Joseph George Sutherland, 61, has been charged with first-degree murder in the killings of Susan Tice and Erin Gilmour in 1983, with police saying advances in DNA technology helped them find him. Watch our documentary, "Cold Case Ghost," here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/gpd3uNd6qsKvirw.html

This made me tear up when her brother first started talking... As a little boy his sister would of been a super hero to him.. shame

It sad when you see cold cases that are unsolved for so long, that's a family denied justice for years and who's had to live with the knowledge that the killer is out there still. I can't imagine the pain they go through and my heart always goes out to them.

@sambotros1918

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Hoping part 2 is out soon with the suspect arrested. Glad the cold case units exist. Sorry to the families of the deceased.

@sambotros1918

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@itsiranaa

Жыл бұрын

An arrest has just been made!

@NanaPiper

Жыл бұрын

@@itsiranaa amazing!!

Glad the 5th Estate allows comments. It's half the fun! 🤓

@randomvintagefilm273

3 жыл бұрын

They didn't use to so I'm glad too

Compelling and heartbreaking. So close to finding this guy.

@sambotros1918

Жыл бұрын

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@meichong8278

Жыл бұрын

He has been found now ....... a 61 year old arrested & charged , there is a new comment pinned here in this comment section with details and a link to a video .

So terrible... Just watching the brother makes me cry..

@jonmo111

3 жыл бұрын

i lost my 17 yr old son, racist police did not care to charge the only other person(enraged violent girlfriend) that was there in the room. i can relate

so thankful they are FINALLY using this technology in Canada. This will solve a lot of unsolved cases. The what ifs of this family and her friends are heartbreaking. Just heartbreaking.

@sambotros1918

Жыл бұрын

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@meichong8278

Жыл бұрын

And it's working ..... a suspect has been arrested and charged & is awaiting trial .... there is a new comment pinned at the top of the comments with link to a video

@chickapey

Жыл бұрын

@@meichong8278 thank you 😊

like watching a great movie with no ending

@maryanneslater9675

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I was surprised that it ended there. And then it dawned on me -- by making it public that they're closing in on the killer, he might be spooked into turning himself in.

@GonzalezKoerber

3 жыл бұрын

Isn't that true-to-life?

@yanifree114

3 жыл бұрын

A great movie....? If you like horror and tragedy. There's nothing great when a loved one is murdered.

@beautifulboy7878

3 жыл бұрын

@@maryanneslater9675 I know what you meant by this comment. Very enthralling to hear the great lengths that so many have taken to try and solve this mystery. The end was very abrupt both in this episode and in reality. It has you just want to hear more. We all want to hear an ending that the SOB secret is no longer hidden. I hope that there is an ending like that to conclude this horrible situation the family has been in for so long🙏

@damien1781

3 жыл бұрын

@@yanifree114 horror movies are great

I think this is absolutely wonderful to see these cases being solved. KEEP up the great work guys!

@sambotros1918

Жыл бұрын

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It's Truly Amazing What DNA Can Do, I Never Thought It Would Get So Advance & Have So Many Awesome Uses For It!!

This was VERY well done! Lately I'd been noticing videos coming out from the Fifth Estate with hot-button, political topics (which have their place) but I really appreciated the simple approach to showing how investigations have benefitted from a new(er) technology. Great work guys :)

He was wondering what it would be like to still have his sister in his life: Who she would have married, her children and being able to ask her for advice. Very painful to watch.

@sambotros1918

Жыл бұрын

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So wonderful to know that unsolved cases will be solved one day!❤

@sambotros1918

Жыл бұрын

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My God the pain in the brothers voice broke my heart.Then when Erins cousin said they let her down 😭, no my dear she was very loved its very obvious from the way your face lights up talking about her and the rest of her family too. I'm sure the family did what the thought was best at the time with what was available. Praying for your family and you ❣️🙏🏻 Oh and my God was Erin beautiful 😍

I would love to be able to do genetic genealogy and solve cases!

