What is God? | Episode 1003 | Closer To Truth

How can I assess whether God exists without exploring what kind of God is supposed to exist? So I examine God's essence and nature. Featuring interviews with John Polkinghorne, John Behr, John Hick, J.L. Schellenberg, and Timothy O'Connor.
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  • @ezbody
    @ezbody3 жыл бұрын

    When I was a kid, I looked up to adults, wanting to grow up and be like them, smart and wise, but when I became an adult, I came to a shocking realization that most adults around me were just old children.

  • @jeancorriveau8686

    @jeancorriveau8686

    3 жыл бұрын

    Well said! Religions come with preconceived notions of God. There's only one Creator, so all notions of God are bound to contain erroneous beliefs. It's worse since it's known that the universe is not just limited to our earth. Since humans are ignorant of what's out there, their perceptions of God is bound to be totally wrong!

  • @spiralsun1

    @spiralsun1

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes. It is shocking. Even your college professors. 😳🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️ I made a few scientific arguments for the idea in another video in this series and no one else seems to be making them. I actually wrote a book about these things but no one seems to want to read it because it’s like 400 pages and I left graduate school in behavioral neuroscience and evolutionary psychology to write it and it’s dense.... so here it is in a nutshell -the absolute best and irrefutable arguments for god, and it even encompasses aliens-if they exist-and all human religions ALL religions. I think it will be quite helpful: You have to let go of past arguments, in order to see how a god concept is actually a real and predictive theory of the Universe which no other theory can even come close in explanatory and predictive power. You have to understand the paradoxical in the functions of the brain, and understand human and animal epistemology. It’s quite easy to see where god came from and how humans are models of god. All “theories of everything” are laughable if they do not consider brains and the arts along with physics. They have to consider all forms of information. Not just one aspect or another which allows a certain ignorance so that you can say “then a miracle happens” after you discover a Higgs Boson, for example. So if you really want to predict everything then you will be interested in a real theory of actually everything. There are scientific theories of god and to me, in its overall epistemological ideals, science itself is the greatest religion of all. It searches for the eternal in the fleeting. Instead of “Thor” we see electricity now. We see more meaning and more power as we unify these eternal principles. We can be more creative as we do so. Eternal Creative power Meaning -sounds like moving toward god to me. 😊 And it is. That’s why I wrote “The Textbook of the Universe: The Genetic Ascent to God” 🥰🤷‍♀️ I have never seen anyone else provide a theory which even comes close to all I have predicted and explained with this theory. Makes the theory of evolution look like a tinkertoy. All these people who say there isn’t a god are making a “straw man” argument fallacy. They use antiquated ideas of god instead of looking at the direction and epistemology of the entire body of human inquiry. They make fun of our ancestors ideas instead of modernizing them logically-as we did with mystical alchemy which became modern chemistry or Pythagorean mysticism becoming modern geometry. This is absolutely no different. They may not have fully understood what they were talking about and projected the known human attributes onto the idea, but that doesn’t mean that the idea wasn’t a distillation of something real at its core. Once you understand how the universe is constructed as a teaching machine from beyond time then it will be perfectly clear. Meaning is the key. The reason not everyone saw the meaning in feelings of disgust that something invisible “infected” something rotting, is why we did not have a germ theory of disease and why we ridiculed people who advocated it at one time. People who gather knowledge only for their own purposes and lives now tend to want to pontificate on life in general but what they are really doing is projecting their own rationalizations unaware onto reality. A process ironically that led people like me to come up with processes like science to try to get past their deadly self-motivated ignorance that they cling to like a drowning man to a timber in a hurricane. So yeah, the people who are now arguing against god are grasping onto science and using it in self-serving ways to maintain the my-life’s-purpose-rationale, a sort of paving over all blind spots with any spackle that works, so that they can get away with as little thinking as possible. Logically there is no other way that reality and brains can exist, that the actual language of reality could exist, without an eternal center of meaning and creative coherence which our ancestors called god. Everything in the known universe is a set of interlocking symbols. Including you. It constitutes a book which can only be read one way once you understand the symbols and what they actually mean. There is a unified meaning behind all things. Just as there was a unified meaning behind physical phenomena in general which led to our ability with math, science, and symbols in general. So behind all of these things is a larger creative unity of ultimate meaning and selective power. What you see arrayed before you as “Universe” is obviously a teaching machine. An information instrument panel not unlike a human brain.

  • @spiralsun1

    @spiralsun1

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@jeancorriveau8686 You definitely made a good argument-which is way more than most do. Here is some additional information you may find helpful. I made these comments on one of the other videos about atheism in this series: You have to let go of past arguments, in order to see how a god concept is actually a real and predictive theory of the Universe which no other theory can even come close in explanatory and predictive power. You have to understand the paradoxical in the functions of the brain, and understand human and animal epistemology. It’s quite easy to see where god came from and how humans are models of god. All “theories of everything” are laughable if they do not consider brains and the arts along with physics. They have to consider all forms of information. Not just one aspect or another which allows a certain ignorance so that you can say “then a miracle happens” after you discover a Higgs Boson, for example. So if you really want to predict everything then you will be interested in a real theory of actually everything. There are scientific theories of god and to me, in its overall epistemological ideals, science itself is the greatest religion of all. It searches for the eternal in the fleeting. Instead of “Thor” we see electricity now. We see more meaning and more power as we unify these eternal principles. We can be more creative as we do so. Eternal Creative power Meaning -sounds like moving toward god to me. 😊 And it is. That’s why I wrote “The Textbook of the Universe: The Genetic Ascent to God” 🥰🤷‍♀️ I have never seen anyone else provide a theory which even comes close to all I have predicted and explained with this theory. Makes the theory of evolution look like a tinkertoy. All these people who say there isn’t a god are making a “straw man” argument fallacy. They use antiquated ideas of god instead of looking at the direction and epistemology of the entire body of human inquiry. They make fun of our ancestors ideas instead of modernizing them logically-as we did with mystical alchemy which became modern chemistry or Pythagorean mysticism becoming modern geometry. This is absolutely no different. They may not have fully understood what they were talking about and projected the known human attributes onto the idea, but that doesn’t mean that the idea wasn’t a distillation of something real at its core. Once you understand how the universe is constructed as a teaching machine from beyond time then it will be perfectly clear. Meaning is the key. The reason not everyone saw the meaning in feelings of disgust that something invisible “infected” something rotting, is why we did not have a germ theory of disease and why we ridiculed people who advocated it at one time. People who gather knowledge only for their own purposes and lives now tend to want to pontificate on life in general but what they are really doing is projecting their own rationalizations unaware onto reality. A process ironically that led people like me to come up with processes like science to try to get past their deadly self-motivated ignorance that they cling to like a drowning man to a timber in a hurricane. So yeah, the people who are now arguing against god are grasping onto science and using it in self-serving ways to maintain the my-life’s-purpose-rationale, a sort of paving over all blind spots with any spackle that works, so that they can get away with as little thinking as possible. Logically there is no other way that reality and brains can exist, that the actual language of reality could exist, without an eternal center of meaning and creative coherence which our ancestors called god. Everything in the known universe is a set of interlocking symbols. Including you. It constitutes a book which can only be read one way once you understand the symbols and what they actually mean. There is a unified meaning behind all things. Just as there was a unified meaning behind physical phenomena in general which led to our ability with math, science, and symbols in general. So behind all of these things is a larger creative unity of ultimate meaning and selective power. What you see arrayed before you as “Universe” is obviously a teaching machine. An information instrument panel not unlike a human brain.

  • @UncannyRicardo

    @UncannyRicardo

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@spiralsun1 Interesting, there is progress in time. But I would say this does not make the past obsolete. While mysticism from pythagoras is gone, platonic mathematics has if anything made a return after Godel and Frege. God as a conception may become more clearer with newer information, but I don't think this makes the past ideas of the earlier Church fathers (for example) any less valid. Just conceptualized in a different way. Science is nice, but contrary to its dogmatic materialistic believers, its ultimately rested on mathematical truths. And math itself has always been open to mysticism as much as any natural science.

  • @NaturalFuture

    @NaturalFuture

    3 жыл бұрын

    You're quite right. For most adults either don't possess or use the power of reason to tackle deep issues as those which Robert Lawrence Kuhn does.

  • @contemplativepursuits
    @contemplativepursuits3 жыл бұрын

    The best channel on KZread regarding deepest philosophical questions.

  • @andrewphillips6783

    @andrewphillips6783

    3 жыл бұрын

    Totally agree

  • @cyrillablea8105

    @cyrillablea8105

    3 жыл бұрын

    I love it

  • @therougesage7466

    @therougesage7466

    3 жыл бұрын

    I fourth this notion

  • @SMILYHIPPO

    @SMILYHIPPO

    2 жыл бұрын

    But these questions are discussed only in the western half of the world mostly UK and USA. Let me watch more then I can comment with certainty.

  • @JerkyJones100

    @JerkyJones100

    2 жыл бұрын

    Agreed.

  • @astridheliroemer7314
    @astridheliroemer73143 күн бұрын

    Every God we talk about is just our creation...😊

  • @mediocrates3416
    @mediocrates34163 жыл бұрын

    God is Truth. Truth built a mountain and challenges us to move it; and has told us as much. And everyone can see it; though they may lie.

