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@silvergalena2709

3 жыл бұрын

Religion is purely science fiction

@servant5795

3 жыл бұрын

Please try approach certified Catholic Thomistic Philosophers and Theologians.

@servant5795

3 жыл бұрын

Love the Catholic Philosopher

@mitchellc4

3 жыл бұрын

Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has ab God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead! The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21

@DavidSmith-wp2zb

3 жыл бұрын

@@mitchellc4 What?

Awesome intro... but this scripture bloomed in my mind. 1 Corinthians 1:27, KJV: "But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;"

Though I'm an atheist I love watching these episodes.

@williamesselman3102

3 жыл бұрын

😘

@nightoftheworld

2 жыл бұрын

You may love Zizek then

@keklord

2 жыл бұрын

Helps me understand the thinking behind ppl who do believe

@chilluminati1292

Жыл бұрын

Do you love life?

@fredericleclerc5770

11 ай бұрын

​@@keklordarrête de faire ton intéressant tu te crois plus intelligent que les autres imbéciles ce n'est pas très difficile à comprendre

God knew before time that a savior would be needed for mankind. He knew how we would sin against His perfect way.

@Monkofmagnesia

Жыл бұрын

God knew before He began creation, yet did it any way. If that does not prove God is Love, I do nott know what does.

In my Father’s house are many mansions. Seeking to get Closer to Truth is a Godly thing to do.

@steveng8727

11 ай бұрын

@@mitchellc4 This all stems from reading the bible - books about an ancient tribal religion w' child sacrifice, animal sacrifice, genocide, slavery, etc. (see old testament). The 'literalists' also believe the book of revelation is about 'our time' when most scholars know it relates to the destruction of Jerusalem almost 2000 years ago! Mixing mythology, fairy tales and a bit of historical narrative is a recipe for ignorance and chaos.

Thanks for this. Food for thought for anyone really searching for truth in their faith.

Discussions about theology like the incarnation always remind me a bit about the discussions in The Big Bang Theory whether Batman or Superman would win, and in which Marvell universe. You can even get a PhD for this kind of stuff.

Because we are created in the likeness of God that God could become man and man can become like God.

“Unremarkable spiral galaxy” your words.

God made the infinite universe for his glory, if he had created only a galaxy we would think this is a "weak" God ,but a infinite universe indicates His infinite power and wisdom...He came to earth in a human form in order to know Him and feel Him, because He wanted to show us that we can become like Him and death is only the beginning ..

Thank you for adding so much great content during this time of crisis. You've helped distract me from my crazy job when I need it most!

@mitchellc4

3 жыл бұрын

Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has ab God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead! The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21

@nightoftheworld

2 жыл бұрын

@@mitchellc4 is there anyone home?

@mitchellc4

2 жыл бұрын

@@nightoftheworld ?

@mitchellc4

2 жыл бұрын

@@nightoftheworld what?

@nightoftheworld

2 жыл бұрын

@@mitchellc4 how do you see God

Jeeeeeesus! The squeal that brings down all intelligence and common sense. Stronger than the trumpets of Jericho, this word "placates" the fear of the believers and, dumps them deeper in the stupor of their "blessed ignorance"; waiting for his return, and hopping to re-incarnate in a better world... They're lost.

Robert, you should write a book about your long inquiry of closer to truth.

@mitchellc4

3 жыл бұрын

Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has ab God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead! The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21

8:22 you still don't understand. He died in his humanity, it was no sham, in Christ God suffers and loves like any other human being, but without sin. That is the greatness of it.

Regarding "who was he praying to... in Gethsemane" --- The Father, of course. Are you not also one individual? And yet as a conscious being you engage in self-reflection. Who is this "self" with whom you communicate? Have you never experienced anxiety when your conscience tells you to do some good which your intellect and passion know will be painful? Despite the pain, your intellect and passion defer to your conscience, and "you" do the right thing.

I am similar to Robert Lawrence Kuhn in his journey to understand the Cosmos and God. But I don't understand Philosophy or Theology or Science like he does. And I think the Incarnation has been debated for 2,000 years. All I can suggest is that we keep seeking and knocking on the door, and the answers will eventually free us. I wonder... how does the average person define "incarnation?"

@nightoftheworld

2 жыл бұрын

Incarnation through process not substance. God is in Jesus dialectically, immanence and transcendent beyond are one.

We need to explore the question in terms of simulation theory. I think it will add much coherence to the apparent contradictions. For example, how is the user of a video game, both user and avatar simultaneously? Certainly, what happens to the avatar does not "affect" the user in the sort of concrete way we would normally associate. But, acting as the avatar, mentally, can and does affect the user mentally. If the avatar dies, the user does not. But in some sense they are one entity.

@lilyarnaout7369

2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting point of view - leads nowhere really, but quite interesting nonetheless.

@aclark903

2 жыл бұрын

@@lilyarnaout7369 I wouldn't say nowhere. All metaphors are limited, but #poetry is worthwhile because it expresses interesting ideas in beautiful ways. I suggest you read #JohnDonne, #GeorgeHerbert & GMHopkins...

@khaderlander2429

Жыл бұрын

That is a word salad, a feet of mental gymnastics. No matter how one tries to explain it, you can not untie this knot.

Nice to recognise the pluralism in religions as there surely can’t be segregation and a single viewpoint for our divine origins as co-creators of our reality

❤ Very good 👍🏼

Brilliant stuff for the pre-scientific age. Now we argue science. All human thought.

@andrewferg8737

2 жыл бұрын

"we argue science" ---- "It is clear that these physical-only processes somehow on the one hand give us the right answers, but on the other hand that they are controlled by another world of ideas somehow; they’re coming from somewhere else.” (Professor Nima Arkani-Hamed) "The mystery is not that there are three worlds, although each is a mystery in itself. The worlds are there: the physical, the mental, and the abstract. Rather, the mystery is in how they connect" (Roger Penrose) ""In any system there are things which are true but cannot be proven otherwise the whole system is false" (Seth Lloyd)

Great post - really love your series. I often think about the possibility of no caring God. Just because we humans attribute meaning to things, it doesn't mean the universe does. We are a flash in the pan on the cosmological scale. What lead me to this belief (and happy to be contradicted) was the 2004 tsunami which just cleared over 100k off the planet. What about their hopes and dreams? Where was a loving God then?

.....because Jesus lived a life unmatched. He lived up to everything He preached. He even loved and prayed for His enemies.... You find a perfect man, he's worth listening to.

oh dear.

4:02 the chair..the great equaliser....

Without trying to prove or disprove the incarnation, it is possible to figure out an internally consistent analogy without needing to consult a theologian: WE are incarnated, immortal souls with finite bodies. As such, if those souls pre- existed, and we knew anything at all beforehand, then we shed that knowledge upon birth, and get a blank slate. Like Jesus might have. Except he has an immortal, divine soul. That's a consistent way of looking at it, I think.

When i was 5yrs i quit church. The next week the rest of my family quit. Coming back to this as agnostic; i wonder why people are so quick to accept a literal Jesus: it strikes me as clearly impossible in a literal sense yet so profoundly meaningful in a figurative sense. Is the Truth a person, incarnate when the human mind, or any other mind so capable, detects coherence?