@sambotros1918

Жыл бұрын

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I'm honestly so intrigued by genetic genealogy & how they are able to find suspects & solve crimes from cold cases. It amazes me every time. Side note, it's honestly just out of curiosity or if anyone knows. But I read the article that is linked in the description, & they pretty much just restate everything in the video, & adding a few more things that were not obviously. One of those is that some of the family & a best friend of Susan Tice speak out. I guess my question is, I wonder why they weren't part of the video? I mean, they very well may have not wanted to be on camera, that's all it could be. Or, is Fifth Estate going to do a part 2 on this? I found that to be interesting that's all. Hope these 2 beautiful women & their families get the justice they deserve. 😊

@sambotros1918

Жыл бұрын

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@meichong8278

Жыл бұрын

A 61 year old man has been arrested and charged, new comment has been pinned at top with link to new video

Solved: Joseph George Sutherland, 61, arrested in 1983 Toronto murders of Erin Gilmour and Susan Tice

@margaretr5701

Жыл бұрын

Yes! Was glad to see the police statement on The Fifth.... Delayed justice, is better than no justice.

So much heart ache for the dear brother’s who looked up to their beautiful sister. I hope the detectives are close to finding the person who did this. Our thoughts & prayers to the innocent young lady & her family.

The only honest show on CBC.

It’s actually quite incredible the advancement and work of science, history and technology all being combined to determine the make up of human genes. My guess is there’s still investigative skills being applied in order to zero in in exact person, details, etc. I think they did an amazing job creating this publication -as I appreciate this refreshing and raw human expression that portrays the reality so many families face & have to somehow live with, especially cold cases and a never ending sea of questions, pain of senseless acts that affect them forever. Excellent work in putting this publication together, was moving and educational -expressed tenderness, genuine love and human loss and longing. Well done The Fifth Estate!

@sambotros1918

Жыл бұрын

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This is so heartbreaking. My heart goes out to the families. I hope there is an update soon!

@sambotros1918

Жыл бұрын

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This was excellent and highly emotional

Killers seem to leave doors ajar a lot

They better of looked into this for the delphi murders

@annazaman9657

3 жыл бұрын

They haven't released info about how they died. I wonder if they even have DNA

So if Erin's brother hadn't called and asked if they could use the technique they wouldn't have used it. Is this RCMP? If so, why am I not surprised.

@nonniperkl6273

3 жыл бұрын

Well, when there is just so much, sometimes you have to ask for attention

Susan Tice was my 1st Cousin once removed. I'm am happy this case has finally been solved through DNA. Thank you for never giving up and pursuing the cold case to justice.

Find em, Bookem Danno, convict em then throw away the keys

The first UK conviction was 1987 and sentenced 1988, so it was available before 1990's.

@goldylocks3904

3 жыл бұрын

And they're just about to set him free. Colin Pitchfork, will soon be out on our streets again, he doesn't deserve it!

@clownworld5474

Жыл бұрын

Takes a while for it to proliferate. Not really sure what your point is

@nkfd4688

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, in the U.K. but not in Canada

@meichong8278

Жыл бұрын

@@goldylocks3904 Yes hes out now ..... but dont worry hes promised not to do it again . An even bigger worry is theyve released the Beast of Worcester who for whatever reason has always flown under the radar ..... his crimes shook people to their core but apparently hes now safe to walk amongst children ...

Suspect been arrest!! Great work Toronto Police Service

@margaretr5701

Жыл бұрын

You saw the police update. Sad it took this long, but delayed justice is better than no justice.

Ein Hoch auf die Forensik und die Ermittler 👍

@sambotros1918

Жыл бұрын

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god bless this family

Just finished the video and now I'm like ... but ... but ... what happened next?!

@margaretr5701

Жыл бұрын

Check the latest police report on this case. (same detective, DNA update)

So what happened did they find her murderer She was beautiful absolutely radiant My heart and prayers go out to her family and all who loved her I pray to God you find this awful person who did this to so many women

I really wonder if this was released to make the killer nervous

@marys3127

3 жыл бұрын

I hope so

I hope the killer isn't watching this program or he'll be packing his bags and booking a one-way flight to Somewhereistan today...

@lindajohnsen6235

3 жыл бұрын

That was exactly what I thought, but just maybe, the detectives already know, I am stunned at times by admissions made, before final results

@marsukarhu9477

3 жыл бұрын

@@lindajohnsen6235 Yeah, They might know who it is, or then have a couple suspects lined up already.. I hope!

@AnotherWittyUsername.

