The Most Important Background Vocals Trick

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Artist: Brave Holiday
Song Title: Just Kids
Producer:Andrew Bergthold
In this episode of MakeMineMusic, Marc Daniel Nelson shows a sneaky but extremely
effective trick to get your background vocals to stay under the lead which in turn makes
the lead vocal even stronger. Follow along as he shows you step by step. Is this the most
important Background vocals trick?
This trick has saved Marc an incredible amount of time when trying to get the clarity needed to get the background vocals sit up front, and behind the lead vocals, without sounding brash or like they are taking over the main lead vocal.
The song used to demonstrate this trick is “Just Kids” by Andrew Bergthold
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  • @Producelikeapro
    @Producelikeapro2 жыл бұрын

    What do YOU do when mixing vocals? Comment below!

  • @rrdream2400

    @rrdream2400

    2 жыл бұрын

    for certain songs, I have rolled off the high end on all the backups, like over 5k

  • @mobthegamer5391

    @mobthegamer5391

    2 жыл бұрын

    I use a similar trick but using a plugin called TrackSpacer by WavesFactory, which ducks down the frequencies to make room for the source to poke out, it's almost like sidechain compression but less "squashy".

  • @me1k0r

    @me1k0r

    2 жыл бұрын

    I mostly despair...:-)

  • @timball8429

    @timball8429

    2 жыл бұрын

    DS-ing is definitely something I do but never thought about a multiband side chained from the main Vox. Good idea. Thanks! One thing I do is more in tracking getting the BVs sung from further away (like 18 inches or more depending on the style). This makes less work for the compressor. Less sibilants, plosives and proximity affect.

  • @updown5238

    @updown5238

    2 жыл бұрын

    Clip gaining the vocal helps where needed helps hit the vocal compressor in a more even, better fashion - and a bit of tape delay on the vox is nice too.

  • @timelias3738
    @timelias37382 жыл бұрын

    As a jingle singer in the 70's and 80's, it was common to drop "esses" as a bg singer. Cleaned up splashy esses without de essers

  • @Producelikeapro

    @Producelikeapro

    2 жыл бұрын

    Indeed! I often make sure BV singers either don’t sing them or I will mute them or bring them down afterwards

  • @blqckpop

    @blqckpop

    2 жыл бұрын

    With Melodyne one can just completely remove the Ss from the BVs. Since you don’t need more than one S across the entire vocals you can adjust that one S how you like. But of course , great advice here, Great work Marc!

  • @danepaulstewart8464

    @danepaulstewart8464

    11 ай бұрын

    YES! The lost skill that EVERY jingle singer in Chicago all knew how to do in the 1980’s. Lost knowledge is a real thing. It’s not limited to Roman Road Building.

  • @RaphaelLoopro

    @RaphaelLoopro

    5 ай бұрын

    I actually remove it with fade ins but also sing backings without ts and sses

  • @ericjvalentine
    @ericjvalentine2 жыл бұрын

    Just a friendly heads up! Andrew Bergthold is a friend, and he was the producer on this. The artist is actually Brave Holiday. Just want to give them credit too. Thanks for a great video!

  • @madmuso5
    @madmuso52 жыл бұрын

    I always automate the level of S's and P's almost all the way down if the BVs and main vocals are singing the exact same parts. As long as they are present in the main vocal your ear doesnt notice.

  • @TECTONICSMASH

    @TECTONICSMASH

    Жыл бұрын

    Simple and effective. Automation can solve most problems that people try to fix with fancy effects processing.

  • @TheUndoneOrchestra
    @TheUndoneOrchestra Жыл бұрын

    So grateful for Produce Like a Pro in helping us to sit at the feet of these talented engineers...thank you Marc for participating.

  • @AlexeySolovievMusic
    @AlexeySolovievMusic2 жыл бұрын

    Love all videos with Marc! Thank you so much Warren for inviting only the Best to the party!

  • @RoryButlerMusic
    @RoryButlerMusic2 жыл бұрын

    Finally getting round to watching this and it's the perfect time for this trick. Working on a mix where the artist thought my approach to the backing vocals was too present and I think this will be a godsend in tucking some of the harshness back!

