Download the Betas of Doom1 and Doom2 here! doomshack.org/~doomkid/doombeta.zip Using DosBox, run PLAY.BAT in the D2BETA folder.

@AndroidFerret

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot for your amazing videos ... Channels like yours where one of the reasons I created my own channel ...

@stephensalex

3 жыл бұрын

Hey, I don't mean to sound annoying but could you please tell me which WAD contains the original "raw"-looking Revenant sprites please?

@DoomKid

3 жыл бұрын

@@stephensalex Unfortunately, all that remains of those older revenant sprites is that lone screenshot

@stephensalex

3 жыл бұрын

@Doomkid Oh man that’s too bad. I think they look great.

i love it that this dude’s channel is authentically edited to feel retro like 2008 style

@lambda-m1676

2 жыл бұрын

even the damn camera quality

@digital_underground

10 ай бұрын

Dang. I guess 2008 is already a long time ago now.

@dickheadrecs

10 ай бұрын

@@digital_underground not in our hearts ❤️

@SASTSimon

9 ай бұрын

@@digital_undergroundi wasnt even alive back then

@GEMSofGOD_com

29 күн бұрын

Bro I had a so much better Powershot in 2006, no. This is more like a camcorder, yup, straight from the 90s.

so... Hagrid son is a doom fan? i love it.

@timgoldberg3333

3 жыл бұрын

You're a badass, Doomguy.

@HardwareFahrrad

3 жыл бұрын

@@timgoldberg3333 *Doomkid

@Nikku4211

3 жыл бұрын

When Hagrid be dropping babies in the Americas.

Can’t believe this was all done so well in only 10 months

@0neDoomedSpaceMarine

3 жыл бұрын

They were a group of ridiculously pro guys (yet also completely unprofessional in many formal ways), a ragtag bunch of misfits with all kinds of things in common, yet all kinds of differences, who all had incredible talent and drive. If you look at Quake, its development was a mess, where prolonged delays and stagnation ended with crazed rushing and turning the project on its head. It was originally going to be an medieval fantasy open world RPG, but the closer deadline got with increasingly little work to show for it, they decided late on *"Fuck it, let's just take the assets we have and retool it into a shooter kinda like Doom."* and that's what they did, with a fair amount of bitterness and strife to go along with it. That is a horrible environment for a game to develop, yet still they knock it out of the park, Quake came out as a fantastic game that's still remembered fondly and played to this day.

@ethanbosch3227

3 жыл бұрын

Games were also a lot easier to make back then, all 32 maps of the plutonia experiment were created by just two people

@Fuchsia_tude

3 жыл бұрын

@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine To be fair, Doom was also going to be an open-world futuristic demon-killing space RPG with marine NPCs and realistic military base maps, but they decided late in the game "Fuck it, let's just take the assets we have and retool it into a shooter kinda like Wolfenstein 3D." and that's what they did, with a fair amount of bitterness and strife to go along with it. They forced out Tom Hall over creative differences, as they threw out nearly all of his design work in the process, then hired Sandy Petersen to fill in the maps for the rest of the episodes; and then they did pretty much exactly the same thing to Romero three years later during Quake.

@redavatar

3 жыл бұрын

@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine Quake was nowhere near as good as Doom 2 though. It relied so heavily on the "OMG 3D!" effect but the 3D just hampered the game - less enemies on screen, enemies were less inventive, brown everywhere, etc. I recall going nuts on the map editor only to discover how severely limited the engine was - the second you added a bit of detail, it would make your PC slow down massively and this was on a P166MMX which was way more powerful than the game needed and don't get me started at how long it took to calculate the lights. I actually went back to the Build editor instead and made maps for Duke 3D.

@Azuris190

3 жыл бұрын

@@ethanbosch3227 Games were harder to make back than, you had to develope everything from Ground on. Doom 2 and also Plutonia are more like a stand alone Expansion Pack for Doom 1, they tweaked the Engine a bit but had to focuse almost only on making Maps and new Enemies. But going from Catacomb to Wolfenstein 3d to Doom was a very different Thing.

