Comparing Israel vs Gaza to the American Civil War doesn’t correlate to me.

@DagnirRen

19 күн бұрын

True. The Brits werent baby reyping animals.

@gman6862

19 күн бұрын

Bias justification

@dorasegall2036

19 күн бұрын

Does not ah???? Well, when we had killed 2 million of German Civilians at a loss of ZERO American ones in order to destroy the Nazi Regime ,does that correlate to you? When Red Army had stormed Berlin and was destroying all that moved with its Artillery Fire and Katiusha Salvos , killing tens of thousands German civilians in the process --were there people like you today , telling them : "stop , you killing German children " ?? or every body were just pushing them on - finish the Bastard State ? Use some basic thinking , not your bias against Jewish people that you been condition to have with bullshit lies over 2000 years if you re in Christian world and 1400 years if you re in Muslim world.

@TT-hx9nj

19 күн бұрын

​@@DagnirRen Yes they were, just not to the extent that the Israelis are, though.

@mickmerrifield6583

19 күн бұрын

His comparisons are a reflection of his twisted morality.

“Who the fuck is that guy “

@GojosBackHand

19 күн бұрын

A smart man.

@JackAaron1992

19 күн бұрын

Someone correct.

@ReveredWizardBob

19 күн бұрын

@@JackAaron1992 Someone who hasn't read up on his history you mean

@hydro8sixty

19 күн бұрын

He's definitely not antisemitic nor pro Palestine he's un biased

@grlfcgombeenhunter2897

19 күн бұрын

I just said that in a Conor McGregor voice 😂.

Interesting how he talks about the “sacrifices that have to be made” in terms of civilian casualties and yet in the same breath lambasts the people of the west for being unacclimated to war. This man has never seen the horror of war and neither have any of his loved ones or family members safe at home in the west. I wonder how many families cowering for fear in a bomb shelter think that their sacrifice is necessary to settle a debate.

@DrDemented9885

3 күн бұрын

He’s a coward chicken hawk

This guy “it’s war so it’s just.. it’s not ok for someone to throw up their hands and says it’s war”

Listening to a Brit referencing Britain to debate the morality of war is like eating beans for breakfast

@andren8788

19 күн бұрын

BBQ the next morning.🤔 So.....

@darranpurtill6075

19 күн бұрын

As an Irish person I agree . Just remember it was Britain that created the Israel state

@Ffloreselectric.LBC.

19 күн бұрын

Beans are breakfast for 3/4 of the americas & carribean

@wiggy5728

19 күн бұрын

It’s absurd int it, who the hell is this guy

@sicdoc5839

19 күн бұрын

Americans, throwing stones in glass houses since 1776 😂

Excuse me, as a European, my great grandfather did not shove any Jew into any oven. Be specific about who did that and maybe those people should offer part of their state to the Jewish people.

@UmarFarooq-nl4eq

17 күн бұрын

Lol he is literally justify everything just because people in past did horrific things with jews

@branflakes054

17 күн бұрын

I agree and also stating that Europe hasn’t had to fight for anything is just a ridiculous thing to say

@troyzieman7177

17 күн бұрын

You are painfully naive

@ayoub8109

17 күн бұрын

the Palestinians are occupied for 75 years they have every right to fight back the occupation

@hardikpandey8460

17 күн бұрын

You did

Who pushed who into an oven?! Who is this guy and why does he have no clue!?

If you ever wondered how the atrocities like during ww2 were possible, why people didn't object? This guy is the answer.

@erickmsuya8769

14 күн бұрын

This guy is crazy or paid

@barneyrubble8255

13 күн бұрын

@@erickmsuya8769 Hes paid for sure, and joe is using his platform to push war propaganda

@DBPRODUCTIONS10

10 күн бұрын

And the most braindead comment award goes to

This is one of the dumbest takes I’ve heard

@___412

19 күн бұрын

Same. Joe comparing Mexican gangs to Hamas. Mexican gangs would never be as motivated as Hamas to slaughter civilians because Hamas conflict is about RELIGION not MONEY. Hamas has religious reasons for hating and wanting to kill Jews

@onepunchman8328

19 күн бұрын

you never really watched the video

@liorzelering5988

19 күн бұрын

The smartest one, you are the dumb one

@simplejan5942

19 күн бұрын

​@@onepunchman8328 its pretty stupid to argue about morality from a podcast. If he was a soldier in the war, then his take would be worth anything.

@liorzelering5988

19 күн бұрын

The truth hurts, try to use your brain more

The moral judgement by a Brit that starving people is a legitimate practice isn’t a surprise given what his country did to Ireland.

@ingalook

18 күн бұрын

And India

@maxokream6269

17 күн бұрын

& 1/2 the world

@CantTellYou

17 күн бұрын

“that was just for funzies though innit mate?”

@SuperMiguelish

17 күн бұрын

Israel sends food supplies to civilians while hamas takes it gluten themselves leaving innocent civilians starvimg

@michellekatz1023

17 күн бұрын

He’s Irish too

Why do you have ill informed people on your show Joe? this guy talking about young people as if he knows anything about history is absurd!!

@barneyrubble8255

13 күн бұрын

Joe is either forced to have these people on, or he's doing it on purpose, either way he's usinig his podcast for war propaganda.

@yoylos3p

13 күн бұрын

Do you not see young people today? Weaklings like this government. Not only that m, many hate this country. He sounds pretty informed.

@Thegaoat

12 күн бұрын

@@barneyrubble8255 it's good to bring in people with b different views and beliefs. So that the show isn't one giant echo chamber.

@barneyrubble8255

12 күн бұрын

@@Thegaoat He hasnt brought on any of the journalists who are covering this who have a fair perspective and accurate information. Sure some of his buddies are anti war......but that's differnt, he cant control what his friends say, this guy was purposely brought on as a war propagandist, whos next should he give a platform to john bolton so his show isnt a giant echo chamber?

@oSiiKModding

12 күн бұрын

@@ThegaoatJoe pushed back on everything this foo said, some people will cry no matter what celebs do

What this interview taught me is that, you think what you think and I think what I think

It’s like these guys are trained to speak softly about terrible things so that you forget that it’s terrible

@Kai-nh9ut

16 күн бұрын

Sometimes you got to do terrible things to survive. That is life. a lot of people in the comments dont understand this about life but their children will.