  • @mediocrates3416

    @mediocrates3416

    2 жыл бұрын

    @USA TAMONDOMUNI Nah, the brain is becoming a coherence detector and we're having trouble articulating; simple as that. ... Oh, and maybe Truth is a person, given what we know about "persons".

  • @robotaholic
    @robotaholic3 жыл бұрын

    For each interviewee their descriptions are just a reflection of their own values. It's so obvious if you take a step back lol

  • @JoseArias-fn5pf

    @JoseArias-fn5pf

    3 жыл бұрын

    True, just cherry picking

  • @Emilnananaxo

    @Emilnananaxo

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@JoseArias-fn5pf cherry picking exists in every form of belief and non-belief. we ultimately choose what to believe, sometimes out of convenience, ego etc.

  • @caspermilquetoast411

    @caspermilquetoast411

    2 жыл бұрын

    That goes for the interviewer too. I have never seen a slimier representation of an unbiased truth seeker than the Atheist Kuhn. I'd like to see him knock on a few scientist's doors once in a while instead of repeatedly making light of people's faith. You know, the science that says you can identify as a woman if you are a man, can kill a child outside the womb or play with disinformation on pandemics. Oh, and also the convenient development of multiple universes and string theory - a theory that requires 500 dimensions to operate.

  • @jesushad12gayfriendwhoallb50

    @jesushad12gayfriendwhoallb50

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@caspermilquetoast411 the interviewer isn’t defining what a god is?

  • @myles5158

    @myles5158

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Emilnananaxo belief is not chosen. You are either convinced, or not convinced. I cannot just go and choose to believe the sky is green, because no matter what I am NOT convinced of that.

  • @miltontorres7401
    @miltontorres74012 жыл бұрын

    Amazing..with each episode, my mind is getting closer to truth.👍

  • @waldwassermann

    @waldwassermann

    11 ай бұрын

    This although you are truth.

  • @he-man_
    @he-man_3 жыл бұрын

    @ 2:31 The interviewer answers his own question from the get go, “what do you imagine the concept of god means?” Key word: Imagine

  • @robertthomas4234

    @robertthomas4234

    2 жыл бұрын

    He was allowing the other to elucidate his thoughts.

  • @EvilMagnitude

    @EvilMagnitude

    Жыл бұрын

    Guess we had better bin the entire discipline of philosophy as well while we're at it

  • @waldwassermann

    @waldwassermann

    11 ай бұрын

    Look up the Sanskrit word Kama.

  • @johanrodriguez8051

    @johanrodriguez8051

    Ай бұрын

    It is just a concept that began in ancient cultures. Passed on through millennia.

  • @johnbuckner2828
    @johnbuckner28283 жыл бұрын

    10:58 "Well, it all depends on what you mean by God." LOL I was just listening & would have sworn that was Jordan Peterson with a swedish accent.

  • @czarcrisostomo9990

    @czarcrisostomo9990

    3 жыл бұрын

    God is truth=truth is god. God has no physical form. God is spirit. If you want to see god use your spirit not your eyes. Your mind is your spirit. If you can see the truth you see god. Whenever you speak of the truth, you follow god.

  • @plantae420

    @plantae420

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@czarcrisostomo9990 But when god is completely non physical then this would make him a lesser being. Only when he is the totality of all existence only then he can be the largest and most complex entity which exists. Every non physical being would just be a part of the totality of everything and therefore a lesser being.

  • @jesushad12gayfriendwhoallb50

    @jesushad12gayfriendwhoallb50

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@czarcrisostomo9990 ok so what is a spirit

  • @watcherwriter1689

    @watcherwriter1689

    Ай бұрын

    That is not a Swedish accent, it is an English accent

  • @jjt1881
    @jjt18813 жыл бұрын

    As an atheist, I considered this chapter as engaging as the rest. Good work.

  • @iggswanna1248

    @iggswanna1248

    2 жыл бұрын

    no one cares sorry

  • @grande6075

    @grande6075

    2 жыл бұрын

    Iam not an atheist but i have a reservation that god does not exist actually it is only a product of imagination.People have percieved god to be perfect and all the superlative attrubutes. Giving such a characteristic even not having a personal encounternif god is simewhat problematic because you have no physical knowledge of god.

  • @andrewferg8737

    @andrewferg8737

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@grande6075 "People have percieved god to be perfect and all the superlative attrubutes" ---- This reflects a later protestant perspective. It is not the view of classical theology. Peace be with you.

  • @dkimphoto

    @dkimphoto

    Жыл бұрын

    @@iggswanna1248 you cared enough to comment; so apparently someone cares.

  • @waldwassermann

    @waldwassermann

    11 ай бұрын

    A means From and Theist means Consciousness. Ask me for further information if needed.

  • @HabibMohamadMohebian
    @HabibMohamadMohebian3 жыл бұрын

    Hi. I’ve been watching your shows for some time. They are great. Each episode teaches so much and opens the mind to different perceptions to a seeker. Only thing is whoever is doing the sound is not doing their job right. When you are having your monologues between the dialogues, the sound is double, so you have to take the volume up and down. In every show.

  • @joeyburrell3207

    @joeyburrell3207

    Жыл бұрын

    God is a spirit being, so I’m afraid us physical beings or anything derived from atoms are just out of luck when it comes to comprehending him in a mental way. We have to come to understand him spiritually by thinking spiritually only I’m afraid Robert. 🫤

  • @adriandegoede
    @adriandegoede2 жыл бұрын

    At long last someone who broadcast the truth!! Very inspirational and the truth!! Thanks for you refreshing channel!!

  • @louiscyfer6944

    @louiscyfer6944

    2 жыл бұрын

    how do you determine what is true?

  • @RealLordGaga
    @RealLordGaga3 жыл бұрын

    God is something people have created in order to give sense to the world and meaning to life.

  • @JohnOrbit
    @JohnOrbit2 жыл бұрын

    I'm amazed at my own ability to come up with completely different answers to these questions depending on the day of the week or the hour of the day. I'm also amazed at how long asking these same questions has gotten me absolutely No Closer To Truth.

  • @andrewferg8737

    @andrewferg8737

    2 жыл бұрын

    "asking these same questions" ---- From a classical theology perspective they are simply the wrong questions...

  • @BillEFabian
    @BillEFabian3 жыл бұрын

    This is the question that every thoughtful individual struggles with. The unexamined life is not worth living, Socrates.

  • @ALavin-en1kr
    @ALavin-en1kr5 ай бұрын

    One definition of God is: Consciousness, Existence, Bliss. We share in the first two, the third is something we have to work on. What does it take? Maybe surrender to reality, a faith that will be lead to the ultimate goal: liberation which would be Consciousness, Existence, and Bliss. Some Saints seem to have achieved it to the extent that no matter what horrors they are put through their peace of mind is not lost.

  • @asimtahir7859
    @asimtahir78593 жыл бұрын

    Robert very informative programs..keep it up. Could you please summarize main points of videos in the end that would be great.

  • @dawid_dahl

    @dawid_dahl

    3 жыл бұрын

    The only point is that Robert is always confused as hell.

  • @judenerfontilus7598

    @judenerfontilus7598

    2 жыл бұрын

    @USA TAMONDOMUNI lol I can’t stop laughing!!

  • @jeffreyphillips4182
    @jeffreyphillips41823 жыл бұрын

    I often times hit the thumbs up button long before the video has run its course because i have yet to see one that's not thought provoking.

  • @JustMeProf
    @JustMeProf3 жыл бұрын

    When I was born, I was told what is GOD, life and so on. So, that's all leads up to believes made up by people. Life is about new experiences and knowledge. Ideas leads to emotions and beliefs.

  • @garychartrand7378

    @garychartrand7378

    2 жыл бұрын

    But do you know what is the reason ( or purpose of " experiences "?

  • @waldwassermann

    @waldwassermann

    11 ай бұрын

    It is said that God is Love. It is not said that God is God.

  • @rodburley
    @rodburley Жыл бұрын

    It is like having a great mountain rising out of the plains. Well, everywhere you look at the mountain, it looks slightly different, depending on where you are looking. If you are up close, if you are far away, if you are to the north, the south, the east or the west-it all looks different, you see. But it is the same mountain. It has not changed with your perspective. You may debate with others about the appearance of the mountain. You are looking from the north and they are looking from the south. Oh, the mountain looks so very different. You argue about its features and its manifestations. To someone up close, it is huge and monumental. To someone at a distance, it is just something out on the horizon. The experience is different. The perspectives are different. But the mountain has not changed. It has not adapted itself to people’s perspective or people’s position around it. ~Marshall Vian Summers

  • @johnchapman5125

    @johnchapman5125

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you, Rod.

  • @marce953
    @marce9532 жыл бұрын

    Without imperfection you’ll never know perfection.

  • @patgreenfield405
    @patgreenfield4052 жыл бұрын

    God is all love. God is all truth. God is all knowledge. God is more important 🙏 than any man.

  • @jeffamos9854
    @jeffamos98543 жыл бұрын

    What is Cat ? A cat is an animal we talk gibberish to and cat meowing is a message for us to serve him.

  • @Ploskkky

    @Ploskkky

    3 жыл бұрын

    That makes more sense than the subject of the video.

  • @melmill1164

    @melmill1164

    3 жыл бұрын

    Also, the creature in my house that hates me unless I feed him.