12:07 funny that you mention those bars being there in doom2 1.666 cause i do remember them when i was much younger playing the old version straight off the disc

@KamiJoJo

3 жыл бұрын

Same here :D

@TheTISEOMan

3 жыл бұрын

The bars are missing because players were not realizing you could use them. They kept trying to find a switch that didn't exist. So ID just removed them from later builds.

@Fuchsia_tude

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheTISEOMan ...huh. I wonder how many playthroughs were stopped at the beginning of Map 02

@meanmole3212

3 жыл бұрын

​@@TheTISEOMan So does that mean I used to be a smart kid? My parents must have been super proud of me.

@sirrh9812

3 жыл бұрын

Haha i remember getting stuck on map 02 for ages because of those fucking bars lol no one playing the first time would assume that you can open them

Having "Finding the Secrets" instead of "Into Sandy's City" really makes that map feel different! I also love seeing all the different texturing on these maps. Instead of techbase/ star port, it feels more like E2 or E3 style. More like demonic bases rather than human ones for the most part. I love all of this niche development stuff! Keep up the great work, sir! :)

I have seen many videos on Doom 1's early development. But almost never any Doom 2 stuff, very informative video.

GREAT VIDEO!!! I remember seeing these in my childhood, my dad had illegal bootlegs in 94, but we deleted them once he got the full game. IIRC, there were some VERY INTERESTING exit screens from bootleggers when you'd exit to DOS...

@lucaspuscasu

2 жыл бұрын

Like what? Now i'm curious

@NoName......

2 жыл бұрын

You can't just leave us without telling what the exit screens were!

@piegames-em2sv

Жыл бұрын

@@NoName...... I'm guessing porn

@Wobbothe3rd

5 ай бұрын

If you want to get an idea of what I'm talking about look into the warez scene in the DOS-era early 90s. From what I could remember there would be trash talking id software itself, trolling the user that they were going to hell (lol), "digital grafitti" of the BBS style. You kinda hard to be there... I was only about 9 years old at the time but I vividly remember realizing that that there was a whole hacker underworld on PCs, at the time I barely knew what the internet even was.

22:54 The crushing in the pre-release map requires walking into the crusher as you would to stop it in the release map.

Glad to see an early version of doom 2 thanks. Decino would love watching this

Funny how the Lost Souls were buggy in this version and when you said "they never fixed these guys" made me think of how they're buggy in Doom Eternal.

I do love that the Super Shotgun is an oldschool coach gun, and that Adrian fully animated a reload sequence for it and all. There is definitely something cool about a double-barreled pump-action shotgun, however, which there actually exist some of in real life, and not all just as funny one-off builds by bored gunsmiths and tinkerers.

The Mancubus using the Baron's sight sound over and over is quite amusing. Great video here, I kind of like some of the visuals done with MAP02: Underhalls but I guess they thought it looked too busy. And that scrapped version Dead Simple just shows that no one was immune to making a 1994 WAD during the time (Those kind of WADs of course)!

Awesome video, this is the Doom content that I crave. I love this niche/obscure stuff and you did a great job exploring it. It's so interesting to see the original/older texturing, map01 definitely looks cooler with blue room and the outdoor area IMO. Map02 and map03 too tbh.

According to Doom Wiki; "MAP10: Refueling Base is perhaps the oldest map that was nominated for use in DOOM II; it originally appeared in Doom v0.5, an early Alpha version of Doom, released in May 1993."

The mancubi screaming like a baron is hilarious

2:45 The mancubi used to fire completely different, green projectiles? I wonder if this contributed to the inspiration for the cyber mancubus later down the line? 18:33 "So, people sometimes complain that, I think by Map 08 or Map 09 you-" **gets drowned out by plasma gun** 21:33 And they remain buggy to this day, getting eternally caught on the air in Doom Eternal.

@timyo6288

6 ай бұрын

i wonder if your mom gay?

