I'd rather have a Hydrogen over Electric anytime

@Rich77UK

9 ай бұрын

I saw a fully road legal Honda Jazz powered by 100% hydrogen in 2004. It was amazing and totally hooked me on it as the future.

@lesterbeedell9725

8 ай бұрын

Hydrogen takes massive quantities of electricity to produce Why not just stick with diesel?

@Officialnrb

6 ай бұрын

@@lesterbeedell9725 Emissions

@lesterbeedell9725

6 ай бұрын

@@Officialnrb modern diesel and petrol cars have to comply with the strictest standards for emissions

@Officialnrb

6 ай бұрын

@@lesterbeedell9725 Just answered your question. Don’t shoot the messenger.

This is a good illustration of the reason why those who are presently masquerading as our government should leave matters like this to our industrial leaders - they knows best !

We are on our 5th BEV cars and we currently drive 1 each, but as a farmer we also have a JCB teleporter which we are happy to run with diesel for the foreseeable future.

The problem with EV-powered heavy equipment, is the charge time. As these machines are very often used in places that don't have mains power (especially high-current power supplies), you are limited to slow, low current charging. I've seen videos where the TWO hours of use, requires EIGHT hours of charging from diesel generator - that amount of downtime and emissions is just totally unacceptable. Hopefully Hydrogen ICE will provide a way forward.

@rare_wubbox360

9 ай бұрын

Hydrogen is a dead end imho Reminds me of Volvo bev truck vs Tesla truck.. the former takes forever to charge, and have just a few hour run time. In other Word its useless Tesla truck can run an entire day.. and need 30min to charge up to 90%… Bet Bev trucs and tractors is the future - but the old players will not bring us compelling products..

@RangieNZ

9 ай бұрын

@@rare_wubbox360If you do the maths though on those 'Tesla semi chargers' each charger would be consuming the same electricity as ~1400 homes, which is just insanity! The electric grid cannot cope with that amount of load turning on and off..

@Simon-dm8zv

9 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@RangieNZGuess what, a vehicle with hydrogen combustion engine consumes 5 times as much as that.

@RangieNZ

9 ай бұрын

@@Simon-dm8zv The thing with hydrogen though, is it can be done constantly, in the background (- say using renewables) over hours or days and then stored in tanks. Filling the vehicle takes just a few minutes to transfer the gas.

@Simon-dm8zv

9 ай бұрын

@@RangieNZ Still doesn’t justify the very low efficiency. Most EVs also charge slowly in the background during the day and night. Fast chargers can be equipped with batteries to buffer.

Makes more sense for offshore rig operations on the water for oil drilling but might have important uses for onshore USA oil and natural gas operations both to power compressors and actual rolling stock. Definitely Space Age fuel as both positive and negative.

Hydrogen is being promoted & invested in by not only JCB but many other large industrial or mining companies. For example Fortescue the huge Australian mining company announced today the opening of a 2GW electrolyser stack business in Queensland. Additionally its subsidiary Fortescue Future Industries is doing deals all over the planet promoting hydrogen.

Once Hydrogen infrastructure is ready, the mass adaptation of Hydrogen engines will be unstoppable.

No one realises the logistics in moving hydrogen or how inefficient it is to make. You think leaky gas pipes are bad, wait until you see how easy it is for Hydrogen to leak through metal and exceptionally more explosive. If they had 2 batteries and could hot swap as one digger was used and the other battery charged on site that could work. Unfortunately for farming and big vehicles Diesel is the only way right now. I love EV's and solar and truly believe that battery storage at 95% efficiency on solar farms is the way forward. Doesn't have to be lithium as space is not an issue.

@johnmunro4952

9 ай бұрын

This isn't going to be run through pipes! You will hire ( or buy) the hydrogen plant machinery and JCB will supply the bowser of hydrogen fuel. It's no different from how it's done today. It's not like you drive a digger to a petrol station. The reason I believe in this is because this isn't a government initiative. This is a private ( market leading) company putting their money where their mouth is. The only thing that might put a downer on this, is the stalling construction sector killing demand.

@Simon-dm8zv

9 ай бұрын

⁠@@johnmunro4952 “Bamford is a major donor to the UK Conservative Party, with JCB and related Bamford entities giving the party £8.1m in cash or kind between 2007 and 2017.” Just because something is a government initiative does not mean it is good. Physics simply prove that hydrogen combustion is a terrible idea.

