Precisely why the best quote for good racing is: "All the time you have to leave the space!"

@lmaomoofeq2505

Жыл бұрын

This quote and Senna's quote are literally made for each other. thats how you go racing

@allainangcao28

Жыл бұрын

Followed up by this hand sign… 🤌

@Laurentus

Жыл бұрын

Alonso has won 2 championships compared to how many by Senna again?

@ruledtrendy5066

Жыл бұрын

@@Laurentus oh dear 🤦‍♂️

@Sodda_Deji

Жыл бұрын

@@Laurentus I fail to see how championships come into play here?

It's difficult to have an honest discussion about Senna, even to this day. He's been raised to this mythical level where any criticism is seen as heresy.

@cruachan1191

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Personally I've always thought Prost was the better all-round driver, whilst Senna was the faster in ideal conditions. The Senna approach is favoured by so many great drivers (with lots of justification) but I look at someone like Colin McRae and think he could have won many more rallys and championships if sometimes he'd taken the Prost approach and driven more to the conditions rather than always flat out.

@user-fb9hk8cj1y

Жыл бұрын

@@cruachan1191 Senna faster only in ideal condition? How about rain? How about gearbox issue in Brazil 91? How about Monaco 84?

@user-fb9hk8cj1y

Жыл бұрын

@@cruachan1191 Season 1989. Senna was faster than Prost in all the races he finished

@_Razpberrie

Жыл бұрын

@@cruachan1191 Pure racing vs tactics. Most people prefer the former.

@JmeStudios1

Жыл бұрын

@@user-fb9hk8cj1y Did you read OPs Comment?

I took it as "take any *good* passing opportunity. To allow an opponent to keep a lead when you should've taken it is shameful. Others seem to think it meant "dive bomb no matter what from 4 links back" 🤦‍♂️

@f1jones544

Жыл бұрын

The context under which he said it was 100% the second scenario, so that's what applies.

@SixxWolfZx

Жыл бұрын

@@f1jones544 no just no, people like you need to stay faaaaaar away from a track.

@daarom3472

Жыл бұрын

Don't: Max Verstappen '15-'20 Do: Max Verstappen '21-'22 Think his carreer best sums it up, in '21 he was reserved but elbows out when he had to. In '22 he was even more mature, just lookat his Spa race the composure he showed during the first lap letting several cars pass him to avoid collissions.

@JuicedOnKids

Жыл бұрын

@@daarom3472 Did you really call Max "reserved" in 2021 lol.

@daarom3472

Жыл бұрын

@@JuicedOnKids he tried his best but unfortunately got repeatedly driven into by the Mercs. Luckily last year he was far enough ahead of them so they crashed into others.

If the f1 fanbase already had a complete meltdown over the course of the 2021 season, I can't even imagine what would happen if f1 Twitter was a thing in the 1989 and 1990 seasons (might as well include 1994 and 1997 lmao)

@f1jones544

Жыл бұрын

I was on a couple relatively large F1 forums in 1997. I predicted Jerez 97 before Villeneuve did publicly. I became so-called "Schumi hater #1" on them following that incident by his fans apologizing for him and even received threatening emails from other contributors (back when email addresses were publicly accessible through our profiles lol).It really wasn't any different, there were just fewer forums.

@plaguebomb2712

Жыл бұрын

Yeah no sh8t, whatever hamilton or vestappen did was childs play if we look at what senna actually did

@oj7177

Жыл бұрын

I read that after 89 prost had to be escorted by the police in brazil 💀

@adityawardanasujaya

Жыл бұрын

yea but if senna was british most of the media today would’ve defend or justify his actions

@livwake

Жыл бұрын

@@adityawardanasujaya they didn’t defend Hamilton after silverstone 21 and that was a lot more up in the air

I don't get why anyone could take this quote seriously. It was an excuse after an accident which Senna caused deliberately. You can only use it as a joke after you hit someone but people really believe in it.

@JuicedOnKids

Жыл бұрын

If gap car go

@Quattro_Joe

Жыл бұрын

@@JuicedOnKids no gap Car crash

@daarom3472

Жыл бұрын

this is what happens in the Media, especiallh sports media. These guys just make a half thought-out comment and it's presented as if its a peer reviewed philosophy paper revealing a core belief of the sporter in question. Reporter: "do you think Alonso could challenge you for the title next year?" Max: "sure he's a fast driver". Next day: "Max slams Lewis Hamilton and fails to mention him as his main challenger for the next year".

@victorleoncio1079

Жыл бұрын

And it took him a year to admit that, yes, in fact it was just a half-baked excuse to justify his crash into Prost in Suzuka. But people nowadays either take it as proof that "real drivers are hard-wired to go for any gap that appears in front of them", which, while not exactly wrong, can't be done 100% of the time, or as an argument to defend blatant divebombing, even if it results in a perfectly avoidable crash.

@tomnewham1269

Жыл бұрын

Because it was made by Senna who some people think is the greatest driver of all time.

Senna just could not admit he had done it on purpose, because he could not risk the championship. I fully understand him and would probably have done the same, because he just hadn't been treated fair in 1989. But I think it's interesting how Senna gets away with his often quite aggressive driving and some questionable manoeuvres much better than Schumacher with his ones. As you say in the video - If it gets close, the most successful drivers will always try to stretch the rules because they are absolutely determined to win. Therefore all of these great champions should be judged in equal measure.

@eggselent9814

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, the system really favoured Senna against Prost. Prost had outscored Senna by 9 points in 1988. This would be 25 points today and Senna still won the title due to the dropped scores rule. In 1989 Prost would've been Champions like 3 races before the end of the season, but the points system kept Sennas challenge alive.

@cobosil

Жыл бұрын

@@eggselent9814 the system favoured Senna? I assume they knew the rules before they started the season haha

@tedt7991

Жыл бұрын

@@eggselent9814 are you born in 2006 ? if anything you just explained why todays system is unfair and back then gave everyone a chance to fight for the championship to the last race

@eggselent9814

Жыл бұрын

@@cobosil It was the points system. See, up until 1990 not all results counted towards the championship. In 1988 the best 11 out of 16 results counted for the title. Now Prost was an incredibly consistent driver, while Senna wasn't. In 1988 Prost had outscored Senna by 11 points, however due to that rule, Prost lost the points gained from 3 second places, which led to him losing the title to Senna by 3 points, despite having 11 points more In todays points, Verstappan could've outscored for example Hamilton by 30,5 points and still not win the title. The same goes for 1989. By the time the Japanese GP was held, Prost had a 21 point lead over Senna. As there were only 9 points to be gained from a race, Prost should have already been champion. However the system still gave Senna the chance at the title.

@user-vh6sg6zc4w

Жыл бұрын

@@eggselent9814 I understand what you saying, but the thing is what he already said, both drivers know how the point system works, what they needed to do, there wasnt really a benefit to them both related to that, i mean, you are literally comparing a system point from 1988 to other from 2010+

It's really telling that Senna reacted so strongly, even to Jackie Stewart asking him the question. To me it feels like Senna knew that he was in the wrong, and that's why he got mad about it. Anyone else he could brush off and say they don't know about racing. But it touched a nerve that it was someone who was a real, champion saying he was too aggressive. And I think that's because Senna knew it was true.