  • @matthewsweet5232
    @matthewsweet52322 жыл бұрын

    What a great technique! Thanks @ProduceLikeAPro for these mini-classes!

  • @teddinardo8944
    @teddinardo89442 жыл бұрын

    thank you for another great show, Produce like a Pro has to be the best for producers on KZread

  • @davejohnsonmusic
    @davejohnsonmusic2 жыл бұрын

    What a cool trick. I just found a new problem and fix to look out for. This dude mixes some great tracks. He's so good.

  • @calvinschatzke5899
    @calvinschatzke58992 жыл бұрын

    This trick also seems to add a lot of sweet dynamic variance between the front and backing vox. Awesome!

  • @rickdeaguiar-musicreflecti7692
    @rickdeaguiar-musicreflecti76922 жыл бұрын

    Excellent advice. Thank you so much for taking the time Mark :)

  • @mikaanttila9251
    @mikaanttila92512 жыл бұрын

    Thank you again MDN - excellent tip for free. And you don't only control the "s" with MB compression. At the same time you control high frequencies and this way send the background vocal further and create more space for lead vocal.

  • @Joey-rp5vg
    @Joey-rp5vg2 жыл бұрын

    Smashing video Marc. Thanks very much. Keep them coming

  • @GoldTopDeluxe70
    @GoldTopDeluxe702 жыл бұрын

    You share such practical and useful techniques I am always impressed with the depth of knowledge you are putting into your work. Thank you, thank you, thank you…

  • @nigell.8705
    @nigell.87054 ай бұрын

    Nobody is talking about the awesome lighting, color palette, and color contrast of your video. They're awesome.

  • @starsandguitars2050
    @starsandguitars20502 жыл бұрын

    Thank you. I really gain insight from your tutorials. Truly thankful.

  • @MixingInActionStudios
    @MixingInActionStudios2 ай бұрын

    Love having this knowledge to come to when i need it the most. This just helped improve the current mix im working on. Thanks Marc. Thanks for sharing

  • @billyjoebobjimjr
    @billyjoebobjimjr2 жыл бұрын

    Awesome tip! Thanks Marc!

  • @abelhopson9785
    @abelhopson97852 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the detailing tips ,its really helpful

  • @MarkNordeen
    @MarkNordeen2 жыл бұрын

    Another super informative video from Marc. A technique that I will be using.

  • @MusiclyricsByECDaleyC
    @MusiclyricsByECDaleyC2 жыл бұрын

    Great tip, you always bring the goods! Thank you....

  • @frederickthorne2496
    @frederickthorne24962 жыл бұрын

    brilliant! this is so helpful. thank you!

  • @misterjohnnymusic
    @misterjohnnymusic2 жыл бұрын

    Very creative. Years of experience guides to the top!

  • @urigelman2182
    @urigelman21822 жыл бұрын

    Nice trick! Cool and quick way to get the BGVs to play nice with the Lead Vox.

  • @martinnomade
    @martinnomade2 жыл бұрын

    You always learn something new, thank you!

  • @timflatus
    @timflatus2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for that big fat clue!

  • @whatafterthis
    @whatafterthis2 жыл бұрын

    Great tip as always, thanks!

  • @jloiben12
    @jloiben122 жыл бұрын

    This is a phenomenal idea

  • @andrecarvalhomusic
    @andrecarvalhomusic2 жыл бұрын

    Marc is AMAZING!

  • @erhanbilge8442
    @erhanbilge84422 жыл бұрын

    Always feel smarter after your videos thanks a bunch!

  • @NICUofficial
    @NICUofficial2 жыл бұрын

    Wow that is a THICCCCC mix, good hearing these tips, not what I expected to get what I clicked in, but gonna be massively helpful since I"m producing AND tracking AND writing AND singing on my next album for NICU... boutta head back into the home recording booth to start working on background vocals for the album's main single. This gives me some great ideas about what I can expect to adjust in production vs. what I need to think about when coming up with cool vocal harmonies.. helps alot.

  • @briankingart
    @briankingart2 жыл бұрын

    Doctor (MD) Nelson does it again, magic vocals! Thank you Dr.

  • @akosiniroh
    @akosiniroh2 жыл бұрын

    as always, great content!

