Mate, you are providing free entertainment, insights into the innerworkings of GW, a free discord server, a place were people can share their struggles, free mental support and encouragement for a lot of people who truely needs it. All of that while working as a teacher, being a farther and taking care of you family. _Don't ever_ feel like you have to apologise for the length of videos, upload schedule or any of that nonsense. Thank you for what you do- though we may not see eye to eye on all subjects, I greatly respect what you have accomplished and the person you strive to be. Here is to Tikkun Olam and your part in it.

Going to have to call you out about any nation that did slavery didnt kill 6 million people, look up King Leopold of Belgium.

as much as i'd like to agree with the tank shoving up the ass i'd advise against doing anything physical..... last thing you want is a criminal record from some wannabe not see :9

That first story, I have to completely disagree with the hypothesis that men always want a bigger house, or car, or promotion because we have a drive to provide for the people we love. Where I live and teach is a mining town. Families move here and over years the father's on the family move up in the mining company, and they get big boats, big cars, big houses etc. And without fail, once they have more money than they know what to do with, they start cheating on their missus. When my colleagues explained this to me I thought it was a bit of a joke and maybe it's happened enough times to become a bit of a town joke. A couple years I've realised it's actually a chronic problem, and we see the effect this has on the young boys we teach. I don't know what the point of me saying this was, just that the drive for more is about status and ego.

21:33 correct me if I'm wrong but from what I know of German tanks, they didn't even put the ol' bendy cross on their tanks? It was more often the iron cross. Pretty dodge if he's finding excuses to slap them everywhere he can, even when, historically, the Germans wouldn't have.

Bit of a dangerous precedent to imply you should dole out beatings to those who offend you..ostracise and insult by all means but remember what you call consequences are and should not be immune to their own consequences, i.e an assault charge, think it was dialled back a bit towards the end of the vid, but still, before anyone gets carried away with it

@BrandonL337

Жыл бұрын

eh, I think a hard slap from across the gaming table, or a tank yeeted into a wall is a far lighter 'find-out' to this dipshit's brand of 'fuck around' maybe they'd learn to behave better before someone less patient really beats the lesson into them.

22:00 Don't forget that the German army was conscripted. You can imagine what happens if you say "Oh, but I don't want to be conscripted, I don't want to fight for Mr Austrian Man, and I'm scared of guns" or whatever. Unlike the Americans who patriotically joined of their own volition (and probably the pay too).

I remember hearing a story about a US WWII veteran that served during The Battle of the Bulge, who observed a group of table top gamers reenact that battle in a historic game like Bolt Action. One of the gamers went up to the Veteran and asked how he felt about people turning events he lived through into a game. The veteran’s answer was along the lines of “you know, I had a lot of buddies fight and die in that war, and if it’s games like this that keep their memory alive, I’m all for it.” That’s what games like Bolt Action are about to me, keeping the memory alive of the service men and women that gave their’s for people like us. So to then hear a story about some fuckwit dickhead that uses a game like Bolt Action to live out some edgelord power fantasy disgusts me. It’s people like him that give historic gamers a bad name, and if I had to play him, it would be the one and only time I’d be tempted to break someone else’s models.

I mean german tanks didn't really have that cross on often either like there is a very specific cross that is still used today on vehicles

@BrandonL337

Жыл бұрын

yeah, I was gonna say, pretty sure that didn't get put on tanks much, that'd honestly where I'd tell him to fuck off, but it's understandable if you don't know that that's not even historically accurate, everything after that, yeah, should have packed shit up the moment they translated the german text.

@samuraiway11

Жыл бұрын

@@BrandonL337 oh yeah no for sure. as some one who's great grand father fought in that war and grand uncle survived the camps i probably would be sitting in a cell after translating them

@mattygee37

Жыл бұрын

They sometimes had the swastika on the rear deck of armoured vehicles in north Africa so their own side in dive bombers wouldn't friendly fire them, as in the dust and desert of north Africa from the air all those tanks look pretty similar on both sides. Oh the symbol of the Africa korp that was stenciled on tanks and vehicles is a swastika and a palm tree 🌴 .

I may enjoy the stories from Hobby Nightmares, but without any doubt a lot are fake, the one about Bolt-Action is fake without any doubt, and even if is true, I bet the person who send it was totally partial. We already had some stories that I felt that whoever sent it did their best to look like a good person, while the other got turned into an antagonist or movie villain.

