Joel was literally in a gun fight, a car crash, almost died, and Ellie helped him murder someone. This episode never felt slow to me for a second

@remyd8767

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it's not slow. It's just short. I wanted more lol. I wish they added another 20 minutes that include encounters with the infected as they try to escape from the hunters

@boocraft4985

Жыл бұрын

Most people's issue the leader for the raiders. She comes off as very cringe and not scary. She honestly seems like the nice chubby lady from a work office that brings in cup cakes

@sherwintavarez8539

Жыл бұрын

@@boocraft4985 Yeah, she doesn’t seem like much of a villain, but our real confirmation of her character will probably next episode

@cynicaltheastrocreep4504

Жыл бұрын

@@boocraft4985 Lol she isn't supposed to be a scary monster. I feel for her and the oppression by fedra. She is one of many that has lost someone because of the military. They are all getting revenge on the "collaborators" who worked with the military they overthrew. I'm not saying she was perfect, obviously there were some flaws with her as a leader but I think it is well nuanced. Someone we're supposed to root against but still understand.

@jonfreeman9682

Жыл бұрын

It was a very touching moment when Ellie kills the guy begging for his life and calling to mommy. Then Joel tells Ellie to walk away and don't look. Brilliant scene. Don't think that's in the game.

My only issue with this episode was that Joel didn’t say “he ain’t even hurt” it’s such an awesome line

@MrMich1lol

Жыл бұрын

So true.

@MrMich1lol

Жыл бұрын

And it's the fact that he said "I'm sorry" right away for the fact Ellie had to shoot the gun. In the game it was in his character to be unapologetic and Ellie understood that. Here it's kinda makes him a more generic good "Dad" guy.

@mukke9728

Жыл бұрын

@@MrMich1lol Which is why people hated TLOU Part II but now it seems okay... I guess he didn't say the line becue he doesn't even have that accent BTW.

@shawklan27

Жыл бұрын

It's a legit "shit just got real moment" sad they removed it

@blackmanwithcomputer

Жыл бұрын

@@mukke9728 the haters of that game are the minority.

The last of us is joel and Ellie, that is the show, that is the plot. This episode was great, slow but it needed to be.

@Voldermortization

Жыл бұрын

Agree. The show absolutely needs to give us quality time with Joel and Ellie. That’s not slowing down the pace. Joel going from stone-faced to full laughter is significant story progression and worth 45 minutes.

@warv6039

Жыл бұрын

I disagree with this episode being great the action and brutality of the game wasn't present in this episode also the pacing for the shortest episode is slowest it felt like half of an episode to me or they could of cut the first 10 minutes. I get the show is about these two but I want more action and the fact that most of the fans are ok with the most important thing to happen in this episode is them entering a city and Joel laughing. Most boring episode of the show thus far and the lack of visceral violence is the most obvious in this episode. If that's what you want fine but too pretend this is the quality of the previous episode is delusional

@KonaLife

Жыл бұрын

@@warv6039 There needs to be character and story arc development. Episode 4 was great and will crescendo in Episode 5.

@WilyStinkyCoyote

Жыл бұрын

Yea. It’s almost directly taken from the game. 😅 Good show.

@Java9393

Жыл бұрын

@@warv6039 i like the more realistic aproach to the violence. What, a guy begging for his life wasnt enough for you?

My biggest complaint with episode 4 was it too short. Only 47 minutes. That and Kathleen wasn't nearly as intimidating as I expected.

@hellfish2309

Жыл бұрын

Agreed: I think if they wanted to write in a Karen, they needed to lean into ‘High Sparrow’… if the audience sees her performing service to her community right after seeing Brian die, but before she interrogates the Doctor, the audience accepts ‘oh she’s the ‘man of the people’ who inspired an uprising against FEDRA

@RealBradMiller

Жыл бұрын

I think Kathleen is very soft spoken, yet brutal, and this is meant to allude to her being kind of dropped into this role and blinded by vengeance.

@Stranzua

Жыл бұрын

I thought that Perry's respect for her was telling to how she gained that respect. I think we are going to see what she is capable of. We just haven't seen it yet.

@morganmcintyre6007

Жыл бұрын

And no infected at all 😅

@ronyolo8419

Жыл бұрын

Kathleen is the only character so far that sucks, and it’s kinda the acting. Like a bunch of people listening to her is somewhat unbelievable, but then again she’s only been in one episode lol.