@crowbargaming9118

2 ай бұрын

@@timyo6288Timmy it’s your bed time

Great video. It was fascinating to see how they developed both the monsters through the different version as well as the map changes. As a newbie mapmaker I don't feel so insecure now about some rooms being garbage and reworking them or scrapping them completely. Glad they made the earlier levels easier too!

I dare say that the textures from Doom 1 look better with the Doom 2 invironments? It's not perfect but it sure gives a better impression at times.

@DoomKid

3 жыл бұрын

I agree entirely

@user-qe7bt9dz1l

3 жыл бұрын

I always thought they looked the same.. there’s a difference??

@godfist314

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-qe7bt9dz1l There are wall textures that are in Doom that don't exist in the doom2 Wad. Why they took them out I'm not sure. One that I do remember not appearing in Doom 2 was a wall texture that had brown skulls with a bit of blood between them I think? Also Plutonia has a few texutres that Doom 2 doesnt have! I like that they're all a bit different :)

Oh hey! I discovered you through your little friendly debunking of the "Doom isn't 3D video" (Also RIP Ronnie) Nice to see Doom II's possible "press release version" if it ever had one like Doom. The asshole Mario 2 difficulty vibes and Temple aesthetic of Gantlet are my favorite parts of this version showcase.

tbh, i haven’t played doom yet and don’t know much about it, but i still love watching your videos because i can learn more about the game itself, which not only lets me improve my own games with new techniques, but it also shows me how ID’s programmers were geniuses.

That old super shotgun reminds me of the Scout's Scattergun from Team Fortress 2! Really like how it's pump-action too.

I actually prefer map 03 as a temple, as well as having Toxin Refinery's midi. This was very cool, awesome work Doomkid!

i love seeing the history of doom and how it slowly developed into the game we all love today. i really enjoyed the video!

@DoomKid

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Very interesting, even the early version looks like solid fun! Thanks for making a video about this one!

Wow I was like « yeah might be interesting » seeing the title and there I am 30 minutes later having the impression it was 5 minutes ago when I first saw ur video pop up. I guess once you start watching, you’re hooked. +1 sub great video man !

@DoomKid

3 жыл бұрын

late reply, but thank you!

Thoroughly enjoyed watching this blast from the past - I'm 50 soon BUT still Love DOOM! ;o)

@Fazerjon

3 жыл бұрын

.....also just noticed the SLAYER -Reign in Blood poster on the wall behind you too! TOP MAN - my favourite/best thrash album of all time! JT

Love your super in-depth vids. They're laid back, and extremely detailed. Keep it up! :)

@DoomKid

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

WOAO BETA MAPS Nice video btw.

I really enjoy videos like this. You did a great job, man.

Fascinating. They really improved Dead Simple before release.

These are really impressive findings! I remember hearing about some beta doom 2 stuff but never to this extent :o

it is amazing how quickly game development goes by and how many changes can be made in such a short amount of time

Nice video. In map03 you can in fact jump down the well without strafe running, you just have to pick a good line, but it took me years likewise to discover.

Damn, thought decino would do something like this, but now I see why he didnt. Very legit vid. Gotcha a new sub.

@DoomKid

3 жыл бұрын

Cheers!

I've seen your posts on Doomworld for years but I did not know you make such fantastic videos. Great video. Subbed.

@DoomKid

Жыл бұрын

Thanks a bunch!

The rocket sprite being used for the Revenants just looks SO MUCH BETTER for some reason. They really should've just kept it at that honestly. I mean it doesn't make much of a difference now but y'know.

Thanks for the video, I really enjoyed watching the beta maps. I like your commentary and gameplay. Cheers mate

It's amazing how was the game in the beta, and watching your video makes me want to play it. You've just won a subscriber Doomkid

The reason the rev at 5:44 jumps when shooting could be that in the code the Rev actually moves up when shooting to have the rockets spawn higher. Also as seen in preview screenshots the old Rev sprites did have a different dead body sprite

@DoomKid

Жыл бұрын

You're right about why they jump! It was a weird lazy workaround to get the rocket to spawn higher. Oddly, they still jump technically speaking in the final game - but it's for 0 tics, so we can't actually "see" it. Very weird!