I'm looking into getting some bolt action stuff myself and want to collect a German army, I just love the looks of them not to mention I've been a bit of a ww2 nerd since my middle school days (I just hit my fourth decade a few months ago). Was watching KZread videos on it and stumbled across a video midwinter minus did that showed them painting a German and British tank. His whole outlook on it was that he didn't even want to paint the panzer because it was german and in his eyes from what gathered from his rant was that anyone that played german armies was a bad person. I'm pretty laid back but that video upset me in the fact people are being judged by what they prefer to play. I'm not defending mr skinhead in the least and I would have just picked up my models and left. I enjoy edgy and dark humor but what that guy was doing did not fall under that category. I do think you came down on bobbie a little hard though. Not everyone is comfortable with confronting someone

@trajanthegreat2928

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that was a terrible take from Midwinter Minis.

Lad, I was outside the Lidl the other day and some crack head was dropping N-bombs on black families as they were walking in and out. I told him politely to cease his rantings, which he declined to do and he then explained what he would do to me. I told him he may test that assumption at his leisure, which he did. After he peeled himself off the pavement, the local constabulary arrived and investigated the incident. No further action was taken against me, him however, I have no idea.

25:40 This is a troublesome complicated topic. You don't want legal consequences for what is being "said" but vigilante justice? So you don't want consequence violence against the wrong things being "said"? - The problem here is that technically speaking, the legal system has been invented in order to make vigilante justice, mob justice not necessary anymore because that is a very volatile, emotionally driven thing that tends escalate beyond its good intentions. It does become necessary again when the legal system fails or works against its own people, but that's another topic. Incitement to violence, including genocide, is not mere speech and opinion anymore. It is an action beyond that. "I only gave the order to shoot, I didn't shoot anyone!" doesn't work well as an excuse, does it? In Germany we developed the term "Schreibtischtäter" from the atrocities of the Nazis and after them the Socialists in East Germany. It roughly translates as "workdesk-perpetratror" or "office-perpetrator." Death through bureaucracy can have many faces, including the passive aggressive and covert ones. Knowing British humor, the British people are quite familiar with the concept. Glorification of genocide is the lifeboat of vessel that is incitement, hence we treat it it the same. Or I thought we would. Given recent events, our Socialist run government is not clamping down calls for genocide about the specific form that is written into our constitution when done by a certain group of people.The Left was never against Antisemitism, they just had to pretend to after the Nazis were condemned for it. Who would have voted for any Socialist Party had they been honest about their beliefs and warped logic? Just read their heroes, Marx and Engels: It's always been there in just that way.

I think your position is about right. I love dark, edgelord humour but there's a time and a place where it's more appropriate. Herr Retard in the story probably has a friend group where they one up eachother on this kind of thing, and that's fine. It becomes an issue when you lose sight of what normal standards look like.

What made me get into Bolt Action was its historical aspect, both the good and the bad. Its why I am now collecting am army of each participant of the African campaign as i find it one of the more interesting parts of ww2.

@Stuffandstuff974

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, the Africa campaign was the least warcrimey

@rjlarose5271

Жыл бұрын

@@Stuffandstuff974 well outside the shorts the commonwealth had.

23:00 Also, while you mention never having seen slogans on German tanks, neither have I. More importantly, I am not sure what the author meant by "wonky crosses" at the beginning. Since he found it relevant to mention he likely means "the happy windmill." That was not painted on tanks either, as the symbol of the German army has been the Iron Cross since Prussian times and has carried through to this day. They didn't have two symbols on them. So if this guy the author played replaced the Iron Cross with the "happy windmill" that says everything about him.

@HO-bndk

3 ай бұрын

German armour occasionally had girlfriends' names, or the vehicle's nickname and a very few had "heraldic" symbols. But never "political slogans". That was more of a Soviet thing.

I dislike the "Why, are you Jewish?" Argument. As if it would be better to be joking behind their back. If you can't tell a "joke" to someone, it probably isn't a joke.

Considering you’re from across the pond and you’re like “well if somebody says something, I don’t like you can smack him across the face.” It’s good thing you stay across the pond

@master_pretzel8536

Жыл бұрын

There’s a difference between smacking someone over a differing opinion, and smacking someone because they’re an Anti Semitic edge lord dickhead.

@NapoleonicWargaming

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it was a moronic thing to say

If I had known how my wife and I having kids would have shafted my hobbylife, we'd still have had kids. They're way more fun than hobby.

In order to get how military personnel of WW2 Germany saw the doctrine... A pretty decent depiction would be "Das Boot". Movie or book... The set of characters is very interesting and the way war inflicts them and their view. It definitely is a movie where one can't really route for a side. It's a movie where one gets to know charakters. Some are likeable. Some are icky. But in the end one just wants the people to survive for survivals sake and one feels with both the U-boat crew and the crews of the merchant vessels they hunt.