  • @nothanksnoname7567

    @nothanksnoname7567

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@lepomirbakic4422 Cats are vicious killers actually.

  • @thomasridley8675

    @thomasridley8675

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@lepomirbakic4422 You haven't met my cat. She is a cute little demon. I guess that's why she is still alive.

  • @SmegInThePants

    @SmegInThePants

    3 жыл бұрын

    All cats have 4 legs. My dog has 4 legs. Therefore my dog is a cat.

  • @paultaylor7947
    @paultaylor7947 Жыл бұрын

    It's important to always Have something to look forward to even if it is difficult to at times

  • @rockybalboa8378
    @rockybalboa83783 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Mr. Kuhn these are great videos. As my late Granma would say "thanks be to God."

  • @FoamySlobbers
    @FoamySlobbers3 жыл бұрын

    We don't care about what you Think, we care about what you can demonstrate to be true.

  • @subject8332

    @subject8332

    3 жыл бұрын

    So simple concept, so many people fail to understand it..

  • @notnuff2264

    @notnuff2264

    11 ай бұрын

    Speak for yourself.

  • @waldwassermann

    @waldwassermann

    11 ай бұрын

    Truth Is.

  • @davetubervid
    @davetubervid2 жыл бұрын

    A logical positivist or linguistic philosopher would also ask 'what do we mean by ''real'' or ''reality'' before asking the questions about God that Robert Kuhn asks his philosophers. Kuhn wants to know what is real without asking what 'real' means. Doesn't this defeat the purpose of his metaphysical questions?

  • @blijebij

    @blijebij

    Жыл бұрын

    Not absolutely (as he speaks on general grounds), but you have a point. The same logic can be applied to the label 'God'. What is god?

  • @davetubervid

    @davetubervid

    Жыл бұрын

    @@blijebij Precisely. 'God' has multiple meanings (greater than, creator, etc.), so needs defining before using it in an argument.

  • @bkc3191
    @bkc31912 жыл бұрын

    outstanding series. great questions and world’s best thinkers on these issues. i really like polkingham’s “process theology” notion of an open future, ie, God does not know the future. but i wonder if this is too much a view of God bound by time, which is a constituitive element of our physical universe, but what about the universe (multiverse) beyond or outside of time, and God’s relationship to that bigger picture? Time itself is a problematic aspect to cosmology, in my thinking

  • @Carlos-fl6ch
    @Carlos-fl6ch3 жыл бұрын

    God is everything we don't understand about everything untill we do understand it.

  • @zakschneider9961
    @zakschneider99613 жыл бұрын

    It is amazing to me how people of faith always talk about the same thing in totally different terms. To me--in and of itself--that is some proof that they are all just professional, polished, bullshit artists. If everyone has a completely different conception of what a thing is, then that thing is probably not an actual thing. (at least not in the conventional religious sense) Its the same kind of logic that I see Christian's use all the time: Basically the rest of the world (even though they believe what the believe as strongly as the Christian) is simply just "wrong" and they are right. I always think its important to be wary of that. And I don't mean that in a nasty way, I believe that they believe what they say with all of their heart, I just think they have almost convinced themselves of something that does not exist through being able to manipulate the human mind (which is quite malleable). Also--quick note--let's say god was real, and it was a real thing, why would He choose to align himself with one of the most historically corrupt and awful institutions this world has ever seen?

  • @nickolasgaspar9660

    @nickolasgaspar9660

    3 жыл бұрын

    When you play tennis without the net and the lines, its difficult to recognize the game.

  • @zakschneider9961

    @zakschneider9961

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@nickolasgaspar9660 Yeah, I feel like those who cling to religion have an unfair advantage in this debate because depending on the person they can just make up whatever definitions fit their arguments. They may see themselves as "ultimately correct" but I know that there are billions of other believers who possess the same exact veracity that THEY are correct so therefore the likelihood is that one of them is wrong because it is not like one person has access to a supernatural conscious and one person doesn't. So one person could be wrong......or maybe both people are wrong....

  • @nickolasgaspar9660

    @nickolasgaspar9660

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Billy Boffin Magical thinking goes beyond brainwashing. aeon.co/essays/magical-thinking-still-haunts-all-our-thoughts

  • @AlexanderShamov

    @AlexanderShamov

    3 жыл бұрын

    > I believe that they believe what they say with all of their heart I doubt that they believe any of it. Maybe a few actually do, like mothers who would pray for their sick children at the expense of actual medical attention. But true believers who actually base their working model of the world on their religion would stand out as insane fanatics, or schizophrenics, or something along those lines. I think the mainstream notion of religious belief is not belief at all. It's a complicated mess involving habits of storytelling, attribution of various things to God, and all sorts of ritualistic thinking and motions associated with religion. But I'm pretty convinced that most religious people have the same expectations from reality as atheists have. They'll pray, and dream, and think about God, and then go ahead and plan their actions in the real world in a way that only makes sense in a godless world. And when the universe shows its usual indifference, when prayer fails to cure cancer and nobody miraculously survives the plane crash - they feel sad about it, but not surprised. I think this means that fundamentally, their predictive model of reality is godless.

  • @LeventeCzelnai

    @LeventeCzelnai

    3 жыл бұрын

    well, somebody is obviously wrong. but why do u think that being incorrect on something (ex. God exists, he has x properties) while it is objectively false, is worse than being incorrect on denying something while that is actually true?

  • @MultiQsan
    @MultiQsan2 жыл бұрын

    "When you want something really bad and you close your eyes and you wish for it, God's the guy that ignores you."

  • @thetoddlanders1992

    @thetoddlanders1992

    2 жыл бұрын

    Quite funny, but also pretty silly.

  • @jesushad12gayfriendwhoallb50

    @jesushad12gayfriendwhoallb50

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@thetoddlanders1992 the provide an actual definition

  • @waldwassermann

    @waldwassermann

    11 ай бұрын

    When you look in a mirror there is God. Don't overthink. We are it.

  • @tonyg.emmijr.6521

    @tonyg.emmijr.6521

    11 ай бұрын

    If you chose this idea, does that speak more of your own personal limitations? I mean, your inquiry seems a little self-involved; “want something really bad and you close your eyes and wish for it, (and) God” ignores you. I am not foolish enough to try to convince you of anything, I may be naive enough to believe your written words as your truths. Let me just ask, in my career, especially in the Army, I did things that I would never think I could do or ever volunteer to do. (I served from 1981-1986). But, if “I wished” not to do such things, I would have missed valuable lessons about myself and my capabilities and how soldiers can work together to do amazing things. Again, you choose your beliefs, but remember they are only your “perceptional truths” (David Bohm).

  • @tonyg.emmijr.6521

    @tonyg.emmijr.6521

    11 ай бұрын

    Robert Kuhn: I have much respect for your education and intelligence, but as a person with limited degrees, I respectfully say, I don’t believe you will ever find any answer different than your worldview (as I see and understand you). Or, as a man with the same last name as you, Thomas Kuhn, you’re locked into a paradigm that is unchangeable? Or metaphorically speaking you are missing a fundamental ingredient in your logic; you are using a Newtonian mind trying to explain entangled particles. If I may borrow a verse from Billy S.; There are more things in heaven and Earth, Horatio, / Than are dreamt of in your philosophy [science].” Again, much respect to you for your erudition, but if I am correct, you are missing the sublime Spiritual nature of this material word. Without which you will never convince yourself that there is a good explanation of God. I would love to discuss more with you, but I am well aware you will run circles around me. But, as I would still enjoy to engage directly with you. One last thing; thought experiment. If we could imbue a quark, or a single proton (in the particle concept) with awareness, then would the lab, the science building or the twin in which surrounds us, does that equal our relationship to the Universe in size and significance? You assume our size is the standard. What if we are just quanta in the universe? I hope I didn’t waste your time. Tony

  • @larrysmith1459
    @larrysmith14593 жыл бұрын

    The search is endless to find truth. Reality is always just beyond our grasp. As we approach it expands. We are left within our being of consciousness to contemplate...how to know the unknowable.

  • @MarketOracleTV

    @MarketOracleTV

    3 жыл бұрын

    step 1 - ditch god.

  • @kevinhmingthantluanga358
    @kevinhmingthantluanga3582 жыл бұрын

    One of the Greatest channel in KZread..

  • @tomkwake2503
    @tomkwake25033 жыл бұрын

    When All Religions that believe in God come together and provide a single definition of What God "IS", I'll have a better understaning of my relationship to that defnition, otherwise, I'll wilholdhold judgement...

  • @tomkwake2503

    @tomkwake2503

    2 жыл бұрын

    @USA TAMONDOMUNI Perhaps some people want to put all their energy into suporting a belief in a God. Others want to put their energy into the belief in Science. Some don't want to believe in anything, not even truth. And some seek to sense the Truth. However if humanity doesn't survive in the long run, it's all inconsequetial..

  • @aqilshamil9633

    @aqilshamil9633

    2 жыл бұрын

    @USA TAMONDOMUNI She's The Womb

  • @dennistucker1153
    @dennistucker11533 жыл бұрын

    I love it! Discussions with smart people about things that cannot be proven or dis-proven.

  • @dennistucker1153

    @dennistucker1153

    2 жыл бұрын

    @USA TAMONDOMUNI There is a saying..."You can't argue with a sick mind."

