Lesson to learn - if you have one pawn ready to become a queen, don’t wait for 2 more.

@triangle200

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Fr

@HarleyMaebry

Жыл бұрын

Except in situations where getting the queen isn’t possible or would be a bad move for whatever reason. Chess is a crazy game.

@pork43

Жыл бұрын

@@HarleyMaebry yeah but usually u only need 2 3 is very unlikely

@pinkigamer3534

Жыл бұрын

Me: pushing the side pawns Me: getting a queen 😎 Me: getting checkmated right after

@mofeiyang4587

Жыл бұрын

uhhh

That basically combines every weird rule in chess into one puzzle, ie - double pawn first move - En passant - Castling - Promotion and under promotion

@rosiefay7283

Жыл бұрын

Well spotted. The combo of en passant capture, castling and underpromotion is known as the Valladao theme.

@sgtnubbings6501

Жыл бұрын

Castling with check, no less.

@karyoplasma

Жыл бұрын

Frankly, castling wasn't even on my mind. Maybe because it's so late in the game and I assume that both sides somehow lost their castling rights that far in lol

@drewharrison6433

Жыл бұрын

From what we see here, how is anyone supposed to just know that castling is possible? How do we know that the king and rook haven't moved?

@fangzhang9376

Жыл бұрын

@@drewharrison6433 It's actually a chess puzzle convention to assume that castling is possible by default, unless it can be proven that it's impossible. Makes things more interesting this way.

The real puzzle is how the king and the other rook didn't move while three pawns made their way into the second rank

@ButcherParry

Жыл бұрын

Sanest chess puzzle setup:

@ravirajmayapur

4 ай бұрын

Lol

@sandal_thong8631

3 ай бұрын

I was just thinking that! I guess puzzles are made-up and never part of a real game.

I love the thing that the bishop at c8 is just chilling and watching his king and pawns fight for the king's life

These puzzles where you have to randomly castle are really wierd. How could I have known, this was still an option?

@meron7700

Жыл бұрын

In puzzles you always have to assume you can castle. If it is not allowed, it will be specified.

@user-uw9kr7ph1j

Жыл бұрын

According to the rules of chess composition, if both the king and the rook are on the starting squares, castling is possible unless it can be proven that the position could not arise from the normal starting position without king and/or rooks moving.

@dimitriskontoleon6787

Жыл бұрын

General speaking if King and Rock was on starting possision on puzzle O-O or O-O-O was playable

@HarleyMaebry

Жыл бұрын

Same goes for en passant; if the configuration is correct with no other information, assume it’s possible.

@FlourescentPotato

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, this type of puzzle is to make people feel smart, more than to learn anything. as soon as i saw underpromotion i rolled my eyes.

"Imma castle with no pawns on the 2nd rank, in the end game, on move 30-something." Utter madness lol.

The castle move is hard to spot because it is not even clear that casteling is still alowed, in a position this late in the game the king or rook most probably moved at some point (and end up at starting squares) making casteling ileagal.

@nomms

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In Chess puzzles it's always allowed if the king and the castle are on their starting squares.

@paul_warner

Жыл бұрын

This is a puzzle, not a position in the middle of a game

@JMZReview

Жыл бұрын

@@nomms that's not true?

@pyology9280

Жыл бұрын

ileagal

@nomms

Жыл бұрын

@@JMZReview That is the case, unless specified in the puzzle.

Actually this puzzle shows the so-called "Valladao-Task": an en-passant capture, castling and pawn promotions in the same chess puzzle :)

@nevermind994

Жыл бұрын

please help me reach out to nelson by liking my comment you will find it, because at 5:20, its a draw, you can run it on stockfish, i just randomly saw it, and put it in stockfish, and i want nelson to know so please help

@bdogpimpsause

Жыл бұрын

@@nevermind994 who cares if that position is a draw?? White has a winning position, it doesn’t matter if there is a draw somewhere else

@DestructionPOV_

Жыл бұрын

@@bdogpimpsause bro its a month old comment why reply?