@thomaswhite7718

16 күн бұрын

@@Kai-nh9ut Spoken like a true genocide denier. I’m sure that anyone who has ever carried one out shared this sentiment.

@BirdsAreRobots-oe3sn

16 күн бұрын

He's out of his mind. US is the big dog with all the money and weapons. We should control Israel not the other way around. Why the US hasn't told them to stop the genocide is a question we all deserve an answer to? Why are we letting our little bitch in the middle east cause all this trouble?

@MarkDenmark-nz2pz

16 күн бұрын

I have a psychological issues . I struggle to get over it and I work hard on it. But I can tell you , when I lie, I literally don’t feel any problem. It comes so normal. The lie detector doesn’t now sense a thing . I tried it . These guys like this.

@thomaswhite7718

16 күн бұрын

@@Kai-nh9utYes I’m sure that’s how all of the perpetrators of genocide thought. And they still committed genocide.

This guy checked off all 12 of Ben Shapiro's talking points.

@amsz6326

17 күн бұрын

Meaning he is a rational smart guy

@jessicastrat9376

17 күн бұрын

Genetic fallacy

@roysherwin9348

17 күн бұрын

@5dollarshake263 planning on addressing any of them? Or should the free world never wage war against people who put their military HQ underneath their own hospitals? 🏥

@Arthur-Silva

16 күн бұрын

Ah, the good old Western propaganda on the JRE. "Britain had to make a decision to go fight the Nazis"..... he simply "forgot" to mention who actually ENDED the war. THE SOVIETS. To the UK and the US, war means business, and profits, the longer a war lasts, the better for the billionaires running the show. By the way, the only country that is still legally allowed to rally out in public, flying a swastika flag is the United States, everywhere else on the planet, it's illegal. In early 1945, Allied troops entered Germany. By mid-April, the SOVIETS had encircled the German capital of Berlin. On April 30, 1945, Adolf Hitler killed himself. The German armed forces surrendered unconditionally in the west on May 7 and in the east on May 9, 1945, bringing an end to World War II in Europe. You're welcome, Britain.

@Arthur-Silva

16 күн бұрын

@@amsz6326 snart indeed.

Did he really just say that not wanting to go to war is worse than war itself? Crazy 😂

@LoneHeckler

13 күн бұрын

Peace is the exception not the norm. Most of human history is warfare

@jlew6890

13 күн бұрын

He did and he’s right in my opinion. He also thoroughly explained himself as well. Best guest yet.

@NessaAudrey

12 күн бұрын

Absolute INSANITY!! This man is so far from morality. He knows nothing of it

@robertpirsig5011

12 күн бұрын

​@@jlew6890What war you fighting in then??

@jlew6890

12 күн бұрын

@@robertpirsig5011 None, anymore. I’m retired thankfully. Teaching and project management is what takes up my time nowadays. Why do you ask?

A very logical and nuanced take on the situation, I like this guest. Coleman Hughes has also made great points

This obtuse argument is insane. Killing innocent people will never be ok. War zone or no war zone. Mowing down people gathering flour for bread is not an excuse for mass execution.

@DreadPages

19 күн бұрын

What about at a music festival?

@aaronkelly3035

19 күн бұрын

Crazy you believe what terrorists say. Israel will be free from terrorists

@georgiadawgs8260

19 күн бұрын

How do you fight a war without it?

@silverback6497

19 күн бұрын

​@@DreadPages notice how he didn't justify that either, my god, the what aboutism is insanely common

@silverback6497

19 күн бұрын

@@georgiadawgs8260 without civilians casualties you can't, but theres a scale, that makes it an acceptable military target, say there's 2 militants to one civilian, or even a 1 to one ratio, those are acceptable numbers on the international level, but 300 civilians to one possible militant isnt,

This guy got his talking points directly from the IDF

@liorzelering5988

19 күн бұрын

Maybe he should take them from Iran

@jonathanjinez1523

19 күн бұрын

​@@liorzelering5988you must know from all you war experience.

@Mistertainment

19 күн бұрын

@@liorzelering5988 you sound like you’re a proponent of the spontaneous squatting escapades movement!

@AlexanderY18

18 күн бұрын

Now, let's see if you can actually articulate a real argument?....

@trhtkify

18 күн бұрын

try and disprove them mate, you are empty of substance

6:32 Israeli snipers targeted aid workers, medics, journalists and children according to the UN.

@TheSarinaide

12 күн бұрын

There is nothing on this online,much noise out of Gaza is made up

@danielrusso2117

7 күн бұрын

Completely untrue

@aplainbagel6619

7 күн бұрын

@@danielrusso2117source

@ilyassbouioitlan7701

7 күн бұрын

@@danielrusso2117 Could you elaborate on how is this untrue? I'd love to hear your take!

@HendrixTaylor24

7 күн бұрын

According to the UN…lol. Farce of an organisation.

“There hasn’t been a war at home in the United Kingdom, except for that very recent one in Northern Ireland that still has huge ramifications today, in a very long time”

Holy fuck. Did he just say Cromwell fought for the "modern idea of democracy"? What the fuck is this guy on?

@JakeJ.-yi1du

18 күн бұрын

Maybe he fought for the idea of democracy, but he certainly didn't practice it.

@AgxntOrange

18 күн бұрын

Explains a lot actually, he's probably seething at the irish support for palestine too.

@NostalgiaVomitBootlegs

18 күн бұрын

Just an idiot cramming the largest words he knows on top of one another to justify genocide. Period.

@thebillryan

18 күн бұрын

Yeah, us Irish really loved Cromwell's brand of democracy!

@AK-ms5zk

18 күн бұрын

Yeah you caught that to

The lesson here is that you can be well spoken and ignorant simultaneously.

@TheJas7271

14 күн бұрын

Sometimes it’s not even just ignorance, you also have to be wicked to justify 💣 children, elders women civilians.

@barneyrubble8255

13 күн бұрын

This british clown is making money of the killing of children, in one way or another. Strange joe keeps having these guys on, but none of the voices who are against whats happening

@adirsab

13 күн бұрын

Did you write this about yourself?

@robertpirsig5011

12 күн бұрын

His arguments are insane. No justification for any of what he's spouting

@Dascorpio36

12 күн бұрын

@@adirsab🤡

“These young never had to fight for anything” yeah tell that to my cracked skull circa Afghanistan 2013

Interesting how he argues that anti-colonialist wars were justified and simultaneously denied the reality of Palestinians. If there was no occupation then Oct 7th would never have happened. Taking it back further, if legitimate demands of Palestinians, backed by UN Security Council resolutions were not ignored for decades there would be no Hamas, which is constantly ignored.