I am a fan from Israel, and this episode was really amazing to hear! Keep spreading positive messages man, this is what we all about ❤

I wouldn't play against that guy either, but i see it a bit different. I live by the motto 'i don't discriminate anyone by not making fun of them.' I think if you always tiptoe around some people because they belong to a minority, you exclude them from that and kinda treat them like a third wheel. humor can break a lot of barriers when it is used in taste. When i wrote the above, i didn't finish the story. that person is a shitbag, and everything and everything he says and does is just showing what a piece of shit he is. All those comments are way over the line. If it is an immersive game, where everyone is dressed like the general of their army, maybe, but not in public and definitely not in front of children/ families. What i meant above the worst is about stereotypical behavior, not open antisemitism, like that guy was showing. For example i have to wear a tie for work, but i suck at tieing one, so i always ask the Brittish coworker to tie it for me, because it is one of the most Brittish skills. When it comes to tabletop i got a few of the old metal chaos sorcerers with the hood for my Chaos Slaanesh army (fantasy), where i painted the hood white. It is mostly as a tactical thought. People who think thats offensive might specifically target said sorcerer, while lacking focus on other parts of the table.

20:10 Yeah, if you did this in Germany you'd be facing a judge. Exploitation and relativization of atrocities such as this is almost never done in good faith but almost always for ulterior motives. Disingenuous people measure things units of holocausts and Hitlers to garner sympathy from their audience for their causes. When an atrocity is beyond the threshold it is beyond the threshold. That is in the nature of atrocity. Any dick-measuring contest about the detailed stats of one against the other is questionable at best, relativization of the "lesser" or embellishment of the intended topic (in this case slavery, and these types never talk about on the Eastern routes, who did the enslaving, who ended and actively fought slavery and where it is still practiced today. Thus it is always disingenuous) usually. Furthermore, this comparison between holocaust and slavery is not even comparing apples to oranges, but apples to kitchen appliances.

Good statement on historic atrocities. They are past, gone. For the most part, the people that suffered them aren’t alive anymore. Let’s not turn things into a victim competition for points, it’s disgusting.

You do not have the right to hit someone unless in self defence. Give a counter argument shout and throw it back at them but you have no right to commit a crime

Please note, you don't have the right to hit them. However, it would constitute a number of public order offences

Achievement is my drug of choice, right next to eurica ! ! !

23:45 yeah I agree with the whole social consequences, don’t be surprised if your local hobby shop has kicked you out for those views but I draw the line at legal consequences.

Lol when you were close to dying in boltgun saw the health pack and died right in front of it 😂😂😂

@northernexile

Жыл бұрын

Oh that happened on stream and I was like 'FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!'

@thewizardmf175

Жыл бұрын

@Northern Exile 😄 keep It up can't wait to see you do a space marine 2 stream

Don't feel bad though Bobby for "not going far enough". That is no person's personal job to do something. Life will do its job with these types of people eventually. Some people just aren't built for the fight and that's ok. The fact that you tried to say something is good enough, well done mate. Don't forget, north just inadvertantly suggested that the slave trade was no worser than the Holocaust simply because the slave trade "didn't kill near as many as the holocaust". You have to murder six million innocent people for it to be considered as bad as the holocaust or any other terror related attack on humanity. If you were uncomfortable to a point where you were unsure of what to do Bobby, that's ok mate. Maybe you'll try a different tactic next time? Maybe you struggled to think at that time because of how uncomfortable you felt? North is clearly naive and ignorant to many things but feels his opinion holds enough weight to hold individuals accountable for not doing what he feels is adequate. Don't take it personally though, North is clearly upset as it is a topic he feels very strongly about and also borders on attacking him. You do what you feel is right Bobby. You did what could. We're not all accustomed to verbal aggression and/violence. And most people who talk online certainly aren't accustomed to this way of living either. Don't beat yourself up Bobby lad.

Wow, I collect Wehrmacht and US myself in Bolt Action and never met anything like that, I'd slap the shit out of someone like that because it seems no one ever has and he has to learn. I wouldn't be offended I just don't like racism. I have met a Sisters of Battle player that was racist and well I threatened him into shutting up. By the way my King Tiger has some writing, I named it "Anneliese"

I love when Americans get stressed at us being more progressive, I once had a yank loose it after me after saying how we don't do Juneteenth and I pointed out we abolished it over 50 years prior.

@adelwulf8864

Жыл бұрын

Remind them of their racism too and show them the battle of Bamber Bridge.

@tylercole3738

Жыл бұрын

It always amuses me when Europeans talk about how racist Americans are, but the moment I bring up Gypsies everyone loses their minds.