  • @philfyphil
    @philfyphil2 жыл бұрын

    Just the concept opens up all kinds of ideas for controlling other frequencies.

  • @Producelikeapro

    @Producelikeapro

    2 жыл бұрын

    Exactly!

  • @antcall6779
    @antcall67792 жыл бұрын

    I get such a huge smile when I hear that intro music! Marc you are my hero and my favorite mixer. Great info as usual my friend 🤘

  • @christianbeale
    @christianbeale2 жыл бұрын

    wrapping up an LP mix right now and this was the EXACT thing that my BV bus needed. thanks for the trick as always ya'll!

  • @Producelikeapro

    @Producelikeapro

    2 жыл бұрын

    Fantastic!

  • @allpdmusic
    @allpdmusic2 жыл бұрын

    Very cool Marc! Thanks!

  • @tutubeos
    @tutubeos2 жыл бұрын

    Very clever. Thank you!

  • @FavioMagnoGuitarrista
    @FavioMagnoGuitarrista2 жыл бұрын

    "You are the champion" Marc Daniel Nelson: Humility, Simplicity and Immeasurable Talent in 8 '. Thanks Warren !!! PLAP: "The best channel in real life" Blessings!

  • @Producelikeapro

    @Producelikeapro

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks ever so much Favio!! You Rock!!

  • @FavioMagnoGuitarrista

    @FavioMagnoGuitarrista

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Producelikeapro Your Rock Warren! Blessings and good weekend !!!

  • @Producelikeapro

    @Producelikeapro

    2 жыл бұрын

    You’re very kind Favio!

  • @jamesjames77777
    @jamesjames777775 ай бұрын

    THANK YOU Brother!! I do something similar with Bass, only side chain the bottom end, but never thought to do it on vocals. Doing this on a record right now, you just saved me a load of time! X

  • @fulstaak
    @fulstaak5 ай бұрын

    That's a pretty smart technique. Thanks for sharing.

  • @G-Doggy
    @G-Doggy2 жыл бұрын

    I see a new MDN or Warren video, and I get my notebook out. Another great tip. Thank you!

  • @bobbykanemusictube
    @bobbykanemusictube2 жыл бұрын

    I am most certainly going to try this. It's a great idea.

  • @DarrenWinklerMusic
    @DarrenWinklerMusic2 жыл бұрын

    Fantastic tip!

  • @assshakerstudios549
    @assshakerstudios5492 жыл бұрын

    Great trick! Time saver for sure!

  • @LizardWizard_
    @LizardWizard_2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the tip! 👍🏼

  • @dominiksikulec3454
    @dominiksikulec34542 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Marc ❤️

  • @splashesin8
    @splashesin82 жыл бұрын

    🙌🏻😀Thank you Marc!

  • @updown5238
    @updown52382 жыл бұрын

    Marc you're the man!

  • @kidwave1
    @kidwave12 жыл бұрын

    This is an amazing technique!

  • @surgerywithoutknives2353
    @surgerywithoutknives23532 жыл бұрын

    Top stuff … as usual 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

  • @silversteelstudio
    @silversteelstudio Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for sharing this trick

  • @kazlee7985
    @kazlee7985 Жыл бұрын

    Greatly improved my bcks! thank u brother

  • @poochfazos
    @poochfazos9 ай бұрын

    What a fire lesson thank you

  • @montysweetmusic3458
    @montysweetmusic3458Ай бұрын

    Very very useful tip. Thank you so much for sharing

  • @timmsky
    @timmsky2 жыл бұрын

    Who are the philistines who give this man a thumbs down? For shame... Marc, once again your expertise rocks my world. Thankyou man, thank you!

  • @audiospectra

    @audiospectra

    2 жыл бұрын

    Unfortunately, you can impress everyone. Some people will always find fault in everything.

  • @FredGuits
    @FredGuits2 жыл бұрын

    You can have 1 background do the S… and the others use a TH on the S as if lisping…. You can also direct the background singers except for 1 to just mis-pronounce and leave of the S completely off the word…instead of sun (un) … sounds ridiculous but it absolutely works and uses less processing

  • @massivebeatzz

    @massivebeatzz

    2 жыл бұрын

    that means telling them to behave like Frankenstein...or comedians...going to be hard to sustain over longer periods of time.