3 жыл бұрын

The 5th Estate is usually really good about not airing their episodes until a suspect is in custody, so that leads me to believe that their suspect is either already in custody (perhaps on another charge?) or deceased.

@sambotros1918

Жыл бұрын

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@margaretr5701

Жыл бұрын

@@AnotherWittyUsername. No, but he is now!

Second case: the neighbour heared screams and then someone walk by, the body was discovered by the victim's brother. So this 'good ol neighbour' is telling us that she did nothing after hearing the screams?

@marys3127

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking!

The case has been solved 😢

So frustrating that we didn’t get the perp!!!

@sambotros1918

Жыл бұрын

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Would like to know more about how soon the police can solve these murders. Put aside diplomacy and go get them.

i lost my 17 yr old son, racist police did not care to charge the only other person(enraged violent girlfriend) that was there in the room. i can relate

Did I miss something? Did they catch the killer??? who was it?? is there a part 2? I'm baffled

@adrilezar876

3 жыл бұрын

I yes i was watching but no crook. Oh dear. Yes dna was gud. BUT NOW IM STILL MORE LOST. DID THEY CATCH THE SMOOK?. OMA CATH S.A. keep safe liefies to almal. 🤗😘😣

@marys3127

3 жыл бұрын

They have narrowed it down to the great grandparents of the killer. My guess? Within six months, the killer will be identified and arrested.

@sambotros1918

Жыл бұрын

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Quite a cliff hanger...

@margaretr5701

Жыл бұрын

Not anymore.

why upload this if u haven't finished the case. if the guy is still alive hes prolly left the country.

@margaretr5701

Жыл бұрын

No, he just went north.

This is something I’ve been saying and worrying about since they first started advertising selling all those DNA tests to anyone who wants them.. Knew that the government would somehow have access to the information, like an open book without any kinda need for a warrant. It’s slightly scary that any random person sitting at home that may want to know about their background could possibly open up the floodgates mistakenly. Although I can see how it could benefit some people like in this particular unfortunate case. But at the same time, if I’m just wanting some information regarding my biological history, then that’s one thing. However I’m also not trying to get anyone in my family tree caught up in something that they may or may not have done in their past either, regardless of what that something may or may not be!!!… Kinda feels like it’s a double edged sword. It’s exactly why I’ll never use those tests…

@shagitbnezra354

2 жыл бұрын

There is no:may not have done with DNA

@aporia25

Жыл бұрын

I can understand your general concerns about privacy, but I don't quite understand the with not getting someone in your family "caught up" in something like this. If someone in your family murdered people, wouldn't you want to know?

@margaretr5701

Жыл бұрын

@@aporia25 Perhaps concerned that an error might get an innocent person caught up in a crime.

How does the Bardow touch DNA tie into what the Orthram DNA testing differ?

@sambotros1918

Жыл бұрын

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What going on with your video

Anyone interested in this stuff should watch the docuseries 'I'll be gone in the dark'.

@sambotros1918

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Is it true that Canadian Police cannot collect DNA from people when they are charged and jailed? If someone related to law or the police could inform me that would be great.

Look into Patrick Sisam

Lord do something more than hunt JEANS.

@sambotros1918

Жыл бұрын

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Where people rented homes to spend quality time ; its non topical its off the subject and feels like filler. This is about DNA, I send positive energy to the family and to her. Regardless the subject is an investigation, focus on it!

I maintain my theory that it was Ricky and Julian.

I can’t deal with the fact that we don’t know what happened

Why have you turned off comments from your news section. Your state run news is out if control.

What's with the snow stuff

@sambotros1918

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They have a lot of work left to do, building the great-grandparent's line of descent down to men born in, say, no later than the 1960's. Then attempting to include or eliminate them. In the US, police can follow people around until they discard a cigarette or coffee cup, and swab the items for DNA and work up a genetic profile to compare to the suspect's DNA, without a search warrant since the items are discarded and therefore no longer the person's private property. Is that legal in Canada? They could also ask members of the family to voluntarily DNA test for them but ... they're talking about small town Canada, and asking people to possibly send a relative to prison for life for serial murder, the family could close ranks. They WILL solve this! But it is a long grind to go through building the tree, then building timelines for all of the male descendants who could be the suspect. It takes time, but it's not rocket science, and if they can DNA test members of the family (male *or* female, it wouldn't matter), they can eliminate (or include) entire branches, depending on how closely or distantly those testees match the suspect DNA, and gradually whittle down the suspect pool One suggestion is to do a Y-DNA test on the suspect DNA. Its' a longshot but it could lead to a patrilineal surname that could help.