@andrewferg8737

2 жыл бұрын

"literal Jesus" ---- Love is invisible, but is manifest through literal concrete action. God is Love. Christ is God made manifest.

@mediocrates3416

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewferg8737 Holy Spirit is love; Christ is truth. That's omnibenevolence and omniscience respectively. Omnipotence to the Father. Christ is Truth, incarnate when we detect coherence. Love incarnate is easily deceived, it can't judge; this is the problem.

@andrewferg8737

2 жыл бұрын

@@mediocrates3416 "Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings" (Hebrews 13)

@mediocrates3416

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewferg8737 You feel out truth by yourself. Virgin birth is strange teaching. Casting demons into pigs is strange teaching. Don't be misled.

@andrewferg8737

2 жыл бұрын

@@mediocrates3416 "Virgin birth is strange teaching" ----- "In 1995, Strain and colleagues reported an extraordinary and intricate case of parthenogenetic event resulting in a viable male baby, named ‘FD’ By studying FD’s tissue samples, the group concluded that he is a parthenogenetic chimera... over a dozen other similar cases of parthenogenetic/androgenetic events in humans have been documented" (Medical Hypotheses. Volume 106, September 2017, Pages 57-60)

14:30..quoting from this old tome9a book, especially a large, heavy, scholarly one.) is circular reasoning ..using the book to prove the validity of the contents of the book.

I wish we explore furture in combining two concept of unity(in mystisism) and block universe (in physics) as God.

@mitchellc4

3 жыл бұрын

Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has ab God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead! The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21

@mediocrates3416

3 жыл бұрын

@@mitchellc4 There was no literal person Jesus. Judas had a meditative experience wherein Jesus spoke. It's in the NagHammadi scrolls; Thomas isn't a name, it's Arameic for twin. There became a figurative dichotomy between Jesus Barabbas (salvation by the father.... Ahhhhh, more insight, brotherhoods by legacy, comes from egypt)) and Jesus Christ (salvation by the Father.)

@steveng8727

11 ай бұрын

@@mitchellc4 Are you in a cult? Get out asap! This all stems from reading the bible - books about an ancient tribal religion w' child sacrifice, animal sacrifice, genocide, slavery, etc. (see old testament). The 'literalists' also believe the book of revelation is about 'our time' when most scholars know it relates to the destruction of Jerusalem almost 2000 years ago! Mixing mythology, fairy tales and a bit of historical narrative is a recipe for ignorance and chaos.

Regarding Hick's views at around 21:00 that only St John's gospel purports the divinity of Jesus, note that all of the synoptic gospels describe the Transfiguration of Christ, which is an absolutely clear statement of the fact that Jesus is at least extremely close to God and the "bridge" between humanity and God. We therefore don't need St John's gospel to conclude that Jesus is the Son of God and the Way (to God).

@mitchellc4

3 жыл бұрын

Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has ab God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead! The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21

@esoterico7750

3 жыл бұрын

@@mitchellc4 go back to johns gospel and literally read the first paragraph

@mitchellc4

3 жыл бұрын

@@esoterico7750 Who is the God of Jesus??? Rom 15 6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Cor 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, 2 Cor 11 31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie. Eph 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, Eph 1 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, Col 1 3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you, 1 Pet 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

I love ctt, bit isn’t America an in car nation?

@mitchellc4

3 жыл бұрын

Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has ab God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead! The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21

Once upon a time was a good guy and after others used his name to lie,control,manipulate,kill their brothers = religion. Highly educated people are freeing themselves from religion,becoming "open minds" and open new perspectives. 😇 Real goodness,kindness,compassion,emphaty are amplified only by cognitive power.

@robinmjoy

6 ай бұрын

Blaa bla bla blaa...get out of here mate!!

I don't see how you can explore this topic without addressing the historicity of jesus!

@mitchellc4

3 жыл бұрын

Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has ab God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead! The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21

Krishna is also an Incarnation of God. Would like you to do a video on the philosophy of Hinduism one day.

As something as complex as God, its not a wonder we struggle with these concepts. A Trinitarian God is the only God that makes sense from an Iinfinite, eternal perspective. We see symbiosis and irreducible complexity all through nature. Things already need to be in place and in order, functioning as a whole (balance.) For something to be eternal, it logically follows that other properties, or in this case attributes, must exist simultaneously....working as one single unit This God we are describing; nothing greater is conceivable...

All answers are at the Temple of Delphi.

I appreciate the representation of honest questioning presented in this video. I have questions for the questioner. From where do your philosophical presuppositions come? Why must God conform to static metaphysical forms of impassible, unchangeable, etc.? What else in the universe exhibits this static-ism? The final speaker you present ascribed to pluralism, but pluralism on who's terms? A pluralism of thought disrupts the enterprise of a pluralism of beliefs. Traditional Western categories do not carry in other cultural worldviews. For instance, the ideas of absolute and universal bear different meanings in different parts of the world, or no meaning at all. The Bible represents cosmic ideas/meanings/expressions at the crossroads of worlds. Maybe Tom's approach is not a approach of "faith" in a faith v. fact syllogism and is an honest epistemology (if incomplete in form) that can hold our analytical philosophy, phenomenology, and historical query in tension.

22:25 that is just his opinion. The epistles of Saint Paul are earlier than any gospel, and in them he clearly states that Christ is Lord, and that in Him and through Him all things were made.

I love NT wright's comments. Christianity calls us to start with Jesus Christ to know who God is , that automatically flips all questions in its head. Like Karl Barth says Jesus is the answer ,what is the question? This calls for implicit faith in the Son of God Jesus Christ. If all of God was knowable outside of His revealed Son, then that would not be God,would it?. My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,saith the Lord. ISA 55:8

I know there's no such thing as the supernatural because if there *were* a compassionate and supernatural God, they would help us! That said; the truth helps us.

@stinkertoy4310

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe, we just haven’t figured out yet HOW he helps us. Much less on what constitutes “help”.

@mediocrates3416

2 жыл бұрын

@@stinkertoy4310 Truth helps us. Truth gives power, it has none of it's own. This is a clue.

@HIMYMTR

Жыл бұрын

@@mediocrates3416 Jesus says I am the Truth

@mediocrates3416

Жыл бұрын

@@HIMYMTR I know.👍😁

Funny how this only now shows up in my feed. It is often proposed that our universe is a simulation. I don’t know nor do I believe there is any way to prove it is or isn’t. However, if it were, would that not make the creator of the simulation - God? Further, it possibly being a pretty cool simulation - would you create something like this and want to observe only?

@stinkertoy4310

Жыл бұрын

@@agnosticevolutionist3567 Like layers of an onion? As true as it needs to be?

I’d like to suggest a conversation with Richard Rohr on his view of the incarnation. The Christian concept of the Universal Christ may open up for you another way of understanding Jesus as God/man.