  • @waldwassermann

    @waldwassermann

    11 ай бұрын

    @USA TAMONDOMUNI Too long man. Please condense.

  • @ElkoJohn
    @ElkoJohn Жыл бұрын

    John Hick has my vote.

  • @ruskiny280
    @ruskiny28011 ай бұрын

    Bottom line "it is stranger than we can think". RBS Haldane. Best reaction "take Jesus at his word". Tolstoy (endorsed by Gandhi, JSM and Einstein.)

  • @DM-zq8qy
    @DM-zq8qy3 жыл бұрын

    The SMARTER we become, the LESS we KNOW.

  • @nickolasgaspar9660

    @nickolasgaspar9660

    3 жыл бұрын

    Are we really getting smarter as a species...? Well the truth is that we constantly increase the size of our epistemic circle....in the process the perimeter of our ignorance gets bigger.

  • @nickolasgaspar9660

    @nickolasgaspar9660

    3 жыл бұрын

    @fynes leigh to "know" means to be able to express a claim that is in agreement with available current facts and useful in our process of producing further knowledge, testable predictions and technical applications.

  • @nickolasgaspar9660

    @nickolasgaspar9660

    3 жыл бұрын

    @fynes leigh -"I think you probably already know that that definition will not bear close examination for more than two seconds, because you appear to be saying that knowledge is saying something, which is obviously absurd. " -You are pulling my leg right? Of course knowledge is a quality and an evaluation we apply on our statements. (Oxford University-Logic 101). -"You will have to do much better than that." -You will need to do better if you making a different existential claim about the abstract concept of "knowledge"! Try posting a definition of Knowledge for a change. -"What do you know as surely as you know pain?" -Are you familiar with the Nocebo effect? So pain is an emotion that we reason in to a feeling. We are aware of our pain because we feel this emotion. So our knowledge of this feeling is based on current available facts collected by our sensory system. You are trying to make an argument based on a fallacy of ambiguity (equate our awareness of a fact(information) ..the feel of an emotion, with knowing..not wise or useful). -"If merely saying something wwere knowledge, then all men would know, and they plainly do not. Do you understand the very real and fundamental difference between knowledge and information?" -You are promoting a strawman. Facts are information. Our framework explaining those facts is knowledge mate. -"I can easily illustrate it if you wish. " -You have illustrate your confusion and your inability to put down a sentence without containing a logical fallacy! -" In my respectful submission knowledge is direct immediate personal apprehension, as direct immediate and personal as pain, and anything falling short of that could not possibly be knowledge." -ok yes.....but No. this is a mystic woo woo definition. Again argument from ambiguity. Being aware of an emotion is a fact we receive from our Biology. Knowledge would be if we could FIND OUT THE CAUSE OF THE PAIN AND TREAT IT mate... -"Thus you "know" absolutely nothing about tiny things such as atoms and electrons or subatomic particles, and nor does anyone else, nor could anyone else possibly have any direct immediate personal apprehension of them, you agree?" -You can not state that while using a device and an internet connection which both are based on that exact knowledge mate.....Again you are confusing Absolute Knowledge (a red herring, one more fallacy) with Knowledge. Knowledge is not absolute, it evolves along with our observations. Science being the most reliable type of knowledge makes that clear. Knowledge is an evaluation term we apply on our current claims about the world. We use facts(information) and establish a narrative. If this narrative is compatible with our current facts and produces more knowledge predictions and technical applications then we evaluate it as KNOWLEDGE. This is really simple mate. -"Perhaps you don't understand the difference between knowledge and information." -I am sure I explained twice your error on this. Information=facts , Knowledge=Instrumentally valuable narrative of those facts. -"Self-evidently nobody can "know" anything about the past because it is not possible to directly immediately personally apprehend anything whatsoever about the past or the future (which is a dream)" -Self evidently Forensic Science renders your claim wrong. Self evidently scientific theories are frameworks that offer accurate predictions based on studying the past.I think we are good for now.

  • @zakirnaikahmaddeedat3651

    @zakirnaikahmaddeedat3651

    3 жыл бұрын

    the more we realize how less we know

  • @nickolasgaspar9660

    @nickolasgaspar9660

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@zakirnaikahmaddeedat3651 that is a vague deepity. The perimeter of our ignorance is relative to the circle of our knowledge. We can not realize what we don't know without realizing what we already know.

  • @David-xt9uf
    @David-xt9uf3 жыл бұрын

    John Hick: "There are a lot of different religions out there, they seem to contradict each other, they all seem to be equally productive of good people and saintliness!" Very true sir, but I guess you missed one point there: religions have also been capable of bringing a lot of misery, torture, wars and other atrocities upon humans throughout the history!

  • @borderlands6606

    @borderlands6606

    3 жыл бұрын

    Institutionally atheist regimes - political systems where adherence to a religious deity is punishable by imprisonment or death - have killed over 100 million in the last century alone. This adheres to the belief in fallen man, whereas atheist inspired death is consistent with the belief in people as machines, and as such, disposable. There's always the No True Scotsman get out, that they were the wrong kind of atheist.

  • @TheFlamingChips

    @TheFlamingChips

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@borderlands6606 that has no effect on the person's claim. If 100 million people died "due to athiesm" then 1 billion people have died in history due to religion. What's the point in making it a numbers, us-vs-them, game?

  • @melgross

    @melgross

    3 жыл бұрын

    Atheistic regimes don’t murder people because the regimes are atheist. They murder them because they’re dictatorships, just as religious dictatorships do.

  • @shoopinc

    @shoopinc

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@melgross exactly, dogmatic ideology is the problem. The belief itself or lack thereof is almost irrelevant to the capacity of it's followers to commit atrocities.

  • @AdityaGhosh50

    @AdityaGhosh50

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@melgross Yes, I think Christopher Hitchens said that North Korea is the most religious state, it wants people to praise their leader day and night. I think most people forget "atheist regimes" do not centre their ideologies on atheism, but on things like communism or authoritarianism. In that sense any regime which focuses on absolute power is religious (There is a distinction between being theist and being religious).

  • @nivlemhero4115
    @nivlemhero41153 жыл бұрын

    If we were then asked if the Philosopher's God perfectly describe our Theistic God (The God of our Religion) then we are just attempting to rationalize his existence. But if our Theistic God is invented then neither is true because both are products of the human mind. If there's a God, I would never limit God to reasoning and justification but also never underestimate the creativity of the human mind. If many religions exist and the fact that there are several legends and myths and also moral lessons that can be drawn through literature, one might think that it is man who created God not the other way around. Institutions forming doctrines and creed are possible even with a fake God. If people are explaining this and that but at the end arrived at a mystery then that's for rhetoric. Because we all know that truth is not a mystery. I love the questioning. Great interview on Mr. John Hick.

  • @MarioGonzalez-mx3mk
    @MarioGonzalez-mx3mk2 жыл бұрын

    Agree, great videos to feed our thoughts.! 🙃

  • @singhskeptic5742
    @singhskeptic57423 жыл бұрын

    Better would have been that eastern viewpoint could have been included.

  • @robertlawrencekuhn4483

    @robertlawrencekuhn4483

    3 жыл бұрын

    Right! Planning for 2021/2022

  • @kootdirker2448

    @kootdirker2448

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@robertlawrencekuhn4483 would be very interesting having a talk with sadghuru He has very interested views on religion

  • @waldwassermann

    @waldwassermann

    11 ай бұрын

    @@kootdirker2448 No. He's in it for money.

  • @AnonAnon1
    @AnonAnon13 жыл бұрын

    This video is a breath of fresh air. I have seen lots of videos with Richard Dawkins arguing with theists which just get really awkward and destructive. This is a much better conversation.

  • @scottlouissmith2382
    @scottlouissmith2382 Жыл бұрын

    It's EZ to fool someone! But it's even harder to convince someone that they have been fooled, especially by religion....

  • @waldwassermann

    @waldwassermann

    11 ай бұрын

    Perhaps God veils itself so not to be by itself.

  • @scottlouissmith2382

    @scottlouissmith2382

    11 ай бұрын

    @@waldwassermann Ok, that made no scene at all! Try again.....

  • @piushalg8175
    @piushalg81753 жыл бұрын

    I remember the notion of a theologian about the personality of God. He said that God is certainly not less than personal. He seems to have meant that God has for instance something like willpower or that he can be adressed and is capable of adressing human beeings. Moreover it is a common understanding in christian theology that all human speech about God can only be understood as analogous.

  • @karthickmurali598
    @karthickmurali5983 жыл бұрын

    With questions like this, you ain't gonna get anywhere closer to truth

  • @nickolasgaspar9660

    @nickolasgaspar9660

    3 жыл бұрын

    Lol....true.

  • @waldwassermann

    @waldwassermann

    11 ай бұрын

    That is true. In the beginning there were no questions. There was only God not wanting to be alone. Now God has questions. But God is no longer alone.

  • @essardaudinett6934
    @essardaudinett69343 жыл бұрын

    10:41 to 16:03 is the most sense ever issued on this topic of God.

  • @JrobAlmighty

    @JrobAlmighty

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's the only thing that can possibly make any real sense as a matter we can debate at this point.