@theworldexplained8253

Жыл бұрын

@@bdogpimpsause Stockfish is infamous for ruining chess puzzles.

A Google search says that this problem was composed by Yochanan Afek in 2011. I don't think that KZread will allow me to post a link, but try searching for the ARVES chess endgames study association.

Great find! This is the so-called Valladão Task, a problem showing promotion, en passant capture and castling. The underpromotion to a knight is a bonus. Btw., I have not found this problem in the known problem databases. Probably someone else will have more luck.

Love these types of videos!

Great composition! It has all of the little tricks that make a puzzle interesting.

Thank you for the amazing video!

Your lessons are the best on KZread.

The purpose of the bishop on c8 is to prevent quicker checkmates that include Rf5

Ah. Hidden castling. I hate those, since you can‘t know if the move is legal.

Chess Vibes uploading chess puzzle videos speaks for itself.

En passant, castling, and underpromotion! Love it!

Study by Yochanan Afek from 2011 (a famous israelien chess study composer and also IM as a chess player). He received 3rd commendation for this Valladao theme study (but in his carreer he often got first prizes in many tournaments).

Just to clarify: it's a convention in chess problems that castling is valid unless you can prove it isn't. The convention is made that way round, because, otherwise, problems wouldn't be able to involve castling, because you can't *prove* that castling is valid. In some problems it looks as if black may castle, but something about the position means you can prove that black has lost the right to castle, so white may do something which works, but would fail against castling.

I knew that as soon as I saw the white king and rook's position in the thumbnail, that there was going to be a hidden castling move here

The castle was the first thing I spotted, it would've been my first move if I were working through this puzzle myself

Pretty good puzzle, like that it uses enpassant, which I have never been able to use in an actual game XD

Superb puzzle as usual 🎉

Nelson really found a good study

Thought I was clever for seeing the pawn to g4 forcing en passant but I missed the castle check and never would have gotten the rest of the puzzle lol. Great but very complex

Hard to plan a move if castling is unknown to be available this late in a game.

@thatonerandomstick3664

Жыл бұрын

In puzzles if king and rook are on starting squares it’s always available unless specified

I started with 0-0 as the 1st move, and I still do not see why it does not win. White threatens mate in 3 (g4+, Rh7+, Bg5X), and it seems that after 1....Kg6 2.g4 we are back to the propsded solution (B:g4 does not help). So the interesting defense is 1....f3 2. R:f3+ Kg6 3. Rg3+ Kf5 (3.... Kg6 4. Bg5+ and mates) 4. Rg5+! Kf4 (4....K:f6 5.R5-g7+ Kf5 6. g4+ Kf4 7. Rg-f7+ Bf5 8.R:f5X) 5.f7! letting black to promote 2 queens, but it looks like they can't help, like 5.... c1-Q+ 6.Kh2 b1-Q 7. g3+ Kf3 8. f8-Q+ Bf5 9: R:f5+ with mate, or 5....b1-Q+ 6.Kh2 Qg1+ 7.K:g1a1-Q+ 8.Kh2 Qh8 9.Rg8 and wins. So it looks like the solution is not really unique. Or did I miss something?

@nevermind994

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please help me reach out to nelson by liking my comment you will find it, because at 5:20, its a draw, you can run it on stockfish, i just randomly saw it, and put it in stockfish, and i want nelson to know so please help btw thanks for recap

@mr.mystery6429

Жыл бұрын

@@nevermind994 its a draw because white had misplayed, nelson shows that the bishop check is needed.

@mr.mystery6429

Жыл бұрын

Castling first would lose to Be6 and the king would run to e5 and escape.

At 8:11 the checkmate could still be delayed If the black king move to Kh4 the white queen can try to move Qh6 for check Black queen can blocked Qh5 but the bishop for white will checkmated at Bf5#

@tykemorris

6 ай бұрын

Wouldn't that be white to Qg4 checkmate?

You didn’t forget the “en passant” rule. Pawn to G4. F4 takes G4 by moving to G3. I was very surprised when I learned that rule.