@dclark142002

Жыл бұрын

...especially since, because Prost was such a well connected a-hole...the only way to win was apparently to sink to a level of violence even Senna didn't like. That's the toxicity of F1 for you.

@benitolonard4441

Жыл бұрын

Yes, it touched a nerve with Senna especially Stewart's accusation that he had been involved in more collisions than the total amount of collisions of all the previous champions before him. Stewart claimed that he had done his homework but still came out with that rubbish. No wonder Senna was agitated

@cronistamundano8189

6 ай бұрын

The problem is that Europeans could not stand a Brazillian just beating the shit out of everyone. Prost deliberately drove into Senna in 89 and Jean Marie Ballestre protected his fellow countryman, and the year after, just before the race, recognized that It was a lot more unsafe to do what Senna had been penalised the year before than what he did to return to the track. That drove Senna mad, and he got tired of all the politics involved and just MASTERFULLY took Prost out of the race. All we Brasillians at the time wanted to see Senna win on the track, but we had a sense of revenge when Senna did to Prost what Prost had done to Senna in the previous year.

I do love how this quote has shifted over the last few years to become a meme that mocks the very idea of stupid divebombs: "If gap car"

Saying that to a guy like Jackie who advocated so much for safety and saw his friends die regularly just bothers me so much.

@seventh-hydra

Жыл бұрын

Better than "Balestre was such a righteous c*nt that I put my life and another driver's life in serious danger just to teach him a lesson"

@R9naldo

Жыл бұрын

I would be bothered too if I was Senna and in 1989 Prost crashed into me by taking the final chicane 20m early, then the officials disqualifying me for cutting the chicane despite already losing a minute of time.

@MidnightAvalon

Жыл бұрын

@@R9naldo these aren't mutually exclusive.

@SeanCampbell_iRacing

Жыл бұрын

@@R9naldo ah yeah because making low speed contact and having both cars come to a stop safely is the same as two cars flying off into t1

@drewgriffithsfm

Жыл бұрын

@@R9naldo Senna would have been DSQ anyway for an illegal push start.

Half the sim racing community's realities shattered within the first 20 seconds

I believe this actually started because Senna, who qualified on pole was put on the inside "off the racing line". A decision by the FIA on which side of the track pole position would be. Typically it would be on the inside of Turn 1 but on some tracks this means pole starts on the dirty side of the track. Senna felt that the FIA who had "been against" him the year before was trying to favour Prost again. So, he decided that he was going to be first into turn one as the only way Prost would be ahead is because the start on the racing line for him gave him an advantage.

@andrewahern3730

Жыл бұрын

That begs the question, why doesn’t F1 have a choose rule? Qual shouldn’t decide starting position, it should decide the order that drivers pick their starting spot. Sometimes in NASCAR, one lane will build up 6-7 positions over the other because it’s the preferred line.

@elChirrinChirriondelDiablo

Жыл бұрын

From what I've heard, (yes heard, I didn't watched F1 regularly before 2001 and in '90 I was really young wouldn't even know anything about it) the pole position in Suzuka traditionally started in the inside line, the dirty part of the track it wasn't changed to f*d up Ayrton

@coronasdelaurel

Жыл бұрын

The pole in Suzuka was always on the inside, you can check the starts of the 1987-1990 Japanese GPs or Japanese categories like the Japanese F2/F3000. It not only happened at Suzuka but in Fuji as well for example. What happened in 1990 is that Senna, who got jumped at the start by Prost in 1989 (I don't count 1988 as he stalled), asked the stewards to change the pole side before the qualifying and they originally agreed to it only to be overturned later, which enraged Senna. So to be more correct, is not that they switched the grid position to screw Senna, but that they did NOT switch the grid position to screw Senna.

@tonedaforce5967

Жыл бұрын

@@coronasdelaurel There is no documented evidence of the officials agreeing to change pole. Even the Wikipedia entry for this sights an article that makes no mention of this. Only Senna's word which is not a reliable source of info.

@tiagotaisan

Жыл бұрын

Well said 👍

"If you no longer go for a gap that exists, then you're no longer a racing driver" - Senna "If you go for a gap that no longer exist, you are Pastor Maldonado" -some meme

@vaenii5056

Жыл бұрын

Lmao this is true. 😄

@phillydelphia8760

Жыл бұрын

Edit, "If you no longer go for a gap that never existed in the first place".. - Pastor Maldonado

@fortijr

Жыл бұрын

@@phillydelphia8760 LOL, I thought it was Daniel “the torpedo” Kvyat

@nu3566

Жыл бұрын

pastor made his own gap

@kento6201

Жыл бұрын

Pastor is the Gap himself 😁

I always took it as "never pass up a good passing opportunity"

100% the most misunderstood racing comment ever made. Yep, if you want to ruin everyone's race, including your own, send it into the vortex of danger. "Putting" the car in a gap is extremely good advice during a race start, but that's a very specific bit of advice. Good shout and I'm looking forward to how this gets received!

I'm currently just doing drag racing so if my gap disappears sh!t's gone wrong on several levels.

@ChrisBl33p.

Жыл бұрын

Not much that can be done in that situation! 😂

@wiseostrich9115

Жыл бұрын

when in doubt keep it flat out

@ChrisBl33p.

Жыл бұрын

@@wiseostrich9115 put the metal to the pedal to the other metal!

I think in these situations the attacking Driver's mindset is - "F*ck the rules. I hope the other Driver yields." And if the other Driver yields, there is no story. If he doesn't and there is a crash, then it becomes a big story.

@Da5idc

Жыл бұрын

Like young Maxie...

@jamiewilliamson3161

Жыл бұрын

Back in those days it seemed drivers like Ayrton were determined to gain an advantage through “out psyching” your rivals. From memory, many less experienced guys and No.2 driver types would almost always yield to him. I think that Senna must have thought there was also a good possibility that, “Stop the race there’s rain” Prost, would have taken the corner slightly wider because there wasn’t a chance in hell that the car he could hear over his right shoulder wasn’t Senna. Yeah, I didn’t like Prost. But only after he ran off to his Chocken Hawk, Jean Marie Balestre in 89’ at Suzuka. Until then, I was more of a F1 fan than of any particular driver. F^*king little Fia Presidential cock sock!

Even though I’d give Prost around 60% of the blame for the 1989 crash, it’s rarely mentioned that Senna DNF’ed the final race of the season, so even if he kept his win in Japan, he still wouldn’t have won the title that year

@mlustosakm

Жыл бұрын

But after the crash. Send was still able to get back to race and would be champion bit was disqualified after finish in some questionable way as well. That is why the1989 championship has this controversy feeling to him.

@formulahank1250

Жыл бұрын

@@mlustosakm he lost the championship by 16 points back when wins were worth 10 points. Senna would’ve still finished 6 points behind Prost had he kept the win at Suzuka

@RafitoOoO

Жыл бұрын

if you change one event in history you change everything that came after. If he wasn't disqualified who knows if he could win in Adelaide?