@mitchellc4

3 жыл бұрын

Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has ab God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead! The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21

Judging from Kuhn's concluding remarks, I believe he has not accepted/understood that Jesus the God Incarnate has both human and divine nature. Kuhn was still struggling with what he perceived as contradictions when the human Jesus went through change and even death while the divine nature of the second person of the Trinity remains immutable. Well can't blame Kuhn as the Incarnation is one of several mysteries of the Christian faith which require faith in addition to reason and logic in order to accept as true. It is just like trying to understand how God created the universe out of nothing. Watching many of Kuhn's videos where he tries to discern God's existence, I can't help comparing his efforts to that of an ant trying to figure out what a human being is like. Having said that, it is still better for Kuhn to search on rather then reject out right the notion of God just because he hasn't got the cognitive ability to grasp the Infinite God.

I really enjoyed the way the title subject was discussed...but why didn't you discuss this subject with an Islamic and Quran doctines ?

@khaderlander2429

3 жыл бұрын

The unusual is always discussed not the usual narrative. The Christian narrative is very strange and unusual so needs explanation as to how it's logical, reasonable and rational.

@andrewferg8737

2 жыл бұрын

@@khaderlander2429 "Christian narrative is very strange and unusual" ---- That Love gives of itself: how is this is strange and unusual? Is this not rather the definition of Love?

@khaderlander2429

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewferg8737 Christian love is of a pagan origin. How is that not strange and unusual?. According to Christian doctrines G-d got tortured and died for our sins. The paganists used to sacrifice the innocent for their deities. The Christian just done one better they tell us its now the turn of Jesus returning the favour, G-d got himself sacrificed for our benefit. Paganism 101 with a twist. The Christian can now walk around with his head held high, excepting this dastardly deed as salvation or vicarious Atonement and called it love.

@andrewferg8737

2 жыл бұрын

@@khaderlander2429 "love is of a pagan origin" --- non sequitur

@khaderlander2429

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewferg8737 Why, for instance, do we refer to Christ as the “redeemer”? The primary meaning of “redemption” is to buy something back, or to recover something that had been given up in security for a loan; to acquire something by paying off a debt. It is rather striking to think that the very core of the Christian message, salvation itself, the sacrifice of God’s own son to rescue humanity from eternal damnation, should be framed in the language of a financial transaction. Finally, with the impossibility of discharging the debt, people also come up with the notion that it is impossible to remove the penance, the idea that it cannot be paid off (“eternal punishment”)... until all of a sudden we confront the paradoxical and horrifying expedient with which a martyred humanity found temporary relief, that stroke of genius of Christianity: God sacrificing himself for the guilt of human beings, God paying himself back with himself, God as the only one who can redeem man from what for human beings has become impossible to redeem-the creditor sacrificing himself for the debtor, out of love (can people believe that?), out of love for his debtor!? The problem is that the premise is insane. But this premise which I bring to your attention according to the Jewish Bible and the Quran makes sense. God is free to forgive and not in need for blood sacrifice. (‭‭Hosea‬ ‭6‬‬:‭6‬ NKJV) Jewish Bible. For I desire mercy and not sacrifice, And the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings. Free offer of mercy by God to sinners. (‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭55‬‬:‭6-9‬ NASB2020). 6 Seek the Lord while He may be found; Call upon Him while He is near. 7 Let the wicked abandon his way, And the unrighteous person his thoughts; And let him return to the Lord, And He will have compassion on him, And to our God, For He will abundantly pardon. 8 “For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the Lord. 9 “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts. Quran 39:53. 53. Say, ‘[God says], My servants who have harmed yourselves by your own excess, do not despair of God’s mercy. God forgives all sins: He is truly the Most Forgiving, the Most Merciful.

something so difficult to explain in one sentence must be false! The trinity is a human invention from a very long time ago that some people still cling on to.

@nataliedesilver

3 жыл бұрын

If that's your logic then can you please explain existence in one sentence? Or are you going to claim existence is false?

@GreenLight11111

3 жыл бұрын

@@nataliedesilver Existence is being........vibrating!

Either you believe in the trinity god of the bible or doesn’t! Nothing is impossible with god almighty

"Phony incarnation", "sham" and "contradiction" describes the Trinity perfectly. Philippians 2:6, 7 says that Jesus "existed in God's form" or nature. This did not mean that he was God, but shared God's substance, namely his godlike spirit body. It then says that Jesus "emptied himself" and "took a slaves form", that is, the Adam-like physical body. So not only are we talking about forms of body, Jesus was not simultaneously both, but was only ever one at a time. When he died, he actually and completely died. When he gave up his spirit body to become man, it was reserved for him so that when he gave up his physical human body, he regained his spirit body and his human body remains sacrificed to this day. If Jesus had been physically resurrected, Thomas would not have expected to see holes in his flesh and Jesus would not have been able to show them to him except in vision, but his eating bread was to prove that he was not an apperition (vision), and showing the holes was to prove that the body remained dead. Thus he was resurrected in his spirit body separate from the physical body.

Human realization of recognizing God is blocked by archetype subconsciously. © Metaphysician

If you ever told people thousands of years ago that biology originated in the same inorganic materials that form stars....

Perhaps the Incarnation is a symbol of pantheism, the Divine Spirit becoming 'flesh' (the cosmos.)

Robert Khun says how can the two natures combine? They combine at The Resurrection. Praise The Lord and Bless His Holy City Jerusalem .

Imagine if you were brought up in a secluded island with no humans. What are the odds that you would come up with the Trinity as the reality and nature of God?

@rl7012

Жыл бұрын

Easily. The Sun and moon might be seen as Gods for earth. So you have Mother Earth, the sun/son, and the moon. That is a trinity right there.

"activelink activedisc" said that "god was invented by cavemen to explain thunder'" But how do we know that cavemen even had any mental concept of a "god" ? Do the words of Jesus communicate to us that He was really THE son of God? Did God possibly communicate with early mankind, even cavemen?

@neilcreamer8207

4 жыл бұрын

@Tunishq Von It's not called plagiarism when you credit the source. It's called referencing or citing.

@johnbrzykcy3076

4 жыл бұрын

@@neilcreamer8207 Thanks Neil. I was just referencing the source and I did put the words in quotation marks. Isn't that how we are supposed to credit the words of another?

How do we justify multiple personality disorder

@andrewferg8737

2 жыл бұрын

"multiple personality disorder" ----- Consciousness is synonymous with self-reflection. Self-reflection is not a disorder. Rather, a disordered state is one in which self-reflection occurs with irreconcilable conflict or is unduly influenced by external agency.

If Jesus was God, then who was he praying to, so passionately, in Gethsemane ? (Matthew 26:36-44)

@andrewferg8737

2 жыл бұрын

"who was he praying to... in Gethsemane" --- The Father, of course. Are you not also one individual? And yet as a conscious being you engage in self-reflection. Who is this "self" with whom you communicate? Have you never experienced anxiety when your conscience tells you to do some good which your intellect and passion know will be painful? Despite the pain, your intellect and passion defer to your conscience and "you" do the right thing.

@tedgrant2

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewferg8737 I thought he was praying to God. But that's only a guess.

Hmmm... understanding God and finding the truth could only be given not explained, good luck with your search.

"Why callest thou me good ? There is none good but one, that is, God." What a strange thing for God to say ! (Matthew 19:17)

@Anna-jg5br

2 жыл бұрын

Was this question a challenge to the person who called Jesus good?