@Soulessnight4

Жыл бұрын

Problem though, unless it’s literally the only move you can make en passant is an illegal move to get out of check

@hyzercreek

Жыл бұрын

@@Soulessnight4 False, you can make an en passant to get out of check

This 76 year old remembers my favorite puzzle where both kings were almost totally locked into their respective back two ranks and the drawing side had to “ match” squares with the side trying to win…. I loved that long lost puzzle.

en passant is the most obscure move in chess, yet it makes this puzzle so much harder...

In this puzzle, It is very good exam that king safety is the most important. Despite has three extra pawn nearly promote, black lose. Fascinating!

Move the white peon two spaces up, you check the king, so has to move from f5 to g6, move tower in front of king g7, only place left to move for the king is h6. Peon that moved two spaces finished the deal

Since it initially looked impossible, I realized that there had to be a castling move to gain tempo while protecting the king. :-)

@DanielRocha-rn6ii

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He didn't mention that the king could castle, that information is crucial and he left it out.

@SG2048-meta

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@@DanielRocha-rn6ii in chess puzzles it is always assumed you can castle unless you obviously can’t or it is specified that you can’t castle

@TerjeMathisen

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@@DanielRocha-rn6ii I agree 100%, it was just by a process of elimination I decided that it would be impossible without castling.

@BigDBrian

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@@DanielRocha-rn6ii He also didn't mention that it wasn't possible. If it were said, it'd give away a crucial move and spoil part of the puzzle.

The Greatest Forgotten Chess Puzzle speaks for itself

What's the problem with castling first and then playing g4?

As @TeaInTheMorning4929 pointed out earlier, it is not clear that castling is possible. I have seen puzzles where the king and a rook were on their starting squares with solutions which hinged on proving the fact that castling was not possible. Accordingly, does it not make sense to provide a proof game for the given position to show that this position (with castling allowed) is feasible?

Tip for doing puzzles: A check is usually the answer

End game teaching excellent

Man that was insane and interesting

Black's bishop: 🍿

The black bishop could take that pawn, then in line of sight to take out the rook, so the rook would have to move, unless you want to sacrifice your rook, or try to keep black's king in check.

@matperry18

Жыл бұрын

I saw that as well, I don’t understand how he stops the video in that position, game’s not over at all.

@dany-marchocke9036

10 ай бұрын

Mate in two

Pretty sure I found the solution from the picture Push pawn, opponent queens , you move king, opponent takes rook, you queen mate, but they will probably defend the promotion with the queen

At 6:21 I’d like to explore the black pawn moving to G1 and becoming queen instead of taking the bishop. I’m sure it’s clear but my mind can’t work that far ahead.

@dotwiroh4234

Жыл бұрын

g1?

@dotwiroh4234

Жыл бұрын

if you meant b1 then white pawn just promotes to queen and black cant do anything to stop white next move, laddermate

@Crimsonfireball

Жыл бұрын

@@dotwiroh4234 There is another move it's called queen to b6.

@dotwiroh4234

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@@Crimsonfireball huh? comment above wanted pawn b1, promote to queen so white just goes f8 to promote their own queen and u want qb6 so white just go qh8 check? how does that help?

@Crimsonfireball

Жыл бұрын

@@dotwiroh4234 qb6 is check to white king so the white queen can't check on h8. Or am I missing something here?

I feel like the castling was a bit of a cheat, as it seems unlikely that castling would still be possible this late in a game.

Anyone else thinking that there is no way that king and rook hasnt move this whole game to even think that castling was an option

I finally got one of these puzzles right!!!

This puzzle goes crazy. Good explanation though!

OMG THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I SAW EVERY BEST MOVE ON A TRICK PUZZLE ON THIS CHANNEL * _ *

I knew it should become a knight at first glance!

Underpromoting to a knight is subtle - and brilliant!