@formulahank1250

Жыл бұрын

@@RafitoOoO he crashed out of the race while trying to pass lapped cars in the rain. Prost retired from the race too, but regardless, he was not winning that race or the title

@Frentzen127

Жыл бұрын

If you've seen the Japanese Tv camera angle showing the accident from the front then the only conclusion anyone can reach is that Prost absolutely did it deliberately and is 100% to blame for the crash in 1989.

I recall before the race Senna saying - "either i come out of that corner 1st - or no-one will"!

I think the most interesting part of this story is him admitting the lie to sir jackie, in the interest of furthering the safety of the sport, not too long before it took his life.

@dclark142002

Жыл бұрын

But did it actually happen? Or is Jackie also lying?

The context of this quote was used to justify him taking Prost out of the race in the 1990 Japanese Grand Prix, effectively winning him the title. So yeah, it’s wrong

@formularguments7335

Жыл бұрын

@@paralleluniverse99 it literally was used in that context though

@mikepants3736

Жыл бұрын

No, it is not wrong, Prost did the same to win and some more. He just got pay back.

@eggselent9814

Жыл бұрын

@@mikepants3736 Simply wrong, as the 1989 crash is also Sennas fault

@mikepants3736

Жыл бұрын

@@eggselent9814 but we’re talking about the 90 one, where the whole grid was moved to accommodate Prost in detriment of Senna. This type of politics is what f1 is about and Senna was 100% right to do what he did.

@Daervar

Жыл бұрын

@@mikepants3736 that is a lie. Pole position was always on the inside on first corner. Always. Senna wanted it to be moved to the outside (a very fair request imo as it's the racing line there and on most circuits) but the race directors refused it. So no, no special rules for Prost. As in 89, Senna was disqualified for cutting the chicane after the crash, once again that was in the rule books. Any justification for this is silly, how would you feel now if both have died here?

I've been struggling to find it but I think at the end of the interview Jackie Stewart said something like 'you need to grow up son'

@MScotty90

Жыл бұрын

The interview cracks me up, as soon as Senna calls him "Stewart" you can tell in his head Jackie's thinking "why you little shit"

@jonnyspa27

Жыл бұрын

I think the majority of that interview is in Murray Walker’s autobiography. It’s weird how the JYS & Ayrton interview isn’t available to watch in-full. I have only been able to find edited versions and not the very end where Senna basically leaves.

@NonFlyiingDutchman

Жыл бұрын

@@jonnyspa27 yes, I have vague recognition of it from the time with Jackie saying that as Senna left but agreed, it's very strange that such a famous and cited interview isn't available anywhere.

Also, he asked for the pole position to be on the left side of the track at suzuka (as it is today) because that's the racing line and they didn't change it. So that also added to his frustration when prost got a much better launch even in spite of being in second place. Also I think that when Senna says "a gap that exists" he means a gap that you can take without causing an accident. Don't you think?

Dear Scott, (if I may), You are almost completely correct, in my opinion. Regarding the historical buildup toward that crash in Suzuka 1990 there is a crucial addition to the 1989 case: In 1990 Senna drove the fastest qualifying lap. And he wanted to start on the left side of the track, but one J.M. Balestre insisted that pole position was on the right side. Even Prost himself later admitted that, had he had pole, and the choice, he would also have chosen the left side. He therefore DID start better, the rest ist histery. Needless to say, Senna was therefore doubly furious, feeling cheated from the 1989 disqualification, and now also from the unfair loss of actual pole position, that was hard earned. He had enough - and the two factors both made him do what he did. So Balestre had his part in that incident, if indirectly. Just wanted to add to your information while applauding your cautionary note for young drivers. Spot on. Greetings, Rolando (Monello)

Anyone who takes the quote at face value is misunderstanding it, its a quote about always giving your all and always trying to be better rather than a quote about making dangerous driving mistakes whenever you can.

@colz848

Жыл бұрын

And you know what someone that's dead was meaning how exactly? Or are you projecting what you think, operative words here are "you think"

@supawonk

Жыл бұрын

its a quote used as an excuse for taking out prost (not a prost fan dont worry), but people read into it too much

@retardno002

Жыл бұрын

Bullsh*t, it was a d*ckhead excuse to make up for a d*ck move. There was no deeper meaning, just like most excuses.

@MegaCm123456

Жыл бұрын

No its not. You are no better at understanding it. Its a good sounding gross simplification one liner that Senna delivered to deflect the tough questions. Its just demagoguery. There was nothing more to it. For anyone to take this as some kind of principle to live by is a complete error in understanding under what circumstances this sentence was said.

@Someone25948

Жыл бұрын

You want Senna to have said something positive and meaningful and so you're interpreting it in a way that portrays Senna in a good light, even if all evidence points towards Senna gaslighting the media and people

I'm surprised there are people out there who don't understand this. It should be known, considering that was the climax of one of the most dramatic rivalries in F1 history. Senna was basically trolling Balestre for cheating him out of a WDC the year before.

@josipristic

Жыл бұрын

People just hear that quote and obviously like it, without knowing the whole backstory. That's the truth in most of the cases. Just like with anything nowadays, just look at the taken out of the context headlines. It brainwashes and fucks with people's minds so much, that it's sad.

@joelambert7128

Жыл бұрын

Balestre (arguably) cheated him out of the chance of staying in the championship fight for the last round, but saying that Balestre actually took a WDC from Senna is an exaggeration: Prost was already leading the championship and did not even need to outscore Senna at Suzuka to claim the title then and there. Senna wasn't blameless in the collision that led to the disqualifying incident with the marshals anyway, and subsequent examples where drivers have actually been allowed to complete the race after similar assistance are also controversial.

@seventh-hydra

Жыл бұрын

@@joelambert7128Oh I 100% agree with you. I worded that poorly, and should've said a _potential_ title. I think it's still a 90% chance Prost takes it. He rightfully earned that title. Moreso it's just Balestre's outrageous actions pushing Senna over the edge, and Senna's perspective on it. I'd forgotten to even mention the pole position drama, which was really the nail in the coffin.

@nicolasoliveira4903

Жыл бұрын

@@seventh-hydra But think with me. Senna ALWAYS HUMILIATED Prost in qualifying. The only reason the championship was like that were the breakdowns of Senna's Mclaren and Mansell who was black flagged in Portugal and continued for 3 laps until he destroyed Senna's car in a crash. Considering the 2 driving the same car without Senna breaking down, he would certainly make up the difference. Even because it was 16 not counting this race where Senna was unfairly disqualified, otherwise it would be 7 points difference.

@seventh-hydra

Жыл бұрын

@@nicolasoliveira4903 Things could have very well shaken out that way, too. Just saying I also don't think Prost was outright given a title he didn't deserve. I have immense respect for both drivers. Personally I think Senna drove better that season, but both are great and that's just how F1 is.

I'm a fan of the Kankkunen quote "The speed was okay, the corner was too tight" myself. It speaks more to the way I drive. :-)

@dielaughing73

Жыл бұрын

That perfectly explains my recent crash

The rule of thumb I like is, just like public roads, your first objective on a racing track is to NOT HIT ANYTHING OR ANYONE, all racing, defending, overtaking etc. comes after that.

I was and still am a huge Senna fan, I watched that move live, everyone knew it would not work and he was wrong, but he would win the championship and get payback for the year before. It reminds me of Max blaming Lewis in Italy “that’s what happens when you don’t leave space”, when he only had half a car width and went for it anyway.