I don't see how anyone can call it a filler episode. This was another epic part of the game, and everything from the puns to the laughter, to the hunters, and to meeting Henry and Sam, everything contributed to the story.

@jonfreeman9682

Жыл бұрын

Well episode 3 was more filler than this as this is story progression for Joel and Ellie.

@VENO412

Жыл бұрын

Nothing filler or slow about it. People just have shit attention spans. I laughed at the caption of this video lol was slow but good! Wtf lol

People can't help but knit pick at amazing content. The writing goes beyond expectations, especially when it comes to the details of Ellie and Joel's relationship growth.

@paulwoodford1984

Жыл бұрын

😂 You simpleton. The voice acting in the game and story in the game is far superior in every single way. Pascal is terrible in this show.

@michaelriley8314

Жыл бұрын

@@paulwoodford1984 incorrect. Garentee you can't do better.

@paulwoodford1984

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelriley8314 😂 one hundred percent i could

@michaelriley8314

Жыл бұрын

@@paulwoodford1984 one hundred percent you couldn't. Now be quiet kid.

@paulwoodford1984

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelriley8314 let’s be honest, it’s not difficult to write a better show or act better than these current day actors. They are not hired for their talent

Kathleen seems very realistic, in our current world it seems the people who simply have the drive to lead... get to where they're going. It doesn't matter how cool you look, it's more about the drive to lead and the willingness to never give up. They could have had another actress with a visually appealing look, but I think in this new world folks just don't have their top priority being cool looking. The more real you seem the more people will follow you because they can relate to you. The stakes of being a leader in this story doesn't come with benefits, you either do it or not and if you fail people die. So that kinda empties the plate of folks who just want to *try* being a leader and replaces them with people who will do what is absolutely in their own interest. I like that she's not cool, not striking in appearance and just a person who simply has the will.

@kraeutrpolizei

Жыл бұрын

Also the people might have decided to follow a different Kathleen in the past, one less cynical and less paranoid. There's loads of examples in history of people becoming worse characters with passing time. I had that feeling with Kathleen. That would also explain why Beard Dude still trusts her.

@Unworshipediety

Жыл бұрын

@@kraeutrpolizei Yeah, she kinda reminds me of someone people have problems with but no one has the will to do what she does... so in effect she remains by default because while folks may disagree with her no one wants to inherit her responsibies.

@TheNuncFluens

Жыл бұрын

Don't you think you need physical strength in this kind of world to be a leader?

@statha3624

Жыл бұрын

It doesn't matter if she has the will, cause realistically noone would follow her as a leader in an apocalyptic setting. When you can be taken down each and every single one of your henchmen they will do it, so I'm sorry it just wouldn't happen

@Unworshipediety

Жыл бұрын

@@TheNuncFluens in a reality where there is a tomorrow sure! But 20 years is a long time to hold on to commonalities.

Honestly episode 4 may be my favorite because their bonding is so sweet. By the end of the episode they’re laughing like kids at a sleepover. After Ellie saves Joel’s life, they have a long bonding conversation that really contributes to the plot.

Episodes like this one and Episode 3 are needed in a great show that emotionally connects you to the story and its characters. Action and thrilling scenes are needed and necessary, but not all the time. This show has a perfect balance of world/character-building and tension/action.

I will preserve my judgment for the Kathleen character for ep 5. The fact that she is like your friends' mom make it more realistic cuz these are normal ppl that just overturn Fedra, sometime in the real world not many leader look like a leader at first. To me she even felt selfish and only care about revenge when ignore the moving pit and assume Joel and Ellie is Henry allies.

Idk I still loved the episode because... Pedro being a dad is all I need and I love how they're getting closer with Ellie

@hansolowe19

Жыл бұрын

Did you know that diarrhea is hereditary?

@TheStriker_26.

Жыл бұрын

@@hansolowe19 cuz it run in your jeans

While it may be slow moving, with no much action happening, it's still very captivating, and helps us to get to know the characters better.

It was our first full on Joel n' Ellie episode. It was very necessary. And it's probably a good thing to not have a tragedy in each episode. (Well, okay, except for poor Brian)

I wish we could get more before episode scenes showing how initial outbreak looked like. These were clearly the nests scenes in whole show

@jonfreeman9682

Жыл бұрын

Yeah we only got a flashback to how it started but not much on its origins. Also the room where the zombies are starting to break thru the ground was brilliant.

