modern engines are axial flow

@foxxy46213

7 ай бұрын

They sold out to the US look at whittles jet...looks exactly like what the us tested. An also we was testing fully moving tails in the late 30s as hurricanes was experiencing compressibility in very high speed dives. Another British invention the USA stole

@walterblanc9708

7 ай бұрын

That would have been something. Or a twin jet Mosquito?

@walterblanc9708

7 ай бұрын

But they would have worked better with the available tech. Alot longer than the German axial s@@simonrooney7942

Good video. Thanks

@JSFGuy

7 ай бұрын

Did you even watch it?

@timtitus2532

7 ай бұрын

Yes, I watched it. Why do you ask?

@JSFGuy

7 ай бұрын

@@timtitus2532 because 2 hours later the time stamps are gone, you'd commented before the video had a chance to play.

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Me262 is beautiful and amazing 👍

Den Amerikanischen Bombenterror hatten wir leider Zuwenig entgegen zu setzen aber ich Danke jeden Flieger der Luftwaffe für ihre Tapferkeit gegen eine überlegenen Übermacht. Schade das die ME 262 zu spät eingesetzt wurde.

"Now you be my witness, how red were the skies when the fortresses flew for the very last time, it was dark over Westfalia in April of '45..." -BOC

@voctur

7 ай бұрын

That song 👌

@garcia83viz

7 ай бұрын

@@voctur well ain't this some shit... Classic rock and aviation connoisseurs conversing on the internet. Thank you Mr. Dark Skies... Awesome channel. "I raise my can of beer on high and seal my fate forever. "

It’s an “Axial Flow” Jet engine not an “Arial Flow” Jet engine

The Me-262 was NOT maneuverable. It was fast but un-maneuverable and very unreliable.

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

Thats absolute nonsense, just another popular but completely false myth. The Messerschmitt Me-262 was highly maneuverable and had excellent handling characteristics, it could turn and maneuver at speeds 100 mph than Allied aircraft could achieve in straight and level flight. Allied fighters were completely outclassed by the Me-262 in a dogfight.

@fritzwrangle-clouder6033

4 ай бұрын

@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, as you know Eric 'Winkle' Brown who you sometimes like to quote as an authority, stated that the Me 262 was "NO FIGHTER" and said that it could not be used in dog fight maneuvers. As you know Me 262 pilots were prohibited from engaging with allied fighters. As you know Spitfires, Tempests, P47s and P51s all shot down Me 262s.

So where is the confirmation that1,000+ US bombers were shot down by the Me262? Only 1,300 Me262 were built in the last year of the war, of these only about 300 were flown on operations 8-44 to 5-45. Most of the Me262s that were flying were converted to Sturmvogel bonbers, so were were the fighters that claimed so many American bombers? The facts are that about 300 aircraft of all types were shot down by Me 262, but in return around 120 Me262 were shot down in the air, more destroyed on the ground. The aircraft had no effect on the war, despite all the hype.

@ALA-uv7jq

7 ай бұрын

4 to 1 kill ratio says it all. You do the maths.

@billballbuster7186

7 ай бұрын

@@ALA-uv7jq That was just one engagement in 1945, not overall figures. You may want read a book to check your facts.

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

26 Luftwaffe pilots scored Ace or higher flying the Me-262, Kurt Welter remains the highest scoring jet Ace in history.

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

The Messerschmitt Me-262 is without any question the most significant aircraft design history since the Wright Flyer, the Allies had absolutely nothing comparable to the Me-262.

@fritzwrangle-clouder6033

4 ай бұрын

@@WilhelmKarsten That's neither here nor there Sandyboy, regardless of Welter's exaggerations. The fact remains that the Me 262 had no effect on the outcome of the war.

Mate, you’re FULL OF IT!

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

The Messerschmitt Me-262 was the most significant aircraft design since the Wright Flyer and the Allies had absolutely nothing comparable to the German jet.

@fritzwrangle-clouder6033

4 ай бұрын

@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, as you know the Me 262 is an historical novelty of little significance in aircraft design history. Allied aircraft certainly weren't comparable to the general crappiness and ineffectiveness of the Me 262.

The Me262 didn’t have an ejection seat fitted as standard. Experimental versions were fitted to a few but not as standard.

@opoxious1592

7 ай бұрын

The HE-162 Salamander jet did have standard ejection seats.

Good info! Thanks

In that you where talking about 262’s and you had vid of 262’s- rare for you

@Kneon_Knight

7 ай бұрын

Give it a rest. The topics covered by this channel most often have little or no archival footage. Unless you have mountains of never before seen photos or films you are willing to share stfu.