@sambotros1918

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@margaretr5701

Жыл бұрын

There is an update. Check the latest police report on this case. 30/11/22

Is not resolving a story like this some sort of Canadian thing? Like bagged milk? Did they catch the scumbag and lock him away or not?

@dinsel9691

3 жыл бұрын

It may take a few more months or up to a year

@justiniusjustinius137

3 жыл бұрын

@@dinsel9691 Maybe that's when they should have aired the episode? So it has a conclusion at the end. Ending it on a cliffhanger is what you'd expect from a soap operas, not journalists.

@margaretr5701

Жыл бұрын

@@dinsel9691 your prediction was correct.

@dinsel9691

Жыл бұрын

@margaretr5701 wow.. thanks for the notification.. this made my day.. good news indeed

@dinsel9691

Жыл бұрын

@@justiniusjustinius137 you should be happy now 🙂

She was a "socilite" who lived in a small, utilitarian condo, or apartment, and worked a night shift? Evidently, the definition of "socialite" has undergone some drastic changes.

@jonmo111

3 жыл бұрын

very fuunny, lol

@lourdesmckay375

2 жыл бұрын

Socialites don't have to be wealthy. They usually are, but the definition was technically used correctly, given that she was a parttime model and had a lot of friends. Though I hardly think the semantics surrounding the description of a dead woman's personal life matter.

@sambotros1918

Жыл бұрын

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@margaretr5701

Жыл бұрын

Lived in a wealthy area, not a typical condo for a young woman, parent's well known.

So, what happened, who done it?

@jonmo111

3 жыл бұрын

calvin hoover

@sambotros1918

Жыл бұрын

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@margaretr5701

Жыл бұрын

Listen to latest police statement on this case. 30/11/22

Now dont get me wrong. I'm not a crazy conspiracy theorist. But some years back, before the genealogy DNA tests were marketed I watched a documentary discussing the ease of solving cases when DNA profiles were on file (criminal) & they talked about how easy it would be to solve cases if everyday citizens DNA was on file. They said they just needed to figure out a way to get people to want to hand over their DNA. Not long after 23 and Me & similar at home DNA kits were available. Where you could give your DNA & the company would tell you info about your heritage & background. Dont be fooled into thinking everyones DNA isnt being kept on file.

@iLitAfuseiCantStop

3 жыл бұрын

*Also I just eye ant to add I'm glad this DNA was available, but things shouldn't be done in the dark. People should be aware what they're handing over.

Let's hope the police and law enforcement officers can keep this going

Now on to... Kenora Jane Doe 2009 Scarborough John Doe "Rosco Echo 1986(?) Toronto John Doe " Henry Drendorff" 1978 A possible Canadian John Doe found in Hawaii in 1982(?). Found in a emergency wet-suit ( the kind northern deep-sea fishermen wear) which was sold in 1980-81. He also had a previously amputated arm. Figure he's not listed as missing as he was probably listed as lost-at-sea. Jane Doe found in 200? In Hawaii. Called herself "Pansy" or "Ah". Older lady with dementia. Had a 'Canadian accent.Could she be missing Canadian Jean D'Arc Oulette ? 🤔🇨🇦

And where was the apology to Guy Paul Morin for the Jessop murder. Money isn't an apology. Cops don't care to find the guilty party.....just to find anyone to blame. It's wonderful to find the guilty party but it's even more important to make amends with the falsely imprisoned. And money does not make amends. Imprisoning the people who falsely led to the person being imprisoned would be a better resolution. The guy said the door was ajar. Well he should make up his mind. Was it a door or was it a jar.?

ohhh comments are ok, wow....first world country indeed. Yo! so given the state of the police and military, why DNA testing isn't' done on ex retirees to seeeee ...ya know...how many Sarah Everard are out there waiting for justice

So who dunnit

@kevinhamilton3791

3 жыл бұрын

He dead he died back n 2015

15:40 well at least that was a totally real interaction that wasn't staged at all.

I am GREATFUL that technology can do this. However, when it comes to DNA testing I think that they are looking for alien 👽 DNA.