  • @bradsmith9189

    @bradsmith9189

    3 ай бұрын

    Absolutely disagree. First, he mischaracterizes infinitely and the effect Second, God could easily correct pain and suffering but he would rob us of his greatest gift to us, free will. If he intervened, his divine hiddenness would be exposed and we would be forever fearfully enslaved. The rest of his nonsense is simply mambo jumbo crafted to sound intellectual. It’s not.

  • @bobheaney211
    @bobheaney2113 жыл бұрын

    Jusst Googled John Hick and seen that he died in February 2012. RIP fella, I'll be following your work posthumously.

  • @ghostrwiter4697
    @ghostrwiter46973 жыл бұрын

    ما اخرجناه من الباب نعيده من النافذة ؟؟ ونعيد الالتباس ونعيد انكار انفسنا وانكار العالم ونعيد دفن رؤوسنا في رمال السماوات ونعيد فتش عن ايمانك في قلبك وكن على حذر شديد مما تختاره لحياتك القادمة وتجسدك القادم ؟؟؟ لا ...لن نعيد شيئا من ذلك ولتبق لنا حماقتنا وغفلتنا ويبقى لنا الخراء نحمله في امعائنا بينما نتكلم عن التسامي الى معالي الامور

  • @bradstephan7886
    @bradstephan78863 жыл бұрын

    The problem with this question is that you first must answer the question, What is a human being? Once that is answered, the question of What is God is also answered.

  • @waldwassermann

    @waldwassermann

    11 ай бұрын

    Clever and correct. God and Self are synonyms.

  • @rmhanseniii
    @rmhanseniii3 жыл бұрын

    That’s an easy question...God is everything that we will never be able to explain,.. ever

  • @deepakkapurvirtualclass
    @deepakkapurvirtualclass2 жыл бұрын

    Food for Thought 👍👍 But, questions can never end... a) If You find the most/last fundamental particle... the very next question will be..."From where this last fundamental particle came?" b) If You find God... the very next question will be..."From where God came?" c) If You say this last fundamental particle/God existed always.... the next questions will be... "Who/Which rule decided that the God is to be good/powerful/one etc. (Why not many Gods/less powerful God/evil God)" "Which rule decided that the last fundamental particle will have these properties only, which it will possess...why not some different properties?" "How can an immaterial God make something material? What is the process behind this conversion?" What is the energy source of an immaterial thing by which it can sustain? etc. etc. Therefore in spirituality/Yoga they say that we should focus on achieving Supreme Happiness (Happiness/Bliss that never goes away). Even if we find everything in the universe, ultimately we will achieve satisfaction/happiness. So, they say don't give much importance to knowledge (because questions can never end)...but give importance to the path which leads you to a state of default/supreme happiness, which once achieved never ever goes away.. God is nothing but this state. Once we achieve this state, they say, we are no different from God...then, we become God.

  • @edwardmirza
    @edwardmirza2 жыл бұрын

    A material world in which everything is lost, and in which those who suffer have only one chance, is too dismal to contemplate - I hope there's a God.

  • @ismailcihanpeker8119

    @ismailcihanpeker8119

    2 жыл бұрын

    kzread.info/dash/bejne/iqGHm5achqSyZqw.html Searching the God very close

  • @bretnetherton9273
    @bretnetherton92733 жыл бұрын

    "What is Is God." Ramana Maharshi Awareness is known by awareness alone.

  • @glenemma1

    @glenemma1

    3 жыл бұрын

    @tanon You would be more correct if you said, it doesn't have to be thought about. Thinking about it is an obstruction to it for you.

  • @karthickmurali598

    @karthickmurali598

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@aug2890 *Never believe what a religious person says

  • @nickolasgaspar9660

    @nickolasgaspar9660

    3 жыл бұрын

    So Ramana Maharishi is God...lol...or are you quoting him? Awareness is not a thing that does anything. Awareness is a mental ability product of a biological process(brain function). Being aware allow us to identify things in existence. Existence is primary. In order to be aware of us and the things around us they all must first exist.

  • @glenemma1

    @glenemma1

    3 жыл бұрын

    @tanon Do you know you are hungry without having to think about it? Do you have to think about it before you breathe. A baby is aware virtually from Day 1 ( maybe even in the womb) long before the brain has developed a thinking capacity. To know precedes thought. Awareness is Being and the world is It 'awaring'. The only substance which is ( and is it a substance ?), is Awareness.

  • @holgerjrgensen2166

    @holgerjrgensen2166

    3 жыл бұрын

    All of You, must understand the basic reality, that the Being, and the Ability of the Being, is two sides of the Eternal Life, which in it's own eternal nature is name-less, and also have no meaning, as is a part of the creation.

  • @Renato404
    @Renato4043 жыл бұрын

    9:22 nice try on the old switch on the onus of proof. The onus is on sir - the theist, to define which god you believe in. And then the onus is also on you to prove that god is real, not only to atheists but particularly to other theists who believe in a different god that, according to you, is false. Not only you are incapable of proving that your god is real, you can't prove that all those other gods you reject are false.

  • @hadeseye2297

    @hadeseye2297

    3 жыл бұрын

    This guy wouldn't believe in God without Jesus. Pretty narrow minded and quite obvious when you listen to him. My Bible says that Jesus was human not God. Any proof of that? "Father. Why have you forsaken me?" Would God doubt in himself?

  • @Intraphase1

    @Intraphase1

    3 жыл бұрын

    The evidence paradox is always in play. If God is a serial killer, are you willing to "Die For Proof?" I think not old son. Hence Jesus won that which had never been won before, eternal life for himself and two billion consent decrees for individuals seeking continuity of consciousness. You don't make demands of GOD. He sets a price and you either meet it or walk away, if he doesn't kill you on the spot, as a false god. Are you GOD?

  • @waldwassermann

    @waldwassermann

    11 ай бұрын

    Proof is proof upon itself.

  • @tedgrant2
    @tedgrant22 жыл бұрын

    We know that something cannot come from nothing. So something must come from something. And we call that God.

  • @cvsree
    @cvsree3 жыл бұрын

    God is like the movie screen Universe is like the movie Without screen there is no movie And the screen is unmoved by the rollercoaster ride of the movie

  • @jdsood7101
    @jdsood71013 жыл бұрын

    Infinite Gods,Just different level of conciousness.i believe.Knowing makes the level of conciousness.The more knowledgable the higher the level of conciousness.Auto update mode.That is why different gods came on earth at different times as per requirement.

  • @nickolasgaspar9660

    @nickolasgaspar9660

    3 жыл бұрын

    Well knowledge is not the only parameter for more advanced conscious states. Critical thinking, social wisdom, empathy, memory, experiences etc are some of the mind properties needed for elevated conscious states. The extent of brain connectivity is a huge parameter for the quality of our conscious states.

  • @sharonmarsh3728

    @sharonmarsh3728

    3 жыл бұрын

    Psalm 🙏 83:18

  • @johnhannon8034
    @johnhannon80343 жыл бұрын

    Whatever it was, Nietzsche reckons we killed it.

  • @followyourbliss973
    @followyourbliss9739 ай бұрын

    When Einstein gave lectures at U.S. universities, the recurring question that students asked him most was: - Do you believe in God? And he always answered: - I believe in the God of Spinoza. Baruch de Spinoza was a Dutch philosopher considered one of the great rationalists of 17th century philosophy, along with Descartes. (Spinoza) : God would say: Stop praying. What I want you to do is go out into the world and enjoy your life. I want you to sing, have fun and enjoy everything I've made for you. Stop going into those dark, cold temples that you built yourself and saying they are my house. My house is in the mountains, in the woods, rivers, lakes, beaches. That's where I live and there I express my love for you. Stop blaming me for your miserable life; I never told you there was anything wrong with you or that you were a sinner, or that your sexuality was a bad thing. Sex is a gift I have given you and with which you can express your love, your ecstasy, your joy. So don't blame me for everything they made you believe. Stop reading alleged sacred scriptures that have nothing to do with me. If you can't read me in a sunrise, in a landscape, in the look of your friends, in your son's eyes... ➤ you will find me in no book! Stop asking me "will you tell me how to do my job?" Stop being so scared of me. I do not judge you or criticize you, nor get angry, or bothered. I am pure love. Stop asking for forgiveness, there's nothing to forgive. If I made you... I filled you with passions, limitations, pleasures, feelings, needs, inconsistencies... free will. How can I blame you if you respond to something I put in you? How can I punish you for being the way you are, if I'm the one who made you? Do you think I could create a place to burn all my children who behave badly for the rest of eternity? What kind of god would do that? Respect your peers and don't do what you don't want for yourself. All I ask is that you pay attention in your life, that alertness is your guide. My beloved, this life is not a test, not a step on the way, not a rehearsal, nor a prelude to paradise. This life is the only thing here and now and it is all you need. I have set you absolutely free, no prizes or punishments, no sins or virtues, no one carries a marker, no one keeps a record. You are absolutely free to create in your life. Heaven or hell. ➤ I can't tell you if there's anything after this life but I can give you a tip. Live as if there is not. As if this is your only chance to enjoy, to love, to exist. So, if there's nothing after, then you will have enjoyed the opportunity I gave you. And if there is, rest assured that I won't ask if you behaved right or wrong, I'll ask. Did you like it? Did you have fun? What did you enjoy the most? What did you learn?... Stop believing in me; believing is assuming, guessing, imagining. I don't want you to believe in me, I want you to believe in you. I want you to feel me in you when you kiss your beloved, when you tuck in your little girl, when you caress your dog, when you bathe in the sea. Stop praising me, what kind of egomaniac God do you think I am? I'm bored being praised. I'm tired of being thanked. Feeling grateful? Prove it by taking care of yourself, your health, your relationships, the world. Express your joy! That's the way to praise me. Stop complicating things and repeating as a parakeet what you've been taught about me. What do you need more miracles for? So many explanations? The only thing for sure is that you are here, that you are alive, that this world is full of wonders. - Spinoza

  • @flovv4580

    @flovv4580

    8 ай бұрын

    🎯

  • @sethanon6778

    @sethanon6778

    6 ай бұрын

    Well said . ❤

  • @lomaschueco
    @lomaschueco3 жыл бұрын

    God is the ultimate Being without which nothing would exist. God is the precondition necessary for everything to exist. Did I mention without God nothing would exist?