@funnyballs192

5 күн бұрын

Are you also going to acknowledge every resoultion that was brought forward by israel being denied? Let us be CLEAR, palestines do not way "peace" they want to DESTROY the jews. You dont get to punch someone, then cry when you are hit back. Youre also ignoring that hamas ALSO opresses the same people who brought them to power. Lets stop acting like israel is the only one in the wrong.

Thank you Joe for pushing back against this ridiculous guy.

@HankSemoreButz

19 күн бұрын

He didn’t make a good rebuttal

@chrisbrown2211

19 күн бұрын

He needs Dave Smith there

@HankSemoreButz

19 күн бұрын

@@chrisbrown2211 Dave tries to ride the fence like a stripper rides a pole…

@gsp3428

19 күн бұрын

Ridiculous to people like you Hamas people.

@vanyllinha

19 күн бұрын

Please bring Abby Martin

This guy brushed off the Ireland conflict like it was peanuts. Wow

@easydoesit83

18 күн бұрын

They have a habit of doing that

@antwandadon2341

18 күн бұрын

@@easydoesit83They or (((they)))?

@duncefunce1513

18 күн бұрын

He's Irish, and historically very pro-The Republic of Ireland. So much so that his old publication was accused of being pro-IRA.

@hannesgranlund8838

18 күн бұрын

Still, he brushes off a thirty year long war like nothing

@duncefunce1513

18 күн бұрын

@@hannesgranlund8838 they weren't talking about Northern Ireland. Had that been the subject at hand, O'Neil would have had a lot to say about it.

How many wars are we going to start because of a war that happen almost a century ago.

Also I'd like to ask, why are "the horrors of war" present in the West bank? No Hamas there right?

Listening to his logic is extremely unsettling. How can these people not see that INNOCENT PEOPLE DO NOT DESERVE TO DIE??

@tituslaird1265

17 күн бұрын

Listening to your logic is unsetlling. You: "Look Israel I know that for 70 years the Palestinian government has supported, funded, and taught terrorists who rape, murder, and kill Jews simply because they are Jews, but you should just lay down and take it. I mean look, even though we are rewarding terrorists by refusing to kill them if they hide behind their own familie's lives, not to mention allowing them to repeat more attacks on your own women and children in the future, it's still wrong to try to kill them." The inverted morality is shocking to see.

@WizardOVOz

16 күн бұрын

“Innocent people do not deserve to die” When Hamas says they will conduct October 7 attacks again and again, that is exactly what Israel is trying to prevent. Why can’t you see that if you don’t want endless innocent deaths year after year ?

@gzman1

16 күн бұрын

what did they expect when the attacked ? or maybe rebel/vote out Hamas, o right they are not a democracy...

@mz4kids

16 күн бұрын

are you referring to the children hunted down and killed on October 7 ? Hunted down and killed

@OKers999

16 күн бұрын

@@mz4kidsthis all didn’t start on October 7th. Learn your history

He sounds like a British politician, the speech patterns are exactly like Sunak and what he says is exactly like an Israel spokesperson

@simba8665

18 күн бұрын

Very delusional indeed

@chi15800

18 күн бұрын

except that he only said true correct stuff if you think about it without any bias ;)

@jankaufmann4305

18 күн бұрын

The discussion in this war is absurd. First. Israel acted selflessly to live in peace with the Palestinians in Gaza. It was more than a decade ago when Israel itself ordered Israeli citizens who had lived there for decades to literally leave their homes. The first thing the Palestinians did in return was to elect a government that enshrined the goal of destroying Israel in the constitution. The elected government followed through with its promise. Since its founding, thousands of rockets have flown into Israeli settlement areas. Dozens of civilians died in terrorist attacks. Millions of aid funds - intended for civilian institutions - were misused to sponsor this terrorism. October 7th was just what Humus had been doing for years. Secondly. Israel behaved more humanely in this conflict than any other conceivable party in any imaginable conflict. It allowed Palestinians to work in Israel, receive medical care or even migrate to Israel. During war, they warn civilians where their military is operating. They admit collateral damage and apologize for it. The situation is clear. In no other conflict the responsibility for the suffering has been so one sided and clear - in no other conflict have the perpetrators been held accountable so weakly. People with voice and power who claim to reject war and the nature of war have a duty to unequivocally name the culprit of this war and do everything in their power to eliminate them. Everything else is responsibility for the resulting suffering and is as history has proved continuing this madness.

@rolon4260

18 күн бұрын

He is MOST PROBABLY PAID HANDSOMELY by his isreali masters and has clearly handed his soul to the devils

@chi15800

18 күн бұрын

@@jankaufmann4305 yeah cause humus are literally a death cult that see pally deaths as heroism even for kids, they don't care about their own lives let alone pally people, all they wanna do is keep doing oct7ths and even at larger scales if they could, up to the ultimate scale. yet millions in the west march and protest for them =)) the post-truth society is a wild place

This guy sounded more scripted then the last guy Joe had on doing damage control.

@barneyrubble8255

13 күн бұрын

So is joe forced to use his platform for war propaganda, or is he just pro war and thinks these guests out of everyone in the world , reflect his own views, but he doesnt want to say it.

@HendrixTaylor24

7 күн бұрын

Scripted yet 100% accurate

@PlantBasedBelize

7 күн бұрын

@@HendrixTaylor24 accurate? Do you live under a rock or just easily fooled by zionist-owned media? Nothing about what this paid hasbara-pushing troll said is accurate.

@tarik1163

4 күн бұрын

@@HendrixTaylor24 I am the good guy they are T trying to K me help!