Awesome job, thank you!

Speaking of the "well". Even though I knew about IDCLIP and had cheated into it pretty early on, I remember using DCK to look at the level, trying to figure out where the switch or teleporter was to get into it. It wasn't until then that I figured out that there was no switch and that you had to somehow run into it. Took me forever to figure out to strafe-run to do it. I miss those days.

@russellbelew2604

3 жыл бұрын

It's so interesting people saying you need to strafe run to me. I remember figuring out to just sprint using the raises bridge that leads to the teleporter. If you just sprint you'll make it to the well without needing to strafe run.

@DJL3G3ND

3 жыл бұрын

@@russellbelew2604 yeah lol, I keep wondering why people say that because Ive always just used that bridge for the run up. I dont think I even really heard of straferunning until watching this

Another great video. I'm Korozive on DooMWorlD forums and a huge fan. :o

Just stumbled on this. Great content. Very informative

@DoomKid

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Great video man! Love DOOM, just beat the DLC for Eternal today too!

@DoomKid

3 жыл бұрын

Well done!

I can't take mancubi with baron sounds seriously XD Good video

looking into prerelease builds or assets of games always turns out super interesting to me. this and left 4 dead 2 are probably my favorite examples of beta stuff

I didn't strafe run that well secret on map 2 back in the day (I didn't know that strafe running made you run faster at the time) - I just used that elevated platform that leads you to the teleporter as a run-up and just run straight across those stairs right into the well. Cool to see this early version, thanks for the upload!

Lol video looks like filmed in 2010 (which isn't a bad thing). Nevertheless, great video!!

@Azuris190

3 жыл бұрын

Haha indeed, but thats why i like it :D It has a Soul!

I love these little dives into game development. Delving into the Doom Alphas back in the day made me appreciate Doom so much more, but also understand it better. What went in to it and how it worked. lovely trickle of excitement along the spine.

10:56 the way he drinks water in sync with the music LOL

the super shotgun is very strange xD awesome video doomkid!

Fascinating! Thank you

Just watched this again, it'd be neat if you showcased the rest of the levels some day, I know some of them are pretty different, the level which became Map 28 would REALLY change. The Revenant making a little hop when launching his rocket is probably based in how Romero has said that he wanted to add a monster like the Revenant because he thought it would be really funny, and that feature of them was either temporary or something he was voted down on.

@DoomKid

3 жыл бұрын

Good idea, I may do a complete playthrough soon!

@alfo2804

Жыл бұрын

Actually, the revenant hop is still in the final game. It's a dirty trick to get the missiles to fire from the cannons' positions. Normally Doom can only fire a projectile from the centre of the enemy's body, so during the revenant's attack logic, it gets boosted into the air so that the centre position matches the height of the cannons. The only difference is that the final game instantly resets the position back to what it was, whereas in the beta, the position never gets reset.

thanks for the video doomkid

@DoomKid

3 жыл бұрын

No problem!

Straight to Ultra-Violence. My man.

Great trip down memory lane there mate.

It is sooooo refreshing to see someone making a video about DooM..... THAT ACTUALLY KNOWS SOMETHING ABOUT DOOM!!!

Awesome video

I had a stroke watching the Super Shotgun reloading in 1.5

@DoomKid

5 ай бұрын

lmfao

This was very interesting to see

Great research!

hell yeah, dude

You weren't supposed to strafe run to get to that secret on map 3. You would go up on that narrow bridge to the teleporter that rises up, and use it to build up speed and jump directly into the well - no strafe running required.

Fun fact: the pebble texture in that beta map01 is still there, just out of bounds. Found out about it when making a silly doom wad called ikea doom

Jesus man, the Beta Levels are SO MUCH BETTER. The original almost feels like such a terrible, watered down version of the game. Much more fun that way. Thanks for including the download man, you really made my day.

@DoomKid

Жыл бұрын

I’m glad you like them, and I agree that they’re definitely better overall

@HardwareFahrrad

Жыл бұрын

@@DoomKid Oh yeah

First time to this channel, and if this guy doesn't look like a typical "doom kid" then shave my legs and call me grampa... Great content, bro.