@tedgrant2

2 жыл бұрын

@@Anna-jg5br It was a denial that he was good, proving that he was not God.

@andrewferg8737

2 жыл бұрын

@@tedgrant2 "It was a denial that he was good, proving that he was not God" ---- Rather, it is a denial that the man did not understand who it was that he was talking to. To paraphrase: [ Why are you calling me good, but cannot recognize that God is standing in front of you? You demonstrate that you neither understand what good means nor understand who God is, for only God is good ]

@tedgrant2

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewferg8737 All the sayings of Jesus have to be interpreted very carefully. For example he said... "When thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind" (Luke 14:13). He didn't mention the deaf, but we can assume he meant them to be called also. And he was talking to his disciples, so he obviously didn't mean we should all do it !

@tedgrant2

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewferg8737 "So shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" (Matthew 12:20). In this saying, "the Son of man" is Jesus and "the heart of the earth" is a tomb. And "three days and three nights" means from Friday afternoon until Sunday morning. So now we know exactly what he meant, after very careful interpretation and adjustment as required.

It is the same as believing Merlin the magician. See where I'm going with this

The question of where does God end and Jesus begin is like asking where does the ocean end and the wave begin. Or asking what is the ocean doing while the wave is... waving? Jesus was a wave... And so are you.

@jonnyroxx7172

4 жыл бұрын

Mosstone I like your thinking.

@MrDorbel

4 жыл бұрын

The first question is actually does God and did Jesus exist? Until then, it's all so much masturbation.

@MrDorbel

3 жыл бұрын

@Michael B. Josephus is not a contemporary source, nor does anything in his writings verify Jesus' life as historical fact. You have a very low standard of evidence.

@MrDorbel

3 жыл бұрын

@Michael B. "Most likely existed". Well you said it. Big jump from somebody who most likely existed to a supernatural being who created the universe of course!

@MrDorbel

3 жыл бұрын

@Michael B. A faith based on oral stories about somebody who most likely existed actually is completely baseless. It's almost a definitive example of the term! Are you really unaware of all the other gods born in miraculous circumstances who walked the earth as men before ascending to heaven? You are presumably atheist about Vishnu and Zeus and Quetzalcoatl, why not go one further? Faith is not a reliable path to truth. By all means believe things on faith, but don't describe them as knowledge. This would be true even if the stories were fairly mundane, but when they include virgin births and a man who is dead and buried and then goes up to heaven, I would describe that as gullibility, not faith! Get a grip!

Incarnation of God as human person without sin is Jesus. The divine nature is without sin, and this divine nature without sin became the human person Jesus. In all respects of the human person Jesus like any human person, except without sin. Jesus not have sinful nature, although did experience human temptation. Before he sinned Adam was like Jesus, at least potentially; and Jesus gave to humanity personhood without sin.

*_THERE IS NO RELIGION HIGHER THEN TRUTH_*

@johnbrzykcy3076

4 жыл бұрын

I agree but what is "Truth"? Even Pilate asked Jesus that question 2,000 years ago

@user-iz4pk6qx6b

4 жыл бұрын

*_dont take yourself so seriously,you ask too many questions somtimes questions that dosent make sence,closer to truth ha!truth is what you are.and now that pathogens virus is wiping population around the world driving human race closer to extinction then ever before,it is a high time that scepticbals and doubters like you humbley acept and admit the ultimate truth that there is no such thing as divine entity and creator,creation is enough unto the itself,creation creates itself there is no requirment od outside agency or divine entity for creation_*

@user-iz4pk6qx6b

4 жыл бұрын

John brzykcy *_you worry to much,if you want to know what is the truth then hinduism dharamic dharma philosphy and truthfull dharma and hinduism is the most truthfull and most ancient,oldest philospy out there you will ever find in the world it is a dharma and not a religion,god and relgion are fake concepts,specialy barberic middel eastern abharamic desert death cult vilont religion islam and catholic chrisnity_*

@johnbrzykcy3076

4 жыл бұрын

@@user-iz4pk6qx6b Thanks for your quick replies. I respect your worldviews but I go by what Jesus Christ said: " I am the way, the Truth and the Life."

@user-iz4pk6qx6b

4 жыл бұрын

John brzysky *_follow dharmic dharma hinduism,buddism and jainism and it is not a religion but a religion of truth_*

If you want to know God why having you ask me.I know that you know that who I am.If you don't know that well here I am

John Hick contradicts himself by firstly saying there are problems with the idea of incarnation because “Jesus did not teach it”, and then by secondly saying that “the only place He did teach it was in the fourth Gospel”. This is a blatant contradiction. Either He did teach it, or He didn’t teach it, and John’s Gospel being the fourth eyewitness account, is evidence that Jesus did believe it. Also, it doesn’t matter that John expresses something only later that the earlier eyewitness accounts did not. It is true that the idea of incarnation is older than any new testament writing, period. It only makes sense that later writings of Christians become more accurate as their thoughts become more mature in understanding how to make sense of who Jesus was, is, and will ever be. Lastly, regardless whether Jesus taught that He was God in a human body, the Old Testament, Isaiah to be specific, says that God would be in flesh. It says that “a Child would be born and we would call Him “Everlasting Father””. That would only be true if “the divine nature of God had come into the created nature of the animal world”, or “took on a body”, or “entered humanity”, or “came into flesh”. That is in fact what “in-carnate” means (in flesh). From this fallacy that he Hick commits and overlooks comes all the rest of his ungrounded theories. Bunk, keif, shwag.

Your true SELF is God. You just have to drop your chronic thinking 😃 Consciousness is God. Every living being is a reflection of God in an imperfect mirror. Jesus did not identify himself with Body so, he is one with God. Our mind identifies with body so our potential is limited by our mind. Read "be as you are" by David Goodman

@mitchellc4

3 жыл бұрын

Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has ab God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead! The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21

Our unconscious (spirit) incarnates in human consciousness ( as body=matter) in order to be a conscious human (spirit and matter) to be what it was meant to be, a full human in the flesh. Anything that stays in an unconscious state can never realise itself and so GOD could never have become man. We don't need to use religious or philosophical explanations because this is all psychology as experienced by people who treat humans.

Incarnation concept is very well explained in Hinduism. Concept of Atman and Brhaman in vedas and Bhagavad Geeta.

@esoterico7750

3 жыл бұрын

The Hindu idea of incarnation seems more like the Christian heresy of Nestorianism

@chetanbandekar3338

3 жыл бұрын

@@esoterico7750 Without studying Hinduism you cannot understand other religions. Hinduism is basis of all religions in world. Basis of human being starts in India. You can do one experiment read all other religious text and at end read Hindu text, you will find the relations. You check all the religios gods and then study Hindu gods. Even language Sanskrit is the basis of all languages. Even you can link the type of people in world like African, Europeans, Asian, Arab if you try to link and check starting point or border it links with India . Like Europens looking border Kashmir, Afghanistan go till Europe, Arab looking border Rajstan, Punjab. Iranian lokking Border in states Gujarat / Maharashtra. African looking search Adivasis leving in India or people of Andaman, Asian looking check the North eastern states of India. We have known History back to 12k bc and if you can check basic structure of all religion like god, priests temple rituals or any Kingdom which matches with ancient Hindu lifestyle. You will also see many Hindu god statues found all over Arab, Europe, South America shows same culture followed all over world

@andrewferg8737

2 жыл бұрын

It has been historically verified that the Bhagavad Gita is an interpolation of Christian teachings. The theology of the Bhagavad Gita is very different from the Vedas.