@etherspin

Күн бұрын

Nothing sounds scripted, he is responding to questions on the fly

Netanyahu isnt going to sleep with you bro

@moeezawan2329

18 сағат бұрын

It's all about the Benjamins.🤑🤑🤑

It's nice to drop this snippet on here so that I know not to bother with this episode on Spotify

@donottman2018

19 күн бұрын

You shouldnt bother with any episodes to be fair😂

@hatsofftoroyharper2

19 күн бұрын

100%

@billyglimstead5204

19 күн бұрын

He's back on KZread full episodes

@gagediffee2722

19 күн бұрын

Factssss

@gagediffee2722

19 күн бұрын

The amount of factual selectivity makes me wanna throw up. Maybe just start with the fact that Israel is in a apartheid state? As deemed by nearly every human rights group out there. INCLUDING THOSES IN ISRAEL

Digging up graves & removing bodies all for new settlements is heartbreaking for the whole of humanity

@information_handle

19 күн бұрын

Can you think of any other reason they would dig them? Perhaps a habit of one side of the conflict to peddle in corpses?

@yakov95000

19 күн бұрын

Digging up Graves was how Israel found dead hostages...

@ahmedarish7720

19 күн бұрын

Because they are Evil

@Mj_Billz

19 күн бұрын

@@yakov95000 you believe that nonsense, funny stuff.

@user-mu4hg8zy4q

19 күн бұрын

No kidding. I've never seen anything so evil. We are seeing children being killed and amputated every day, most with no anesthetics. They are an Apartheid State. The idf is full of shit. Lies, lies, lies.

It’s super ironic that he talks about wars against colonialism being just wars, and basically makes the case for why the Gazans have the right to fight back and he doesn’t realize

@nerkfumgogi798

6 күн бұрын

they had a chance at peace and fucked up in every turn...too late for them.

@sevrinbrown3821

6 күн бұрын

@@nerkfumgogi798 when do you think they had a chance at peace?

@alexchertin3

2 күн бұрын

Freedom for Alaskas people!

This guy is on planet mars

@adirsab

13 күн бұрын

bot

The first casualty of war is the truth

@FlCarScene

18 күн бұрын

Yes and it was Palestinians who were attacked first

@alitharealist4730

18 күн бұрын

@@FlCarScene 75 yrs ago?

@sniper161718

18 күн бұрын

Good one

@johnalexander4940

18 күн бұрын

Truth doesn't bleed persons do. The obligation to adhere to Truth standards die at the hands of those who deny its power to act righteously.

@sami7ny

18 күн бұрын

Sure 75 years ago and every freakin year after that. Your colonialist mindset will not let you see that. You can’t just get away with it. Call them whatever you like, they have every right whatsoever to rise up against the people oppressing and occupying them

I'm making a moral judgement on Mr O'Neill and it's not good.

@anglodoomer5995

19 күн бұрын

hes written in defence of child predators before

@docwashburn430

19 күн бұрын

​@anglodoomer5995 Link please?

@adamcraig1468

19 күн бұрын

Moral based on what standard?

@Benbones99

19 күн бұрын

So invading Nazi Germany was bad according to your logic.

@prohibitions1571

19 күн бұрын

Stupid people tend to think like you.

The more he spoke the sicker i got

Important conversation. I noticed, though, that neither side brought up the point that for all those people worried about civilians caught in a war zone not one loud voice has demanded that Egypt, Jordan, Turkey, etc temperarrily take them in to provide refuge. Many countries bordering Ukraine have been providing sanctuary for the millions of refugees fleeing war with Russia. While Jordan refuses to hep the Gazan civilians and Egypt just built their border wall with Gaza higher. Israel is fighting a just war and will not stop until the hostages come home and Hamas is no longer functional in Gaza.

Defending war crimes is unacceptable regardless of someone's nationality.

@adamcraig1468

19 күн бұрын

Is morality subjective?

@herbthompson8937

19 күн бұрын

No such thing as war crimes. War is war.

@mwest9769

19 күн бұрын

Israel hasn’t committed war crimes

@sefocrocker8410

19 күн бұрын

And hamas? Palestinians?

@elijahsalas6170

19 күн бұрын

@@herbthompson8937there are rules to war

Joe has gotten so good at just letting guest dig themselves into logical holes all the while keeping distance and disagreeing politely.

@anthonygil1522

17 күн бұрын

It was amazing ...I don't know how Joe keeps his composure so well...

@Sam-us7tg

15 күн бұрын

@@anthonygil1522 he’s come such a long way from when he went meathead on Stephen Crowder all those years ago

He mentions anti-colonial wars where it's completely justifiable to rebel against British, American, or any other colonial power. Dude just disproved his own whole argument. Wow.

@michaelkirshner3099

4 күн бұрын

Or if you rub your two braincells together you might actually realize that the colony detractor actually doesn't fit Israel at all

This guy is not just a clown; he is the whole circus, complete with the freak show.

@barneyrubble8255

13 күн бұрын

Why is joe using his platform to push war propagandists

@adirsab

13 күн бұрын

Why? Because you hate Jews? Or because of something else?

@JoeSmith-vo8cs

12 күн бұрын

Supporting baby killers and stoning innocent women is crazy they brought this on themselves

@adirsab

12 күн бұрын

and you are a bot

@goovialisticprofunks

11 күн бұрын

Sounds like you need to learn how to learn.

As a vet I can assure you no war is just. You are only being used. There are no winners. No glory. No heros.

@No_ReGretzky99

19 күн бұрын

Sorry man you had to be put through that I tried to join the military at 19 but I had a withdrawal Caesar from alcohol from bad choices I wanted to be a fighter pilot and fly f-16s and if I couldn't fly them I wanted to fly the f-15 strike eagle thank you for your service❤❤❤❤

@TroyJScott

19 күн бұрын

“War doesn’t make boys men, War makes men dead”

@rstone3317

19 күн бұрын

Thank you for your service, Joshua. I'm sorry our nation took it for granted.

@osawatomie

19 күн бұрын

I’m sorry for your service, but sounds like you’ve become wiser because of it 🤜🏿

@10oner

18 күн бұрын

U arent a real vet u are a pog

A Brit talking about morally justifying occupation and civilian casualties?! shocking....

@anglodoomer5995

19 күн бұрын

O'Neill is Irish

@reyrodriguez4280

19 күн бұрын

@@anglodoomer5995maybe his ancestors were but he talks and acts like a Brit, was probably raised there

@grlfcgombeenhunter2897

19 күн бұрын

@@reyrodriguez4280 west Brit

@JonathanMullan25

19 күн бұрын

As a Irishman watching this, it doesn't surprise me. he gives a complete green light to the Zionist regime. Prick makes me sick, just like black and tans

@gideonkaufmann1899

19 күн бұрын

There is no occupation... Disputed maybe.... Name a war where civilians have never died? Hypocrite!