@jstephenallington8431

7 ай бұрын

🤣

Awesome video .excellent 😀from nz.

The real problem was titanium, which was not available in Germany. So they had to use steel for the engines, which needed a change almost every fight.

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

All jet engines are made of steel, titanium is only used in modern Turbofan engines

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

The USAAF exhaustively tested the Me-262 during Operation LUSTY and confirmed TBOs averaged 55 hours... excellent by WW2 standards for Allied piston engines

@wilburfinnigan2142

7 ай бұрын

@@WilhelmKarsten WRONG !!!! The engines were lucky to last 5 hours, why testing was stopped on the Me262 by the USAAF as they ranout of engines !!

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

@@wilburfinnigan2142 *The USAAF tests confirmed TBOs averaged 55 hours.*

@fritzwrangle-clouder6033

4 ай бұрын

@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy as you know your 55 hours is NOT excellent by WW2 stanadards. The Merlin engine had a TBO of 240 hours, the R-2800 had a TBO of 300 hours and the Welland and Derwent had TBOs of 150 hours. As you know Sandyboy the Ju004 engines fitted to the Me 262 are well documented to have been fragile and short lived.

C'è solo da dire che comunque diedero vita ad un nuovo tipo di aviazione

830 kilometers per hour to mph 530 roughly

@flyingled3176

7 ай бұрын

Thanks 👍

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

560 mph, faster than any aircraft in WW2 except for the Me-163 Komet.

The engines were axial flow...... Not aerial flow...

No mystery, the plane in your thumbnail is an ME262

Germany could develop, refine and mass produce the Me-262 only in peacetime and would have to be in secrecy. These jet engine need significant quantities of Ni, Cr, Co plus W. The engine tolerances are very tight to obtain max performance, efficiency…%. Plus a lot testing down to the harmonics. Even the armaments needed to be refined including a long range accurate 30 mm cannon, air to air missiles, radar, etc. Probably made a difference in sufficient numbers?

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

Germany manufactured 8,000 Jumo 109-004B Orkan engines with production ramping up to 10,000 engines per month. The B version required no Nickel or Cobalt, Chromium was available in required quantities. W? Tungsten? is not used in jet engines. That's incorrect, jet engines require much lower tolerances and few high tolerance parts, were faster to build than piston engines and cost about 1/3 as much... they also didn't need highly refined gasoline, J-stoff was made from plentiful supplies of coal. Without any doubt the Messerschmitt Me-262 was the developed and refined jet aircraft and was very successful in operational service.

@fritzwrangle-clouder6033

4 ай бұрын

@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, yes your nazi heroes' did rather stupidly produce 8000 shit engines but then that just demonstrates their strategic incompetence. Witout any doubt the Me 262 was a developed but unrefined jet aircraft with underdeveloped engines and was a failure in operational service and the market place.

I can't see the plane in the thumbnail. Perhaps if you put a huge red circle and some arrows in it would help.

Finaly a good video for the ME262 for her performance/technology and of cause theyer faults but its still the first ever operational jet figther

I was lucky enough to see two flying over, they were on their way to an air show in the UK

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Every single plane when first seen by the enemy: "never seen before".

@WilhelmKarsten

6 ай бұрын

The Messerschmitt Me-262 was the first jet aircraft in operational service, no Allied airmen had ever seen an aircraft that had no propeller and never seen an aircraft with such a huge airspeed advantage.

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Thats a ME 262, Ive seen them many times before, on TV and in books, videos games.

@ordinaryman1904

7 ай бұрын

There’s one in the Smithsonian Air and Space museum in DC. If you ever happen to be in the area.

YOU SAW ME SQUINTING AT THE PLATE HUH LOL

Beautiful plane. However the engines had a short running life.

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

That's a popular myth based on deliberate misinformation. The version of the Jumo 109-004A made with Krupp P-198 Chromadur alloy NEVER entered production or saw combat service. The Jumo 109-004B version that actually powered the production aircraft easily passed the RLMs 100 hour reliability test required for adoption into Luftwaffe service. The USAAF exhaustively tested the Me-262 during Operation LUSTY and confirmed TBOs averaged 55 hours. EXCELLENT by WW2 standards for Allied piston engines

@fritzwrangle-clouder6033

4 ай бұрын

@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, as you know your 55 hours is NOT excellent by WW2 stanadards. The Merlin engine had a TBO of 240 hours, the R-2800 had a TBO of 300 hours and the Welland and Derwent had TBOs of 150 hours. As you know Sandyboy the Ju004 engines fitted to the Me 262 are well documented to have been fragile and short lived.