I personally loved this episode. Great character interactions, some tension and my favorite scene from this ep was when Ellie and Joel were about to fall asleep towards the end of the episode

Literally half of the game and the main point of the game is the bonding of Joel and Ellie. This is the main content.

Slow and steady wins the race.

I think Kathleen is probably meant as a character who likely never wanted to be a leader, but despite being soft-spoken, she gets stuff done and keeps things organized. She also seems quite intelligent and clever, but like many in her group, as we see with Brian going after Joel after Joel shot his friend, she is driven in large part by vengeance, despite their main target already being defeated.

If one of those episode was filler, it was 3 lmao. But I don't get how people can say a 10 ep season can have fillers. Not every ep needs a buttload of action, 3 main character deaths and one epic fight.

This was spot on from the Cathleen part to the character dev part. I feel bad for those who don't have the patience to deal with the build up. This is going somewhere, and if you played the games you know what happens in Winter and why the bond between them is important to highlight.

@Chadius_Thundercock

Жыл бұрын

What development is she gonna get, chances are that bitch is dead next episode

I appreciate how you starting the video right away, now intro. Straight to your thoughts, its concise props to you keep it up!

I also think that this episode was also a bit of a breather, because imagine how emotionally drained we would feel if they showed the Frank/Bill episode and then hit us with the tragedy that is the Henry/Sam arc.

On Kathleen - you might have missed the point. In the podcast, the writers said that the uneasiness we feel towards her and her lack of badassery and confidence is the point, as she's not supposed to be this badass hardcore leader. Her followers might also already question her legitimacy and choices, as Jeffrey does in this episode. We are so used to the archetype of the badass manly confident leader that nobody questiones in media that most people fail to see what they were doing with her in this episode.

@jay2thaudy

Жыл бұрын

Glad I'm not the only one that sees this. It's lazy of the viewer to need an archetype from every character.

@Sponce03

Жыл бұрын

We already know that her overlooking the infected threat in the building is going to lead to a lot of people dying unnecessarily so I think they are setting her up to fail as a leader. Killing the doctor is also another objectively bad & selfish decision. There are already enough strong female characters on this show with Tess, Marlene and Ellie that I don't think the writers would hesitate portraying a woman in charge who is out of her depth which is the sort of thing that would typically enlist backlash in today's world. 🙄

@Voldermortization

Жыл бұрын

I saw this too. The subtlety has slipped past many people. Even the casting choice reinforces this point. For a mild mannered woman who can barely shout to be the leader, she must have some other quality that we haven’t seen yet.

This and episode 3 are the best episodes so far for me, Ramsey's performance as Ellie is getting stronger. I know they don't always film chronologically but I wasn't sold on her until this episode.

The story is about the human condition. Particularly how to cope in an a chaotic environment. Joel goes from a jubilant loving father, to a hardened survivor who doesn’t allow himself to open up, to love, or care for people, knowing the pain of loss. The story shows how he grows with Ellie. They both have great character arcs in the story. The ending is perfect as well. This is why episode 3 was so great. It acted as a microcosm for the development of Ellie and joel.

the way i rank the 4 episodes so far is this 1. episode 3 because the frank and bill storyline made me tear up and was masterfully done. 2. episode 1 because the opening was really well done and built up so much tension. 3.episode 4 because its really the first time we've gotten a full episode to just Joel and Elli 4.Episode 2 because while there was a great tense clicker scene and tess's death, I did think Tess's death was a little underwhelming but still a great episode nonethless. And also the opening in Jaktar was great. (closing thought) The last of us has great potential to be an all time great HBO show and I'm excited for the future!

[EDIT: HEAVY SPOILERS] I personally thought the cast choice for Kathleen was perfection. Kathleen is not someone who ever thought she would be in power. She tells us the story of how her brother would comfort her in their bedroom when there was a storm thundering outside. She is used to being #2, never "top dog" but his right hand woman, whom he protects. She only stepped into this leadership role 2 weeks ago because of the unexpected murder of her brother. It forced her to assume leadership. So to me, this character is brought to life by the nuances that Melanie Lynskey portrayed. Once I understood more about Kathleen and put myself in her shoes as the second-in-command forced now to be the leader, the acting choices made a lot more sense to me. Those criticizing her as "not bold, commanding, or decisive enough" are not realizing that all of those things are true of Kathleen, but that's exactly the point. That's why she's extra terrifying. She doesn't have the wisdom, expertise, or demeanor of a leader and yet, well, here she is now having to be the leader.

thankyou for this great video! This is personally my favourite episode so far for all the reasons you mentioned which a lot of people are overlooking.