What I find worrying about ev's is the number of spontaneous fires that these batteries cause. Take for example the recent cargo ship fire off Holland. All that the emergency services could do was spray water on the outside of the ships hull instead of pouring water on top of the ship which could have caused it to sink. Then there are the number of reports of lithium battery powered scooters setting fire in houses while on charge.There is another problem with ev batteries, how do you recycle them ? As far as I am aware, there is no financially viable method of doing this. The whole ev scenario just has not been properly thought through from day 1.

if burning pure oxygen and hydrogen pnly then you will produce nothing but steam , but your burning hydrogen plus air and air contains nitrogen so you are actually producing steam and NOX

India JCB India is looking at selling more excavators in India and expects to sell around 20,000 machines this year.With rising spending on infrastructure going on across the country, the construction equipment industry has been seeing a surge in demand for excavators, which led to a 4x growth in the next seven to eight years. According to Deepak Shetty, CEO and managing director, JCB India, India is at number three in excavator manufacturing in the world behind China and the US and is soon going to be the second largest manufacturer in the world. From around 85,000 units annually, the country is all set to churn out 2,50,000 units by 2030 because of the infrastructure spent on roads, railways and mining.

@ 3:05 he says gasoline

Excellent video! Very well explained! I personally think that the drive to a emission, pollution free transport future is multifaceted & shouldn’t be driven by political dogma! JCB, Toyota & other manufacturers are leading the way to this technological rather than forced transition to a carbon free future! 👍

Its a no brainer hydrogen any day of the week !!

The weight of batteries in a JCB is a silly argument when they have to have a counterweight anyway. What I want to know is how big are the fuel tanks and how much does it cost to fill them?

@fibreguy1971

10 ай бұрын

According to Lord Bamford the extra weight means every machine category which on excavators is based upon weight such as a 20t machine a 30t machine etc would go up a category without the increase in performance of that uncreased weight class. In other words it is massively more than the counterweight. Also machines frequently have to operate for over 16 hours in different shifts. Farm machinery such as harvesting equipment maybe even longer. This is why hydrogen is so exciting, same weight, same work, and quick refuelling. I therefore think he and his huge team of engineers are probably right.

@morphelan

10 ай бұрын

@@fibreguy1971 I wouldn't be putting my money on Lord Bamford's engineers since they can't make a decent diesel engine as it is. Good diggers when they're actually running though.

@Simon-dm8zv

9 ай бұрын

@@fibreguy1971But insanely high energy consumption.

Yes yes yes good job

10:07 jcb machinery all the way

Is there any thought to using your hydrogen engines in a hybrid electric vehicle?

@paulraper6399

8 ай бұрын

Indeed Toyota has been working on hydrogen ICE's for years, and Cummins is also full on a pace with developing their own ICE's powered by hydrogen.

No engine can burn fuel stoichiometrically. So, incomplete H2 combustion will include side reactions producing ammonia amongst other poisonous gases.

Nope. Hindenburg v2.0 Forget about H2 as s motor / heating / reticulated fuel. Anyway, wr need to DOUBLE the atmospheric concentration of CO2, otherwise we will face massive desertification and starvation. CO2 emissions must not be confused with pollution and particulates.

Drinking game. Every time he says JCB tike a shot. Good luck

So is this JCB H engine SO much better than Toyotas new H engine OR Mercedes new H engine or GMs new H engine or MACKs new H engine OR... !

Not to sure you know about the J.I. Case backhoe 320.

Rica etsem otomatik çeviri seçeneklerine Türkçe dil seçeneği ekleyebilir misiniz ? Sizi anlamak ve takip etmek istiyorum !!!

3:06 Why do they need a bowser delivering gasoline?

@tedhardulak7698

10 ай бұрын

Yea I caught that too. You would think a company this big would proof read its video a little better.

I am desirous of hydrogen solutions vs .EVs-- it seems to be better that mining for lithium, which of course creates it's own problems.

Due to the laws of physics energy cannot be created or lost only converted from one source to another hydrogen will never be as efficient as using electricity to power a vehicle. The losses in converting the electrical energy into hydrogen and then converting the hydrogen to power the vehicle will result in poor efficiency with a large proportion of the original energy turned into waste heat.

The reason this will not work is simple Physics. If you generate 100 Watts of wind power. This is how much useful energy will remain to drive the wheels. Direct Charging EV 73 Watts (Losses: Transmission / Battery charging/motor efficiency) Hydrogen Fuel Cell 22 Watts (Losses: Electrolysis/Compression/transportation, Conversion, motor efficiency) Hydrogen combustion Engine 13 Watts (Losses: Electrolysis/Compression/transportation, combustion) I think it is obvious that using 6 times more raw energy will never be economically viable. It sounds like a good idea, but the physics says it is not.