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This is a very positive presentation on behalf of the 262. While a great pioneering first step the 262 was hardly a fully developed aircraft. As always it would take the allies time to develop ways of dealing with this aircraft. They did eventually take advantage of its weaknesses. All that said one has only admiration for its developers and the pilots who learned how to fly her.

@WilhelmKarsten

3 ай бұрын

The Messerschmitt Me-262 was well developed when it entered service, especially compared to Allied jets. What weakness was that? The Me-262 was an excellent aircraft

I'm waiting for the infamous light fighter heinkel he 162

Hallo, Toll gemacht das Video, sie zeigen uns da das schnellste Flugzug seiner Zeit ich fand ihr Ausführungen absolut ok, wenn sich auch der oder jener über Kleinigkeiten aufregen, ich mach sowas auch mal, aber sollen die Meckriche ersmal selbst so einen Film fertigbringen. Danke auf jeden Fall und Tschüss bis zum nächsten mal.

Now just imagine.... If the Luftwaffe had prioritized the jet, they could have had a working jet fighter in 41 MAYBE in 1940. Just imagine.... There's nothing at all that the allies could have done for 2 or 3 years to touch them. The Luftwaffe would have ruled the air in every theater they flew in. If they shared that technology early with the Japanese, the same could be said for the Pacific. Several key developments would have never happened. That one thing could have made the outcome completely different.

@wilburfinnigan2142

7 ай бұрын

cavethug...IT did NOT happen, the engine technology was not up to the task !!!!

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

​@@wilburfinnigan2142Germany developed the most advanced jet engine technology that existed during WW2..

@fritzwrangle-clouder6033

4 ай бұрын

@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, as you know, the Germans developed the crappiest jet engines that existed during WW2.

another bone of contention, the tricycle landing gear was chosen purely for engine performance because the tail dragger prototype experienced compressor stalls and surging at low speeds in the take off roll from lack of airflow into the engine before the aircraft could be rotated level. does this author just pluck 'facts' out of his backside?

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

Not true, the tricycle gear was selected simply because the jet exhaust was redirected from the ground and interfered with the elevator effectiveness and made difficult to raise the tail on take-off.

An uncle I never got to meet was a test pilot for this aircraft.

Das war noch deutsches Ingenieurwesen! Was zu der Zeit alles entwickelt wurde, Wahnsinn. Und das meiste haben sich die Besatzer angeeignet.

I have adolf gallands autograph.

The reason the 262 was chosen over the Heinkel-280 was largely due to politicking. Heinkel was refused a contract to develop the jet engines he was working on. Had he been given a contract, the He-280 may have been ready by 1942, just when the U.S.A.A.F. started its bombing raids.

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

That's a popular but completely false myth, the He-280 may have been jet powered but was not even in the same class as the Me-262 which was aerodynamically a revolutionary breakthrough design that could turn circles around the He-280 in the transonic realm.

At least the footage kinda made sense

Tambien estaba el FW TA 185.

Sleekest looking fighter of WW2 imo.

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

And the fastest... (air breathing)

AXIAL flow

@fritzwrangle-clouder6033

4 ай бұрын

Yes, a poor choice, especially for the nazis.

If it was a higher priority it would have been their spitfire, air defense should have been the role in make attack plane later

I saw an me262 flying at an airshow about 10 years ago,. Warbirds of Virginia Beach

Swept wings make an airplane faster, and Less maneuverable

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

Swept wings and jet engines both make a plane faster and more maneuverable at high speed.

@magicsinglez

7 ай бұрын

@@WilhelmKarsten: I’m not sure that’s true. I believe swept wings make an aircraft less maneuverable. Perhaps in most cases the greater speed offers better performance than the drawback of less maneuverability.

@magicsinglez

7 ай бұрын

@@WilhelmKarsten: those variable wings, with the wings way back, allow planes like the F -111 and the F 14 to travel at very high speeds. The plane is almost like a dart.

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

​@@magicsinglezPeople get very confused about "turn radius" 2 planes with the same speed but one has a tighter turn radius? It will have the advantage. 2 planes with the same turn radius, but one is 100 mph faster? The faster plane has the advantage. Imagine it in a simple 2D scenario... a bicycle VS. a motorcycle with a 100 mph speed delta.

@WilhelmKarsten

7 ай бұрын

​@@magicsinglezWell, there are two reasons why jets have swept wings, one is the shock wave at supersonic speeds. The other applies to all aircraft which is reduced drag... both in a straight and level AND less drag in a turn... Every time you turn, you lose speed. Swept wings lose less speed, and thus turn faster.