So excited for Friday!

My only real problem with this episode was no flashback scene. Those are the ones i look out for since they're not in the game.

@devanloa

Жыл бұрын

Okay? The fuck you on drugs? So what This show isn't gonna be WLL the game That would be boring

@rezaiyaz1439

Жыл бұрын

@@devanloa you sound like you're on drugs there friend

@devanloa

Жыл бұрын

@@rezaiyaz1439 oh I'm sorry trying to say woke every time someone's gay That's you love :) you believe everything that is against Hitler 1.0 is "woke"

Maybe it's me, but while Kathleen doesn't "look" intimidating, the fact that she's acting out of anger and vengeance makes her scary to me. I feel like we tend to stereotype what leaders are meant to look like, especially in a setting like this, and I think Kathleen is purposely written to not be whatever people imagined she would be, with Perry potentially being the softer one trying to stop her from exploding.

@rockindocs5716

Жыл бұрын

I agree. It subverts expectations and makes you wonder why a lady, who doesn't sound like she's ever raised her voice in her life, has suddenly started murdering people and hunting down people who disagree with her

@kushal4516

Жыл бұрын

she ain't no negan.. just another side trash in this story so far no one cares.. even this ellie actor is piece of trash hired by woke hbo team

You nailed it with that female “leader” character. She truly seemed like a soccer mom.

@alexman378

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, well, the quotas need filling, unfortunately, even if they seem nonsensical…

@Iozott

Жыл бұрын

I don’t wanna be that guy.. but her voice is so high and it kind of makes it hard to take her scenes seriously. Maybe it’s just her acting but lol

@Corvo-zs7dx

Жыл бұрын

Apparently she was meant to be that way. They meant for us to not take her seriously and ask how the hell she became a leader. They might show how that happened.

@jamie_d0g978

Жыл бұрын

@@alexman378 She's based in thr nameless mother who overthrew FEDRA in thr game notes out of revenge for them beating her kid to death. It's just a random villain for a couple of episodes

@alexman378

Жыл бұрын

@@jamie_d0g978 That doesn’t change much of anything…

Why are people so offended by “filler”? It’s needed for world building and character development. I love slow episodes like this because I feel like it was needed to develop Joel and Ellie’s relationship which is essential to the show. Not everything needs to be Action! Action! Action! :)

I found episode 3 even though good, more of a filler episode. I found myself wondering when we would get back to Joel and Ellie throughout the episode even though it was cool to get a more detailed backstory for Bill.

@dunwick1568

Жыл бұрын

It was different for me. I almost forgot about Joel and Ellie. I guess I was captivated by the whole Bill's story.

@mangaas

Жыл бұрын

I went back to watch the cutscenes from the game, as I thought the show was a cool twist / improvement with Bills town in the show... But then I saw how much better it is done in the game, all the way up to them finding Frank's body, and then Frank's note. About how he hated Bill and grown sick of living with him. The game actually was done better, and includes the 2 main protagonists.

@rise-my-angel

Жыл бұрын

@@mangaas its not trying to be the game is the point.

@destinyhntr

Жыл бұрын

@@rise-my-angel If the game was done better, it should have tried to be like the game. If a book is great, you shouldn't try to adapt a worse movie that doesn't follow the book. It should be the same for games.

@rise-my-angel

Жыл бұрын

@@destinyhntr thats not what adaptation is but whatever go replay the games if you prefer it shut up about stuff other people enjoy

new to channel since tlou came out, loving it!!! thank u!!1

Maybe it’s just me, but I quite like Kathleen. I think her character is very unique, she’s softspoken but very motherly, and I think the villainy of her character will come from her motherly instinct to do anything to protect her people. I’m excited to see more of her!