  • @ForOrAgainstUs
    @ForOrAgainstUs3 жыл бұрын

    "What God don't you believe in?" Yours. Every time. So tell me. Why do you believe and why should I believe?

  • @nickolasgaspar9660

    @nickolasgaspar9660

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@antilaw9911 I think that the don't just fear "hell". Their existential anxiety forces them to accept any available death denying ideology. This is why we can witness the rise of new age woo and all the relative idealistic bs about consciousness and awareness and energies. Most dudes can not accept that this party has an end due to the expiration date of their biology.

  • @ForOrAgainstUs

    @ForOrAgainstUs

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@nickolasgaspar9660 do you not have ANY existential death anxiety?

  • @nickolasgaspar9660

    @nickolasgaspar9660

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@ForOrAgainstUs having existential anxieties is one thing. Accepting irrational stories to ease them is an other.

  • @carlwebstern5065

    @carlwebstern5065

    3 жыл бұрын

    Came across this website - www.doesgodexistandbeyond.com/evidenceoftheresurrection/ investigates Christianity with Reason and Logical Evaluation. And explains Proven Biblical Manuscript History ( Historiography ) - www.doesgodexistandbeyond.com/manuscriptevidenceofthebiblepages/ Also answers skeptic accusations Examining Primary Evidences and Sources. Worth a read.

  • @ForOrAgainstUs

    @ForOrAgainstUs

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@carlwebstern5065 Sorry, I read through some (not all, at all) and the main problem I have is that in order to accept any arguments, Christians throw in these giant faith balls. From the web site: "By doing this, he paid the ransom for all the sins of mankind on himself, and by the shedding of his blood and his death, he had become that Sin." Christians have the problem of having such a complicated theology that they don't know what first principles look like. To be honest, when people say "Jesus died for your sins" I have no idea what that means. I was raised and confirmed Catholic, and I have no idea what that means. To me, all that says is that if I accept Jesus (whatever that means) that I'll go to Heaven, but the crux of the argument is that I should be scared enough to figure out what it means, and if I don't figure it out I might as well lie to myself and tell people I know what it means, because I sure as hell want to go to Heaven. If someone could for once explain what "Jesus died for your sins" actually means and how that's supposed to psychologically and emotionally affect me, I'll at least have a piece of the puzzle. That website is not a place to go for arguments. It's a sermon.

  • @jefffarris3359
    @jefffarris33593 жыл бұрын

    That guy likes to say postulate alot

  • @Farsider3955

    @Farsider3955

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yup, just like Hawking loved to say “singularity” over & over, and Kurzweil loves to say “exponential” 1,000 times a day..... for these type of people, saying a cool sounding intellectual word over & over & over becomes like a ‘trademark’ for them - makes them seem clever and super smart.

  • @arthurwieczorek4894
    @arthurwieczorek48943 жыл бұрын

    I have always conceived of God as the personification of the unknown. But maybe God is a personal reification of what should be true. How do these two ideas relate to each other?

  • @letsknow2587
    @letsknow25872 жыл бұрын

    There is that hole in someone's existence that can only be filled by God-consciousness, that is what brought up this Question since the beginning of humanity.

  • @andrewferg8737

    @andrewferg8737

    2 жыл бұрын

    "hole in someone's existence" --- The often repeated phrase is a useful metaphor for practical intuition. It does not however reflect classical theology and is quite contrary to it.

  • @forever-flat.5608
    @forever-flat.56083 жыл бұрын

    What is what? Were is were? Who is who? Why is why? These Are Just Some Of The Question's That May Never Be answered, And If Answered, May Not Be The Answer We Want To Hear... Ain't Life But A Dream!!.

  • @MarketOracleTV

    @MarketOracleTV

    3 жыл бұрын

    Answer is - capitalism. Humans are basically capitalists. Now go and view history from that prism.

  • @forever-flat.5608

    @forever-flat.5608

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@MarketOracleTV Wrong Answer.. Next.

  • @adetolaadedeji7273

    @adetolaadedeji7273

    3 жыл бұрын

    Because what is and can only be what... Until what is defined... So also who, where and why, they are mysteries that tries to find a definition for certain things or events.

  • @waldwassermann

    @waldwassermann

    11 ай бұрын

    Life is Self. Self is different so not to be alone.

  • @youtubevideo2607
    @youtubevideo26073 жыл бұрын

    "Could the real Creator ever be really weak?" - What reality?

  • @nickolasgaspar9660

    @nickolasgaspar9660

    3 жыл бұрын

    the reality of physical impressions.

  • @youtubevideo2607

    @youtubevideo2607

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@nickolasgaspar9660 You are a big time fool if you think that reality is made of physical impressions. I can assure you that reality is not made of physical impressions. I dont what you are thinking but you are mistake about what reality is =D Oh, my dear Nickolas - you are such a fool =D And I say this with the all love in my heart =D God bless you mate =D

  • @param888

    @param888

    4 ай бұрын

    by 2036, there must be a man who should be capable of answering your question. wait till...then. how old are you? and what is your name /from?

  • @marcosgalvao3182
    @marcosgalvao31823 жыл бұрын

    God is the ultimate consciousness , the infinite formless that give infinite forms , the light of infinite colors , the awareness of infinite awareness .

  • @jaymz1999

    @jaymz1999

    3 жыл бұрын

    Marcos galvão How do you know?

  • @jesushad12gayfriendwhoallb50

    @jesushad12gayfriendwhoallb50

    2 жыл бұрын

    What is an ultimate consciousness

  • @arthurwieczorek4894
    @arthurwieczorek48943 жыл бұрын

    When people say there is a devine purpose to things they really mean is a Devine Purpose. Devine Purpose means Don't ask what the purpose is.

  • @ismailcihanpeker8119

    @ismailcihanpeker8119

    2 жыл бұрын

    Devine purpose: God wants to be known and loved. He reveails himaelf by his actions which can be observable by means of science throughout the Universe.

  • @ismailcihanpeker8119

    @ismailcihanpeker8119

    2 жыл бұрын

    kzread.info/dash/bejne/iqGHm5achqSyZqw.html

  • @maxnullifidian
    @maxnullifidian3 жыл бұрын

    The word "God" is a sound some people make when they really mean "I don't know."

  • @jesushad12gayfriendwhoallb50

    @jesushad12gayfriendwhoallb50

    2 жыл бұрын

    @USA TAMONDOMUNI nice copy and paste shame you didn’t actually provide a definition

  • @G_Demolished
    @G_Demolished2 жыл бұрын

    I’ve never understood how someone can claim God is unfathomable while earning a living explaining him to people. 🤷‍♂️

  • @thetoddlanders1992

    @thetoddlanders1992

    2 жыл бұрын

    Some scientists earn a living through science - and through teaching science - while also admitting that they don't understand the totality of the scientific and physical world. It's possible to understand bits of the whole, even when other bits elude.

  • @robertthomas4234

    @robertthomas4234

    2 жыл бұрын

    Who's explaining? Searching...that's the game

  • @caspermilquetoast411

    @caspermilquetoast411

    2 жыл бұрын

    I've never understood how Einstein and Hawking can be wrong on important theories and still hold onto their tenures.

  • @robertthomas4234

    @robertthomas4234

    2 жыл бұрын

    Nobody has ever claimed to explain god; nobody of good intent that is. Cult leaders and evildoers, like those who claim to contact the dead (for a large fee) prey on the gullible. The spirit of enquiry drives the Closer to Truth series; where is the person explaining god? I must have missed that part!