Need to double check the script, a lot of minor errors

Hydrogen is what we should be developing instead of EVs. EVs might look nice on paper but our current electric grid can't handle them and the pollution created by making/disposing of the EVs batteries pretty much off sets the benefit. EVs are a good start but idk if it's the solution unless the batteries change

@Simon-dm8zv

9 ай бұрын

EV is the best solution we have. Hydrogen will always remain too inefficient. We cannot afford consuming five times as much energy.

Btw 'Gasoline' is not 'Hydrogen Gas'! I like the idea of bridging the gap, that will ensure the newer electric EV concepts and technology to mature. We do have time and need to slow down a bit before we make a right hash of going green!

No matter what chemistry one uses for batteries they are still batteries that only store electrons for a finite time and have limited longevity. Hydrogen on the other hand will combust in atmospheric air and turn into water with out GHG emissions, forever. That technology will never change its basic physics. So if the goal is to save the planet then Hydrogen for transportation is the only fuel that replaces Fossil fuels. And that is a fact. Batteries for transport are futile fantasy that will accelerate fossil fuel use because the mining for Lithium and cobalt and processing of, at large scale will demand more fossil fuel use. But we need to make more Green electricity to achieve this goal.

Bamford is chairman. Other than saying "yes do that" he has zero input on this important engine. I will also NEVER forgive the tw@ for mailing all JCB staff explaining the "benefits" of Brexit.

i heard you get twice the energy from hydrogen fuel cell.

@ItsAllJustBollox

9 ай бұрын

Hydrogen can only contain the energy used to create it less the losses in conversion it is impossible to have twice the energy. The law of conservation of energy states that energy can neither be created nor be destroyed. Although, it may be transformed from one form to another.

@Simon-dm8zv

9 ай бұрын

Hydrogen fuel cell is less inefficient than hydrogen combustion. That is what mr. Weston meant.

@ItsAllJustBollox

9 ай бұрын

@@Simon-dm8zv yep, but still nothing like the 80% plus of an EV. Hydrogen fuel cells are generally between 40% to 60% energy efficient, according to the U.S. Department of Energy. This range compares to the typical internal combustion engine of a car, which is about 25% energy efficient.

@Simon-dm8zv

9 ай бұрын

@@ItsAllJustBollox Exactly. EV is the way to go.

“A 7.5 Mercedes tonne truck” 😂😂😂😂

EV’s have a place but they aren’t the total answer. Maybe 20% no more the 30%.

@Johnsmith-zi9pu

9 ай бұрын

With the current battery technology EVs don't have much of a future at all. If it wasn't for the subsidies Evs would disappear like a morning mist.

@CaptainProton1

9 ай бұрын

@@Johnsmith-zi9pu I know right, my 9 year old Tesla Model S with 175k miles on it has lost a whopping 6% real world range and cost nothing to fuel (home solar) what a terrible vehicle so slow and very unsafe on the roads as well.

@Johnsmith-zi9pu

9 ай бұрын

@@CaptainProton1 Shortly your pile of E-waste will go to landfill and the coal fired power station the energized it will still be there.

@Simon-dm8zv

9 ай бұрын

@@Johnsmith-zi9puCO2 emissions are still far and far lower than anything else.

Yes liquid hydrogen is the way to go as its a derivation of LPG one thing that wasnt mentioned was the equivelent run time on a tank of Hydrogen gas or liquid .. my experience in Canada was that LPG required to fillups a day to Diesels once a day ... The next that wasnt mentioned was cost compared to say diesel fuel taking into account distribution network in place ... Yes JCB visitations to the Factory i've lost count lol

Does no one spell or sense check anymore?

JCB can’t even get their ft4 diesels to run right.

@KevinFreist

10 ай бұрын

right .becayse the industry eco nazis choked thier engineering to useless. this tech is far superior and too bad about everyones poor little feelings. battery tech is more poluting and has longterm reliability issues . charging is still an issue. this zero emmision engine will rule the markets in 5 years.

@thekinarbo

9 ай бұрын

@@KevinFreist v Hydrogen or maybe what Porche is doing, E-fuel.

@Simon-dm8zv

9 ай бұрын

@@thekinarboBoth insanely inefficient.