I didn’t think it was slow at all. It has great writing and the connection between Ellie and Joel was a compelling and awesome to see develop through out the episode, it’s like each scene between them was a conflict within itself. The action scene was fucking great too. 9/10 easy

i know its not filler. episode 3 was the filler

Thank god I didn’t play the game before the show and I can just take it as it is. Seems like the second something changes or isn’t EXACTLY the same as the game it’s either not noteworthy or even bad. Y’all better prepare for things to change though, cause Graig said from here on out EVERYONE is going to be surprised

@rockindocs5716

Жыл бұрын

I played the game and I'm honestly thrilled with how it is going so far. I don't understand the diehard gamers who get they're hackles up when sometimes is a little diff. If it was just gonna be a shot for shot rehash of the game I'd be bored and not watch. After all, the game is amazing and I love the OGs, they did it perfectly. This being different makes it feel like something new and exciting again while still paying homage to and being respectful of the game we all love.

@thac0twenty377

Жыл бұрын

What is about that is that they make these small changes to characters and character moments that don't seem big, but they really change the payoff later. It makes the Joel Ellie dynamic a lot different.

Episode 3 was "filler" if we're going there a hell of a lot more episode 4 is

I liked Joel and Ellie’s chemistry in this episode.

Do people even know what filler means anymore?

@TheStriker_26.

Жыл бұрын

What do u mean by that?

@SolisFactor

Жыл бұрын

@@TheStriker_26. What do you mean what do I mean? The video talks about how people think episode 4 is filler, when it literally isn't. Hence the rhetorical question.

@TheStriker_26.

Жыл бұрын

@@SolisFactor ok i thought u were talking about someting else

I think people are judging Kathleen's character too early. We'll see how they deliver, but Craig and Neil explicitly say in the podcast with Troy Baker that you're supposed to wonder why the guy who looks military trained is listening to an awkward, intimidating character like Kathleen. My guess is she's pivotal to motivating the city to overtake FEDRA and she has the people's support, even if she doesn't herself give off hardened survivor vibes. I mean, we catch her character in a moment when they're caught off guard. They're trying to get rid of the "collaborators" and Joel and Ellie just killed a group of people who were involved in their usually pretty reliable trap. And it's not like the hunters in the game were portrayed as this super disciplined group like the WLF or something. They're a loose collection of normal people who just got fed up with FEDRA.

@Mi_tala

Жыл бұрын

i mean,is still on build up, I wasn't so sure bella as ellie on the first 3 episode until episode 4 came out and im just as wrong,maybe Kathleen could be good tho?

The title pretty much describes my thoughts on episode 3. Slow but still great. Episode 4 I thought was great and wasn't slow in fact it's the shortest episode. But overall loving the show so far.

Spot on brother loved this review 👏🏽👑❤️

This is what i signed up for. Loved the episode

Only thing I didn’t like was that the scene where they drive into the convenience store was nowhere near as intense as I’m the game. In the game I could barely breathe it was so intense, in the show was just eh

It feels so weird coming back to joel and ellie after the super impactful third episode

Episode 3 was filler and pointless. It was a backstory for a character that died in the same episode. Joel and Ellie could have found a truck with supplies in it or just found Bill's house at the end of episode 2 and #3 could have been skipped. Honestly, if you didn't watch #3 you wouldn't even know it was gone. You would wonder where they got the truck and supplies but you would have assumed they found it.

@leviwakeham

Жыл бұрын

Dang you should be in charge of making this show your takes are very good!

@brixcer5681

Жыл бұрын

@@leviwakeham well they are. Can't believe people think 4 is filler when 3 litteraly did nothing. Hey lets make a pointless and forced lovestory instead of progressing the story

@leviwakeham

Жыл бұрын

@@brixcer5681 Just say you’re a closeted homosexual and that episode made you feel things you’re afraid of admitting. You don’t have to keep hating yourself..

@brixcer5681

Жыл бұрын

@@leviwakeham love how people can't give it critisism without being called a homophobe. The episode was pointless. Them being gay had nothing to do with. Bill was a paranoid fanatic and he just invited a random guy inside and slept with him, yeah really made sens from how we see bill act in the beginning.

@leviwakeham

Жыл бұрын

@@brixcer5681 I'm calling you a homosexual not a homophobe... but if you insist on being a homophobe I can't keep you from hating yourself

i adored this episode, mostly because you can see how joel is begrudgingly fond of ellie already

This was my favourite one. This is what the story is about, Ellie and Joel dynamic. Cool combat encounters.

The next episode “Endure and Survive” looks insane I CANT WAIT!!!