Interesting well-done discussion that didn't devolve into screeching.

I would like to know how people plan on dealing with hamas?

@damienpace7350

2 күн бұрын

They don't have an answer or care. Sheep

It’s fascinating to see this guy talking about young people when people who are older than the state of Israel’s itself criticize Israel

@onepunchman8328

19 күн бұрын

so do they criticize palestine

@robfarrell9104

19 күн бұрын

And yet those same critics are silent on the Ukraine conflict.

@just_the_messenger

19 күн бұрын

Classic anti-Israeli non sequitur. He is talking about young western ignoramuses who support Hamas because they are "oppressed". They aren't. If they used the billions in aid money the west has sent them for anything other than making their leaders in Qatar billionaires and bombs, they could be a flourishing people. But they aren't and they are two b*tch made to admit it's their own fault.

@patrickrobinson7541

19 күн бұрын

@@robfarrell9104 some people are but some aren’t.

@patrickrobinson7541

19 күн бұрын

@@onepunchman8328 yes they do

Dude definitely expected Joe to just fold on him and agree. It's not ok to kill innocent people, it doesn't matter how many words you use to explain it, how much it was done in the past, or whose homeland you're attempting to establish.

@dshappir

18 күн бұрын

He didn't say killing innocent people is "ok". He said the deaths of innocent people is unfortunately unavoidable in war. Especially when their own government is using them as Human Shields, building bunkers under their homes, fighting out of uniform, and firing from behind them.

@allanr143

18 күн бұрын

@@dshappir watch it again man. Joe makes a point that he wouldn't be ok with "unavoidable" deaths if they were Jewish. Bombing a hospital is not "unavoidable".

@BobbyIsmaiel2424

17 күн бұрын

@@dshappirno evidence of human shield. Only Israeli peddled propaganda

@ehaaron

16 күн бұрын

"innocent people" ok

@geronimo80140

16 күн бұрын

What a ridiculous summary of what he was saying

What people don’t seem to understand is that “all’s fair in love and war” look at the situations objectively how would you act if that was for what you love?

The terrible truth of the matter is this - if one wants a meaningful discussion on this, first revisit the Balfour Declaration of 1917 and the wise words of Edwin Montagu, a Jewish member of British Parilament who strongly opposed a homeland for jewish people. Debate that first.

This clip should be on the Olympic channel So many mental gymnastics

Nah bro this dude is wild, his argument is built on a foundation that is crumbling right in front of the world for everyone to see

@adirsab

13 күн бұрын

bot

@PastaCool

3 күн бұрын

​@@adirsabschizophrenic

So many lies and misdirections to address. The lies literally takes your mind for a spin and gets you off the point.

By everyones logic, terrorists just need to hide behind civilians and they can do what ever they want.

@MrMetzki

12 күн бұрын

I hope they hide behind you one day. Then see what your position on the subject is

@darkregions

9 күн бұрын

​@MrMetzki he's just an idiot doing hasbara for the masters.

Dude has rewritten history to justify his argument.

@beetalius

19 күн бұрын

what part of history has he rewritten?

@HankSemoreButz

19 күн бұрын

@@beetaliusdad here is just being triggered

@DanielinAction

19 күн бұрын

@@beetaliusthe part where Muslims lie and rape.

@layinlow77

19 күн бұрын

@@beetalius He just leaves out the fact that Israel violently removed some 750,000 Palestinians from their land in 1948 and has persecuted them since. Tries to make it sound like it's all just a matter of hating Joos. And then simply denies their current war crimes that the whole world can see.

@adamcraig1468

19 күн бұрын

Israel existed before Palestine

Joe, invide your old friend Abby Martin to discuss this issue

@paraguita10

18 күн бұрын

I think he doesn’t want to hear what really is going on there

@seansean7653

18 күн бұрын

He's not allow .. probably will lose some sponsorship.

@Drenny1

18 күн бұрын

Abby doesn’t come off as credible. I like her, but there are more knowledgeable and rational advocates for the Palestinians out there.

@kidheyful

18 күн бұрын

Ahh abby. The woman who refuses to denounce Hamas. Sure. Then bring on Finkelstein too. Reputable people..

@bdalack

18 күн бұрын

Yeah, that paid Al Jazeera mouthpiece who can vomit lies with a straight face who openly admits that she doesn`t even know really what happened on Oct. 7, but that does not prevent her from parroting the lies to accuse Israel of every imaginable crime. What a waste of human life

I think the most important questions in any discussion like this are: 'what do we want to happen next', 'what can realistically happen next', and 'how will the consequences echo into the future'? Focussing on moral responsibility will get us no-where, because both sides will continue to scream at each other passionately, claiming that they are the ones who have been the most violated, until the end of time. The is no 'solution', there can only be mitigation. We must ask what truly realistic and viable actions will save the most lives, and prevent the most suffering, projecting into the future for decades to come? People for sure even have differing views about the best answer to that question... but, at least I feel that it is a better and more useful question to ask than, 'who is most morally justified'.

Hamas should hide in this guy's home. Let's see if he changes his tune

Why are both of you not talking about why Hamas exists??

@AwgTheMMAlover

19 күн бұрын

Its not even a theory, its stated fact in interviews. On point good Sir.

@user-ny2en5og9p

19 күн бұрын

It exists because Bibi satanyahu funded Hamas via Qatar to divide Palestine and PLO

@hahayes5232

19 күн бұрын

Because most people don’t actually care to look into history that deeply and because others are paid not to care.

@layinlow77

19 күн бұрын

Or that Pa lesti nians had been the victims of violent persecution for 40 yrs before it existed.

@dadistos4538

19 күн бұрын

@@layinlow77 you're gonna play the persecution game with the J's? LMAO

It's pretty bold to keep asking the question of what is "morally" right, yet still implying the answer is: "killing innocent civilians is a means to an end."

@MitchellRMiller-lt1xi

17 күн бұрын

Your ignorance about war, the history of war, and the laws of war, is just proof of the total failure of the educational system. I don't hold that against you. What I do hold against you is offering an opinion about something about which you know nothing.

@tevildo45

17 күн бұрын

The people who scream loudest for war do so from the comfort of their own armchairs. They know they will not have to fight the wars themselves

@brnm973

17 күн бұрын

@@MitchellRMiller-lt1xi War is a faliure of human endeavor on every front. Knowing the history of it will teach you that.

