I live in Scranton, PA & I remember this well. In fact, the Starship was scheduled to play in our area & the concert got cancelled after this happened. Mickey Thomas remarked that they would never, ever play in Scranton again....they never did!

I can only say that personally Mickey Thomas is one of the nicest guys in the music business and one of the best and rarest of vocal talents anywhere! Hearsay is just that...speculation of events. I would take Mickey's side and explanation before hearsay!

@hillbillyviking1437

Жыл бұрын

He’s no Steve Perry but he is awesome.

@quamne

11 ай бұрын

@@hillbillyviking1437he's way better

@Nostaljack

8 ай бұрын

@@hillbillyviking1437 Steve Perry is no Steve Perry anymore. Mickey can still sing the tunes in the same keys. Can't say that about Steve - great though he was.

@deathmetaldouglas69

6 ай бұрын

@@hillbillyviking1437 I heard at one point Mickey Thomas was trying to get with Journey right before or after the second Steve (Augery) lead singer.

Mickey Thomas has a one of a kind voice. Unmistakable. Baldwin is an average drummer at best.

@v.german11b

11 ай бұрын

I concur!

Mickey Thomas entered into Jefferson Starship with drummer Aynsley Dunbar in (1979). By (1982) after Jefferson Starship recorded the album (Winds of Change), Aynsely Dunbar left or was fired by Paul Kantner. Mickey Thomas had called Donny Baldwin from their time spent in Elvin Bishop Group. By (1983) Donny Baldwin was in Jefferson Starship until (1984). Once the album by Jefferson Starship (Nuclear Furniture) was released, there was the split from Paul Kantner's Jefferson Starship to Starship. Of course, the famous fight in (1989), removed him in Starship. Donny Baldwin would go on to play with-- Jerry Garcia Band, .38 Special, Pablo Cruise, Eddie Money, & Paul Rodgers. He would rejoin Jefferson Starship in (2008), after long time drummer--Prairie Prince who was in Jefferson Starship from (1993-2007), who left to play with the (New Cars). Jefferson Starship & Starship share trade secrets and have a lot of common ground in their catalog. One thing is for sure, Mickey Thomas is one hell of a singer. Donny Baldwin has carved out a nice career for himself playing with some iconic bands.

@danuber5559

Жыл бұрын

That's the way Nuclear Furniture is mix beetwen classic rock sound and that psychedelic sound (in some songs) that liked so much to Paul Kantner but has nothing to do wih the direction od the band. That resentful progressist hippieoid doesn't even wanted a successful band, just tour from time to time to pay the dues.

@adamlasko315

Жыл бұрын

@@danuber5559 Paul Kantner was a controlling force in Jefferson Starship. On Nuclear Furniture, he literally took the masters and (held them as hostage) to leverage what he wanted in the final mix. It took months to talk him into bring the master recordings back into the studio. Paul used conflict during his tenure with both Jefferson Airplane and the two different versions of Jefferson Starship. I thought the song, "Laying it on the line" was a great song. While Paul created tensions in the band, the responded with a great material.

@danuber5559

Жыл бұрын

@@adamlasko315 I always suspected something rare but never knew the details. I knew it . The weeded hippie-oid of Kantner wanted to bury the band. Thanks for sharing it

@simplechronology2605

Жыл бұрын

Dunbar was kicked out, probably for the exact same reason he got kicked out of Journey: rampant indiscretions with underage female fans. Kantner never gave the reason publicly (Journey's former manager Herbie Herbert *did*), but Kantner was quoted as saying about Dunbar, "he crossed the line".

@adamlasko315

Жыл бұрын

@@simplechronology2605 I have researched this topic for years and have gone down the rabbit hole for clues. Paul Kantner definitely called the shots and was not shy about sharing his feelings. I preferred Aynsely Dunbar's drumming with Jefferson Starship on his recordings with--Freedom at Point Zero, Modern Times, & Winds of Change over Donny Baldwin's drumming style. There are certain behaviors that were not tolerated. Aynsely Dunbar was being interviewed on a drum podcast and the interviewer asked why did (John Barbata) the predecessor to Aynsely Dumbar in Jefferson Starship leave the band? Aynsley responded, "I cannot answer that question." It was clear Dunbar misunderstood the question, while answering the question honestly about his departure in Jefferson Starship.