I think this show is great and this episode might be my favorite so far. Really rich world building, character development, action. I LOVE your channel - breaking down the best stuff on TV is a great way to learn film making concepts

I think that was the point of Kathleen's character, she is not the architype villain. Obviously, seems confusing at first but she illustrates that everyone can change when they are put through a traumatic situation. I think her development over the next ep or two made her even more chilling because you realize her motivation and the circumstances on how they got here.

it wasnt slow, it was literally just short, it was just 40 mins! we need MORE! ITS TOO GOOD TO END SO QUICKLY

I like Kathleen as a character because I think she’s even more terrifying because she’s unassuming. It may not tells us why she’s in command but we know the resistances respects her authority which allows us to fill in the awful things she’s done to command such a violent group.

In my opinion, I thought episode 3 was filler. It was a backstory that did nothing for the plot, and Bill ends up dying. I wish we got the action set piece from the game. So far this world doesn't feel dangerous like the game felt.

I wanted to see more of Joel and Ellie dealing with the infected and have them sprinkle in the drama bits in between

@jonfreeman9682

Жыл бұрын

Yeah we didn't get much this time round but next episode should be more infected.

What made you possible think that it was filler?

Nah episode 3 was filler. This episode was integral to the story. I loved this episode and their dynamic.

@leviwakeham

Жыл бұрын

Your life is a filler

@RemyBeast

Жыл бұрын

@@leviwakeham way to get offended by a strangers opinion lol

The fact people are calling episode 4 "filler" but then claim episode 3 is the "best episode yet" is absolutely hilarious to me.

Oh this episode has been my favorite lol my heart lives for Joel and Ellie bonding! When they were laughing at the joke at the end 😭 it didn't seem slow to mee, I would've loved 2 hours of it 🤣 Can't wait for Friday!!

I don't think slow or filler but way too short

The first two episodes established backstory and the corducept, and the third episode gave a side story that ties thematically into the main game. Episode 4 was necessary to be slow to give Joel and Ellie more character growth between them and establish the large plot of episode 5. Not every episode can be balls to the wall.

This episode is about bonding. It’s not conventional, it’s not quick but it’s there.

I think it makes a lot of sense that Perry, the army guy, would not a be the leader. He is someone who is clearly more used to taking orders then being the one giving them. He has the military experience yes, but that experience has made him someone who follows what he superiors says. In a way it does make sense that a Karen-type would be charge because if you think about who those kinds of people are, they are very good at getting what they want, very good being manipulative, very good at forcing/making listen people to them and they tend to get their way. If you think about these two types of personalities it makes a lot of sense for them end up in the positions that they do.

@away8886

Жыл бұрын

This is a post apocalyptic world, why would they follow her. Her voice doesn’t exude confidence , she’s quite and not physically strong

I think Kathleen was meant to feel weird in the leader roll because we find out that the only reason she was leader and people followed her was because of how well respected and good of a leader her brother was. I also didn't get the impression that people really beleived her manipulation, they more just went along with it. I think people are still holding onto the legacy of her brother and dont want to face the reality that his sister isnt him. Her anger at her brothers death also drove them to actually overthrow fedra but her anger is all she really has going for her as a leader. No one really knows how to turn a revolution into a functioning society.

I think Kathleen being a PTA soccer mom is the point. The podcast talked about humanizing villains, and this group becoming just a bad as FEDRA after they overthrew them. I think FEDRA killed Kathleen’s brother, she riled up this group, and then suddenly everyone is looking to her as the leader of this revolution that is quickly becoming a violent oppressive group, and Kathleen didn’t sign up for that, isn’t equipped for it, and is just trying to live up to what everyone is expecting of her. Shes not threatening because you don’t threaten people to join a revolution, you inspire them. Y’all can’t use two brain cells to realize the “mis-cast” of the character IS THE GODDAMN POINT

You would be surprised what people do for the superbowl. When I was deployed we would stop all military operations for the super bowl. Hbo made the right financial decision

Episode 3 was more filler than this episode was. Instead of seeing Joel and Ellie for only 10 minutes and watching Bill eat strawberries, we actually got some relationship building between the two main characters and the action we felt was lacking in episode 3

@sliceofzura

Жыл бұрын

But the relationship we do see is not as good as the game, the scenes of Ellie saving Joel weren’t as good and Joel getting all sappy with Ellie way too soon doesn’t make much sense and feels less believable than the game

@ea.fitz216

Жыл бұрын

I don't think you know what filler is.