9:10 wait that blue in the beginning of e1m1 is supposed to be a carpet?? I always thought it was some kind of water spill or some shit.

14:40 I was just about to comment that line and literally laughed my ass out when I heard that

The arachnotrons seems pretty redundant when there is already a chaingun enemy. The beta also seems far less balanced, and more like an early Doom 2 wad with the less thought out enemy placement. Having Arachnotrons, Archviles, Mancubus, and Barons show up on map 2 just out there seems so unspecial. This feels less like an early version of Doom 2 and more like a demo showing off all of the monsters, since by level 2 you've seen most of the new monsters.

Some points: 1: IDK why but I feel like the wood room at the start of Entryway is supposed to be one of the big bathrooms you get at sport venures (probably the weird grey things look like rough representations of sinks). 2: I like the more temple-y Gantlet. Makes me think about how texturing was more of a second thought in development and levels just had whatever the designer felt like, in contrast to today where good texturing is integral. 2a: Now that I think about it, you could change the feel of several maps just by changing the textures (Mt. Erebus as a more conventional City, The Inmost Dens with Green Marble instead of Brown Bricks, Bloodfalls sticking to one theme, etc.) 3. I think the reason Revs jump when firing rockets is so they come out at the right vertical placement. They still do this in the final, and they're shorter than their sprite would lead you to believe so they have room to jump.

As a modder and tinkerer, that big pack of Doom developmental content which Romero released has been just an absolute goldmine. Often when I get an idea to do something, I still hop into those folders and dig through them, to see if there's something in there I can use.

At 5:38 , it looks like the pain elemental's death animation is different. In the final game, you can see the eyes/faces of the last souls he emits upon death, but it looks like they just referenced a regular explosion graphic for this. It seems at this point they weren't considering him spawning lost souls yet.

The way you are recording like your in 2009 feels so nostlaguc

tbh I had no idea Doom 2 prototypes were available online, curious to see how the rest of the maps differ from the final versions. Map 10 especially, since that was a scrapped Doom 1 map ;o

@DoomKid

4 жыл бұрын

Oddly map10 seems to be the only map that crashes in vanilla!

@0neDoomedSpaceMarine

3 жыл бұрын

@@DoomKid Can it be opened in any editor?

Sick posters 🤟

@DoomKid

3 жыл бұрын

🤟

So with the original SSG i actually think it fits more as a “super shotgun” than just a normal double barrel

True doom history! I still keep my old HP from 1994, fully upgraded to 32MB of RAM, DX4 100Mhz CPU, and two 500MB hard drives. I really enjoy playing games the same way I did when I was a kid.

Going deep into the beta! Looking back at this more obscure versions of Doom really tingles my curiosity. Nice video, as always. Have you ever thought about making a video about some ''lost levels'' ? I can think of one; Waters of Lethe by Dr. Sleep but sadly was never finished or released. And of course the infamous Eric Harris levels. But would be really nice to know if there are any other ''lost'' WADs out there.

@DoomKid

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely a good potential idea for a video there, Endless

thanks a lot G

Wow this is what Doomkid looks like? Coolio

The caution signs in Map02 look a lot like signs from keen5

Strange take on some of the texturing and monster placement early on. Demons on MAP01? Chaingunner and Revenant on MAP02? Arachnotron and Arch-vile on MAP03?

@DoomKid

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the balance was all over the place originally. I think they were going for the "For Super Players" angle, like the Japanese Mario 2, but then they made it just slightly harder than Doom1 in the end and saved the extra challenge for Final Doom. (that's my theory anyway!)

Yo little help? I'm not keen on this whole wad and SLADE business stuff. How do I fix the Arachnotron to not crash my game with its' missing frames? Thanks.