@NonFlyiingDutchman

Жыл бұрын

yes, and the hypocrisy of him saying that after he said Hamilton had no right to stick his wheel in at Silverstone. To be fair they all talk biased cr@p! so it should be taken in that context.

@AndyFromBeaverton

Жыл бұрын

But there was a car width for Max.

@magicmillz

Жыл бұрын

@@AndyFromBeaverton How when his car mounted the curb? There's an escape road for a reason, He's not God

@Obi-WanKannabis

Жыл бұрын

difference is Italy was a racing incident, Japan was not

@megawave79

Жыл бұрын

@@Obi-WanKannabis italy was not an incident. purposeful crash

I am a Senna fan. But if you take into account the where and when of that quote, it was a bit of a dodge. He was kind of talking out of his ass to defend what he did at Suzuka, which was to purposely wreck himself and Prost and secure the title (a move that was somewhat justified by the pre-race FIA shenanigans.) Ive always taken it with of a grain of salt.

A lot of things that Senna did was simply dirty and dangerous. But people, especially the new fans, love to take what he did, and what Schumacher did as a excuse to justify some forms of dangerous driving simply because they’re one of the greatest of all time. I saw hundreds of that very same comments on the main F1 channel alone whenever there’s a crash between 2 drivers, mainly Verstappen and Hamilton. Literally majority of the “fans” (in reality it’s the new fans) nowadays think that bumper cars and pushing drivers off the track every single corner is true racing. It’s absolutely ridiculous these people

@ThePapaja1996

Жыл бұрын

yeah they doesn't drive like jackie did. But that ofcorse was becouse the car was basically was a bomb on wheels.

@fortijr

Жыл бұрын

Very well said!

In the same vein, the most famous rally quote by Colin McRae "When in doubt, go flat out" is the absolute worst approach you can have when rallying.

Senna's the fastest driver ever? I would say It's Gilles Villeneuve, if he'd been Senna's team mate Ayrton would have said " This guy is totally insane, keep him away from me". The fastest SANE driver ( meaning anyone EXCEPT Villeneuve) Jim Clark.

@karl3927

Жыл бұрын

Got to agree with you about Villeneuve's and Clark's sheer raw speed. A driver who is now often overlooked in terms of his sheer raw speed is Fangio. His pole and fastest lap ratios I believe eclipses all others includIng even Jim Clark. Fangio also has the best win ratio.

@srxt6758

Жыл бұрын

Villeneuve had 2 pole positions in his whole career. I get the guy is respected but the fastest ever? I dont agree. Did he have a raw ability? Yes no doubt he was good but the status he has today is the same reason as Senna.

This and Colin McRae's "when in doubt, flat out" are some of my least favorite quotes - at least what comes to motorsports. They are misused all the time to defend bad driving and racing.

@ThePapaja1996

Жыл бұрын

And thats is why colin mcrae have secound most dnfs in rally history

Thing is he didn't go for a gap, he went to Prost and prayed for a gap that wasn't there.

@jondonnelly4831

Жыл бұрын

That's how I understand it too.

@Fokfeesspecial

Жыл бұрын

he just rammed him off because of what happened the season before. it's not science. what the hell does it matter now??

@gianluccasimao

Жыл бұрын

@@Fokfeesspecial yes, and all of that was BS to justify what he did. People are too blinded by Senna's mythical aura to see that

@jk_46

Жыл бұрын

What people forget is that he did that to everyone. He would shut the door and expect the other driver to just lift, or shove his car in somewhere and expect the other driver to give him space even when he had no chance of passing in some cases. The 1989 shunt at Japan was senna's fault too, he dive bombed prost up the inside. It was just what he did unfortunately. I'm by no means a senna hater or fanboy but he had questionable driving like a couple greats after him also had. He was the start of the end of the gentleman era in my opinion.

@patepulkkinenvtec2403

Жыл бұрын

@@jk_46 I agree that Senna had a bad habit of crashing to other drivers, however, the 1989 Suzuka crash was definitely Prost's fault. Prost clearly intentionally shut the door on Senna, with the line Prost took he would have cut the chicane like hell.

In the movie “Senna” there is some footage where he says something like “you work your ass off to get pole and then they make you start on the dirty side of the track”. The anger was visible on his face.

@PJV1990

8 ай бұрын

Pole was always on that side of the track. Senna made a ridiculous and insane last minute demand to get the entire organisation of a GP weekend changed because it would better suit him. You can't do that. You can't change pre-arranged and agreed upon rules because it would better suit you. Imagine if Hamilton or Verstappen tried that these days? Also I really wouldn't go around quoting that Senna documentary as fact considering it is one of the most bias and factually questionable documentaries ever made. If you actually spend the time really looking into the history you'd realise just how skewed, bias and factually/historically incorrect much of that documentary is. Seriously, don't take my word for it and actually look it up/do the research. If you really are a big F1 fan you'll find it fascinating

I don't think even Senna thought his excuse for hitting Prost was a good one. But given the injustice he'd suffered from Prost and the FIA in the previous year's race, and had been subjected to already at this one, I can forgive him for losing his cool and doing what he did. It was unsportsmanlike sure, but I'm not sure I would have been able to not be that degree of angry and frustrated if I were in his shoes.

@bennylloyd-willner9667

Жыл бұрын

if not, then none of you should be pro driver, IMO. If you can't take it, then leave it To me it isn't an acceptable excuse for deliberately crashing in to another car. "But they were mean to me before..." doesn't sound professional at all to me.

@xen84

Жыл бұрын

@@bennylloyd-willner9667 You're forgetting something of crucial importance here: drama between drivers is if anything more important to the commercial success of F1, NASCAR, etc than good racing. This feud between Senna and Prost is exactly the kind of shit the fans eat up and puts asses in seats. Of course, this is the internet. Either you're a perfect saint or literally Satan. There is no morally gray area anymore. Maybe I was the foolish one to have forgotten that.

@bennylloyd-willner9667

Жыл бұрын

@@xen84I'm not sure, but I think you are telling me of in an internettish way, but I still don't think it's the way of a pro to deliberately crash into someone and then initially lie about it. If he was so frustrated by mistreatment he should protest it, but not by crashing IMO . I don't think it's in an allowable grey area to do such things. Do it in the heat of the moment perhaps, but the owe up to it immediately after and just tell the truth. Nothing wrong here, we just disagree what honesty level should be used by professionals.

@RockSolitude

Жыл бұрын

Yeah no. This ain’t it. You’re just giving him a pass again because it’s Senna.

@dclark142002

Жыл бұрын

@@bennylloyd-willner9667, if F1 wants to act like an unprofessional, chummy good ol' boys club...don't be surprised when racers act unprofessional. The root cause of the 1990 crash has everything to do with the inability for F1's leadership to provide an equitable sporting environment. If you are comfortable stacking the deck for your chosen winner...don't be surprised when other athletes find ways to stack the deck in their favor. ...and don't be surprised when the fans take the driver's side rather than yours. It's not like F1s favoritism for Prost was hidden. Everyone knew it.