Are people really complaining that this was slow paced? That thought didn't even occur to me at all. It was all character work, building towards the core of the entire dang story. And it delivered on so many fun moments. I admit I also had that thought about Kathleen though. She's not fearsome so I figured she must somehow have a huge amount of respect from her men. Guess we'll find out more next time.

@brixcer5681

Жыл бұрын

2nd episode was slow. It was like walking and talking until the ending. Then 3 was just two dudes doing nothing for 80min and now when something finaly happens people call it filler

I preferred this episode to episode 3. Great acting, great take on the story, great everything.

I would like that after the season ends, you could do a "All HBO Original shows ranked" video, you are the best one analyzing HBO Shows.

Ngl I didn’t think it was slow. I actually thought the opposite. The tension from being chased by a militia had me excited.

I absolutely loved the puns and the fact that the last one made Joel laugh. It was laughing along with joy

I just wish the episode was longer!

I think people are missing the point with Kathleen. She doesn't need to be a physically intimidating character because she's a terror emotionally and she has the blind respect of her followers. She makes cold, calculating decisions that in the end are her undoing.

This episode was actually one of my favorites

Lmao you want the definition of filler? Go watch episode 3

I’ve really enjoyed the show so far, but I must confess I’m a bit worried if the Sam and Henry storyline doesn’t stay true to the game. The game’s version of events was so impactful on both the player and the characters, and it’s fantastic. I hope they don’t divert things too much here.

I love how they show that Ellie is nervous that Joel is going to get rid of her soon so she's asking these questions so she can be prepared when it happens

Yeah, the only thing I didn't love about the episode was Kathleen. She absolutely did not give ruthless machiavelian leader. The most obvious reason is her voice. It's so light and sweet. It feels more like she's struggling to have people take her seriously instead of effortlessly commanding respect, unlike, say, Marlene. So, seeing all these people eagerly following her orders felt off.

Loved this episode, gave us some of the best Joel and Ellie scenes. My only gripe was the episode was just too short. Was expecting one last 15 segment but then it just ended abruptly. Definitely not underwhelming.

this shows Elle as brave. Because bravery needs to be an overcoming of fear. it was not filler.

I like to think that Joel learned the glass trick from Mission Impossible. He’s an action movie buff after all.

I think when looking back at the season as whole, this episode will make a lot of sense. It's a necessary downtime in story telling. But on a weekly release basis, I can see the critiques people are making in the moment.

The third guy busting in and nearly killing Joel was not a surprise to me, there were 3 guys, one faking being hurt, one on a fire escape who dropped a cinder block on the car, and the final guy with the gun who forced Joel to turn. Joel was in a gun fight with the two who were on the ground and killed them, but the third hadn't shown up yet, and Chekov's gun wouldn't allow for that third guy to just turn tail and run, he had to show up again.

Idk felt short but this may be my favorite episode

Also when they do call backs to the game does it not feel a tad forced to anyone, it never really ever comes of naturally, just feels forced to make you go “oh that line is from the game”

I like that we get more and more backstory to joel/Tess/Tommy dripfed to us

Brian had me questioning everything

Literally my thoughts.

This was my favorite episode..

Slow?! This episode was BRILLIANT with the character development between Joel and Ellie! I adored every minute of the interaction! “Go to sleep!” “You go to sleep!”

They haven’t had a “Filler” episode yet

honestly thought that episode 3 was slower than this episode

@TheStriker_26.

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Cuz it was actually slow and long to

Cathleen is post apocalyptic Karen. She uses zero logic and is driven only by emotions (vengeance). I'm getting some vibes that she'll be overthrown

@spoonkitchenware

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It's been confirmed by Neil Druckman that she was designed in a way where we would question why people followed her. So, she'll either be overthrown, or we'll figure out the real reason why she's being followed. If it's the latter, then whatever the reason is, it's probably really fucked. The annoying thing is, everyone just assumed that it was bad writing and not an intentional creative decision, so a lot of people are hating on the actress, the character, and Neil without any proper context.

This is literally my favourite episode so far, even over 3

Who the fuck would call this episode filler?

The only reason I wanted this episode longer was to see what happens with Henry and Sam right after, but I am sure they would have left that as a cliffhanger at the end even if they had 20-30 more minutes.