I like this dude because he every possible move

The purple is wrong 6:20 we can just promote the pawn by pushing it

1:32 my guess is which should castle to get the rook in like to attack any potential queens. 1:36 en passant... don't need to move the king. Moving the king is a blunder here

g4+ was the pretty obvious 1st move (only move, w/o much thinking actually.) 0-0 was a bit tricky, as we didn't know if it was still an option at such a late point in the game. Once 0-0 was allowed, rest was also pretty obvious, as all moves are more or less forced.

@samuelandry4348

Жыл бұрын

I first thought about 0-0 as 1st move and afterwards g4+. It works well if black goes directly for a queen, so the only defence against it might be f3.

i saw mate in 3 and thought you lost your edge, then on croissant

Yeah, I've seen parts of it, like first three moves I did it just by looking at the picture, then I got confused somewhat.

I swear I've seen this one too but couldn't tell you where sadly

@hebercluff1665

Жыл бұрын

You're part of the reason this is a forgotten puzzle........

Gonna remember this when i get to this position

I too completely missed the castle. It might help if you saw the game from the beginning, but OTOH you might get distracted by other possible moves.

I actually thought about Qc1 usntead of Bc1 to trade and maybe bishop & rook vs bishop is winning since they're on opposite squares? I guess not though

What I don't like about the castling situation in a puzzle is you're assuming up to that point in the game the king hasn't been in check already, either of those 2 pieces has moved or castled already. It's a late game situation, so chances are one of those 3 situations probably has happened.

Wow there are so many rules I didn't even know about

NGL this is the first time I've seen An pasant in action. I've only just heard of it

Always an unfair puzzle when you have to assume that castle is an option

Very nice puzzle.

2:14 so unless it’s the only move you have you can’t en passant out of check.

@bdogpimpsause

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Wtf are you talking about

@Soulessnight4

Жыл бұрын

@@bdogpimpsause sorry, I misunderstood the google search

@Vextrove

Жыл бұрын

En passant is forced

I saw correctly until castles part which seemed funny at such an endgame scenario

Did not see this one. Got distracted by the pawns and tried to figure out how to stop them...Lol

Love the cadtling idea but its hard to know if it isnt stated that the king has never moved

There is a much easier solution, Rock to f5 while bishop is in g5 and king in h5 is the key, you don't need to castle in that position.

7:24 , black moves queen to F2, forcing the trade and ultimately wins? Edit: It leads to situation where you have to choose between eating bishop or a pawn with the king, if you eat bishop you will lose and if you eat pawn it leads to draw.

@vdun

Жыл бұрын

How will black ultimately win? If qf2, white queen takes on f2, pawn takes, king takes and now black has 1 bishop and 1 pawn versus white’s bishop, pawn and rook

@wexdust

Жыл бұрын

@@vdun Yes well that is the thing, after king takes black rook will take the pawn, this leads to draw!

@vdun

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@@wexdust How will it lead to a draw? White is up a full rook

@wexdust

Жыл бұрын

@@vdun I wrote that wrong l wanted to say that black bishop will take the pawn if you take black pawn with the king. However l find the move with the rook, it releases black king unfortunately but it lets you eat black 'would be' queen. This leads to semi king and pawn end game except white pawn cannot promote, it's tricky to get the win but at the end that pawn you made sure survives pins black king and you sacrifice the rook in order to do checkmate.

@mehxd1645

Жыл бұрын

I'm a bit confused since you said if black queen goes to F2 it would ultimately force a trade but white would still win since its up a rook and when does taking bishop or the pawn come up from?

hmm, there seems to be an out for black throught promoting pawn C1 into knight and check on the king

if you played bg6 at 5:20 black would be forced to take the bishop with the queen and afterwards rxg5 if you make a queen it doesnt help because i will play f8=q+ and i think that is loosing for black. and if bg6 qxg6 rxg6 and kxg6 i think h4+ and maybe h4 is not needed because we can promote to a queen ultimately drawing the position

@nevermind994

Жыл бұрын

i actually now ran it on stockfish and its a draw

@mr.mystery6429

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that is why he needed to play bg5+ before and win

Black and play a draw position at 7:24mins in. Queen to f2. it forces a trade of queens. the line goes white queen f2, pawn f2, king f2, bishop f3.