@chetanbandekar3338

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewferg8737 Your knowledge and understanding on Hinduism is very poor. Bhagvad geeta is extracts of Vedas. 2ndly Mahabharata war happens 5k bc even before Adams. If you wanted to know how how European got infuenced from Indian culture study Plytomy people or gangani people. The word Gang comes from these people who migrated from Ganga basin to Europe. Please do not rely on European historians having one side History, alway a check otherside. The best example if Alexander won war witb purus

@andrewferg8737

2 жыл бұрын

​@@chetanbandekar3338 The Krishna character represented a minor hero legend in ancient Hinduism. However, the religious writings on Krishna which developed after the older Mahabharata hero legends, are nearly identical with the stories of Christ found in both the canonical and apocryphal Gospels: the birth of Krishna in a stable, adoration by shepherds and magi, and a series of events whose similarities are too close to be mere coincidence. All Indianist scholars of authority are agreed that these later Gita Krishna legends are not earlier than the seventh century and must have been borrowed from Christian sources.

Starting with a presupposition that the scriptures are true or factual amounts to the logical fallacy of begging the question. No argument based upon a fallacy will ever be sound. So, there's no point in trying to formulate a cogent argument based upon scripture.

@johnbrzykcy3076

4 жыл бұрын

I agree with you that if indeed scripture is just a fallacy, then any arguments about God based on scripture are not convincing. But what about the words of Jesus in scripture? Could his powerful and unusual statements just be a human invention or insane or simply a fallacy? I think we need to look not just at scripture, but also at the cosmos and the human heart.

@johnbrzykcy3076

4 жыл бұрын

@Noah Smits What do you mean by "premises?"

@johnbrzykcy3076

4 жыл бұрын

@@jrboi22 Hey Earl, I agree with you. John

A great video exploring the incarnation of Jesus. Of those interviewed John Hick is the only one to now know the answers (May he rest in peace.) Yet he is clearly the most wrong. To suggest that all religions could merge because they all have something to offer! Your conclusion was absolutely right - that it might create harmony but "I don't know would we any closer to Truth." Instead of looking quizzically at the notion of the inconsistencies of one person being entirely human and entirely divine, we could start by understanding that as humans we are both mortal and immortal. Our flesh will corrupt but our souls will live for eternity. By the way, the comment that John's Gospel can be dismissed in its proclamation of Jesus as being God, because it was the last, is a bit simplistic. John was an Apostle; he walked with Jesus. He witnessed the Glorified Jesus at the transfiguration, John stood in front of the Cross. He saw Jesus after He died. He took in and lived with Jesus' Mother Mary after the crucifixion. It wasn't like John suddenly came in from gardening one day and thought "I am getting on, I better jot down my thoughts before it is too late." He would have been compiling his Gospel over many years. Proclaiming Jesus as God was not a great way to live a long life under the Romans and Pharisees, let alone committing it to parchment.

The Bible God incarnated thru Joseph and had Jesus with Mary, also deities can incarnate most likely the Bible God channeled thru others to communicate to mary

@ 7:00 it sounds like a first person shooter video game. God has the remote, so he is playing as the character, but when the character dies in the game nothing happens to the person with the remote (GOD)... how convenient.

@mitchellc4

3 жыл бұрын

Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has ab God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead! The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21

@tonoornottono

3 жыл бұрын

@@mitchellc4 who do you think you’re converting with this? it looks neurotic

Must every myth fulfil logical expectations?why did jesus go to his home in heaven with an earthly body full of scars??

@williamesselman3102

3 жыл бұрын

So doubting Thomas would believe

Minute 1:13: Here is an important fact to consider: Of all the major faiths in the world past and present only 3 faiths are technically cosmology correct and in harmony with the Big Bang theory on the origins of the universe: I know there has been a recent pullback in the last 25 years by some in the scientific community to come up with alternate theory's that contradict the Big Bang theory's central claim, that our universe has a specific starting point, but, over all the best evidence is that the Universe began at a certain point, it did not always, pre exist. So why does this matter? Well, look at this way, all the other religions outside of Judaism, Islam and Christianity are in correct if they hold an opinion on the origins of the universe as being ''eternal'' I believe this narrows it down significantly, as far as which religion is the most true.

Simple solution to the Incarnation. Separate God from his Creation. He is far above that what we ascribe to Him. This the True Abrahamic belief. There is only One God and Jesus prayed to him.

@andrewferg8737

2 жыл бұрын

"who was he praying to... in Gethsemane" --- The Father, of course. Are you not also one individual? And yet as a conscious being you engage in self-reflection. Who is this "self" with whom you communicate? Have you never experienced anxiety when your conscience tells you to do some good which your intellect and passion know will be painful? Despite the pain, your intellect and passion defer to your conscience and "you" do the right thing.

@imranchoate

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewferg8737 So i believe God does not have to play games of Riddles and interpretation with his creation. He Says he's God Alone in all three Abrahamic Faiths. Simple.

@andrewferg8737

2 жыл бұрын

@@imranchoate "play games of Riddles and interpretation" ---- On the contrary, does it not require a very strange logic indeed to explain consciousness without self-reflection? Or are you suggesting that God is not conscious and is instead some mystical pantheistic "force" or inanimate object? "In the beginning God... and the Spirit of God moved... and God said..." (Genesis 1) "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are One" (1 John 5)

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Analyze and compare all world’s religion Only Christianity has the most coherent, strongest and most believable claim Go to the Avatars of India Go to the Mythological gods of Greece Go to the gods of Chinese Go to the Buddha Nothing will stand against Jesus

These are smart, interesting, well spoken men who come across as indoctrinated and so deeply invested in their beliefs that they are totally incapable of turning a critical eye to their faith.

@acoginthemachine6229

2 жыл бұрын

Classic belief-trap.

@krystlewolfram5644

2 жыл бұрын

What elements would you prefer they turn their attention to?

@ethioredpills6954

2 жыл бұрын

I think of you the same way you think about them. I was Agnostic myself but found Jesus is real(have eye opening experience with him) when I became sincere and humble my self. God is near, I can tell u that he will not be personally found using your full intellect like you do when you try to do science (He is Not material ). Just humble yourself, bury your arrogance and sincerely search him in the unlikely place even in that which seems foolish. If God is only personally by the intellects, it means to exclude so many out the equation.

@andrewferg8737

2 жыл бұрын

"incapable of turning a critical eye to their faith" --- ... or perhaps they arrived at faith through critical inquiry??? ... and continue to grow in faith through critical inquiry???

one needs to read Kierkegaard. The Bible is paradox. why is Jesus asking God, who he is himself, why God is forsaking him? it is impossible to rid the stories of paradox. paradox is purposely or historically built in (depending on ones view). it is also silly to argue that ultimate reality follows Aristotelian logic. Reality is infinite. It's infinitely large. Infinitely small. There's potentially an infinite of infinitely large universes. Infinite obviously includes paradox.