I think everyone knew what Senna was thinking back then even if they don't want to admit it. "If Prost yields i gain the position, if he doesn't we both DNF and i automatically win the championship... its a win win" As amazing of a driver Senna was that famous quote has always just sounded like a person trying to save face by doubling down to me, i never bought it. But i don't particularly blame Senna either. It's ultimately the FIAs fault for not coming down harder on that type of racing. MSC also drove like this and now Verstappen does the same because it's obviously the right way to drive as long as it's permitted.

@cesco1990

Жыл бұрын

Dude, Verstappen might be good but he didn't receive any pressure. His teammate is essentially a cuckold, like Bottas was to Hamilton. And those free "lunchbreaks" also permitted Red Bull to get another very dubious title. I'm no Mercedes fan by any measure since they have been cheating since 2014 and blackmailing the FIA about the rules since then too. But all this rulebreaking stuff is making the sport very uninteresting. Verstappen might've gotten titles in his lifetimes but as of yet, I still need to see him win a title legitimately.

@phtormel

Жыл бұрын

nailed it

@luisvilleda4616

Жыл бұрын

I agree to you, specially on the second part of you comment. And the '89 championship going to Prost seemed unfair to me. I believe Prost hesitated and Senna went in.

@Thorwk1

Жыл бұрын

@@cesco1990 Wow, you've broken every record on the biggest load of bullshit someone has ever written on an F1 related topic.

@graciouscompetentdwarfrabbit

Жыл бұрын

@@luisvilleda4616 The WDC going to Prost in Japan was unfair, but still Senna needed to win in Australia to win the WDC, which he didn't. That said, he probably would've raced differently down under had his win in Japan stood (as it should've, the guy lost a shit ton of time because of the collision, and still he won the race, like, wtf)

Telemetry was showing Senna at full throttle, he would have never made the corner!

@yovanbidenovic4940

Жыл бұрын

l saw it in some sort of documentary series that he didn't lift off the throttle until the car was completely stationary

As a Brazilian, i must say, this very quote is responsible for the unfair level of criticism ALL Brazilian drivers that came after him had to endure. Barrichello, Massa, all Brazilian drivers that had any success on motorsport at all got judged by brazillian fans using this absurdly high "racing is for winning, second place is the first of losers" bar that Senna set on the sport with his approach and that he left as probably the worst part of his legacy.

I wanna leave some criticism: 1. Poor research when it comes to why Senna did this move. No word about FIA moving the pole to the dirty side after quali to favor Prost and that's just one of many relevant points (Prost crashing on purpose before, french FIA president favoring Prost, rediculous inconsistency of the dsq with similar incidents, etc). I don't wanna defend Senna, but it's necessary context that's just missing to understand his pov. Especially for that Senna quote from the following year where he admitted the crime. 2. Horrible framing to claim that the quote was a "lie" to cover up 1990. Yes, he needed to cover it up to keep the title and it's important context because the majority of the interview indeed was about Senna trying to justify his murder on Prost and therefore he was in a very stressful defending position at the time of the quote. But in that particular question Stewart made the rediculously exaggerated claim that Senna might have crashed more than all previous champions combined. So no, the quote is NOT a lie and not even remotely related to Japan. It was rather a bad spontaneous justification for being such an aggressive driver in general compared to others. 3. I honestly don't understand the video's purpose. Maybe it's just that we know different people but I've only seen drivers using this quote sarcastically as justification when knowing they're at fault. It's an hilarious meme. I con not believe that there are people out there who actually use this as serious justification for crashing. The way you interpret the quote it would be the same saying that the attacking driver can never ever be the one to blame. Nobody with serious ambitions in motorsport and some intellect would think like that. So what are we even talking about?

Prost & Balestre both were French. Senna has been given shit at the 1989 Suzuka GP so (I think) he decided to end this 1990 Suzuka GP as fast as possible. And I also believe that Schumacher did his Adelaide move because of that incident.

@keso_de_bola9174

Жыл бұрын

Aidan Millward actually did an explanation to this regarding the pole position's side on the track. Senna requested it to br transferred as to gain the racing line side. But... whether it was granted then later reverted or rejected immediately, pole position has always been on the side it is located. He actually has an explanation on why it was called "pole position" in the first place as derived from horse racing. TLDR of this, Senna lost the 1989 title to prost because of being disqualified after dive-bombing him and returning to track with Marshall assistance. So in 1990, he did the same on the first corner. Edit: Source video actually got deleted due to his issue with copyright though. He has a nice series called "Story Time" tackling things in racing.

@axemanracing6222

Жыл бұрын

@@keso_de_bola9174 Yes I know that. But what would you do, FIA is working against you and complementing your championship rival. There's nothing better at that time like wrecking the competition and let it look like it's their (Prost & FIA) fault.

@nicolasoliveira4903

Жыл бұрын

@@keso_de_bola9174 If Senna's car hadn't existed at that moment in 1989, Prost would have gone straight on the GRASS. Do you have the courage to defend that?

Im glad you did this video. I love Ayrton. So, a video like this will get you alot of hate, few people dare to talk against him. And for your thumbnail, i saw an interview of Jo Ramirez where AFTER that race, on the meeting post race, Ayrton appeared screaming and pointing "i told you people what i was about to do, you didn't listen" and as fast as he could, Ron Dennis take him out of that meeting "shut up & let's go, you are incriminating yourself" Ayrton answering him "but i did, i did told them, why they are doing this?" My humble opinion is, that day, FIA should have taken away Ayrton's license. I think they looked away because of the magnitude of Ayrton's name and because he injected life and money thru the renewed public interest in F1.

@karlsteeg4139

Жыл бұрын

agreed

@seventh-hydra

Жыл бұрын

They _did_ take his license, fined him, and disqualified him. It just happened the year before, unrightfully. They looked away because Balestre had cheated him the year before, everyone knew it. He was trying to salvage his career and hoped that if he let it slide, people would say "alright, they're even."

@jorgearg8701

Жыл бұрын

@@seventh-hydra Yes but that was a different event, if you like, unrelated to this one. Of course there was history already between him and Alain, but legally it was two different things. The year before, FIA taked out Senna with technicisms, that was written on the rules, ok. I don't think it was unrighfully, but we can argue like forever. On the other hand, Suzuka 90 was totallly on purpose, not only against sportmanship but dangerous. But at that time the legend was already alive, so... to be fair, i was thinking more about the sanction against Schumacher on 97 season.

@seventh-hydra

Жыл бұрын

@@jorgearg8701 It was a different event but like I said, that's politics. Fully legally, Senna should have been punished for his 1990 actions. But he also shouldn't have been punished in 1989. Which is why they didn't pursue anything. In a way, you can think about it as a "time served" sentence. Also it _was_ unrightful, as Balestre admitted much later in life that he'd manipulated the 1989 World Championship (Not that Prost needed it). Also in the eyes of FIA/FISA it was unrightful, which is why Balestre lost his presidency in both. I mean when the guy himself says he did it on purpose, it's not really a debate. That's not to say anything bad about Prost, one of the greatest. That was all Balestre's own doing.

@jorgearg8701

Жыл бұрын

@@seventh-hydra Politics, it ruins everything. I don't share your opinion about Ayrton 1989 sanction, but of course there is no problem. A pleasure to talk to you.