  • @robertthomas4234

    @robertthomas4234

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@thetoddlanders1992 I refuse to use anything I couldn't make myself from scratch. You wanna see my car and the clothes I wear! And don't get me started on the food proplem..OMG!!😂

  • @tyamada21
    @tyamada21 Жыл бұрын

    Listed below is a piece from 'Saved by the Light of the Buddha Within'... My new understandings of what many call 'God -The Holy Spirit' - resulting from some of the extraordinary ongoing after-effects relating to my NDE... Myoho-Renge-Kyo represents the identity of what some scientists are now referring to as the unified field of consciousnesses. In other words, it’s the essence of all existence and non-existence - the ultimate creative force behind planets, stars, nebulae, people, animals, trees, fish, birds, and all phenomena, manifest or latent. All matter and intelligence are simply waves or ripples manifesting to and from this core source. Consciousness (enlightenment) is itself the actual creator of everything that exists now, ever existed in the past, or will exist in the future - right down to the minutest particles of dust - each being an individual ripple or wave. The big difference between chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo and most other conventional prayers is that instead of depending on a ‘middleman’ to connect us to our state of inner enlightenment, we’re able to do it ourselves. That’s because chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo allows us to tap directly into our enlightened state by way of this self-produced sound vibration. ‘Who or What Is God?’ If we compare the concept of God being a separate entity that is forever watching down on us, to the teachings of Nichiren, it makes more sense to me that the true omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence of what most people perceive to be God, is the fantastic state of enlightenment that exists within each of us. Some say that God is an entity that’s beyond physical matter - I think that the vast amount of information continuously being conveyed via electromagnetic waves in today’s world gives us proof of how an invisible state of God could indeed exist. For example, it’s now widely known that specific data relayed by way of electromagnetic waves has the potential to help bring about extraordinary and powerful effects - including an instant global awareness of something or a mass emotional reaction. It’s also common knowledge that these invisible waves can easily be used to detonate a bomb or to enable NASA to control the movements of a robot as far away as the Moon or Mars - none of which is possible without a receiver to decode the information that’s being transmitted. Without the receiver, the data would remain impotent. In a very similar way, we need to have our own ‘receiver’ switched on so that we can activate a clear and precise understanding of our own life, all other life and what everything else in existence is. Chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo each day helps us to achieve this because it allows us to reach the core of our enlightenment and keep it switched on. That’s because Myoho-Renge-Kyo represents the identity of what scientists now refer to as the unified field of consciousnesses. To break it down - Myoho represents the Law of manifestation and latency (Nature) and consists of two alternating states. For example, the state of Myo is where everything in life that’s not obvious to us exists - including our stored memories when we’re not thinking about them - our hidden potential and inner emotions whenever they’re dormant - our desires, our fears, our wisdom, happiness, karma - and more importantly, our enlightenment. The other state, ho, is where everything in Life exists whenever it becomes evident to us, such as when a thought pops up from within our memory - whenever we experience or express our emotions - or whenever a good or bad cause manifests as an effect from our karma. When anything becomes apparent, it merely means that it’s come out of the state of Myo (dormancy/latency) and into a state of ho (manifestation). It’s the difference between consciousness and unconsciousness, being awake or asleep, or knowing and not knowing. The second law - Renge - Ren meaning cause and ge meaning effect, governs and controls the functions of Myoho - these two laws of Myoho and Renge, not only function together simultaneously but also underlies all spiritual and physical existence. The final and third part of the tri-combination - Kyo, is the Law that allows Myoho to integrate with Renge - or vice versa. It’s the great, invisible thread of energy that fuses and connects all Life and matter - as well as the past, present and future. It’s also sometimes termed the Universal Law of Communication - perhaps it could even be compared with the string theory that many scientists now suspect exists. Just as the cells in our body, our thoughts, feelings and everything else is continually fluctuating within us - all that exists in the world around us and beyond is also in a constant state of flux - constantly controlled by these three fundamental laws. In fact, more things are going back and forth between the two states of Myo and ho in a single moment than it would ever be possible to calculate or describe. And it doesn’t matter how big or small, famous or trivial anything or anyone may appear to be, everything that’s ever existed in the past, exists now or will exist in the future, exists only because of the workings of the Laws ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’ - the basis of the four fundamental forces, and if they didn’t function, neither we nor anything else could go on existing. That’s because all forms of existence, including the seasons, day, night, birth, death and so on, are moving forward in an ongoing flow of continuation - rhythmically reverting back and forth between the two fundamental states of Myo and ho in absolute accordance with Renge - and by way of Kyo. Even stars are dying and being reborn under the workings of what the combination ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’ represents. Nam, or Namu - which mean the same thing, are vibrational passwords or keys that allow us to reach deep into our life and fuse with or become one with ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’. On a more personal level, nothing ever happens by chance or coincidence, it’s the causes that we’ve made in our past, or are presently making, that determine how these laws function uniquely in each of our lives - as well as the environment from moment to moment. By facing east, in harmony with the direction that the Earth is spinning, and chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo for a minimum of, let’s say, ten minutes daily to start with, any of us can experience actual proof of its positive effects in our lives - even if it only makes us feel good on the inside, there will be a definite positive effect. That’s because we’re able to pierce through the thickest layers of our karma and activate our inherent Buddha Nature (our enlightened state). By so doing, we’re then able to bring forth the wisdom and good fortune that we need to challenge, overcome and change our adverse circumstances - turn them into positive ones - or manifest and gain even greater fulfilment in our daily lives from our accumulated good karma. This also allows us to bring forth the wisdom that can free us from the ignorance and stupidity that’s preventing us from accepting and being proud of the person that we indeed are - regardless of our race, colour, gender or sexuality. We’re also able to see and understand our circumstances and the environment far more clearly, as well as attract and connect with any needed external beneficial forces and situations. As I’ve already mentioned, everything is subject to the law of Cause and Effect - the ‘actual-proof-strength’ resulting from chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo always depends on our determination, sincerity and dedication. For example, the levels of difference could be compared to making a sound on a piano, creating a melody, producing a great song, and so on. Something else that’s very important to always respect and acknowledge is that the Law (or if you prefer God) is in everyone and everything. NB: There are frightening and disturbing sounds, and there are tranquil and relaxing sounds. It’s the emotional result of any noise or sound that can trigger off a mood or even instantly change one. When chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo each day, we are producing a sound vibration that’s the password to our true inner-self - this soon becomes apparent when you start reassessing your views on various things - such as your fears and desires etc. The best way to get the desired result when chanting is not to view things conventionally - rather than reaching out to an external source, we need to reach into our own lives and bring our needs and desires to fruition from within - including the good fortune and strength to achieve any help that we may need. Chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo also reaches out externally and draws us towards, or draws towards us, what we need to make us happy from our environment. For example, it helps us to be in the right place at the right time - to make better choices and decisions and so forth. We need to think of it as a seed within us that we’re watering and bringing sunshine to for it to grow, blossom and bring forth fruit or flowers. It’s also important to understand that everything we need in life, including the answer to every question and the potential to achieve every dream, already exists within us.

  • @thedude9620
    @thedude96202 жыл бұрын

    GOD is HOPE.

  • @ismailcihanpeker8119

    @ismailcihanpeker8119

    2 жыл бұрын

    kzread.info/dash/bejne/iqGHm5achqSyZqw.html Searching the God very close

  • @cvsree
    @cvsree3 жыл бұрын

    What if God was one of us, just a Genius on the Bus 🤔

  • @nickolasgaspar9660

    @nickolasgaspar9660

    3 жыл бұрын

    No . It's my neighbor. When he has sex with his wife, she calls him god....

  • @LeviBulger

    @LeviBulger

    3 жыл бұрын

    What if Dog was one of us?

  • @michaellangan4450

    @michaellangan4450

    3 жыл бұрын

    Those would be nice lyrics for a song.

  • @cvsree
    @cvsree3 жыл бұрын

    God is not just creator but, also creation God lives in the heart of every living thing There is nothing other than God If I think there is anything other than God, that reflects on inability of my mind to perceive the oneness of everything

  • @KeithCooper-Albuquerque

    @KeithCooper-Albuquerque

    3 жыл бұрын

    God is not living in the heart of every living thing, that is plaque.

  • @Carlos-fl6ch

    @Carlos-fl6ch

    3 жыл бұрын

    Proof it

  • @waldwassermann

    @waldwassermann

    11 ай бұрын

    Yes. You understand. Bless you.

  • @waldwassermann

    @waldwassermann

    11 ай бұрын

    @@KeithCooper-Albuquerque You are it Keith. We are it. Illusion of separation was engineered from the start. The reason? Love my brother.

  • @pro-touch7055
    @pro-touch70552 жыл бұрын

    One Lord, one faith and one baptism.

  • @micheal74rich

    @micheal74rich

    2 жыл бұрын

    @Pro-Touch The God who created this infinite universe did not subject mercy and salvation upon crime against humanity in the killing blameless man of God i.e. Jesus(pbuh). Jesus was saved from humiliation, torture, nakedness on the cross and near death ordeal, which Christians don't like it.

  • @eltoneagle8136
    @eltoneagle8136 Жыл бұрын

    We will always be close to the truth but never know " The Truth "

  • @margrietoregan828
    @margrietoregan8283 жыл бұрын

    The ‘creator’ - along with its reasons for creating whatever it creates (how, where, when & with what materials, etc) - is another thing. There simply is absolutely no information on these issues, so avoid all hubris & just admit WE DON’T KNOW !!!!

  • @jayrodriguez84

    @jayrodriguez84

    3 жыл бұрын

    The information is in the bible

  • @peaceonearth351

    @peaceonearth351

    3 жыл бұрын

    I hope to God a part of me lives forever.

  • @BlackGambit

    @BlackGambit

    3 жыл бұрын

    🤦🏾‍♂️ he created it with his WORD! He spoke and it was done! He creates the universe for his glory and the earth to be a habitation for his creatures!..all this is in the bible!!

  • @fredriksundberg4624

    @fredriksundberg4624

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@jayrodriguez84 : The Information is in the Vedic Scriptures.