Freedoom alphas: *sweating*

I think they knew about the difficulty that they were putting into the first map. If you'd remember, the first levels in DOOM also ran on a progression. E1M1 was miles easier than E3M8. It didn't hesitate to throw a bunch of cacodemons at you while you haven't even gotten a shotgun. So I'm pretty sure that within that same sense of progression, they thought that DOOM II would be most likely played by the people who have finished DOOM's episodes already. This'll also more or less justify the presence of strong weapons so early on in the game. First map hands you a rocket launcher, the second super shotgun, etc.

I personally like the old SSG sprite

The press version of first doom were amazing, i would liked be final version (but final version isn't bad)

Someone did make a Chaingunner variant of the Arachnotron for ZDoom, I believe you can find it on Realm667 still. Also, the beta version of Dead Simple is so worthless, lol, it's good that they scrapped it and made a new one.

John Romero is really cool to his fans. I emailed him through the address given in Sigil to let him know that I love Sigil and I hope he makes more stuff for DOOM, and he emailed me back. I didn't expect him to email me back seeing as how he made some of the best games ever made. That blew my mind. So him talking to that DOOM God guy doesn't surprise me at all. They probably played against eachother.

@DoomKid

5 ай бұрын

Romero is a legend, great comment - thank you!

@digital_underground

5 ай бұрын

@@DoomKid I talked to him a little on twitch while he was making SIGIL II. I think he told me he charges to play anyone online in DOOM.If I remember right, then it didnt sound like it cost too much money.

Ah yes, Doom Jesus

Love the channel. Just a suggestion, i'd love a video on the rich history of Doom modding and the early distribution of WADs. Like Aleins TC, how the fuck did Justin Fischer make that? What tools were available? Who made the first custom WAD? How did you even download/distribute them?

@DoomKid

4 жыл бұрын

This is a fantastic idea for a video.. Definitely going to work on that at some point soon.

@daviddeltoro1808

4 жыл бұрын

@@DoomKid Sweet dude, I'd love to see what you can do.

16:33 Would it be possible to mod the game in such a way as to designate a monster spawn point, and tell the game to spawn a random monster there, based on a pre-drawn pick list (i.e. so a spawn point could create a mini-mastermind, arachnotron, imp, etc.)?

@DoomKid

3 жыл бұрын

Using Decorate, that would definitely be possible!

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if enemies were brought forwards somewhat to test how they function. Many of the DOOM 1 enemies might brought forwards to make sure that they hadn't broken code relating to that, then the new enemies could've been brought in more piecemeal to both ensure that they work, and to see if they balance well within the early-game. That could explain why Catacombs had fewer enemies; that was the level's intended difficulty, and the team could balance an easier level more effectively in that environment. Arachnotrons/Mini-Masterminds seem way too similar to Chaingunners in this version. I can see why they changed them to plasma guns in the final game.

MAP06: does the red door have the famous bug? MAP07: are tags 666 and 667 implemented in this version?

@DoomKid

3 жыл бұрын

The special tags for map07 weren’t in the engine yet, not sure about the 06 bug though

6.66k subs!

That's all very interesting :) But, the part of the screen with your head is way too big, it's interfering with what we're watching :) Thanks for the insight of doom's developpment !

Nowni know why it's called the super shotguns

I know this is a really old video but i had to comment. Ive continually heard that you had to straife run to get into the well secret but back in the day i had the 1.666 version and it took a little time for me to figure it out, but after you raise the bridge to the teleporter out of the area you can just turn around and do normal run down the bridge and get over the gap and down into the well. I always thought that was the intended way seeing as how i never even knew about straife running till at least the early 2000s. Just felt like putting that out there 😀

@insaneprophet8664

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry, i just read through and multiple others have already said the same thing, its just always kinda drove me nuts every time i heard about straife running in there. Of everyone i even knew who played back in the 90s none og us had heard of strife running till much later.

@DoomKid

2 жыл бұрын

@@insaneprophet8664 I never knew what it was called, I always called it simply "running diagonally" back in the day, but I could tell it made you a bit faster. It wasn't until years later I noticed the (obviously intended) path of running straight on from the bridge that raises up!

Doom 2 with ultimate doom's textures looks way better, i love it