@adelwulf8864

Жыл бұрын

@@tylercole3738 that says more about gypsy behaviour than anything else tbh.

Bet the guy with the incorrectly painted bent crosses on tanks and the slogans would lose his shit if confronted by a modern bad guy from WW2.

@northernexile

Жыл бұрын

Reminds me of that poster that had Darth Vader slaying a load of Ewoks and it said 'Everybody wanna be a Sith Lord till its time to do some real Sith Lord shit.'

@adelwulf8864

Жыл бұрын

@@northernexile these people are all the same. I used to be on a discord server with some like that. There was a few who would go on about how we're losing the UK and our national identity, and they'd wax lyrical about traditional wives. I had two kids before I joined the server, had another two while I was part of it and in that time they still hadn't done anything positive apart from meet in the woods once a month. I ended up leaving.

I used to be a pretty big antisemite until I met a jew who completely changed my perspective and made me embarrased of my past views. This is why if I played BA I wouldn't go for the germans, but rather the japanese.

@TheRider2012

Жыл бұрын

Jesus....the Japanese are hardly better than the Germans, nor are the soviets. In fact, if you need to play "the good guys" in historical games just avoid them altogether. History is too nuanced. Just play a historical game because it's a cool game, you don't need to believe in or think a countries goals were good and noble to enjoy playing them...

@butcherbird4195

Жыл бұрын

As an Australian, I say fuck the Imperial Japanese war machine

@pinoarias8601

Жыл бұрын

@@TheRider2012 I'm a historian and am aware of the horrors of ww2. What I meant to say is that I'd rather play the japanese so people don't think I still hold nazi views by playing the germans. Plus the japs have hidden tanks ingame, love those.

There is no longer left or right, just the UNIPARTY, watch it closely ! ! !

Gaming, and war-gaming - people still give it grief. This guy playing as the Germans, fake accents and holocaust jokes probably cemented the wrong impression. It's bad enough that people see it as 'grown men playing with soldiers' (and I'm under no illusion, it is exactly that), but acting like that in public? (And having grown up in a violent household, I'd cut that player off completely, I'm not one to punch out people/players).

North: "The British Empire didn't kill 6 million people" India: "What"

@TechnicolorDave

Жыл бұрын

They died. They weren’t killed.

@TheRider2012

Жыл бұрын

I think the point he was making was the British Empire never rounded up people for the purpose of extermination. The British Empire was definitely responsible for huge amounts of deaths....and this is coming from someone who is proud of our heritage.

@captainweekend5276

Жыл бұрын

He also says "it's not about who suffered more and when" when literally that being the argument for why you can't compare the slave trade and the holocaust. It's weirdly hypocritical for him to act like the holocaust was special when as a history teacher he knows about stuff like the stalinist purges, holodomor, and countless other genocides that have occurred, the only reason he thinks the holocaust is worse is because it targeted his adopted group.

@TechnicolorDave

Жыл бұрын

@@captainweekend5276 - fair point, at the end of the day the man’s entitled to fight for his own people’s interests at the cost of other groups. But don’t then make claims of universal morality.

@sonicwingnut

Жыл бұрын

@@TheRider2012 the British Empire literally put Indians into camps and let them starve to death. Just look up our actual history regarding India first mate. It's very much an "are we the baddies?" moment.

Midwinter minis is the worst Bolt Action player he is against people playing "evil factions" of bolt action (as he sees it.... though both sides killed humans). I would say he is very narrow minded and tries to bring politics into gaming while most of us in a modern woke, pc, treading on ((sensitivity glass)) society try to find a safe space away from that bullshit with local gaming friends.

No legal consequences for speech, just physical ones. I say an eye for an eye is fair here; they wanna say something offensive then you can do so right back. I would think that as a youtuber you wouldn't want to go around condoning violence against someone who hasn't done any themselves. Obviously if they are violent then have fun, but you also don't NEED to be the first to commit violence when you could just leave. You could ask that this person be removed instead and if that doesn't work then maybe you're in the wrong place to begin with. You are holding two contradictory opinions I think; Don't call me "free" while tying my hands and threatening violence if I don't obey! I have the freedom to say whatever slur I wish , but the only harm done is to your ego and not your bones/flesh. I can understand the "fear" of what ideas such language may encourage, but why succumb to fear when sunlight is a much better disinfectant? This doesn't mean that I disagree with your conclusion that I should be allowed to punch someone who offends me, only that I believe you misunderstand "freedom". The only true freedom is the freedom to obey Doom or suffer!