A lot of people don't know that the next day, Mickey jumped on a plane and flew across the country to SF with those injuries before he went to the hospital.

80's Music is the best 😊

Mickey doesn't look nor is built like a fighter.

You left out the broken glass he used on him

@jascatt3341

10 ай бұрын

@@Grapetytmonkey-oe7bk For sure!👍

With Paul putting the roots of 'Starship' together with the Blows Against the Empire album/sessions, then having Mickey Thomson try to run the band for him . It must have really riled Paul's blood. I know I didn't like the change. As someone said, Mickey's place was in Vegas lounge.

Buenísimos los doss

Mickey Thomas took the high road and never revealed what happened nor trashed his former band mates. However, if I were to guess I would say that he developed an ego, and Starship progressively became a vanity project for him. It’s been told that he pulled a power play on Grace Slick once and arrived early to the studio to record his vocal track on a song without her. If that’s true, that unfortunate because he destroyed a band. He has an amazing singing voice well suited for AOR.

@danuber5559

Жыл бұрын

He ain't destroyed anything. I'm glad he took over and changed the direction of band. Without him Starship would have been another hippie band.

@Noone9227

Жыл бұрын

@@danuber5559 I disagree. Starship died after that fight, and he reformed it with different band members, who aren’t as good. However, I do agree with you that he initially changed the direction of the band for the better. Although not the biggest sellers, I like their early 80s stuff.

@danuber5559

Жыл бұрын

@@Noone9227 Well that's your opinion. I never liked Jefferson Airplane and their hippie kind of music. Nor even liked Paul Kantner because it was a bad dude for all the damage he did. He tried to bury the name and the band. He never wanted either a high profile band, just to tour from time to time to smoke weed. By other hand Mickey Thomas resurrected the band in 1979 and changed the direction to rock / pop style. In my opinion it was a good change.

@haintedhouse2990

Жыл бұрын

@@danuber5559 couldn't disagree with you more. Jefferson Airplane were at the forefront of the counterculture and the musical explosion coming out of San Francisco. when Mickey Thomas joined Starship they faded into a Journey-Toto-Boston-Styx mess. no wonder Paul Kantner and Grace Slick eventually bailed.

@haintedhouse2990

Жыл бұрын

@carolinewoodward1016 i've just never been a Mickey Thomas fan. technically he's got an amazing voice but I preferred the Marty Balin-Jefferson Starship phase in the 70's -they seemed to carry the Airplane spirit especially with their live shows. in the 80's it seemed more like the Mickey Thomas Show. but to each their own. Peace.

I kinda hate Donny Baldwin for it, their last album was really good in my opinion and they where headed for better times and better albums. But Mickey being in the hospital and Donny being out of the band the album was not getting promoted and missed the mark for RCA and they released the band.

@Nostaljack

8 ай бұрын

They really weren't. Even a top 20 single couldn't sell the record. I agree that Love Among the Cannibals is a great record but it was bombing. It was completely and utterly over. The record peaked at #64 on the charts. RCA likely wouldn't have given them another shot. Further, Mark Morgan wanted to get into scoring. If the assault didn't end the band, these other things would have.

@427SuperSnake1

8 ай бұрын

@@Nostaljack It only peaked at 64 because of the lack of promotion, which is what I was saying. Donny left and Mickey was out due to facial surgery, so they where unable to tour, so RCA ditched them.

I just read about this incident recently and I have no idea what Mickey's surgery involving "cranial facial entry" involves but it sounds really creepy.

Out of the three, Jefferson Airplane...Jefferson Starship...and Starship, Jefferson Starship is the best, especially the Marty Balin era.

I have seen some version of Jefferson Airplane/Starship/KBC Band close to 40 times....This band here unlike what the headline says isnt even close to the original Jefferson Starship line up.....The Original Band had Grace Slick, not Micky Thomas...The drummer was Johnny Barbata , not Donny Baldwin...The original lineup also had Papa John Creech.....I think (not sure) at the time of the original Starship line up both Thomas and Baldwin were in the Elvin Bishop Band ...That or Balwin was playing with a band out of Santa Cruz called Snail....

How can you know each other that long and almost kill Mickey?

I had heard a few years ago from an insider that the fight was over a girl, but a lot of booze and drugs were involved...