@sambotros1918

Жыл бұрын

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So nuthin....😪

Did I miss the part where they told who the killer was and his story for doing what he did?

@mikebray48

3 жыл бұрын

They are still working on the genetic genealogy and narrowing down who the killer may be....they still haven't came up with a definitive suspect yet but they are close

@bikinggal1

3 жыл бұрын

they narrowed it down to finding his great grandparents. said it could be a year a day a month till they find him

@miklemikemuster

3 жыл бұрын

I assumed it was the Christine Jessop killer. I'm going to check again.

@jacksmom3612

3 жыл бұрын

@@miklemikemuster I thought maybe it was Calvin Hoover, but I guess his story was used as an example of how genealogy is being used for cold cases or current ones.

@marys3127

3 жыл бұрын

Within 3-6 months, they will have the killer and arrest him.

psyOp...mk ultra🐡💨💨💨💨

Something Buffy st marie, could use. DNA would prove that she is amarican. She is a copie of her mother in the same age.😂

Poor quality doco...difficult to follow...

@JS-ij3er

2 жыл бұрын

It was laughably bad and amateurish

And can convict a family member instead of the person that did the crime by DNA...

@jimmybutler3728

3 жыл бұрын

@@WaningGibbous Close relative that has the same markers OR CLOSE TO THE SAME or a tester that wants to get a conviction, like they found with a FBI I think it was that got caught fudging on testing DNA...

@jimmybutler3728

3 жыл бұрын

@@WaningGibbous And human make errors, that is why true science has to be repeatable with the same out come to be correct......

@jimmybutler3728

3 жыл бұрын

@@WaningGibbous Are you so sure or hope that did, for humans make errors that is why true science has to be proven to come out with same result no matter you does the test ...

@margaretlee-reed814

3 жыл бұрын

The cause is to prevent accusing/arresting/incarcerating any 'bob the builder' or any random 'gang member' absolutely not involved (not there). LE will look at several family members at once that may (or may NOT) be involved. They know they may not find the 'suspect'. But, they know they are getting close. Much closer than a needle in a hay stack. It would be similar to police getting a TIP ... "It's the Smith family" and then the tipster hanging up on police with no other details given. Okay, who in the Smith family? Which generation? Who do they start with? Who had means, motive and opportunity? Who has an alibi that did or did not check out? Is the perp still alive? Is the tip related? Or, coincidence? (Rational reason for DNA being there after speaking with a suspect?) A Scientific Tip. A lead that LE follows. It does not guarantee an arrest even if CORRECT family identified. When used properly. *And, more than likely ALWAYS is BECAUSE without a confession any charges have to be good enough to stand up in court on OTHER evidence & facts besides just the DNA "similarities". For obvious reasons. **In these cases DNA won't be the smoking gun.** It will merely support the theory by LE that is (hopefully) obtained by much facts and other evidence. As in cases where no DNA is found. It's not the cake. Just the cherry on top. Sometimes ... If lucky it can become the cake too. If there's enough DNA left behind (collected) for multiple testings. *If LE narrow down to a specific suspect (relative) and then get that relative's DNA and it's an exact match to their (sample) DNA ... that's their guy. If not ... LE will move on and continue to look at other relatives.

@jimmybutler3728

3 жыл бұрын

@@margaretlee-reed814 keep think they want to close the case any way they can...

Jesus love you, he died on the cross for you, accept him as your lord and savior he can change everything. For God so loved the world that he gave his only son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life" (John 3:16) But you must repent too. From that time Jesus went about preaching and saying, Let your hearts be turned from sin, for the kingdom of heaven is near. (Matthew 4:17):

@sambotros1918

Жыл бұрын

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Whata waste of time...who was the killer....a mystery with no ending ?????? are you you kidding me ....this a half story...there is no final conclusion....do not awste you time watching this.....Really 5thEstate...what a dismal & poor presentation

@dinsel9691

3 жыл бұрын

Shut up.. keep up with the case..

@sambotros1918

Жыл бұрын

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This video is dull, poorly produced and half-assed

I personally think that law enforcement should NOT be allowed to use genetic DNA sites and databases outside their personal database of known offenders for criminal investigations.

@SamStone1964

11 ай бұрын

I personally think law enforcement should have access to all DNA sites including Ancestry.