@mr.mystery6429

Жыл бұрын

Neither bishop can go to f3

@mr.mystery6429

Жыл бұрын

Even after check, then the queen is hanging without the pawn.

If castling is available in what's approaching an endgame, it should be stated up front.

The king side castle is dirty. Because, we don't know if it's still available.

Black be like: Let promote! PLS LET ME WIN!

That's rather cheesy since it's hard to imagine the king has never moved with that kind of carnage on the board.

But hey, you could make another queen on c1 and maintain the New queen under defensive due to the queen on a3, putting almost in check to the king besides the white queen, now than she can't move to another place, would be a trade of queens leaving the white without queen while the black still have one.

7:24 has Qc2 forcing queen trade...but still winnable with bishop and rook....

i knew you would castle

Yea, thought about this for like 15 minutes and never considered castling was still legal

6:11 (pause and think) A2 Pawn promotes to queen. if you promote your g7 pawn to queen or anything else then black can win because you cant put him in check without saving your king, he can move his queen to a7 delivering a check and if you block with your rook to F2 he can eat the rook with the queen and checkmate you, if you move your king to h1 its checkmate with the bishop to B7 (black wins by checkmate) also if white blocks then queen check with his bishop to E3 then black can simply take the bishop and still checkmate white

@Small_Schlonng_9000

11 ай бұрын

If bishop to b7 then white can take the pawn

@Small_Schlonng_9000

11 ай бұрын

And he talked about it

Thing is, if I was white in that position, I would’ve already assumed that I couldn’t castle.

6:12 if you look carefully there's that black bishop that can take down the white pawn then threatening the white rook forcing it to move it's position where it's unguarded by the queen. Then black pawn to a1 forcing the rook to take it down and black getting another queen using the b2 black pawn to take down the rook and getting promoted then forking the rook and check matting the white king without yet getting the pawn promoted to a queen forcing the king to move then black queen taking down the rook and threatening the pawn from promoting

@squidja2271

Жыл бұрын

And white ultimately lose to game

@tykemorris

6 ай бұрын

He didn't talk about that option but I think I would go ahead and queen my pawn anyway and risk losing my rook. If Bishop takes the pawn, then white Pf8 becomes a queen. Then black Bf1 captures the hanging rook but black is always in check after that and never promotes a pawn. White Qf7 check. Black Kg4. White Bc1 discovered check. If Black Kh3 then White Qh5 checkmate. If Black Kh4 then White Qf4 check, forcing black Kh3 then White Qg4 checkmate. Black did not have 2 moves to spend just getting a rook that wasn't needed for checkmate anyway.

This is like the opposite of don’t put all ur eggs in one basket, spreading them too far out is too hard to defend and is an inconvenience, if black pushed one of the pawns less he would have gotten another queen already and may have won the game

7:27 I think Rxb7 is better as if Qxb7 will be repealed by Qf3 +

i didn't know castling was an option.

Great ending!

How do you know castling is allowed?

You can move 2 to the white paida Or soldier

5:10 another reason why we don't go f7 is because we get Kxg7 as an in-between move before promoting on the first rank.

@mr.mystery6429

Жыл бұрын

Well then the promotion to queen comes with check

@mr.mystery6429

Жыл бұрын

Then its just mate

it can be the a nother #

Woooo I got all the moves except the castle one tho I did say move the rook to that spot

Thanks!

@ChessVibesOfficial

Жыл бұрын

Thanks, person!

@person-ol5uf

Жыл бұрын

@@ChessVibesOfficial wait I'm actually so confused I don't have any memory of writing this comment like I remember looking at this vid in the gym then putting my phone in my pocket but I don't think I ever wrote thanks

Wasnt aware the king hasnt move to allow castling.

I saw it all how to mate him, but only thing i didnt see was the castling xD honestly in that position i thought king cant castle anymore xD i mean, there are three pawns already becoming queen and White king / rook didnt moved the whole time? Didnt see that coming xD

You save the fen? Is that the position on the board?