" If you no longer can give your 100% on every event, you no longer reach for perfection. " would be a more accurate reality.

The payback more expensive of all time. Why Stewart don't question to Prost about of him bended the corner early, one year before? Take advantage of the fact that he is still alive. RIP Senna.

I'm a Brit and a massive Senna fan, I was heartbroken when he died, There was just something about Ayrton that i have not seen in other drivers since his death, His last minute quali to pole laps in his McLaren were just brilliant! He put his heart, Soul and everything he had left into winning, He also gave a lot back in charity work to under privileged Brazilians living in poverty, RIP Ayrton, You are so missed mate 👍

@egj1975

Жыл бұрын

Alot of drivers put EVERYTHING into their driving. Alot of people put money and time into charity. And alot of drivers find that "last minute" when needed. He was a great driver... as are many others. But he was also a dirty driver and therefor he wont get my vote. People complain about the likes of Max... and yet Senna was 10x as bad. Max uses the rules but Senna just made his own.

@motorsportfan1246

Жыл бұрын

@@egj1975 the difference is Senna also had racecraft and could actually have a battle with someone without shoving them off, something which Max seems to struggle with. Some of the greatest single lap fights in F1 history have involved senna. If Senna was really a dirty driver like you say, then his 1993 season would be theoretically impossible.

@egj1975

Жыл бұрын

@@motorsportfan1246 A battle without shoving them of... hehe. He took out people on many occasions and he did admit it himself. He would drive into people on purpose... that IS a dirty driver. And MSC did the same thing.... these two legends were some of the worst ever when it came to aggressive and dirty driving. I have been watching F1 since 1992 (almost every single race) so I am not that new to the sport.

"All the time you should leave space" Fernando Alonso

The conversation wasn't about the 1990 incident alone. Jackie was taking about the past few years.

I was a big Senna fan back in the day. But something I later realised from listening to other drivers and reading Sennas book- is that he systematicly used intimidation and bullying as a tool on the racetrack. With Prost at Suzuka it was plain sabotage to try and win the championship, Im talking about his normal driving. He would get too close to other cars or divebomb them into corners to scare them into just giving him the position. And he would note which drivers were easily intimidated and which ones he couldnt psych out, then he'd use that to plan his overtakes. Really nasty, dirty stuff.

What shocks me most about this abuse of the quote was Martin Brundle actually using it last season during commentary. I could not believe that in 2022 someone with Brundle's knowledge and profile still thinks its a vaild quote.

@roncatman6236

Жыл бұрын

It is a valid quote. Just not in the way you think.

@alancx523

Жыл бұрын

@@roncatman6236 no, not in the way it's used.

@anthonyxuereb792

Жыл бұрын

Remember he's a commentator, that's how he makes his money so he, like others of his profession, say things out of the ordinary, not that he needs the money I wouldn't think.

@MJTAUTOMOTIVE

Жыл бұрын

@@anthonyxuereb792 , You must be new to F1 if you think he is just a commentator.

@anthonyxuereb792

Жыл бұрын

@@MJTAUTOMOTIVE Mr Brundle is in his 64th year, his glory days of racing are in the past, he does commentary for a living therefore he is just a commentator with all due respect to both him and to you. He has pedigree but he is just a commentator and I can practically guarantee that I've been following F1 before you were born and I am senior to Mr. Brundle by a bit. Thinking that I must be new to F1 is putting your head in the lion's mouth sorry and James Hunt was the best commentator in my humble opinion.

Ah the number one excuse for those people who do impossible and stupid divebomb.

Jim Clark is still my favorite driver. Mild mannered, calm under pressure, able to drive any car quickly. What a guy.

if you no longer go for a gap that no longer exists you are no longer a racing drive

Thanks for the explanations

The most famous racing driver quote ever turns out to be an attack against Jackie Sweatert. It's Sena calling Jackie a has been.

@eggselent9814

Жыл бұрын

Which is funny, as Stewart was the better all round driver

@motorsportfan1246

Жыл бұрын

@@eggselent9814 clowning. Senna was light years ahead of Stewart in any metric, and is still the greatest driver to ever step foot in a cockpit with the exception of Jim Clark.

@eggselent9814

Жыл бұрын

@@motorsportfan1246 Senna was faster, no doubt, but horrifically inconsistent and one of his titles is a joke

@motorsportfan1246

Жыл бұрын

@@eggselent9814 horrifically inconsistent how? Most of his dnfs were caused by mechanical failures and the few crashes he had were in qualifying. And let’s face it, Senna was winning that title regardless of whether he won in Japan or not. Even if Prost won in Australia Senna would’ve wrapped up the title.

@eggselent9814

Жыл бұрын

@@motorsportfan1246 I agree on that one, however you need to realize that Prost drove the same car and got prefferential treatment by McLaren and suffered WAAAAY less mechanical issues. Senna overdid it with the car. The McLaren of Senna suffered quite a few suspension failures for example, because Senna's driving style required a less fragile car. I agree on the 1990 one though.

Most people don’t realize that the interview was a game of mental chess with Stewart trying to push Senna to confess his fault and Senna trying to pivot and push the conversation away from painting him in a poor light. Senna didn’t want Stewart to interview him again because Senna knew he was losing the argument

When you rewrote sennas quote, i would suggest you should have said "before the driver turns in" rather than "reaches the apex" At the point of turn in, if youre on the limit, you are 100% commited to using all the track at your disposal, and have no time to make allowances for another racer. You need to be aware of their presence before turn in to be able to give them room

I think what makes Senna an exceptional sportsman is his pation for car racing. Forget about the myth and his skills, he has his flaws after all. At the end, he was humble to admit that he lied and asked for guidence to another excptional sportsman, Mr. Stewart. Great reflextion, Scott!

I mean it's sound advice for anyone in a position to win the Formula 1 World Drivers Championship by intentionally crashing. I was in karting when Senna was driving in F1, there was no shortage of young Italian kids driving just like him (and non Italians of course, my karting club was run by a Italian family in Canada. Wasn't many Brazilians kicking around that I can remember). One of the kids I raced against was given the nickname 'Crazy' Frankie, at like 7 years old. Man we had good times back then. At that age most of us were sending dives into turn 7 from as far back as the exit of turn 4. Young and indestructible. As an adult with bills now, I can't even imagine the pain in the wallet our parents felt watching us make passes, leaping over curbs on 2 wheels, for 4th place in a heat race. LOL.

Not to mention telemetry from the '90 crash. Legend has it that he literally kept it pinned until they came to a halt on the gravel trap.

Context matters.

Dangerous video to make. Senna is a religion for F1 fans

@f1jones544

Жыл бұрын

Dogma should always be challenged with facts.

@gustavocavalcanti86

Жыл бұрын

@@f1jones544 I agree 100% with you, but a lot of people maybe don't

THANK YOU for this, Scott. 👍🏾👍🏾

your video and analysis is very good

The thing is people idolize the greats, no matter if it's Schumi, Senna, Vettel or Hamilton and see over their mistakes as everyone of them has made them. I see a lot of Hamilton fans saying he is the goat because he is a 7 time champion and a clean one. I guess they just can't remember how much he pushed Nico of the track in 2014 and 2015, especially in 2015. His many crashes with Massa in 2011, him lying to stewars early in his career or blaiming Mercedes in 2016 that they intentionally sabotaged his car so that they can have a German world champion in Nico. When things didn't go his way he was ruthless to the team, when they did go well he was everybody's darling and so thankful and so on. I can't remember Schumi ever blaming his team. Everyone who says that Hamilton is not among the top 10 F1 drivers ever is an idiot, but Lewis is no angel either.