I believe it was another case of a jealous drummer who wanted to be a front man. Or maybe Micky knocked him for one of his women?

Donny who? Lol.

I was no fan of Mickey Thomas. I Preferred Marty, Grace , Paul , Jefferson Airplane/ Jefferson Starship. What Donny Baldwin did to Mickey Thomas was just pure Evil. He beat his face in so bad , Mickey had to have a lot of surgery. Basically they had to take his face off and put it back on. Donny should of went to prison.

@WOLFMAN807

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, that was way out of line.

@sketchyold

9 сағат бұрын

Mickey was a great singer whether you like of him or not. It had already become a different band before Mickey joined.

I know several people like that. You make something for yourself and take your useless friends along for a ride and then they become complacent for a while untill they realize they ain't shit and then it's all resentment. Had it happen in the music world and the electrical contracting world. I even had it with women who weren't worth a fuck in the first place and funny enough they're always the stabby ones.

Donnie sounds like a psycho

I’m confused??? Paul Kantner died several years ago…so how could Donnie be a part of anything that he is in?

@PlayThatPodcast

Жыл бұрын

Donny joined Paul Kantner in Jefferson Starship in 2008. Kantner passed away in 2016, so they were bandmates again for about eight years. Donny still plays with Jefferson Starship today.

Don’t get into fight with drummer

@mercedesroxanne-gk8vs

3 ай бұрын

Lol!

Looking at these two pictures, I could only guess that it started out about a girl and then Micky said something about a gay skelton in Donnies closet and the ass kicking was on. Remember, they knew each other a long time meaning they knew secrets about each other.

@shable1436

9 ай бұрын

How do you know that😂

@Gatorman-db3ie

9 ай бұрын

I don't. What else could enrage a guy so much though. Insult his manhood!@@shable1436

The latest Starship with Richardson on vocals blows. and the old woman Freiberg is too funny to look at.

@giotrapani7852

26 күн бұрын

Freiberg is an old dude, can’t hit the notes like he used to be able to.

Alcohol and drugs.

Who the heck does this....just play your drums!

They were lovers.

@daphneduryea9136

8 ай бұрын

Yeah. I'm surprised nobody else has guessed that. Couldn't be more obvious. Donny probably walked in on Mickey cheating on him.

@dbrinkm1

3 ай бұрын

you may have guessed it !...this would cause a monumental explosion....indeed !

@dbrinkm1

3 ай бұрын

was this a gay lovers spat ?....just an open question...it would take a very substantial reason to bring on a vicious assault with the perpetrator never being arrested !!...this makes no since otherwise... even given drugs and alcohol !

Did Starship actually accomplish anything after Grace Slick left in '88?

@PlayThatPodcast

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, I think their 1989 album "Love Among the Cannibals" has some good tracks. Check out "The Burn" and "It's Not Enough". If you like '80s pop-rock, you might like it!

@dancahill9585

Жыл бұрын

@@PlayThatPodcast I was listening to music and the radio back then, and I swear I didn't hear anything about that album. Then again, in my opinion it was all downhill after Freedom at Point Zero.

@ChromeDestiny

Жыл бұрын

A few songs that were minor hits in the late 80's and very early 90's but were very quickly overshadowed by developments in the 90's music world.

@Progrocker70

Жыл бұрын

I remember when Love Among the Cannibals was released in '89. I can't say I remember much if any promotion for it. The single It's Not Enough got a little promotion as I remember but it was short lived. The single, album and the band seemingly vanished quickly after that. I believe even if Cannibals was successful it probably would've been their last album anyway. The 80's was ending and the coming of grunge would've squashed any further releases.

@smitchix1

9 ай бұрын

@@PlayThatPodcast Both are phenomenal songs. "It's Not Enough" went to #23 on the Billboard charts, which was Starship's last foray into the Top 40. Great ballad and tremendous vocal performance by Mickey.

was this a gay lovers spat ?....just an open question...it would take a very substantial reason to bring on a vicious assault with the perpetrator never being arrested !!...this makes no since otherwise... even given drugs and alcohol !

Mickey Thomas's true calling should have been alounge singer in Vegas.

@BeatlesFan1975

6 ай бұрын

How you figure?

@mercedesroxanne-gk8vs

3 ай бұрын

Mickey Thomas has a powerful voice. Wth are you talking about??