  • @Skykingsound
    @Skykingsound2 жыл бұрын

    Can we get a video just showing off the Fairchild? BTW, great process and perfect timing as I have a few songs with 3-part background vocals.

  • @Producelikeapro

    @Producelikeapro

    2 жыл бұрын

    Marvellous idea!

  • @jossuecastaneda8135

    @jossuecastaneda8135

    2 жыл бұрын

    UnfairChild

  • @petercutler3136
    @petercutler31362 жыл бұрын

    Nice One. Thanks.

  • @kendallhoulder5139
    @kendallhoulder51392 жыл бұрын

    Mixing Multiple Tracks like this...CLICK ON THE VIDEO BOOM !!!! YOU SOLVED THE PROBLEM I WAS HAVING...THANK YOU BRO!!!

  • @mixedbykg8885
    @mixedbykg88852 ай бұрын

    Great technique

  • @miamisynthwave
    @miamisynthwave Жыл бұрын

    Thanks a million, really good trick. :-)

  • @Alien-qw5ks
    @Alien-qw5ks2 жыл бұрын

    The ducking of certain frequencies by side chaining is a very useful trick. Ideas triggered! Thnx :-)

  • @MaxFury_Official
    @MaxFury_Official2 жыл бұрын

    It's almost an jawdropping reaction on this genius trick! Why did i never think about that? I usually just cut out the S's and drop them in volume, Haha

  • @brucedickert5411

    @brucedickert5411

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hey, don't worry. That is another great way to address this situation. I'm not entirely convinced that it would take THAT much longer anyways. I do the same thing.

  • @Alienor-music

    @Alienor-music

    2 жыл бұрын

    Same here.

  • @brettjockell6611

    @brettjockell6611

    2 жыл бұрын

    I am old and feeble so I watched it twice...oh hell yeah...cool trick. I'm curious since I dont have that particular plugin......what is the lo pass cut off and slope you used on that band? Great move!

  • @Producelikeapro

    @Producelikeapro

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes, simple, but effective!

  • @moyrmixhub54

    @moyrmixhub54

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@brettjockell6611 The cutoff is set to about 3.7k and it looks like the default slope of 24db/oct.

  • @Bring_MeSunshine
    @Bring_MeSunshine2 жыл бұрын

    I'll take that. Thank you very much

  • @emilianovillavedra6979
    @emilianovillavedra69792 жыл бұрын

    Super pro tip!

  • @LasseHuhtala
    @LasseHuhtala2 жыл бұрын

    Indeed a neat trick.

  • @mdemartial2670
    @mdemartial2670 Жыл бұрын

    Super tricks THX

  • @wagnergarcia2011
    @wagnergarcia2011 Жыл бұрын

    The king Nelson!

  • @mandoaries
    @mandoaries Жыл бұрын

    im gonna try this!

  • @philippgrunert8776
    @philippgrunert87762 жыл бұрын

    Great Tipp

  • @pinkpalmsmusic
    @pinkpalmsmusic Жыл бұрын

    yes sir!❤️

  • @michaelsstatement
    @michaelsstatement2 жыл бұрын

    Amazing 🤘

  • @dk60ish
    @dk60ish2 ай бұрын

    Cool song!

  • @butterfly2385
    @butterfly23852 жыл бұрын

    Cool...I enjoyed that song...has a nice vibe...✌💜😃🎸🎤🎧🎹

  • @uniquerecords5034
    @uniquerecords50342 жыл бұрын

    But I sidechain a lot kick-bass, or others things when needed! But it is a cool trick!! Always great to see!! Thanks guys!!

  • @aeiplanner
    @aeiplanner2 жыл бұрын

    It would be great if you could do a vocal processing chain step by step on this track. I think this is what most people shoot for in terms of getting the vocals to sit properly in the mix.