@holydivurMLG

17 күн бұрын

@@tevildo45 except the jihadist that kill people and scream jihad jihad jihad

@angru_arches

17 күн бұрын

@@tevildo45 the people who scream the loudest for ceasefire have never been threatened existentially...thus, the ignorance of "luxurious moralising."

This is no war.

@adirsab

13 күн бұрын

It's a war. boy.

@suhailzamir8928

13 күн бұрын

​@@adirsabwar between an army and children

@adirsab

12 күн бұрын

@@suhailzamir8928 war between an army and terrorists who hide like cowards after their children and sacrifice their children.

@gulfcoastwargamer2873

12 күн бұрын

​@suhailzamir8928 a war between an army and terrorist cowards.

@rayshaukat7146

12 күн бұрын

@@adirsab doesn't look like a war to me

I’m with Joe on his talking points but where was this energy during the Coleman Hughes interview?

What's Britain excuse for occupying Ireland 🇮🇪 🤔

@chivomartinez

16 күн бұрын

What’s the arabs excuse to invade Spain 🇪🇸🤔

@naseeha450

16 күн бұрын

What's Israel excuse for occupying Palestinians land ​@@chivomartinez

@theearthisntflat5863

16 күн бұрын

​@@chivomartinez If you read history, after the Islamic conquest, Spain became one of the richest countries, and Christians, Muslims, and Jews lived in luxury until the Crusades came. Which carried out massacres against Jews, Muslims, and opposing Christians. If what you are saying is true, the Spaniards would still hate Muslims, but anyone who reads history knows that the largest massacres in Spain were at the hands of campaigns Crusader

@melbialo4919

15 күн бұрын

​@@theearthisntflat5863Jews did NOT live in luxury under Spanish rule...ever heard of the Inquisition?! Literally one of the biggest forms of persecution against the Jewish people happened under Spanish & Portuguese rule in the 14/1500s...Jews were almost never living in great conditions...something gentiles generally agreed on across the board historically was that they hated Jewish people. Muslims 🫱🏻‍🫲🏼Christians 🫱🏻‍🫲🏼Catholics🫱🏻‍🫲🏼Pagans all hated Jews historically speaking..

@deanwolf6811

15 күн бұрын

@@chivomartinez read history and talk after

Remember, speaking sophisticated and sounding intelligent doesn't mean you have high IQ and this vid speaks it perfectly

@pmwtf7406

18 күн бұрын

Best comment of the year anywhere, right on

@duncefunce1513

18 күн бұрын

But being unable to demonstrates that you have a low one, Mr Speaking Sophisticated

@gallaxseizor9216

18 күн бұрын

@@duncefunce1513 ?? Anyways

@Brandon-tk2rw

18 күн бұрын

Jesus, use grammerly. Or find an adult to help your writing.

@Brandon-tk2rw

18 күн бұрын

"anyway"

Im surprised they didn't talk about Japan in this conversation

“I can’t think of any war in history were haven’t been civilian casualties “ what kind of argument and justification is this!!! This is so wrong on many different levels! And still you cannot argue that we can do it because others did it! As if we never learnt any lessons from previous wars in human history!!

@adirsab

13 күн бұрын

he is right 100% you are wrong

"You know what's worse than killing innocent civilians... people not wanting innocent civilians to be killed" - Brendan O'Neil

@joweydelanota7421

18 күн бұрын

Genocidal statement of the year

@alniter1919

18 күн бұрын

That was a bar .... 💯💯💯

@Poopopotamusgaming

18 күн бұрын

Nah it was more like not wanting innocent civilians to be killed over and over and over again. Whereas they take out Hamas now and it should be over unless palestine attacks again

@ehaaron

16 күн бұрын

"innocents". how many would you say are innocent, excluding the population under 18.

@joweydelanota7421

16 күн бұрын

@@ehaaron how many according to you?

I cannot believe Joe has listened to Abby Martin talk for hours and he has no rebuttal

@21972012145525

19 күн бұрын

I know. 🤦

@GaryARahn

19 күн бұрын

Good interviewers let the person express themselves. It's not a debate, it's an interview.

@garrettramirez428

19 күн бұрын

​@@GaryARahnSo when's he having Abby Martin on again?

@ryandamon9390

19 күн бұрын

Where's Bassem

@21972012145525

19 күн бұрын

@@ryandamon9390 im literally waiting for basem

Joe - please have Abby Martin on again?

This isn’t perspective. It’s justification. Look, can we have a dialogue from people that are being honest? This is a very complicated subject with huge ramifications for the whole world.

Give them England as their own country.

@Dave-cf4vd

19 күн бұрын

"They" (the UN) gave Jews Israel and gave Palestinians Jordan. It is already settled.

@Qleverett

18 күн бұрын

He said they were attacked for race… not that they stole land n are ethnicity cleansing

@Sharkdanceteacher

18 күн бұрын

This guy would find a way to defend British history of killing people in foreign lands

@quercus3290

18 күн бұрын

they already have that country

@rsakhaled

18 күн бұрын

@@Dave-cf4vd nope they the UN say westbank and Gaza including Jerusalem are occupued by the GENOCIDE ARMY.

The ‘moral’ argument for bombing civilians???

@jakobsrensen1684

17 күн бұрын

The moral failure lies in the hands of Hamas

@anthonygil1522

17 күн бұрын

Really unbelievable....

@littlecatfeet9064

17 күн бұрын

See Dresden, WWII. Civilian deaths are always terrible, but this war was started by an action of terror by Hamas, whose strategy is always using civilian human shields. Why did they never build bomb shelters for their people in 15 years? They were receiving billions in aid.

@Darkenergy104

17 күн бұрын

​@littlecatfeet9064 you do realize that Dresden was condemned by the allies and why international law was created...at this point why even discuss war crimes?

@ayoub8109

17 күн бұрын

the Palestinians are occupied for 75 years they have every right to fight back the occupation

This was a excellent debate

They’ve clearly never played fallout. War never changes

"you're not supposed to make moral judgement" proceeds to make moral judgement

@karthiks2383

19 күн бұрын

He’s a nitwit, cringe listening to this guy. Joe Rogan on the other hand, is a legend.

@HankSemoreButz

19 күн бұрын

Think you missed the point…

@UserOfTheDay

19 күн бұрын

How could you not care more about your own people than the enemy’s people? This is the only reason you exist right now.