If you remember the questions you asked in previous lives ,and you realize you are reincarnated ,you can say dead again.

It's so hard to find satisfactory meaning in the Trinity theology. It seems that the 2nd and 3rd persons in the Trinity have existed for all time just for the purpose of humans (Jesus to save us and Holy Spirit to guide us). Is God, the creator of the Universe, really like that? The whole idea sounds human-like, not to mention that it is totally alien to Jewish monotheism, and Jesus was a Jew after all.

If jesus was the son is he not a less powerful God than the father? John's gospel is like new theology imposed on the synoptic gospels.

Paul’s epistles were 20 years after Christ’s death, and in them he expounds on Christ’s Godhood; as clearly as saying “God was manifested in the flesh” 1 Timothy 3:16. So no, the gospel of John isn’t a “later development” and Jesus Godhood is not a later development.

@maninironmask7925

Жыл бұрын

All people are “equally good and lacking in goodness” but that has nothing to do with the ultimate truth. Nor was Jesus founding a religion but eternal life itself as a gift to man.

This is why main reason why so many Christian countries became atheist because no rational person can accept God became man and now we have to worship a man. Islam is the only updated Christian sect that still believes in Jesus and Mary but categorically rejects Jesus was God. Rather God chose Mary to conceive Jesus without sex and Jesus was only human messenger of God. Instead of Christians worshipping God and praying to him they had turned God's messenger jesus a human into the object of worship. So God sent the final book the Quran clear Jesus and Mary of any divine nature and make them into holy messengers of God to followed, loved and not prayed to and worshiped.

Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has ab God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead! The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21

@invisiblechurch9621

3 жыл бұрын

Jeremiah 8:8 “How can you say, ‘We are wise, And the law of the LORD is with us’? Look, the false pen of the scribe certainly works falsehood

None of that made any sense

@andrewferg8737

2 жыл бұрын

Ironic how you are able to manifest that idea concretely in this public comment section...

@DavidSmith-wp2zb

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewferg8737 yeah? CTT is a shameful operation

The attributes of God in classical theism are derived from Neoplatonism, open theism reject them as inconsistent and not biblical. There is also a long history of non-trinitarian Christians that reject the doctrine of incarnation.

@johnbrzykcy3076

4 жыл бұрын

I'm seeking answers too but I don't think we can comprehend everything in this short mortal life. Who then was Jesus? Why did he die? Was he really the son of God ( in truth not as the Roman emperors claimed )? Maybe the words "son of man" hold some kind of key ? If I reject that Jesus was the son of God, do all other claims of Christianity fall by the wayside?

@gricketson

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnbrzykcy3076 I was just trying to relay that there are alternative ways to take or understand some of these ideas. from a Christian perspective I am trying to make sense of everything, and my beliefs so far make the most sense to me. According to the bible, man is in bondage to the fear of death, although I know not everyone agrees with that. The reason that Jesus died was to defeat death, by being resurrected. My simple understanding

@johnbrzykcy3076

4 жыл бұрын

@@gricketson I have the same understanding about Jesus death. His death and resurrection invite us to also defeat death. This is a hope that we all need. I know some of the Bible seems inconsistent or strange. Hopefully we'll see everything clearly after our earthly life, and God welcomes His own creation to be with Him.

@preasidium13

4 жыл бұрын

The thing is that the doctrine of the hypostatic union and the incarnation are necessary for the salvation of man. If Jesus was not both fully God and fully man then his death wouldn’t have resuscitated the union between God and man. Many of the theologians in early Christian history recognized this and steadfastly claimed deviant christologies, like Arianism, to be heresies based on this reason. Yes I think it’s important to look at different perspectives, but I think it was the right move to exclude perspectives which have been historically found to be rejected in its totality by the common practice and theology.

@gricketson

4 жыл бұрын

@@preasidium13 necessary, huh? where do you get that assumption from?

*Almost 2,000 episodes!* *Robert Robert Robert you have been at it for over 5 years and still dancing around the only possible answer?* *Robert I have watched some of your well made videos.* *Such as?* *"Why is there something rather than nothing"?* *You take this long convoluted twisted path to so-called experts that you know before-hand do not know the answer!* *In fact they never answer your question all they do is mirror their beliefs into you and you always leave unsatisfied.* *There is only one answer to the most primordial of all questions and it will answer all your other questions as well.* *The reason we exist or for that matter anything exists is because you cannot regress forever.* *You must reach a start point from which everything began* *I will ease you into the answer* *There must be something that has no prior cause an Uncaused Cause.* *Robert now be brave and say it out loud.* *"Almighty God"* *Now you can go home and relax Alan McDougall 81 years of age* *"Almighty God"* *Was that so hard to say Robert?*

What IGNORANCE ! "God is Spirit.." ( John 4:24 ) "Spirit" is MIND ( Thought and Consciousness ) "Father" = MIND "Mother " = THOUGHT "Son " = CONSCIOUSNESS These Three are "ONE" ( MIND ) = "SPIRIT " = "GOD"

17:55 great..but get in his bad books and he will treat you worse than Vlad the impaler

TO SIMPLIFY: let's see OCTOPUS WITH TEN TENTACLES! let call this Guy OTTY, he has 1 head & 10 hands. OTTY touch you with 1 of his hand, & you cut it off. the OTTY still alive, although 1 hand has died. but his hand grow again, just look like before. OTTY mind&soul lives in his 10 hands, he can feel all of them. that's how The LIVING GOD/YHWH IN FLESH =INCARNATE, BECAME GOD-MAN/MESSIAH. Jesus born & appear as Human Being, but HE IS THE SAME GOD/YHWH IN HEAVEN. because He is 1 Mind/Person/IAM who think in Himself/GodHead & also think as Himself/God in His Body/Flesh, TheGodMan/Messiah! IF this Universe/Time was an Ocean, God/YHWH put His Finger/JESUS into the Water, & we as fish only can see His Finger. when we bite His Finger, God can feel it. when our sins kill Jesus, our poison make His Hand numb/stroke/died. but GOD/YHWH Himself cannot fully died, only His Finger/Hand! so after few days, His Hand healed & alive again. one thing you should understand, GOD/YHWH IS THE ETERNAL LIFE/BEING, HE APPEARS/LIVES IN HIS IMAGE/PERSON OF GOD. YOU CAN HURT GOD/HIS IMAGE, BUT YOU CANNOT MAKE HIS EXISTANCE DISAPPEAR, HE LIVE IN SELF-EXISTANCE/SPACETIME. but we/human can be removed from our existance. if you die in hell, you will lose your existance/spacetime & trapped in eternal fire. but if you die with Jesus, He will give you new body to live eternaly with Him in heaven. it's simple if you don't trapped in limited mind. if you want to know God, you must read Bible by yourself, see Genesis 1 & John 1. you can't meet God only by asking other people's idea/opinion & experience with God. you must meet Him personally, heart to heart, mind to mind, & finally face to face, later when you die. i hope, LordJesus will open your eyes & give your heart faith, before you die in dark & lost forever in hell. JBU 🙏