@magicmillz

Жыл бұрын

Seems to me your issue here is with Hamilton or you simply have no idea what you're waffling on about, i seem to remember Rosberg crashing into him and fake crashing to get on pole

@watchnocatch171

Жыл бұрын

@@magicmillz Can't remember saying that Nico was right in those cases... All I want to say is that Lewis is no different to the others.

@hamcrazy96

Жыл бұрын

@@watchnocatch171so if they’re all the same what’s the point in singling out Lewis🤔

@watchnocatch171

Жыл бұрын

@@hamcrazy96 Because it's his fans that keep saying that he is a clean champion and try to make him superior to the others.

Nice clickbait title, lol

I think what Senna was really saying is, "If you no longer go for a [path to win the championship immediately] you are no longer a racing driver." Of course, he was trying to buffalo everyone into thinking it was just a fair pass attempt, but really, "the gap" was in points, not physical space. Do you want to burn Prost at the stake and be champion right now, or do you want to risk breaking a gearbox and getting 2nd for the season? The guy who's ruthlessly programmed to get 1st, rather than 2nd or 5th, takes the Forza Public Lobby Maneuver. I love Senna. I think he was the greatest ever. But this kind of malarkey should be a serious black stain on his reputation. In my opinion, if you're no longer willing to win honorably by the stop watch, you are no longer a racing driver. Senna wasn't a racer that day in Japan.

"Senna" airing on ESPN has caused hundreds of wrecks at combined mini-golf/go-kart tracks across America where this quote was uttered as an explanation.

What happened to the last years F1 competition you were running?

This leaves out the fact that Senna won pole but was forced to start on the dirty side of the track, while Prost started on the rubbered in racing line. Senna knew that gave Prost a massive and unfair advantage making it nearly impossible for him to be ahead by turn 1. (barring a mistake by Prost) He pleaded with the organizers to switch the sides of the grid before the race to make it a fair start. Then add to that the championship hanging in the balance on a track that was famously difficult for overtaking and his frustrations from the FIA's previous year's heart-braking decision, and I believe it paints a clearer picture of Senna's mindset in the car and his ultimate decision not to yield.

@NonFlyiingDutchman

Жыл бұрын

the starting positions remained where they had always been

@eggselent9814

Жыл бұрын

Mate this is simply a myth. They had decided to change the side of Pole-Position before the race weekend. Senna and Berger then asked the Stewards to change the side of the Pole-Position. Now there are two accounts of what happened. The first one being that the Stewards first said yes, but later FIA came in to say they can't or that the stewards refused He knew already before the weekend that the Pole-man would be starting on the dirty side of the gri.

@tulipstomper

Жыл бұрын

​@Eggselent 98 Thank you, I didn't know that. Strange that they would change it right before the race, it seems almost conspiratorial. Especially in the context of the previous year's events. What do you think?

@eggselent9814

Жыл бұрын

@@tulipstomper Because they didn't. Its not too uncommon, that little changes like this are made to racetracks, so them changing the side of the grid before the race weekend was just a normal change. I think Senna realized that he had a problem and tried to give himself an advantage and the FIA denied that (for good reason) I think these conspiriacy things are a bit overblown, mainly because of Sennas actions. While the then FIA president Balestre was clearly on Prosts side, the chance of Prost winning the title by that stage was next to none, so it wouldn't really make sense for them to manipulate the grid that way.

@shi01

Жыл бұрын

@@tulipstomper Pole Position at Suzuka was originally on the right side. Look up pictures when the cars were standing in the grid the years before. It was no issue the years before, so why should it be changed?

if you dont go for a gap that didnt exist you are no longer a sim racing driver

Finally some lucid comment on this gap bs. As a Brazilian and Senna fan, this stupid thinking is something that makes me furious.

Any F1 fan should know that he took Prost out to ensure the championship like Prost did to him a year before,that quote is a good excuse for the move and since he was/is popular the quote is thill here.Still my Nr 1 driver even with his crazy moments(Schumi 2nd,Lauda 3rd,Prost 4th he should be 3rd but what Lauda wrnt through and what he did in his career gives him the edge,Alonso 5th)

@f1jones544

Жыл бұрын

If Prost tried to take Senna out in 1989, Verstappen was more at fault at Silverstone 2021. Senna tried a dive bomb grin too far back (whereas Hamilton was alongside on entry) and that rarely works in that chicane. Send tried a pass and didn't pull it off. That's on him, not Prost.

@seventh-hydra

Жыл бұрын

​@@f1jones544 It wasn't the incident Prost was at fault for. That was a classic 50/50 racing incident. What made it his fault was complaining to the stewards to get him unrightfully disqualified. Allegedly, anyways. Iirc it turned out Prost actually didn't do that, and that Balestre was just being a douche all on his own.

@eggselent9814

Жыл бұрын

This is simply wrong The 1989 title decider shouldn't have been in any kind of contention, as simply a stupid rules system was in place that was heavily favouring Senna. Without that, Prost would've already been champion The Problem is, Prost turned in too early. Instead of waiting for Prost to lose momentum and overtake him in the next corner, Senna tried to dive bomb him, causing the collision. It was 65% Sennas fault at least.

@eggselent9814

Жыл бұрын

@@seventh-hydra Even then, Senna should've been disqualified for a different reason, as he recieved a push start by the marshalls

@seventh-hydra

Жыл бұрын

@@eggselent9814 Were that the case, Balestre would have played it safe and used that as justification. But that wasn't the case, as it was the marshals who did so. They'd also tried to do the same for Prost, but his car was cooked.

The quote that has caused so many crashes at at club level racing. Fire it into the decreasing wedge last minute and say this quote in the paddock later 🙈

@MScotty90

Жыл бұрын

There's a gap six cars ahead. Send it.

So the argument could be made that the Senna/Prost collision in 1990 was in fact Jean-Marie Balestre's fault.

The key is on the "that exists". If the gap is not safe for the opponent or is illegal to dive into on that circunstances, then this gap does not exists for a racing driver. But when there is a safe gap to pass your opponent or a team mate , and they tell you on the radio to not pass, if you don't, you no longer a racing driver.

did prost paid you to make this video?

If Senna had DRS when he raced, i don't think he would've said it.

@fortijr

Жыл бұрын

He totally would have anyway. He just would have found more gaps.

And if you no longer go for a racing driver that exists, you're no longer a gap.

The quote is fine. The problem is that most people have an issue judging if a gap EXISTS or not!

Right Ayrton. Lap one, Turn One. Give us a break. Deliberate. Always thought it was and Senna won't convince me otherwise. He was too good with his hands and feet to make that move. He choked and he never lived with it. Simple.

Maybe sit back and listen to what Jackie Stewart said here "More contact with other drivers in 36-48 months than Jackie has in total", that's the difference between a smart championship driver and an overly aggressive one achieving the same goal. At least Senna admitted to it and my hast off to him for doing so. My condolences just the same to a very sad loss.