@thekinarbo

9 ай бұрын

@@Simon-dm8zv So is solar and wind.

@Simon-dm8zv

9 ай бұрын

@@thekinarbo More or less yes, but still very usable. You need LOADS of wind, solar and nuclear energy to make hydrogen and far less of it to charge an equal number of EVs.

See by the time The ROAD to Zero ends The Bank acoutn will be at Zero. I will stick to JCB diesel.

Big oil and battery companys will not put up with this.

@steakandkidney3142

10 ай бұрын

The market will decide. If/when petrol and diesel new vehicle sales are banned, EVs will prove impractical and environmentally unsound, hydrogen will develope and be taken over by the current energy corporations.

@Simon-dm8zv

9 ай бұрын

@@steakandkidney3142Physics does not agree.

This has to be BS. Where is the hydrogen coming from ???. Hydrogen is extremely difficult to prevent from leaking and is extremely flammable/explosive and needs to be under enormous pressure to have reasonable range. Can u imagine the average digger driver having a cigarette while filling up ???. The efficiencies loses are horrendous from generation of hydrogen to compression of the gas then the ICE losses. For all their problems batteries are at least feasible.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ripping apart.............................Oor ripping a fart.

And I would imagine the fact that EVs can just burst into flames is probably inconvenient too, just saying...........

@timv285

9 ай бұрын

So do gasoline and diesel vehicles.

@tackleberry357

9 ай бұрын

@timv285 Not spontaneously they don't, petrol needs an ignition source and have you ever tried to set light to diesel?

@timv285

9 ай бұрын

@@tackleberry357 I don’t know about diesel but a recent report on you tube puts the fires on the ocean going car carriers down the second hand cars not being disconnected at the battery before they set sail. With petrol you just need a spark or cigarette with the petrol fumes.

@tackleberry357

9 ай бұрын

@timv285 My father was a car mechanic all his days and he put some petrol in a saucer and with me watching from a safe distance threw a lit match into it and the petrol put it out he then threw a lit cigarette into the petrol and that was also extinguished by the petrol.

Still a combustion engine, nothing new at all, how do you make Hydrogen? electricity and water, lots and lots of electricity...and super special fuel cells that don't blow up like a hydrogen bomb. how do you make electricity? diesel power....

Recent investigations on the consequences of hydrogen leakage show environmental damage 12 times the damage of CO2. Until recently there was little research on hydrogen as a pollutant. There was an assumption that the only result of hydrogen leakage was the formation of water. It now appears that assumption was seriously in error.

@900stx7

10 ай бұрын

Doesn't a I.C. engine produce CO2 the entire time it's running ? Compare this to a hydrogen "leak" that can be prevented with proper handling and maintenance.

@causewaykayak

10 ай бұрын

Hydrogen is the future. JCB have done a great job in providing a very workable alternative to diesel. The nay sayers in these comments probably have a stake in EV technology. Where would all that lithium come from ? What about the pollution associated with future fly-tipping of car batteries ? Answer us that ! ! JCB is a Brit firm doing a great job for decades now. We in UK have little left to boast about so stop carping and support this wonderful firm.

@thekinarbo

9 ай бұрын

Do you support the banning of dihydrogen monoxide. It kills thousands every year.

On he's much better than electric ' longer lasting more reliable cheaper what more do you want

@Simon-dm8zv

9 ай бұрын

But insanely inefficient.

Hydrogen will win.

@Simon-dm8zv

9 ай бұрын

Very unlikely.

@triple6758

9 ай бұрын

@@Simon-dm8zv Says you?

@Simon-dm8zv

9 ай бұрын

@@triple6758 Laws of physics.

@triple6758

9 ай бұрын

@@Simon-dm8zv See you in 20 years.

@Simon-dm8zv

9 ай бұрын

@@triple6758 yup. Laws of physics will still be there.

EV's will be phased out in 10 years

The JCB way is the way to go, forget EV's they will stop dead in their tracks. ICE manufactures will out perform EV's for certain. I will never buy an EV ever.

@Simon-dm8zv

9 ай бұрын

Lol!

Hydrogen fuel technology has been around since the late 1830's !!!!! Isn't it about time WE as a civilization finally begin to help ourselves and the earth , PERIOD !!!!!

@Johnsmith-zi9pu

9 ай бұрын

Been around since the late 1830s,that tells you all you need to know.

@Simon-dm8zv

9 ай бұрын

Hydrogen has been inefficient for 200 years and will always remain so.