@viaini748

2 жыл бұрын

you're smart, & i have my own explanation/answer for your question, Biblicaly. here : GOD IS ETERNITY TRINITY, HIS FACE/LIGHT START OUR UNIVERSE/TIME (GEN1,JOHN1) THELIGHT IS LOGOS/WORD=YHWH/IAM (JOHN1:1) YHWH=IAM GODLORD, HE IS THE FACE OF GOD. GOD'S FACE PRINTED IN FLESH, HE IS JESUS THE ONLY GOD-MAN (JOHN1:14) SO WHO IS JESUS & HOW CAN HE STILL BE THE SAME GOD? JESUS IS UNLIMITED LIFE/SOUL OF GOD. HE IS LIGHT=LIFE/LOVE/HEART OF GOD (JOHN 1:3-4). AS BIBLE SAID, GOD IS LOVE, GOD IS LIGHT. THIS LIGHT WHICH SHINE INSIDE OF GOD (HEART OF GOD), HE SHINES ALSO INSIDE OUR TIME AS JESUS. HEART OF JESUS IS HEART OF GOD, MIND ON JESUS IS MIND OF GOD. SO, GOD LIVE IN TIME AS HE LIVES IN ETERNITY. THAT'S HOW THE EXISTANCE OF OUR EARTH, WE ARE INSIDE OF HIS ETERNITY/TIME OF GOD/LIFE OF GOD. OUR TIME & OUR EXISTANCE ARE IN HIS TIME/HIS LIFE/HIS EXISTANCE. JESUS IS LIKE THE SUN, CENTRE OF OUR SOLAR SYSTEM, BUT ALSO AS PART OF BIG MILKY WAY (BOOK OF REVELATION). 1 DAY ON EARTH =1000 YEAR FOR GOD, & 1 DAY IN ETERNITY= 1000YRS IN UNIVERSE (BOOK OF PETER). SEE HOW FAST THE SPEED OF LIGHT, IT'S BEYOND OUR TIME/MIND. JESUS IS LIGHT/MIND OF GOD, HE TRAVELS THROUGH ALL TIME & EXISTANCES, HE CAN SEE OUR SOUL LIKE X-RAY & MOVE HIS SHIP HUNDRED MILES AWAY ONLY IN 1"SECOND (BOOK OF HEBREW, 4 GOSPELS). THAT'S HOW HE/LOGOS CAN CREATE EVERY ATOM IN UNIVERSE. JESUS IS THE HAND OF GOD WHO CREATE EVERYTHING. WITH ONLY 2PCS OF BREAD & 5FISH, HE MAKE RANSOM FOR 5000++ PEOPLE. WE ARE LIVING IN HIS PALM, HE FEED US! THE LIGHT OF GOD WHO IS TIMELESS, ALSO WALKING WITH OUR TIME. IMAGINE, GOD HAS LOT OF CLOCKS, NY TIME & LONDON TIME, 1BC & 2022AD, HE IS TIME, HE HAS ALL EXISTANCES, & TIME IS EXIST IN HIS GREAT MIND (LIKE SUPER COMPUTER/SMARTPHONE). HE CAN RUN/PLAY MANY APPLICATIONS/PROGRAMS AT THE SAME TIME WITHOUT LOSING ANYTHING! HE IS THE COMPUTER, & WE JUST SAW A "LITTLE OF HIM", WE ARE ONLY LIVE IN 1 APPLICATION/PROGRAM INSIDE OF THIS MEGA COMPUTER! AWESOME GOD, HE IS THE TRUE REAL GOD WHO CREATE HEAVEN & EARTH (1JOHN5), LOGOS/JESUS THE IAM WHO IAM/YHWH YESHUA HAMASSIACH ALPHA&OMEGA (BOOK OF REVELATION) AMEN! 😉👍

Let us suppose that God created a million inhabited worlds, each with an intelligent species on them assigned by God to take care of the world they are on, but only a small number of them sinned. Is it "humanocentric" that God saves their descendants from sin? Is it "humanocentric" that God communicated with all of them? Clearly it is not. What is the ultimate humanocentric idea is that humans are the highest evolved form of life and we have no responsibility to a higher being.

@andrewferg8737

2 жыл бұрын

"Let us suppose" ---- rather that we simply take scripture for what it says. We neither discard the parts we don't like, nor do we exaggerate the parts we do like. Heresy, it has been said, is the attempt to over-simplify something which one has not properly understood.

@Dismythed

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewferg8737 That has nothing to do with what I said. Please don't pollute my thread with off-topic comments.

@andrewferg8737

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dismythed Your thread is polluted by going beyond what is written in scripture. These are heretical views which the Church dismissed centuries ago, but which still pop up now and again.

@Dismythed

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewferg8737 wrote: "Your thread is polluted by going beyond what is written in scripture. These are heretical views which the church dismissed centuries ago, but which still pop up now and again." Would that be the same church that for over 1,600 years slaughtered people by the thousands, burned people at the stake and tortured people, all for "heretical" beliefs or for occupying the holy land? Is that the same church that gave its very public approval of Hitler's Holocaust? The belief that God is not a Trinity has persisted since the first century despite the Church's constant attempts to stamp it out. As the Jew Gamaliel rightly stated, "For if this scheme or this work is from men, it will be overthrown; but if it is from God, you will not be able to overthrow them. Otherwise, you may even be found fighters against God himself."--Acts 5:34, 28-40. Belief against the Trinity has never been overthrown despite the Catholic and Orthodox church's constant attempts to use every ungodly means to do so. The church is the persecutor, not the persecuted. True Christians are people of peace who do not strike out or strike back, but obey Jesus' direction to turn the other cheek. How are you going to convince anyone you have the truth with a track record like yours?

Perhaps God is everything and nothing all at once. He is all time and no time. He is every kind of matter in all existence. in every multiverse and beyond. In all conscience and in all lack of it. The idea that he is human form may be correct. But may not. Heaven and hell if they exist may be one. And may be nothing. Maybe it's all an illusion.

@andrewferg8737

2 жыл бұрын

"an illusion" ---- Illusion implies an obscured reality. What is this reality which your illusion is preventing us from seeing?

20:24 The interviewee states categorically the Jesus didn't teach various things about himself as recorded in St John's Gospel. How does he know? Rather arrogant and pontificating, unlike Bishop Tom Wright, who comes over as a man of faith and humility.