Or create Schindler's brigade and fight fire with fire. 😃

On the birthrate crisis front, society hasn't felt enough pain for the actual conversation on the source to be discussed in polite company since it isn't nonsense about work or costs that when resolved have no effect. As for the comparison of slavery and the holocaust for scale, Western slavery had about 10 million die over 400 years, which is compared to 80 million in the Arab African slaver trade that was going on at the time, and the holocaust had 6 million jews and 5 million from other groups died over 3 years as the plan began in 1942.

North I agree that the bolt action Panza player was out of line and now that I'm 16 stone of slabed muscle I agree that this guy's tanks would be touching the back of his teeth. How ever I think calling the writer out for not doing more was unfair after all ten years ago I was just a weak little guy with no Conflict resolution skills or a body to carry my point across. I feel it was not fair berate him on what he did not do but instead you could have complimented him on what he had try to do and pointed out what you may have done. After all you say we are all geeks here and the one thing geeks are not great at is conflict. After Reflection should come improvement not condemnation.

Victim Olympics

You didn't go too far at all! I'd immediately pick up my models and leave if I were knowingly playing a skinhead. Nothing "woke" about it.

Seems like the German player is only playing Germans to excuse his anti Semitic views under the guise of “edgy humour”. Nothing wrong edgy humour here and there with it mind you but to make it a central constant thing becomes more than being edgy.

"grown away" na man.

17:55 did u have to cut your forey off?

The bolt action game you read is the reason I do not play historical games. I'm not even wanting to deal with this stuff.

All speech should absolutely be free of violent consequences unless that speech advocates, incites or leads to actual violence. Otherwise there is no free speech.

“German Wonky Cross” “Painted on his tanks” I’m hoping that what was meant was the Balkenkreuz (the one that is plus-shaped) and not the Hakenkreuz (The Swastika) as the Blakenkreuz was (and still is) used as the identifying symbol of the German Armed Forces (Edit: oh no he did not mean the Balkenkreuz” Also not to ruffle feathers, but the “Clean Wehrmacht” myth became a thing because they didn’t hang Heinz Guderian. The myth is that the Wehrmacht was never involved with Germany’s war crimes and that the SS were the primary perpetrators. The Wehrmacht acted as extensive accomplices to the SS.

@Sciontabier

Жыл бұрын

I have the feelings he meant in Germany illegal wonky cross. Judging by the rest of the story.

@Phoenix8492

Жыл бұрын

@@Sciontabier having listened to the rest of the story after making this comment, he did mean the Hakenkreuz

Whatever guy. Freedom from consequences is just another excuse for you to hate people you dont like.

As a world we are not declining in population North. You may just be speaking towards your reality in your local. But in the US and in the developing world the population is still growing at a rate that increases the population. To a point where it is too much in some places. Love you North, but have to correct you on that. (Yes there are too many people:)

@TheRider2012

Жыл бұрын

Most developed countries are showing a decrease in population growth below over the last 50-100 years, to the point that many countries have dropped below the 2.1 children per woman rate that is needed to maintain a steady population. So yes, even with a fertility rate of 1.5 children per woman the population will still "grow" as in numbers will get higher, but that will crash in less than a century as suddenly there are less young workforce members and a hugely disproportionate older population. Therefore population GROWTH in developed countries is declining massively, and that within the next 100 years will lead to population shrinkage.

@petros9711

Жыл бұрын

@@TheRider2012 sure 100 years. Likely the world popular will collapse in 100 years agreed. But in the now, the population of the world as a whole is growing. That is a fact, and it’s not good. And it will for many years for a while now unless something unknown or unexpected occurs.

@TheRider2012

Жыл бұрын

@@petros9711 Unfortunately the growth is slowing, it needs to maintain 2.1 as a replacement rate, most developed countries sit around 1.5. So a child and a hald is being born per 2 adults. This mean the population will skew as medicine improves for keeping people alive older, meaning people will need to work longer, there will be less people to care for the elderly, pension systems will not work properly etc. We're not screwed due to the rise in numbers, if food was distributed correctly and money was spent on actually solving the shortages we'd be fine, but it's not.

19:29 yeah, jokes that punch down on people.

"Our populations are declining" True for the UK, but not globally

@docthefaust4519

Жыл бұрын

Apparently in India too, and definitely in Japan

@biome3

Жыл бұрын

brilliant, 3 countries out of how many?

@AAhmou

Жыл бұрын

@@biome3 Most of Africa's is on the rise.

@TheRider2012

Жыл бұрын

Dude, most of the worlds fertility rates are less than 2.1, which means population shrinkage will follow. Its mainly the continent of Africa and very few other countries that are actually seeing a fertility rate that will lead to increased population. Literally google global fertility rates. It's not a hard think to look in to.