@HankSemoreButz

19 күн бұрын

@@UserOfTheDay triggered person of the day

@tanyac2368

19 күн бұрын

You weren’t listening he said it’s unfashionable to make moral judgements but it’s something we must do sometimes

When comparing this to WW2, he seems to ve confused on who is perpetrating a genocide.

@Jeremy-ke3bb

18 күн бұрын

Hamas is committing genocide indeed.

@yt.personal.identification

18 күн бұрын

@@Jeremy-ke3bb That doesn't even make sense.

Joe really shouldn’t be going down this rabbit hole. I don’t care what you say, anyone who kills 15,000 children intentionally or unintentionally, has 0 morality. FOH

@barneyrubble8255

13 күн бұрын

Very odd out of all the good jouranlists out there right now, covering this, joe has kept them off his show, then he gives this war propagandists a platform.

@damienpace7350

2 күн бұрын

Hamas you mean?

@Elle-pw6wy

4 сағат бұрын

@@damienpace7350are you stupid?

People do not have “zero say”. They just haven’t been pushed hard enough to realize their OWN rulers have caused their destruction.

People is Gaza were shot when they tried to access food aid. This is not a just war.

@nayastah1439

17 күн бұрын

This is NOT a war. The Palestinians do NOT have any military, no army, no soldiers no tanks, no jets, no bombs, no drones, etc, nothing to defend themselves with!! The other side is armed to the teeth from the No.1 military industrial complex in the world.

@waterbear1337

16 күн бұрын

Have you been to war? That is the reality of war! That is part of war, you can't wage wars and be polite! That's why we should avoid war, and hamas started it!

@shitinsideyou

16 күн бұрын

Did you mean Hamas members? Same thing happened to ISIS, they got killed while trying to get some food, poor people... We all should cry now.

@samehabuerreish8785

15 күн бұрын

@@waterbear1337 That is what happens between combatants . Not against unarmed civilians . You are calling war crimes . War Gazans are occupied people . They don’t have a sovereign state This is a genocide aided by USA

@RuiFonseca86

15 күн бұрын

@@shitinsideyou what the f**k are you talking about? How can children be consider Hamas members? You have problems

The most ironic part of this whole dialogue was when he talks about "just" causes for wars and mentions populations fighting against "colonialism" He doesn't even realize.....

@raptor1672

18 күн бұрын

So Islam and Arabs just showed up in Israel by teleportation?🤣

@anthonygil1522

17 күн бұрын

Exactly! Like he thinks this thing just started on Oct 7 Just unreal how clueless he is...

@Joseph-uj2sk

16 күн бұрын

Some people are just stupid mate, anyone who thinks this war started Oct 7 is just a moron

@johnostro7153

16 күн бұрын

Yeah he's got a touch of the downs

@Michael2512

16 күн бұрын

Hahahahah yep!

“You have to make the judgement that you care about them less than you do your own people’. Wow what insite. Joe really is a genius sometimes

Nicely done👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾Rogans liberal side kicked back in with that great point about hamas in jewish hospital. I love how he couldn't answer the question

The fact that Bassem Yousef hasn’t come on the show yet is bizzare

@beetalius

19 күн бұрын

maybe because he's a disingenous propagandist/charlatain who traffics in lies?

@greaterthanharrowk1679

18 күн бұрын

Joe "I'll have anyone unless their views aren't right-adjacent" Rogan

@micha3L6969

18 күн бұрын

I disagree, I think it’s pretty understandable considering how many smart political commentators there are in media, most with diverse opinions on this debate & many other political debates, and Joe is only 1 guy with 2 other careers, with tons of hobbies and he interviews people only he personally finds interesting from ALL walks of life…ironically at the beginning of this episode, Joe actually jokes about the frustration of there being so many interesting people he wants to talk to, yet only so much time & availability. I am sure he will have him on someday

@OrangeJuicePapi

18 күн бұрын

I think he was in tour. I bet he comes on soon.

@marcksoriano1678

18 күн бұрын

100% agree. the fact that he's also a comedian and he's talking about something very important right now.

Calls Hamas a barbaric army because they stab and kill civilians then proceeds to defend Israel for bombing and killing civilians because “that’s just war, innit?”

@mohamedalahmadani5174

19 күн бұрын

Exactly

@layinlow77

19 күн бұрын

hypocrisy off the charts.

@TheBadBunny87

19 күн бұрын

War fighters in civilian clothing*

@dadistos4538

19 күн бұрын

Meh, not really comparable tbh. One is personal, and without warning; the other is impersonal and directed specifically at soldiers, soldiers that choose to hide in areas populated by innocent lives. Weird how they went south with the flow of civilians instead of staying in an area where they know THEIR PEOPLE wouldn't be, but so is an extremist death cult, idolizing being "martyred" and hoping their civilians will feel the same.

@qooiuler

19 күн бұрын

Well Hamas did it because they hate jews and want to exterminate them in any gruesome manner. Hamas is a terrorist organisation and Israel actions is to get rid of a terrorist ruled state. I don't like that Israel is bombing like crazy but I myself know nothing of war so I wouldn't know any other alternative. I think letting Hamas continue like nothing happened is the biggest mistake and its signalling that they have a very effective tactic of making themselves untouchable

In my opinion, we're not prepared to argue over this conflict in the Western world, however we all want this War to stop as innocent people are involved in it. So, the best thing you can be doing right now is to pray for those who suffer from the consequences of all of this

He's right, no moral equivalence... but my friend, we love the idea of David slaying Goliath because he was the plucky little guy with a rock.

Yeah screw this guy this isnt even a "war"

@gsp3428

19 күн бұрын

Oh Israel is just supposed to stop, this isnt a game, If Hamas actually cared about their people they could surrender any time. But they dont for some reason.

@Lockdown335

18 күн бұрын

@@gsp3428 Average social media Hamas bot: "Did Israel just try being nice?" LOL

@AD-kf5po

18 күн бұрын

@@gsp3428They can keep going. But need to cut it out with calling others terrorist when they are committing terroristic acts themselves. They are no longer the “good” guys

@dewmontain123

18 күн бұрын

He says young people aint ever been to war. When the fook has he been to war? 😂

@rustneversleeps85

16 күн бұрын

It is a war. Hamas represents the Palestinian vote. They voted for ppl who organized and did these atrocities to Israeli civilians. It is a declaration of war.