  • @carlwebstern5065

    @carlwebstern5065

    3 жыл бұрын

    Came across this website - www.doesgodexistandbeyond.com/evidenceoftheresurrection/ investigates Christianity with Reason and Logical Evaluation. And explains Proven Biblical Manuscript History ( Historiography ) - www.doesgodexistandbeyond.com/manuscriptevidenceofthebiblepages/ Also answers skeptic accusations Examining Primary Evidences and Sources. Worth a read.

  • @TomAnderson_81
    @TomAnderson_813 жыл бұрын

    Why doesn’t god speak for himself? Could it be that believers are wrong?

  • @prime_time_youtube

    @prime_time_youtube

    3 жыл бұрын

    BRAVOO!!!!! You destroyed theism, you are the most intelligent being ever

  • @joetech12

    @joetech12

    3 жыл бұрын

    What makes you think he hasn't? Could it be you wouldn't listen if he did?

  • @joetech12

    @joetech12

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@TheWorldTeacher Still spouting your moronic nonsense? Don't you have anything better to do?

  • @nickrindal2787

    @nickrindal2787

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hi there.. I'm a god.

  • @mysticwine

    @mysticwine

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@TheWorldTeacher Those who do not know what they are talking about write long, long, worthless gobbledegook.

  • @simonhibbs887
    @simonhibbs8873 жыл бұрын

    The problem with all these ideas about god is that they are just what happens to appeal to that person. They are what that individual thinks makes sense at that time, and they’re all different, and in many cases mutually contradictory. They are very clearly just what that person dreamed up, or came across and latched on to. Hick gets closest by assuming an ultimate divinity behind all these different religious viewpoints, but makes a fundamental error. He says that atheists don’t consider personal religious experience. That’s flat out not true, and as a professional theologian he must know that. Atheists simply think that religious experience is a neurological process. That’s all there is to it. Take that away and there’s just nothing left in theology that needs explanation. As Kuhn says in another video, and I paraphrase, all these different ideas about god, with no way to choose between them other than personal preference, is exactly what you’d expect if they were all made up.

  • @sujitdushing8425
    @sujitdushing84252 жыл бұрын

    It's so relevent , we can go closer to truth but we can not get to know it in exact fashion.

  • @njm3211
    @njm32113 жыл бұрын

    I'm baffled by humans' need for "god". There are more productive pursuits which can help our fellow creatures on earth, humans and non.

  • @mohammedjafferali693

    @mohammedjafferali693

    3 жыл бұрын

    All humans seek a higher power, the supernatural. Atheists have even come up with a joke called spiritual atheism, they crave for a connection with the immaterial. The human nature testifies against materialism and the phrase survival of the fittest.

  • @nickolasgaspar9660

    @nickolasgaspar9660

    3 жыл бұрын

    @effinghamhick "you know, intuitively that God exists"??? What an oxymoron. We know that intuition is far far less credible than knowledge. Nobel Laureate Daniel Kahneman made that clear by his awarded work on heuristics.(with Amos Tversky)

  • @nickolasgaspar9660

    @nickolasgaspar9660

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@mohammedjafferali693 Secular spirituality has nothing to do with the search of a higher power(whatever that means). As Sean Carroll says, Poetic Naturalism is nothing more than our ability to experience feelings without the need to believe in magic.

  • @waldwassermann

    @waldwassermann

    11 ай бұрын

    @@mohammedjafferali693 Bless you my brother.

  • @waldwassermann

    @waldwassermann

    11 ай бұрын

    It is difficult to accept that all this is Self isn't it? That's why...

  • @jackwt7340
    @jackwt73403 жыл бұрын

    Before the Big Bang,God used to live in a nut. He felt stressed,then he created the universe. Now everything comes from a nut -- human cat fish chiken trees .

  • @anjonndasgupta8143
    @anjonndasgupta8143 Жыл бұрын

    What is real? What is the Truth? Is everything comprehensible to the human mind? Is mind the human? What are we? Are we the body mind complex or the intellect or greater than that? We need to ask ourselves these questions to undertake the journey to find God or whatever name you may give to address that all pervasive being. From Being to Becoming is the journey of Life. That transcendental evolution will help to rediscover the Truth. We are actually spiritual beings in a human journey to realize that Truth.

  • @waldwassermann
    @waldwassermann11 ай бұрын

    I would say God is in constant motion for constant companionship. Hope this is an acceptable answer.

  • @davidknapp5224
    @davidknapp52243 жыл бұрын

    "This is my body, eat it with marinara sauce." The gospel of The Flying Spaghetti Monster.

  • @albertjackson9236
    @albertjackson92363 жыл бұрын

    God is an imaginary thing created in the mind of humans. Man has created many gods all over the world since day 1. Man has also created big foot and flying saucers controlled by little green men. There is no limit the man's imagination.

  • @lomaschueco

    @lomaschueco

    3 жыл бұрын

    Even you were created by man. Go figure.

  • @waldwassermann

    @waldwassermann

    11 ай бұрын

    Perhaps we are even imagining that we are separate so not to be alone....

  • @akulczyk86
    @akulczyk862 жыл бұрын

    Really surprised this channel doesn't have more subs

  • @davidtyler3116
    @davidtyler31163 жыл бұрын

    Great thoughts, we should consider deeply. Thank you again Robert.

  • @David-xt9uf
    @David-xt9uf3 жыл бұрын

    The more I listen to these guys the less they make any sort of sense!

  • @dogwithwigwamz.7320

    @dogwithwigwamz.7320

    3 жыл бұрын

    Which of the guys make no sense to you ?

  • @keithdunham8139

    @keithdunham8139

    3 жыл бұрын

    The sciencetise turned priest is the moron who can't remember his training in science , That's the stupidest one

  • @David-xt9uf

    @David-xt9uf

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@dogwithwigwamz.7320 These "philosophers" of religion and theologians!

  • @David-xt9uf

    @David-xt9uf

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@keithdunham8139 and that orthodox priest who says we should ask "who is God?" I guess he hasn't updated his windows in the last 500 years!

  • @NickOtis0707
    @NickOtis07072 жыл бұрын

    God is all knowing he knows the future. He's not affected by time space for matter

  • @ratsukutsi
    @ratsukutsi3 жыл бұрын

    Such a trivial question

  • @arthurwieczorek4894
    @arthurwieczorek48943 жыл бұрын

    Reality cannot be self-contradictory. On the other hand, reality is understood in terms of emergent layers of abstraction. The same statement or word used at different levels can have a different meaning and sound, on the face of it, contradictory. That is why it is important to have an awareness of levels of abstraction. "A finite number of words must be used to represent an infinite number of things and possibilities." Lee

  • @paultaylor7947
    @paultaylor7947 Жыл бұрын

    Nature is always superior to man made creations , human nature and love ❤️

  • @1stPrinciples455
    @1stPrinciples455 Жыл бұрын

    As long as wars continue to come, Humans will continue to Believe. Wars are based on a certain conviction, a certain belief

  • @winstonchang777
    @winstonchang7772 жыл бұрын

    Some people are lucky; they overcame life's time passage and came to know the God is. No doubt. Some are so unfortunate that they cannot even begin to think of such a question.

  • @flolou8496
    @flolou84962 ай бұрын

    It is only natural and logical for God to explain himself in nature and primarily in written form, (we can't with our limited mortal minds expect to ''know God'' on our own) If God had even only 1% part in the creation of the known universe, than God is so powerful and mysterious, it would be his responsibility to reveal himself to us and make that first introduction: So the real question in a way is, how can we prove that Christianity has the best supernatural understanding of God's nature? Is there a way to see the supernatural fingerprints of God's nature in the creation and maintenance of the bible for example ?

  • @johnbrzykcy3076
    @johnbrzykcy30763 жыл бұрын

    "the God, no God question is so central to human life." In my opinion, I don't think most people ponder God's existence. So even though this question is very important to Robert, I don't see the centrality of God's existence to be a fixation for the vast majority of people today.

  • @BlackGambit

    @BlackGambit

    3 жыл бұрын

    I differ, I'm certain people ponder his existence..as much as they wonder where we came from!!

  • @arthurwieczorek4894

    @arthurwieczorek4894

    2 жыл бұрын

    As an atheist the issue of God is a frequent subject of my thoughts. How do people think of God, what is they're use of language, their unspoken assumptions. What are they getting out of it?

  • @JoeValva
    @JoeValva Жыл бұрын

    God is a concept By which we measure Our pain I'll say it again God is a concept By which we measure Our pain by John Lennon

  • @REDPUMPERNICKEL

    @REDPUMPERNICKEL

    Жыл бұрын

    God is a concept, certainly By which we measure Our pain, poetic and stimulative of one's imagination but the concept is the focus of social control systems that have become obsolete with the rise of democracy.

  • @kuroryudairyu4567
    @kuroryudairyu45672 жыл бұрын

    Timothy O'Connor so has all the answers anybody and every scientist has ever searched for.........well, good to know that

  • @davidumeda5516
    @davidumeda55163 жыл бұрын

    Even by materialist standards, it is not logical that a created one could comprehend its creator or that something at a lower level of existence could fully comprehend one at a higher level. However a person conceptualizes God, that is a product of the human mind. “For God, in His Essence, is sanctified above all ascent and descent, egress and regress; He hath through all eternity been exalted beyond the attributes of His creation, and will remain ever so.” Baha’u’llah. My experience tells me that intellectual arguments are no substitute for a prolonged enquiry into the nature of our own being. Look inward, not outward.