"If you no longer plough straight into the back of the car you want to overtake, you are no longer a racing driver"

I think that what he wanted to say is: you need to go for a gap that EXISTS, a gap that *can be used without getting other car off the track* A gap is no longer a gap when you ruin someone's race I take it like this, makes more sense considerating who said it was Senna

Glad someone did a video on this. Senna messed up a generation of drivers with that quote. You often hear it repeated after they do stupid moves.

In his era, that car was a nervous wreck. It was all over the place and he just pinned it and went for it. I’m thankful for the safety that is standard in this era of F1

My recollection was that, after having secured pole, pole position was then suspiciously changed to the other side of the track, the dusty side. So in Senna's mind, his hard earned pole advantage was negated, as Prost would get more traction on the clean side of the track and beat him to the corner. So he decided to go for the corner regardless of where Prost was.

@PJV1990

8 ай бұрын

No, you are completely incorrect and are just regurgitating F1/Senna doc myth. Pole position was always on that side of the grid, just look at past races at that circuit. It wasn't 'mysteriously moved just before the race'. Senna tried to get the pole position changed to the other side of the grid and was denied, therefore threw a hissy fit and blamed politics/Balestre/Prost because he didn't get his own way, despite pole always being on the dirty side at Suzuka. You can't make insane last minute demands to change the organisation of a GP because it would better suit you, then complain about a mass political conspiracy against you. Do you think Senna would've whined about changing the pole position if he qualified second? Nope. I'm so fed up of this BS mythical status that Senna has (especially after that doc, which is one of the most bias and factually incorrect documentaries I've ever seen as a F1 fan) that has completely twisted the truth and replaced it with lies, mythology and BS.

@andrewkb5211

8 ай бұрын

@@PJV1990 Thanks for the info, but I'm still a dedicated Senna fan! 😁. Have been since the early 90s, and also a Mansell fan. I do agree that the Senna film was biased and made Prost the villian. Fun fact, Prost and Ron Dennis discussed who should be the next team mate. Prost suggested they get one the new young guns, wanting what was best for the team, and he either recommended Senna or agreed he was the best choice.

Senna had no gap in 1990, but he did have a grudge against the stewards pole and racing line position. He also had a grudge against the politics of what transpired in Suzuka 1989. In politics and racing, you might have to get your hands dirty.

@CelicaSainz

Жыл бұрын

It's all about the '89

a lot of people think hes overrated but he was actually a very special driver -burger40

@alancx523

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Yeah, Senna was the greatest of his era. He was sill a class A prick. You can be both!!!!

@Eat-MyGoal

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@@alancx523 A 'Class A prick' doesn't stop his car while a race is ongoing to jump out - run across the track - and help a driver in peril like Senna did for Comas. Senna was a far more complicated character than the picture of it you paint...

@alancx523

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@@Eat-MyGoal yes. And?

@alancx523

Жыл бұрын

@@Eat-MyGoal are you ok Hun? I agree with you. Maybe get your fanboi hands out of your Senna pants for a bit and have think.....

@Eat-MyGoal

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@@alancx523 My point is pretty obvious, and if you can't understand why such an act of selfless bravery is not that of a 'Class A Prick' I can't help you. Of course, you're gonna double-down on your senseless and inaccurate observation, and keep liking your own comments but Senna was a complicated character. Much more complicated than you credit him. But then, you come across as pretty simple so I can understand why you struggle to see nuance in others...

You missed one point. The other reason Senna was upset in 1990 was that he had pole position and pole was moved to the dirty part of the track so Prost, who was second had the clean line. In other words Senna was screwed for a second time on top of the 1989 debacle.

*_"If you no longer go for a gap that exists, you're no longer a racing driver, you are lord mahaveer."_*

Senna had been robed in 89 and was being robed again by Prost and Balestre after they changed the P1 side. He did what he had to do. And if Stewart was an honest person, he would have asked how Senna's fell being robed two times consecutively by them, but i guess he just wanted to choose a side and not loose his credentials.

Senna was an absolutely amazing driver but also had some mega personality flaws. Not talking to Stewart ever again, shows an immaturity in social skills. But behind the wheel, was willing to do anything to win, even skirt the rules. This quote were talking about has been an "excuse" in the Simulator community as well. Over a decade ago I remember people on iRacing using it as an excuse for their shitty decisions.

My iRacing signature reads: Anyone that quotes Senna "If you no longer go for a gap that exists you are no longer a racing driver" can usually be counted on to go for a gap that isn't there. ;)

"If you've not gone for a gap that never existed, you're no longer Lance Stroll."

People forget that, as the overtaking driver it’s your job to make the pass in a safe manner.

I'm a huge fan of the channel but this script perversely tells the story in a way to put Senna as the villain. He never intended to make the corner and that was the brave thing to do. To actually tell the this story I'd recommend starting with the influence that Prost had over Jean-Marie Balestre. They never played it clean and Prost crashing into Senna in 89 was the last straw. Hard times make strong man. Senna was not only the most talented driver in the sport but also a man of character. If you want to know what Senna really meant on that phrase: If you know longer command respect, people will walk over you. And off-course, he didn't let it happen.

It's also worth noting that Senna wasn't happy that pole position was on the dirty side of the track which then disadvantaged Senna Hence his remark that if Prost beat him off the line as a result he would create that situation at T1

@russotusso1695

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The idea of pole being on dirty side is a lie m8, it was there before

@DaveMcKeegan

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@@russotusso1695 My mistake, Pole was still on the dirty side as it was against the pit wall whereas the rubber was all on the opposite side Which had caused Senna to lose out to Prost in exactly the same manner in 89 - which then led to their collision later in the race and Sennas subsequent DQ that gave Prost the title, so could be that which Senna was unhappy about, that they wouldnt move pole to the clean side

He did say, "gap that exists" and that gets shorted to just gap when people are quoting him

Oh dear, you just wait for the Brazilian fanboys to pop up in this comment section...😁

So basically Senna did exactly what Hamilton did at Silverstone in 2021 and he's wrong but Lewis is a hero. r...i..g..h...t...

@PbPomper

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It depends on who you ask. If you ask BBC, then yes. People are very bad at looking situations objectively and in context. The same goes for the BS that Max has become more mature. No, he just got a better car compared to his rivals meaning he needed to take much less risk. Same goes for Lewis in his era of dominance. I have ZERO doubt that there will be a lot of confrontations again when two "mature" drivers are fighting head-to-head for the title. Edit: ow, this is exactly what he said later on in this video.

@AZBCDEE

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Found whingestappen fangirl still crying on two years later

@doctorevil5752

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@@AZBCDEE found: salty hamster toothless fangirl still can't come to grips with her diva losing the championship

@f1jones544

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Hamilton braked and turned into the corner after being alongside at corner entry. Senna didn't brake and he didn't turn and was never alongside. Nice try though.

@doctorevil5752

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@F1Jones Hamilton understeered straight into verstappen's car....on-board video shows that clearly. Steering angle didn't correspond with the direction he was going=understeer. Which means he was taking too much speed into the corner and didn't brake sufficiently.