" The logic " behind Christianity is really twisted. All religions are man-made. Live and let live.😊😊😊😊😊

@theogi8375

4 жыл бұрын

Says the man who believes in ufos

Read God's Word (The Bible) and you will find out more about the incarnation and the nature of God than you ever will by watching irrelevant videos like this one. God declares "My sheep hear my voice" so if you want to hear His voice, read His Word which is found in the Bible, not in this silly video. The Gospel is good news, so take the time to give God a chance to tell you personally who He is and how much He loves you and wants to show you everything He has waiting for you if you accept His gift of salvation.

you're smart, & i have my own explanation/answer for your question, Biblicaly. here : GOD IS ETERNITY TRINITY, HIS FACE/LIGHT START OUR UNIVERSE/TIME (GEN1,JOHN1) THELIGHT IS LOGOS/WORD=YHWH/IAM (JOHN1:1) YHWH=IAM GODLORD, HE IS THE FACE OF GOD. GOD'S FACE PRINTED IN FLESH, HE IS JESUS THE ONLY GOD-MAN (JOHN1:14) SO WHO IS JESUS & HOW CAN HE STILL BE THE SAME GOD? JESUS IS UNLIMITED LIFE/SOUL OF GOD. HE IS LIGHT=LIFE/LOVE/HEART OF GOD (JOHN 1:3-4). AS BIBLE SAID, GOD IS LOVE, GOD IS LIGHT. THIS LIGHT WHICH SHINE INSIDE OF GOD (HEART OF GOD), HE SHINES ALSO INSIDE OUR TIME AS JESUS. HEART OF JESUS IS HEART OF GOD, MIND ON JESUS IS MIND OF GOD. SO, GOD LIVE IN TIME AS HE LIVES IN ETERNITY. THAT'S HOW THE EXISTANCE OF OUR EARTH, WE ARE INSIDE OF HIS ETERNITY/TIME OF GOD/LIFE OF GOD. OUR TIME & OUR EXISTANCE ARE IN HIS TIME/HIS LIFE/HIS EXISTANCE. JESUS IS LIKE THE SUN, CENTRE OF OUR SOLAR SYSTEM, BUT ALSO AS PART OF BIG MILKY WAY (BOOK OF REVELATION). 1 DAY ON EARTH =1000 YEAR FOR GOD, & 1 DAY IN ETERNITY= 1000YRS IN UNIVERSE (BOOK OF PETER). SEE HOW FAST THE SPEED OF LIGHT, IT'S BEYOND OUR TIME/MIND. JESUS IS LIGHT/MIND OF GOD, HE TRAVELS THROUGH ALL TIME & EXISTANCES, HE CAN SEE OUR SOUL LIKE X-RAY & MOVE HIS SHIP HUNDRED MILES AWAY ONLY IN 1"SECOND (BOOK OF HEBREW, 4 GOSPELS). THAT'S HOW HE/LOGOS CAN CREATE EVERY ATOM IN UNIVERSE. JESUS IS THE HAND OF GOD WHO CREATE EVERYTHING. WITH ONLY 2PCS OF BREAD & 5FISH, HE MAKE RANSOM FOR 5000++ PEOPLE. WE ARE LIVING IN HIS PALM, HE FEED US! THE LIGHT OF GOD WHO IS TIMELESS, ALSO WALKING WITH OUR TIME. IMAGINE, GOD HAS LOT OF CLOCKS, NY TIME & LONDON TIME, 1BC & 2022AD, HE IS TIME, HE HAS ALL EXISTANCES, & TIME IS EXIST IN HIS GREAT MIND (LIKE SUPER COMPUTER/SMARTPHONE). HE CAN RUN/PLAY MANY APPLICATIONS/PROGRAMS AT THE SAME TIME WITHOUT LOSING ANYTHING! HE IS THE COMPUTER, & WE JUST SAW A "LITTLE OF HIM", WE ARE ONLY LIVE IN 1 APPLICATION/PROGRAM INSIDE OF THIS MEGA COMPUTER! AWESOME GOD, HE IS THE TRUE REAL GOD WHO CREATE HEAVEN & EARTH (1JOHN5), LOGOS/JESUS THE IAM WHO IAM/YHWH YESHUA HAMASSIACH ALPHA&OMEGA (BOOK OF REVELATION) AMEN! 😉👍

@viaini748

2 жыл бұрын

TO SIMPLIFY: let's see OCTOPUS WITH TEN TENTACLES! let call this Guy OTTY, he has 1 head & 10 hands. OTTY touch you with 1 of his hand, & you cut it off. the OTTY still alive, although 1 hand has died. but his hand grow again, just look like before. OTTY mind&soul lives in his 10 hands, he can feel all of them. that's how The LIVING GOD/YHWH IN FLESH=INCARNATE & BECAME A HUMAN GOD-MAN/MESSIAH. Jesus born & appear as Human Being, but HE IS THE SAME GOD/YHWH IN HEAVEN. because He is 1 Mind/Person/IAM who think in Himself/GodHead & also think as Himself/God in His Body/Flesh. IF this Universe/Time was an Ocean, God/YHWH put His Finger/JESUS into the Water, & we as fish only can see His Finger. when we bite His Finger, God can feel it. when our sins kill Jesus, our poison make His Hand numb/stroke/died. but GOD/YHWH Himself cannot fully died, only His Finger/Hand! so after few days, His Hand healed & alive again. one thing you should understand, GOD/YHWH IS THE ETERNAL LIFE/BEING, HE APPEARS/LIVES IN HIS IMAGE/PERSON OF GOD. YOU CAN HURT GOD/HIS IMAGE, BUT YOU CANNOT MAKE HIS EXISTANCE DISAPPEAR, HE LIVE IN HIS OWN EXISTANCE/SPACETIME. but we/human can be removed from our existance. if you die in hell, you will lose your existance/spacetime & trapped in eternal fire. but if you die with Jesus, He will give you new body to live eternaly with Him in heaven. that's simple if you don't trapped in limited mind. if you want to know God, you must read Bible by yourself, see Genesis 1 & John 1. you cannot meet God only by asking other people's idea/opinion & experience with God. you must meet Him personally, heart to heart, mind to mind, & finally face to face, later when you died. i hope, LordJesus will open your eyes & give your heart faith, before you die in darkness & lost forever in hell. 😥🙏

It's hard to believe Christian arguments..

@andrewferg8737

2 жыл бұрын

"It's hard to believe Christian arguments" ---- That Love gives of itself: how is this hard to believe? Is this not rather the definition of Love?

Get hold of the Urantia Book, read it with an open mind and be enlightened by the truths it contains.

@andrewferg8737

2 жыл бұрын

"Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings" (Hebrews 13)

This is nice but I'm sorry, John Hick is just plain wrong. Not only did Jesus explicitly say in the synoptic gospels that he was divine (“Are you the Messiah, the son of the Blessed One?” (Mark 14:61). Jesus replies: I am; and you will see the Son of man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven (Mark 14:62).) But he committed numerous acts and made numerous statements that equated himself with God, which is WHY HE WAS KILLED! I love Closer to Truth but sometimes they allow blatantly false information. If you want to believe in Jesus that's one thing, but to claim "He NeVeR sAiD hE WaS gOd" is just patently false. I am surprised someone as regarded as John Hick would miss such a plain fact, but I am happy knowing God loves him regardless.

"as far as I can see", there in lies your problem buddy. You "believe" god.... that's as far as you can see

20 seconds of listening to this guy says all you need to know about Theism , a personal God. It's far less believable than The Three Little Pigs. Aren't they also a "Trinity"? Says so much about human arrogance. It's not about us. Just be happy we're a part (or not)

The truth is, Jesus was NOT God. That solves all of your problems and contradictions.

@andrewferg8737

2 жыл бұрын

Discarding the half of scripture with which you disagree does not "solve all of your problems and contradictions".