  • @theMarcoBarosi
    @theMarcoBarosi2 жыл бұрын

    I wanna be Marc when I grow up

  • @m.o.n.d.e.g.r.e.e.n
    @m.o.n.d.e.g.r.e.e.n2 жыл бұрын

    learned this the hard way esp because i was recording bv's with a 2db high shelf. the buildup was nasty and i didnt realise until id tracked them all. my crude on-the-fly idea was just to cut the sybs really aggressively on all but one or two of the bv tracks. this way is obv way more profesh so thanks for that

  • @andytullis8736
    @andytullis87362 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting.........thank you

  • @jamespark5842
    @jamespark58422 жыл бұрын

    Thanks 👌

  • @pinkpalmsmusic
    @pinkpalmsmusic Жыл бұрын

    yes sir!👌

  • @coalshedfamily8394
    @coalshedfamily83942 жыл бұрын

    Thx you learned alot

  • @Producelikeapro

    @Producelikeapro

    2 жыл бұрын

    Glad to hear it

  • @zavaudioproduction
    @zavaudioproduction2 жыл бұрын

    Amazing...

  • @trevortjes
    @trevortjes2 жыл бұрын

    Damn, this technique sounds so logical now. When trying to keep the backing vocals in the back, I thought it was a good idea to run a transient controller over them to kill the transients which tend to stand out in the mix where you don't want them, but I never got great results with it.

  • @Producelikeapro

    @Producelikeapro

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes! Agreed 100%!

  • @Knardsh

    @Knardsh

    2 жыл бұрын

    I just tried this today actually. Also didn’t work very well.

  • @Producelikeapro

    @Producelikeapro

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Knardsh yes, using transient control really is putting a bandaid on a gaping wound!

  • @pb3662
    @pb36627 ай бұрын

    @Producelikeapro What "in-ear" monitors does Marc use? You see them in a lot of videos so I assume they work well for him but it wasn't covered in the studio tour and I cant find any information elsewhere?

  • @timoteooo94
    @timoteooo946 ай бұрын

    It’s all about the ear! Another secret is to have one track with no effects. Also panning helps too and flangers. Just gotta kno how to level it.

  • @marc_leblanc
    @marc_leblanc2 жыл бұрын

    Great tip from MDN. Plus his name is Marc, can't go wrong there!! LMAO

  • @samkenny3075
    @samkenny30752 жыл бұрын

    Fantastic idea!... dammit, I wish I woulda thought of that! Seems so obvious once you said it

  • @anthonypfranco
    @anthonypfranco2 жыл бұрын

    I have done similar with fabfilter Pro Q-3 using side chain and dynamic eq. Any advantage one vs. the other?

  • @chike1866
    @chike18662 жыл бұрын

    I can totally relate. Esses in delays too can be annoying.

  • @lancecollins5074
    @lancecollins5074 Жыл бұрын

    thank you

  • @Producelikeapro

    @Producelikeapro

    Жыл бұрын

    You're welcome

  • @thebrooklyngardenclub225
    @thebrooklyngardenclub22527 күн бұрын

    impressive

  • @nashse7en
    @nashse7en8 ай бұрын

    Bro i never though about that "deess in the backVocals" never even saw nobody talking about it. Wow thats a good and simple trick.

  • @Producelikeapro

    @Producelikeapro

    8 ай бұрын

    Marvellous!

  • @jefwilson6695
    @jefwilson66952 жыл бұрын

    I wish that you could elaborate on "keying it". -I think that you're creating a side chain de-esser, using the main vox as a trigger to reduce top freqs of bgrnd vox; and "keying it" is glossed over, and I suspect that it tops the important aspects of this process.

  • @melo3101

    @melo3101

    Жыл бұрын

    The key is the source that triggers a certain effect : in that case the key is the lead vocal

  • @nashse7en
    @nashse7en7 ай бұрын

    Hi just a quick question. In this case the backVocals also have a Deeser, but since they all are singing the same "Ss" it'll become a harsh when the lead+backVocals are mixed?

  • @imado1999
    @imado19992 жыл бұрын

    the fairchild in the background is all what im looking at

  • @RandyWillcox
    @RandyWillcox2 жыл бұрын

    That's great! It seems like it should be obvious, yet, here I am... 🤯

  • @livintolearn7053
    @livintolearn7053 Жыл бұрын

    "It doesn't sound very pleasant" Meanwhile, it's better than anything I have ever produced XD

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