“They need their own country because of what we (Europe) did to them 80 years ago.” Very good point. But then why not give them land in Europe? Why use them to displace a population of people (who had nothing to do with the terrible things that were done to the Jewish people) who have lived on a land for generations and then act surprised when those displaced people don’t want to give up their rights to their land. That is where the problem and conflict started. Not Oct 7.

@melbialo4919

15 күн бұрын

Jewish people are INDIGENOUS to the LAND OF ISRAEL according to *ALL* archeological, anthropological, genetic, biological, & verbal evidence. Even during the Diaspora, there has *always* remained a steady Jewish presence in that land...Palestine isnt even an Arabic word, it was renamed Judea-Palestina by the ROMANS when they conquered the area, & since then there has *never been* an independent country named Palestine ever (the Arabic language doesn't even have the letter P). Just bec European Jews have adapted European looks (biological adaptation 101 btw) bec they migrated there centuries ago after being expelled by the Romans etc, that doesn't negate anything. Besides, what about all the ethnic Sefardi Jews that arent European?! You know the ~850k that were ethnically cleansed from Arab countries? Ahhhh so conveniently forgotten about eh? 🤨🤨...so why should Jewish people be "given" a Homeland anywhere but where they've already been residing for thousands of years?

@bodasactra

15 күн бұрын

What did Europe do? It was only after several major Israeli terror attacks against the British did they pull out of the mandate and gave it back to the U.N. General Assembly. On 29 November 1947 the UN General Assembly voted on the partition plan, ADAOPTED BY 33 VOTES TO 13 with 10 abstentions. The Jewish side accepted the UN plan for the establishment of two states. The Arabs rejected it and launched a war of annihilation against the Jewish state.

@FordeTough

15 күн бұрын

@@melbialo4919 Yes, Jewish people of Arab descent have lived in Palestine forever, and peacefully coexisted with other Arabs of different faiths (Muslims and Christians). Regardless of what you choose to call the land, the conflicts, which continue to this day and have only become bloodier over time, began after Western nations chose to declare the state of Israel on that land and displace the indigenous people with Europeans. Even Palestinian Jews in the Westbank are not treated the same as Israeli Jews. You don’t have to agree with me, but at some point we all have to acknowledge the truth. I don’t believe in the slaughter of any people, regardless of what they believe or where they come from. God gave us life and placed us here on Earth to live in peace. We are the ones who have chosen to make war with one another instead.

@FordeTough

15 күн бұрын

@@bodasactra I was quoting Brendan O’Neill, hence the quotation marks around the statement. And he was referencing the atrocities committed by the Nazis during the Holocaust.

@bodasactra

15 күн бұрын

@@FordeTough You agree with it. Israel was approved by the U.N. and created by the Jews themselves fighting off Arab coalition invasion they day they declared a state, its forged with Jewish blood. The Arab invasions displaced Muslims. Israel's constitution stated all were welcome and many stayed. Israel today has over 21% equal Muslim citizens, 2 million people. Muslim states cleansed all their Jews out of spite.

No occupying power has moral authority when it gets attacked by the people it’s occupying. Everyone has the right to be free of tyranny.

So now you bring some dumb people in here for interviews and they think that they’re experts on something that they don’t have any clue about…

🙄 whenever someone says nobody in our generation has to deal with wars I just laugh my way to the VA because we’ve definitely been at war since 01’

@ElishaZakai

19 күн бұрын

He was talking about Europeans

@b1bbscraz3y

19 күн бұрын

I get your point but people who were at war in 2001 can be like 40 or 50 today

@angelgomez7081

19 күн бұрын

@@b1bbscraz3yyeah and people who graduated in 2012 fought in Afghanistan it lasted 20 years

@Blah115

19 күн бұрын

@@ElishaZakaii’m from Europe and i was in the war from 1992 till 1995. This guy is full of bull

@Urelasir

19 күн бұрын

Yup, this guy is talking out off his ass.

I question whether "The lobby" is sending people to JRE now, I've never even seen this guy before

@findhos

18 күн бұрын

This is my first time seeing hearing him ever too

@mazharul

18 күн бұрын

💯

@Overlydripped

17 күн бұрын

Definitely is watch the Coleman Hughes interview the guy was obviously a paid propagandist surprised no one else noticed

@julovemoney

17 күн бұрын

I was thinking the exact same thing.

So refreshing to hear someone who actually looks at reality straight in the eyes, It's actually shocking for me how Joe is so false educated at this matter

There is a big difference between lunching a war where only Hamas combatants are fought and a massacre where the most number of casualties are civilians. Also, having wars started throughout history doesn’t mean that war should always be the solution. Especially if the war is made against the victims of more than 75 years of apartheid and occupation.

Dude says fighting colonialism is just and then condemns hamas for fighting colonialism.

@abdihoussein5245

19 күн бұрын

What a guy huh ? 😂😂😂

@delaseoul87

19 күн бұрын

The British Mandate was colonialism. Israel is not colonialist.

@fucanaoasis2000

19 күн бұрын

Which country is Israel a colony of ?

@periechontology

19 күн бұрын

He's condemning Hamas for intentionally killing babies

@wicksavage3459

19 күн бұрын

@@fucanaoasis2000 You have never heard of settler colonialism have you

Well give them YOUR country if you did this to them, not someone else's!!!

@information_handle

19 күн бұрын

What country was there before the current one?

@hexlemorte5201

19 күн бұрын

@@information_handlelook at a map before Israel it still says Palestine

@ElishaZakai

19 күн бұрын

The West Bank is literally called Judah and Samaria for 3000 years, and all of the historic names of the ancient cities are in Hebrew. I think there might be a reason that’s the land they ended in…

@roberthoddinott9160

19 күн бұрын

​@@ElishaZakaiwhat other people's would you find acceptable to uproot the current people and import people who lived there in antiquity? That's a genuine question.

@patriklundvall3296

19 күн бұрын

you make it sound like "palestine" existed as a country, before 69 :D before westbank, it was Jordan, before Jordan it was the british, Before british it was egypt. Before egypt it was ottomans, before ottomans it was mamluks before mamluks it was Annubids, before annubids it was kingdom jerusalem, So what "before" are you talking about?

This should be rejected by ANY American

Perfect and clear/simple explanation. If people (and Joe) dont get it after that they never will/don't want to..